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tangent4ronpaul
11-20-2010, 06:27 PM
Time to grab some popcorn and sit back to watch the fireworks... :D

http://www.alternet.org/media/148826/16_of_the_dumbest_things_americans_believe_--_and_the_right-wing_lies_behind_them

We’ve gone beyond Stephen Colbert's' truthiness' into a 'truth-be-damned' environment.

Americans are often misinformed, occasionally downright dumb, and easily misled by juicy-sounding rumors. But while the right wing is taking full advantage of this reality, the Left worries that calling out lies is "rude."

Remember when Congressman Joe Wilson stood up during Obama’s State of the Union address and shouted “You lie”? He was chastised soundly by the pundit class. But mostly he drew heat for being impolite, and was compared to Kanye West and other famous interrupters.

Revisiting Wilson's foolish tirade underscores the state of our upside-down political world. Wilson shouted “you lie” in the face of truth, but President Obama is hesitant to speak up when he’s being slandered with bald, glaring untruths. The dark irony will continue as the Republicans take over the House this winter and the rumors and insinuations from extremist right-wing pundits keep circulating. It feels like no one with a loud enough megaphone has the courage to call a spade a spade, or more accurately a lie a lie.

We’ve gone far beyond Stephen Colbert’s “truthiness” into a more “truth-be-damned” environment; what Rick Perlstein described in the Daily Beast as a “mendocracy. As in, rule by liars.”

Here are some examples of recent ways we have made inroads in ignorance:

* Polling data during and after last week’s midterm elections suggested that many Americans genuinely believe President Obama has raised their taxes -- even though the reality is that our president actually lowered them for most of us. This means that people trust pundits like Rush Limbaugh, a major force behind spreading that lie, over the numbers on their own tax returns.
* Another recent phenomenon? Half of new Congressmen don’t believe in the reality of global warming. It’s not that they don’t just disagree on the source or the severity of the problem. They flat out don’t think the world is getting warmer--despite the evidence outside their windows.
* The new Congress will probably try to restore millions of dollars of funding for scientifically inaccurate, largely disastrous abstinence-only curriculum in schools, many of which have been shown to spread lies like "condoms don't work" and "abortion causes cancer."
* News outlets picked up a wildly inflated and completely outlandish claim from an Indian blog that Obama’s trip abroad cost $200 million a day--and listeners have swallowed it. (In this case, the White House flat-out denied it.)

The scary thing is, these kinds of rumors have a way of taking root in the popular consciousness. Just as the election season began heating up earlier this year, Newsweek published a list of “Dumb Things Americans Believe.” While some of them are garden-variety lunacy, a surprising number are lies that were fed to Americans by our leaders on the far-Right. This demonstrates that media-fed lies can easily become ingrained in the collective memory if they’re not countered quickly and surely. Newsweek’s list included the following 12 statistics taken from recent and semi-recent polls and surveys. The first half are directly related to right-wing rumormongering.

* Nearly one-fifth of Americans think Obama is a Muslim. Thanks, Fox news, for acting like this was a matter of opinion, not fact.
* 25 percent of Americans don’t believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution while less than 40 percent do. Consider the fact that several of our newly elected officials, specifically newly elected Kansas Governor Sam Brownback, share that belief.
* Earlier this year, nearly 40 percent of Americans still believed the Sarah Palin-supported lie about "death panels" being included in health care reform.
* As of just a few years ago, about half of Americans still suspected a connection between Saddam Hussein and the attacks of September 11, a lie that was reinforced by none other than Dick Cheney.
* While a hefty amount of this demonstrable cluelessness gets better as the respondents get younger, all is not well in the below-30 demographic. A majority of “young Americans” cannot identify Iraq or Afghanistan--the places their peers are fighting and dying--on a map.
* Two out of five Americans, despite the whole separation of church and state being a foundation of our democracy thing, think teachers should be able to lead prayer in classrooms. So it seems those right-wingers clamoring to tear down the wall between church and state aren’t the only ones who don’t know their constitutional principles.
* Many Americans still believe in witchcraft, ESP and other supernatural phenomena. Does that explain why Christine O’Donnell was so quick to deny her “dabbling”?
* Speaking of antiquated religious beliefs, about a decade ago, 20 percent of Americans still believed that the sun revolves around the earth. That's just sad, considering that even the Vatican has let Galileo off the hook for being right.
* Only about half of Americans realize that Judaism is the oldest of the three monotheistic religions. Other examples of wild misunderstanding about religion and the separation of church and state can be found in this fall’s Pew survey on Americans’ religious knowledge.
* This one made a huge splash when it appeared. In 2006 more Americans were able to name two of the “seven dwarves” than two of the Supreme Court justices. And that was before Kagan and Sotomayor showed up. To be fair, Happy and Sleepy are easy to remember.
* More Americans can identify the Three Stooges than the three branches of government--you know, the ones who are jockeying over our welfare.


So what to do in a political and cultural landscape in which well-told lies have more validity than fact-based truth? Perlstein explained how this environment gets created by explaining what happened on Election Day this year:

“...by a two-to-one margin likely voters thought their taxes had gone up, when, for almost all of them, they had actually gone down. Republican politicians, and conservative commentators, told them Barack Obama was a tax-mad lunatic. They lied. The mainstream media did not do their job and correct them. The White House was too polite—"civil," just like Obama promised—to say much. So people believed the lie.”

We’ve entered a bizzarro world in which calling out lies is considered rude, says Perlstein, so liars are allowed to sit tight and dominate the discourse. This gels with Bill Maher’s critique of the Rally for Sanity, that calling for “balance for balance’s sake” ignores two important aspects of news reporting: facts and evidence.

Blaming Americans for being ignorant unwashed masses--or taking potshots at an education system that doesn’t teach critical thinking-- would be the easy answer to this conundrum.

But the reality is that if messaging has such a big effect on Americans, then messaging matters. Folks on our end have to counter the lies with well-told, unabashed unironic, truth-telling. And we have to demand that our media, and our politicians, call out the other side. As Perlstein notes, “When one side breaks the social contract, and the other side makes a virtue of never calling them out on it, the liar always wins. When it becomes 'uncivil' to call out liars, lying becomes free.”

Even worse, once lies begin to spread, they become more than rumors--they become permanent beliefs.

Vessol
11-20-2010, 06:39 PM
How is the left not doing exactly the same? This looks like something from Huffington Post or Dailykos.

tangent4ronpaul
11-20-2010, 06:48 PM
They are and parts of this article demonstrate that.

-t

KCIndy
11-20-2010, 07:05 PM
Interesting.

The article is from AlterNet.org, which has some really interesting stuff in their "About Us" section:


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Hmmm.... "more than 40 percent" eh? I wonder where the MORE than 50% other funding comes from? Are we paying for this site with our tax money? I hope not.




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FrankRep
11-20-2010, 07:10 PM
* Polling data during and after last week’s midterm elections suggested that many Americans genuinely believe President Obama has raised their taxes -- even though the reality is that our president actually lowered them for most of us. This means that people trust pundits like Rush Limbaugh, a major force behind spreading that lie, over the numbers on their own tax returns.


:: What about ObamaCare? What will that do to our taxes?

* Another recent phenomenon? Half of new Congressmen don’t believe in the reality of global warming. It’s not that they don’t just disagree on the source or the severity of the problem. They flat out don’t think the world is getting warmer--despite the evidence outside their windows.


:: Is it called "global warming" again? Didn't they change the name to "Climate Change" because the the theory is falling apart?

* The new Congress will probably try to restore millions of dollars of funding for scientifically inaccurate, largely disastrous abstinence-only curriculum in schools, many of which have been shown to spread lies like "condoms don't work" and "abortion causes cancer."


:: It's my Job to teach my Kids about Sex. Yes, having an abortion screws with and confuses the chemical and hormonal processes of the female body, which can lead to cancer.

* News outlets picked up a wildly inflated and completely outlandish claim from an Indian blog that Obama’s trip abroad cost $200 million a day--and listeners have swallowed it. (In this case, the White House flat-out denied it.)

:: Whatever the cost, it's too much.

* Nearly one-fifth of Americans think Obama is a Muslim. Thanks, Fox news, for acting like this was a matter of opinion, not fact.

:: When did Fox News call Obama a Muslim?

* Earlier this year, nearly 40 percent of Americans still believed the Sarah Palin-supported lie about "death panels" being included in health care reform.

:: Word Games! Section 1233 of ObamaCare talks about "end-of-life counseling." The bill would pay doctors to give Medicare patients end-of-life counseling every 5 years - or sooner if the patient gets a terminal diagnosis.

* As of just a few years ago, about half of Americans still suspected a connection between Saddam Hussein and the attacks of September 11, a lie that was reinforced by none other than Dick Cheney.

:: I agree with one. wow.

* Two out of five Americans, despite the whole separation of church and state being a foundation of our democracy thing, think teachers should be able to lead prayer in classrooms. So it seems those right-wingers clamoring to tear down the wall between church and state aren’t the only ones who don’t know their constitutional principles.

:: "Separation of Church and State" is NOT in the Constitution. The First Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Second, America is a Republic, not a democracy.

* Many Americans still believe in witchcraft, ESP and other supernatural phenomena. Does that explain why Christine O’Donnell was so quick to deny her “dabbling”?

:: Christine O’Donnell is was quick is deny the "witch smear" because SHE'S NOT A WITCH.

Anti Federalist
11-20-2010, 09:01 PM
And so on...

Blarg blarg blarg, idiot right wingers, blarg blarg blarg, teabaggers, blarg blarg blarg, Bill Maher, blarg blarg blarg.

Hey lefties, how many of you are going to be marching in DC on 20 March next year?

Yah, I thought so...:mad:

akforme
11-20-2010, 09:36 PM
* Polling data during and after last week’s midterm elections suggested that many Americans genuinely believe President Obama has raised their taxes -- even though the reality is that our president actually lowered them for most of us. This means that people trust pundits like Rush Limbaugh, a major force behind spreading that lie, over the numbers on their own tax returns.

Rolling tobacco tax. I love how they sound informed, when they really aren't. The best part about this tax is that the poorest of the poor smoke rolling tobacco and this increase was enormous (price went from 15 to 40 for a bag) and he did this about the same time he was giving the bailout for the wealthiest..

nate895
11-20-2010, 09:58 PM
* The new Congress will probably try to restore millions of dollars of funding for scientifically inaccurate, largely disastrous abstinence-only curriculum in schools, many of which have been shown to spread lies like "condoms don't work" and "abortion causes cancer."




Forget the other nonsense in this article. It is nonsense from sore losers, whose only response to defeat is to say "How could we lose? I know, it must have been that everyone besides us is ignorant." However, this is just stupid. In this guy's best intellectually superior voice, he goes "scientifically inaccurate...abstinence-only curriculum." Having experience so-called "abstinence-only curriculum," the curriculum basically says that abstinence is the only way to absolutely guarantee safety from STDs and pregnancy, which is absolutely true. Is he suggesting that there is a magic way to prevent transmission of disease and pregnancy while still engaging in sexual activity? If he is, then he is the one that is just being stupid.

MyLibertyStuff
11-20-2010, 10:03 PM
But the reality is that if messaging has such a big effect on Americans, then messaging matters. Folks on our end have to counter the lies with well-told, unabashed unironic, truth-telling. And we have to demand that our media, and our politicians, call out the other side. As Perlstein notes, “When one side breaks the social contract, and the other side makes a virtue of never calling them out on it, the liar always wins. When it becomes 'uncivil' to call out liars, lying becomes free.”

Even worse, once lies begin to spread, they become more than rumors--they become permanent beliefs.

Spreading the truth is the only way to tear down this system!

Mach
11-21-2010, 12:46 AM
Hmmm.... "more than 40 percent" eh? I wonder where the MORE than 50% other funding comes from? Are we paying for this site with our tax money? I hope not.


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Zap!
11-21-2010, 02:09 AM
The majority of us here are right-wing leaning Libertarians. I'd rather pick a fight with the left-wingers.

tangent4ronpaul
11-21-2010, 07:42 AM
What I thought most interesting is that lies repeated enough become common belief.

Never mind that the truth they are talking about spreading is mostly lies...

-t

TheHumblePhysicist
11-21-2010, 09:44 AM
A deficit is a future tax. So yes, President Obama has massively raised taxes on the American people.

mczerone
11-21-2010, 10:42 AM
Spreading the truth is the only way to tear down this system!

Tearing down this system is the only way to spread the truth!

FTFA:

Blaming Americans for being ignorant unwashed masses--or taking potshots at an education system that doesn’t teach critical thinking-- would be the easy answer to this conundrum.

But the reality is that if messaging has such a big effect on Americans, then messaging matters. Folks on our end have to counter the lies with well-told, unabashed unironic, truth-telling. And we have to demand that our media, and our politicians, call out the other side. As Perlstein notes, “When one side breaks the social contract, and the other side makes a virtue of never calling them out on it, the liar always wins. When it becomes 'uncivil' to call out liars, lying becomes free.”

Even worse, once lies begin to spread, they become more than rumors--they become permanent beliefs.

Okay, "one side" vs. "the other side", "social contract", "our media, our politicians". The lies in their conclusion are as bad or worse than any of the "lies" they complained about in the article.

To take one example: evolution vs. creationism. Certainly there will never be a single viewpoint that all people agree on. Each person will have their own reservations about how much natural evolution played in the development of man, and how this evolution took place. So what is "one side" of the debate, and what is "the other"? And why should they care about what other individuals believe with respect to the creation of man? Why the butthurt if people think differently from yourself?

Well, some might say "We have to decide what we teach in our schools", or "we have to have one answer because we only have one law" (for more political questions, like "does Obamacare have death panels?"). So? This sounds like a problem with your schools or your law than a problem with who believes what, as no one solution is ever going to work for everyone.

Not only is a variety of options a better solution because there are a variety of viewpoints, but the only way to really determine what is "correct" is to allow individuals free adherence to whatever they wish to believe, and see which viewpoint is the most successful. Imposing any solutions, even those that are "correct", creates animosity and rebelliousness - giving an incentive to adopt "bad" viewpoints just out of spite.