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Anti Federalist
11-21-2010, 06:23 PM
Civil Disobedience FTW!!!

TSA airport screeners gone wild in San Diego- again

November 20th, 2010 6:19 pm PT.Do you like this story?

http://www.examiner.com/county-political-buzz-in-san-diego/tsa-airport-screeners-gone-wild-san-diego-again

In what can only be described as TSA handlers gone wild, the San Diego Harbor Police arrested an area resident for refusal to complete the screening/security process yesterday. This is the same airport that created the TSA security catch phrase “don’t touch my junk.” John Tyner of San Diego started the airport screening firestorm last week as Americans head into the busiest travel week of the year in the United States.

This time the defendant, Sam Wolanyk says he was asked to pass through the 3-D x-ray machine. When Wolanyk refused, Transportation Security Administration (TSA) personnel told him he would have to be patted down before he could pass through and board his airplane.

Wolanyk said he knew what was coming and took off his pants and shirt, leaving him in Calvin Klein bike undergarments.

“It was obvious that my underwear left nothing to the imagination,” he explained. “But that wasn’t enough for the TSA supervisor who was called to the scene and asked me to put my clothes on so I could be properly patted down.”

It was clear to Wolanyk that TSA only wanted him to submit to a pat-down and if they were interested in ensuring the safety of all passengers they would have rifled through his clothes, carryon baggage and acknowledged that he was not carrying any illegal paraphernalia on his person.

Once Harbor Police arrested Wolanyk, he was handcuffed and paraded through two separate airport terminals in his underwear to the Harbor Police office located inside a different terminal at the airport than Wolanyk had originally gone through during his TSA security process.

The incident was confirmed by Harbor Police Sergeant Rakos who said Wolanyk was arrested on two misdemeanors, “failing to complete the security process; violation code 7.01 and illegally recording the San Diego Airport Authority (they confiscated his iPhone); violation number 7.14 (a).”

Another confirmation came from Ronald Powell, director of communications, who said Wolanyk wasn’t charged with any federal crimes, just the two misdemeanors. “The bottom line is that all our police officers did was enforce the law.”

Powell also stated that there was another arrest of a woman who was allegedly illegally filming the x-ray, and TSA screening process with a video camera. The young woman’s camera was confiscated and she was given a citation and released from Harbor Police custody.

TSA headquarters has told would-be airline travelers who enter an airport checkpoint process and refuse to undergo the method of inspection designated by TSA they will not be allowed to fly and can face possible charges for disrupting the airport security process.

Wolanyk will appear in court on January 7, 2011 to dispute the charges with Jason Davis of Davis and Associates of Orange County by his side.

Anti Federalist
11-21-2010, 06:25 PM
Why is the state allowed to film us, xray us, grope us, see our naked bodies, record our every move, but we can't photograph them?

Anti Federalist
11-21-2010, 06:30 PM
Shit, give me 100,000 men like this, and it would be all over in a week.



SAN DIEGO PAYS $35,000, AGREES TO FINDING OF FACTUAL INNOCENCE FOR IMPROPER “UNLOADED OPEN CARRY” ARREST

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=347348

San Carlos CA (September 29, 2010) - The City of San Diego will pay $35,000 to gun rights activist Samuel Wolanyk for his improper arrest. The San Diego Police Department also granted Mr. Wolanyk’s petition for a Finding of Factual Innocence, admitting no reasonable cause for his arrest existed.

The lawsuit – financially supported by The Calguns Foundation, Inc., and brought by attorney Jason Davis of Davis & Associates – sought to ensure San Diego properly trains its officers to deal with law-abiding gun owners.

“We do not encourage Unloaded Open Carrying of firearms in urban areas at this time,” said Gene Hoffman, Chairman of The Calguns Foundation. “But we believe the civil rights of gun owners must be defended to the utmost.”

Nearly two years ago, “open carry” activist Wolanyk wound up looking down the barrels of two police handguns when San Diego Police officers Jody Kinsley and Troy White responded to a call of a man wearing a kilt, with a holstered gun, in San Diego’s Mission Beach area. The officers immediately exited their vehicles on arrival at the location, drew their firearms, and ordered Mr. Wolanyk to the ground.

The officers quickly determined the firearm was unloaded, had no magazine in it, with no round in the chamber, and was thus in full compliance with California law. The firearm was unloaded even though Mr. Wolanyk did separately possess loaded magazines carried in an additional pouch attached to his belt (a completely lawful activity).

Until that day, these officers had never heard of the burgeoning Unloaded Open Carry movement, in which persons entitled to possess firearms exercise their right to lawfully carry unloaded, holstered handguns (though some onerous geographic limitations do apply). One other key legal restriction on open carry in California law also exists: people must give up their Fourth Amendment rights and submit to law enforcement examination of the firearm to determine if it’s loaded. In Wolanyk’s case, however, the officers weren’t performing a loaded firearm examination; in the officers’ minds, they were responding to a “man with a gun” call and acting accordingly.

After San Diego Police Sergeant David Kries arrived at the scene, Mr. Wolanyk had hoped the officers’ errors would be competently rectified and he would then be free to go. But Sgt. Kries showed he too didn’t understand California’s complex gun laws, and arrested Mr. Wolanyk for carrying a “loaded” firearm – in direct conflict with both prior case law (People v. Clark) and common sense, which requires ammunition to be in a position from which it can be fired in order for a firearm to be considered loaded. Mr. Wolanyk was taken to San Diego Police headquarters, where it was determined that he violated no law. Two hours later, Wolanyk was back at Mission Beach with Officer Kinsley handing him back his firearm and ammunition. Neither an apology nor an explanation of why the Department hadn’t properly trained their officers was provided.

“If they’d just apologized and said that they would look into training their officers on how to deal with law-abiding gun owners, I would not have felt compelled to file my lawsuit,” said Mr. Wolanyk. “It’s really about public safety for everyone, including those lawfully carrying firearms.”

Now, not only has San Diego paid Mr. Wolanyk for their actions, but they have since supplemented their training as well.

The rise of the Unloaded Open Carry movement in San Diego and Wolanyk’s arrest caught the attention of California Assemblywoman Lori Saldaña, whose proposed “fix” to police training deficiencies was instead to draft a bill taking away the ability to “UOC”. Saldaña’s proposed “Open Carry” ban failed passage this legislative term, but is nearly certain to reemerge this next term.

As long as Unloaded Open Carry activities are lawful, San Diego Police Officers and other law enforcement agencies will have to respect the civil rights of these law-abiding citizens.

Brian4Liberty
11-21-2010, 06:30 PM
This is a complete outrage (TSA). We need to really blitz our lawmakers about Ron Paul's Bill on this issue.

tremendoustie
11-21-2010, 06:31 PM
Why is the state allowed to film us, xray us, grope us, see our naked bodies, record our every move, but we can't photograph them?

The laws don't apply to them, didn't you know? In fact, this whole government is based on behaving in ways that would be considered criminal for anyone else.

Anti Federalist
11-21-2010, 06:34 PM
The laws don't apply to them, didn't you know? In fact, this whole government is based on behaving in ways that would be considered criminal for anyone else.

FUCK!!!!!!

Don't remind me, I'll blow a head gasket.

That question was completely rhetorical, I know exactly what government's position is, in regard to us.

Now, silence, Mundane! :mad:

;)

Fredom101
11-21-2010, 07:29 PM
I know Sam. He's pretty much a badass. We have a lot of liberty lovers in San Diego, fortunately. :) I still don't understand why he was arrested?

Anti Federalist
11-21-2010, 07:31 PM
I know Sam. He's pretty much a badass. We have a lot of liberty lovers in San Diego, fortunately. :) I still don't understand why he was arrested?

Once you start down the cattle chute towards the TSA de-flowering, you cannot turn back.

It's rip, shit or bust from that point on.

aGameOfThrones
11-21-2010, 07:43 PM
I know Sam. He's pretty much a badass. We have a lot of liberty lovers in San Diego, fortunately. :) I still don't understand why he was arrested?


He needed to put his clothes back on so they could pat him down, it was unacceptable to pat him down with just Calvin Klein on.


“It was obvious that my underwear left nothing to the imagination,” he explained. “But that wasn’t enough for the TSA supervisor who was called to the scene and asked me to put my clothes on so I could be properly patted down.”

But it wasn't unacceptable to be paraded in his Calvin Klein underwear through 2 terminals.



Once Harbor Police arrested Wolanyk, he was handcuffed and paraded through two separate airport terminals in his underwear to the Harbor Police office located inside a different terminal at the airport than Wolanyk had originally gone through during his TSA security process.


Hence why he was charged for the TSA failing to complete a pat-down in his Calvin Klein. Oh yeah, it seems they can video tape you, but you can't do that to them, funny, huh?


The incident was confirmed by Harbor Police Sergeant Rakos who said Wolanyk was arrested on two misdemeanors, “failing to complete the security process; violation code 7.01 and illegally recording the San Diego Airport Authority (they confiscated his iPhone); violation number 7.14 (a).”

CCTelander
11-21-2010, 08:14 PM
Why is the state allowed to film us, xray us, grope us, see our naked bodies, record our every move, but we can't photograph them?


You're treading dangerous ground here Mundane. Best you get back to your "Jersey Shore" viewing and forget all about such insurrectionist questions.

Anti Federalist
11-21-2010, 08:17 PM
You're treading dangerous ground here Mundane. Best you get back to your "Jersey Shore" viewing and forget all about such insurrectionist questions.

Thank you Comrade, for publicly denouncing my thoughtcrime!

Doubleplusungood of me!

I'm off to Miniluv to turn myself in!

Anti Federalist
11-21-2010, 08:20 PM
You're treading dangerous ground here Mundane. Best you get back to your "Jersey Shore" viewing and forget all about such insurrectionist questions.

From your sig line:

"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are." — Benjamin Franklin

No fucking shit!!!

low preference guy
11-21-2010, 08:20 PM
From your sig line:

"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are." — Benjamin Franklin

No fucking shit!!!

but this time everyone is affected

Anti Federalist
11-21-2010, 08:22 PM
but this time everyone is affected

"Doesn't bother me, I don't fly" - Boobus Americanus

CCTelander
11-21-2010, 08:25 PM
Thank you Comrade, for publicly denouncing my thoughtcrime!

Doubleplusungood of me!

I'm off to Miniluv to turn myself in!


Americans, and even most within the "liberty movement," increasingly remind me of the good citizens from the 2 warring planets in the original Star Trek series episode "A Taste of Armageddon" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon).

All it would take to end this shit post haste is for even a significant minority to just stand up and say "NO MORE!"

Instead, most meekly march off to the disintegration chambers.

CCTelander
11-21-2010, 08:29 PM
From your sig line:

"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are." — Benjamin Franklin

No fucking shit!!!


Or, at least, those who actually ARE outraged get off their complacent asses and actually DO something about injustice.

Anti Federalist
11-21-2010, 08:33 PM
Americans, and even most within the "liberty movement," increasingly remind me of the good citizens from the 2 warring planets in the original Star Trek series episode "A Taste of Armageddon" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon).

All it would take to end this shit post haste is for even a significant minority to just stand up and say "NO MORE!"

Instead, most meekly march off to the disintegration chambers.

Yes, a very apt, sad and frightening analogy.

I'd often thought of that episode in the same way, or the people marching off to the clean, comfortable, with beautiful scenes of nature being played on wide screens all around them, suicide chambers in Soylent Green.

YouTube - soylent green - the scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edQNjJZFdLU)

Anti Federalist
11-21-2010, 09:08 PM
Americans, and even most within the "liberty movement," increasingly remind me of the good citizens from the 2 warring planets in the original Star Trek series episode "A Taste of Armageddon" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon).

All it would take to end this shit post haste is for even a significant minority to just stand up and say "NO MORE!"

Instead, most meekly march off to the disintegration chambers.

YouTube - Star Trek - 23 - A taste of armageddon Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EshD4PtCSFQ)

CCTelander
11-21-2010, 09:19 PM
Yes, a very apt, sad and frightening analogy.

I'd often thought of that episode in the same way, or the people marching off to the clean, comfortable, with beautiful scenes of nature being played on wide screens all around them, suicide chambers in Soylent Green.

YouTube - soylent green - the scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edQNjJZFdLU)


Soylent Green is another perfectly apt analogy.

People really need to find the courage of their convictions and simply start refusing to comply with the overwhelming majority of "laws."

Either that or learn to love being cattle.

Reason
11-21-2010, 10:42 PM
w00t for san diego!

Reason
11-21-2010, 10:46 PM
that guy should have known better and used Qik if he knew he was planning to engage in activism like that ahead of time

would have uploaded as it was recording

Anti Federalist
11-21-2010, 11:02 PM
that guy should have known better and used Qik if he knew he was planning to engage in activism like that ahead of time

would have uploaded as it was recording

I have pair of these on order for just such "emergencies".

Should be waiting for me when I get home.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/316owaElseL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

LOREXvue Video Recording Sunglasses

http://www.amazon.com/Lorex-LSC001-LOREXvue-Recording-Sunglasses/dp/B002V3QY1S

Promontorium
11-22-2010, 03:38 AM
Before this guy got arrested I had resolved that stripping to my underwear was the only way I'd go through with the screening.

-personal life story deleted-

fisharmor
11-22-2010, 06:52 AM
I know Sam. He's pretty much a badass. We have a lot of liberty lovers in San Diego, fortunately. :) I still don't understand why he was arrested?

Well, then, quick question.... is he white?
I'm interested because Norfolk, VA area badass Danladi Moore got awarded money a year or so ago for an OC incident with the cops - and this was 5-6 years after every LEO in the commonwealth should have received training that this is going on.
However, he only got $10k.



Once you start down the cattle chute towards the TSA de-flowering, you cannot turn back.

It's rip, shit or bust from that point on.

I've already determined not to fly, but if I had to, given that stripping seems to be out of the question, I've come up with my new strategy:
wet myself.

osan
11-22-2010, 09:38 AM
Soylent Green is another perfectly apt analogy.

People really need to find the courage of their convictions and simply start refusing to comply with the overwhelming majority of "laws."

Either that or learn to love being cattle.

I carried a gun in NYC without a "license" for 10 years. Same in NJ. Fuck them and their violations of my natural rights and the means for exercising them. I defied them then and still do now.

Now when I go to places like my old home town, I wear an empty holster so very prominently on my hip. I DARE anyone to open their yaps about it, especially stupid ass cops. On 9/11 I was home at WTC with holster on hip. Not a single cop mouthed off to me. I was verily surprised, to be honest. The funny part was the reactions of people in the subway, especially the black and hispanic women, many of whom gave holster a good eyeballing and then got that pained, shitty, brink of screaming panic look on their sorry kissers and made body language as if trying to hide in one of the cracks between floor tiles. They looked at me as if I was about to attack them! The fear gushed from them. Amusing, in a pitifully disgusting and pathetically sad sort of way.

Down with all tyrants and cowards!

KCIndy
11-22-2010, 09:42 AM
"Doesn't bother me, I don't fly" - Boobus Americanus

Don't forget the worst one: "I welcome the searches, I have nothing to hide!"
:mad:

tangent4ronpaul
11-22-2010, 10:13 AM
THIS THREAD IS WORTHLESS WITHOUT PICS! :D

-t