Boehner: Republicans must be "adults" about raising debt ceiling. [Archive]

Agorism

11-20-2010, 02:59 AM

Boehner: Republicans must be "adults" about raising debt ceiling.

Boehner Warns GOP on Debt Ceiling
WSJ Blogs
Washington Wire
November 18, 2010, 7:39 PM ET
By Naftali Bendavid

Raising the debt ceiling is shaping up as a difficult early vote for the new House GOP majority. Many of the new Republican lawmakers harshly criticized their Democratic opponents during the campaign for voting to raise the limit in the past, citing it as an example of the Democrats’ recklessness with federal tax dollars.

But on Thursday, Minority Leader John Boehner (R., Ohio) said he’s been talking to the newly elected GOP lawmakers about the need to raise the federal debt ceiling when it comes up early next year.

“I’ve made it pretty clear to them that as we get into next year, it’s pretty clear that Congress is going to have to deal with this,” Mr. Boehner, who is slated to become House speaker in January, told reporters.

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RileyE104

11-20-2010, 04:14 AM

All I can say is FUCK this guy.. :mad:
Is that 'adult' enough for his hypocritical ass?

Yieu

11-20-2010, 05:50 AM

“I’ve made it pretty clear to them that as we get into next year, it’s pretty clear that Congress is going to have to deal with this,” Mr. Boehner, who is slated to become House speaker in January, told reporters.

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Yes, it is pretty clear that if they can't get the ceiling raised, they're going to have to deal with it and find out where to make some cuts.

What happened to Rand's "adult conversation" about not raising it?

hamilton1049

11-20-2010, 06:29 AM

The 1994 replay begins now.

Stary Hickory

11-20-2010, 07:25 AM

Southron

11-20-2010, 07:34 AM

I'm not sure what benefit, if any, will be gained by raising the ceiling. If the Republicans don't at least pretend they are acting differently, they will just get thrown out next election.

I don't think the voters have enough patience to wait for more Republicans to get elected before they take action.

hamilton1049

11-20-2010, 07:45 AM

DO you expect them to balance the budget in two months? Just curious? If you want to see a hypocrite look at yourselves.

Do you honestly think Ron Paul would balance the budget in two months? It kind of gets ridiculous around here, think about it. I am all for a balanced budget....but it is not going to happen in two months..with two wars going on, and at the very least a costly withdrawal would be necessary.

Just going leave the troops over in Iraq and Iran to die? Things cannot simply be dropped all at once so quickly.

Nope, don't even expect it to be fixed in 2 yr.s but with this rhetoric we won't have 2 yr.s.

The American people have a very large, very ugly, and bitter pill to swallow, and not very many of them are going to swallow it voluntarily. In 2 yr.s they won't even have to bother pretending any more.

Cowlesy

11-20-2010, 07:53 AM

I'd almost be willing to give them a pass on this one as they'll be in office for less than thirty days, but the thing is, in six-eight months when they bump up against the limit again, then what is the deal?

They need to have a come to Jesus moment real soon or in two years we're going to elect more leftists as the herd moves back in the other direction.

moostraks

11-20-2010, 07:54 AM

This will be so they can make sure to have the wiggle room to be able to protect the lobbyists while screwing their constituents. Yes everyone needs to be adults and realize that the GOP has their own long list of needs.

V for Voluntary

11-20-2010, 08:17 AM

"One of the most curious, and least edifying, sights in the Reagan era was to see the Reaganites completely change their tune of a lifetime. At the very beginning of the Reagan administration, the conservative Republicans in the House of Representatives, convinced that deficits would disappear immediately, received a terrific shock when they were asked by the Reagan administration to vote for the usual annual increase in the statutory debt limit. These Republicans, some literally with tears in their eyes, protested that never in their lives had they voted for an increase in the national debt limit, but they were doing it just this one time because they "trusted Ronald Reagan" to balance the budget from then on. The rest, alas, is history, and the conservative Republicans never saw fit to cry again. Instead, they found themselves adjusting rather easily to the new era of huge permanent deficits. The Gramm-Rudman law, allegedly designed to eradicate deficits in a few years, has now unsurprisingly bogged down in enduring confusion."

http://mises.org/daily/1544

awake

11-20-2010, 08:24 AM

Like an adolescent with his parents credit card..." the credit card is full, can I have more?", "I promise this is the last time that I will drink and party it all away... I have changed "

QueenB4Liberty

11-20-2010, 08:46 AM

Like an adolescent with his parents credit card..." the credit card is full, can I have more?", "I promise this is the last time that I will drink and party it all away... I have changed "

Yes. It's sick.

Chester Copperpot

11-20-2010, 09:02 AM

NO MORE DEBT... we must hold the line.. if congress has no money then they need to work without a salary... cut the budget and from there find the money to pay themselves..

not one more stinking federal reserve note

HOLD THE LINE

osan

11-20-2010, 09:06 AM

All I can say is FUCK this guy.. :mad:
Is that 'adult' enough for his hypocritical ass?

+1

Traitorous, treacherous, two-faced, pragmatist bastards.

LibertyEagle

11-20-2010, 09:07 AM

DO you expect them to balance the budget in two months? Just curious? If you want to see a hypocrite look at yourselves.

Do you honestly think Ron Paul would balance the budget in two months? It kind of gets ridiculous around here, think about it. I am all for a balanced budget....but it is not going to happen in two months..with two wars going on, and at the very least a costly withdrawal would be necessary.

Just going leave the troops over in Iraq and Iran to die? Things cannot simply be dropped all at once so quickly.

Stary, are you sure there is not already quite a bit of money in the pipeline for the troops? Remember when Dr. Paul voted against new spending bills for the war? Do you remember what he said? Maybe we should check to see what the situation is right now before we so eagerly agree to raise the debt ceiling.

I think it's way past time to hold the line.

No new debt.

speciallyblend

11-20-2010, 09:09 AM

my prediction, the gop is screwed!! I hope delegates get with the program asap!!

If I get it but these republicans do not? Then our country is already F'ed!!!

I need to start researching my costs to move to costa rica!!

osan

11-20-2010, 09:20 AM

DO you expect them to balance the budget in two months? Just curious? If you want to see a hypocrite look at yourselves.

Talk about nonsequiturs - first of all, who said anything about balancing the budget in two months? That aside, what does it have to do with the issue of the debt ceiling?

...with two wars going on, and at the very least a costly withdrawal would be necessary.

Hello? Costly withdrawal? It is the war that is costly, in both $ terms, lost national security, the thousands of American lives lost, the tens of thousands of American lives destroyed through maiming, divorce, orphanage of children, bereavement of friends and family, and the murder (that's right murder) of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians.

Costly withdrawal - where the hell do people get such ideas?

Just going leave the troops over in Iraq and Iran to die?

Iran? We have troops in Iran? When did this happen?

Things cannot simply be dropped all at once so quickly.

Actually, they pretty much can. Put me in charge and in six weeks or less I will have every scrap of humanity and materiel out of Eye-Rack and Afghanistan.

I don't know what it is you are smoking, but you should be in a more sharing mood. :)

silverhandorder

11-20-2010, 09:27 AM

Talk about nonsequiturs - first of all, who said anything about balancing the budget in two months? That aside, what does it have to do with the issue of the debt ceiling?

Hello? Costly withdrawal? It is the war that is costly, in both $ terms, lost national security, the thousands of American lives lost, the tens of thousands of American lives destroyed through maiming, divorce, orphanage of children, bereavement of friends and family, and the murder (that's right murder) of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians.

Costly withdrawal - where the hell do people get such ideas?

Iran? We have troops in Iran? When did this happen?

Actually, they pretty much can. Put me in charge and in six weeks or less I will have every scrap of humanity and materiel out of Eye-Rack and Afghanistan.

I don't know what it is you are smoking, but you should be in a more sharing mood. :)
QFT

I am sick and tired of excuses. If there was any time for rpg to flex our muscle this would be the time. We need to try and put them through he'll who knows we might win.

osan

11-20-2010, 09:36 AM

my prediction, the gop is screwed!! I hope delegates get with the program asap!!

This is what I have been saying for what, the past year almost? We will see the SOS as when GW took over, when Reagan took over, Clinton... it's all bullshit.

The question this raises should be troubling to everyone here. These people are not stupid, all popularity of asserting the contrary notwithstanding. Therefore, the apparent stupidity of pulling the same shit over and over again, ever increasing the risk that we will finally put a stop to it all, must be compensated for by some other factor. There must be a good reason why these guys are risking mass revolt, possibly very violent revolt. It could be hubris at work, but I am not yet convinced this is so. But what else, then? Could the leadership know something the rest of us do not? Something waiting in the wings such that this whole circus is just a play for time; something that, when rolled into action, will leave us all hog-tied and unable to do anything about it? Or could violent revolt perhaps be what they are looking for? If people get violent, say, in the large cities then what might be awaiting us in response?

What "they" are doing makes precious little sense from the standpoint of political (and possibly even physical) self preservation, so why are they doing it?

speciallyblend

11-20-2010, 09:44 AM

This is what I have been saying for what, the past year almost? We will see the SOS as when GW took over, when Reagan took over, Clinton... it's all bullshit.

The question this raises should be troubling to everyone here. These people are not stupid, all popularity of asserting the contrary notwithstanding. Therefore, the apparent stupidity of pulling the same shit over and over again, ever increasing the risk that we will finally put a stop to it all, must be compensated for by some other factor. There must be a good reason why these guys are risking mass revolt, possibly very violent revolt. It could be hubris at work, but I am not yet convinced this is so. But what else, then? Could the leadership know something the rest of us do not? Something waiting in the wings such that this whole circus is just a play for time; something that, when rolled into action, will leave us all hog-tied and unable to do anything about it? Or could violent revolt perhaps be what they are looking for? If people get violent, say, in the large cities then what might be awaiting us in response?

What "they" are doing makes precious little sense from the standpoint of political (and possibly even physical) self preservation, so why are they doing it?

i hear ya, I will still do my duty as a Ron Paul delegate but i feel we are already past the point of repair!! I am strongly considering moving out of the country after my 1yr lease is up!!

awake

11-20-2010, 10:10 AM

The Americas, and the world, are in a spiral of crisis. This is the point at which the interventionism of past policies have given way to their destructive effects. The people have a simple choice: onward to full socialism, or back to the free market. More government, or more freedom from it. The fence we think we are sitting on is falling over.

nobody's_hero

11-20-2010, 11:30 AM

I swear I get tired of hearing that "adults" statement.

People act like we're being idiot children because we understand that if you're drowining in five feet of water, you don't get air by swimming deeper.

Travlyr

11-20-2010, 02:34 PM

What if ... Lawrence O'Donnell is right in this video?

"Our debt ceiling is now $14.3 trillion, it will need to be raised in the coming year; he just used the phrase, "Enslaved by Debt." This is exactly what he stands against.
If he, and he is as a single United States Senator, empowered, empowered to prevent us from raising the debt ceiling because it must be raised on a date certain ... at a particular time on the clock, or the United States government goes into default."

YouTube - Rand Paul Victory Speech "I Have A Message From The People Of Kentucky!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku1TX9dvHYE&feature=player_embedded)

What if ... not raising the debt ceiling does indeed cause a deflationary spiral leading to an instant crash?
Thorsten Polleit clearly states that deflation will crash the fiat monetary system, and he also points out that inflation eventually crashes the fiat system as well.

Start at 38:00 for the short version.
YouTube - Ending the Monetary Fiasco and Returning to Sound Money | Thorsten Polleit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w9mqaE10_A&feature=player_embedded)

What if ... QE 2.0 leads to QE 3.0, QE 4.0, QE 5.0 and on and on eventually leading to hyperinflation?

If Rand successfully filibusters raising the debt ceiling, AND causes default, would that be better for the people than waiting for the Fed to inflate the dollar to worthlessness?

Consider these two hypothetical scenarios:

If we wait for the Fed to inflate the dollar away, it could take a while to crash, and that would give the "powers that be" more time to use their new found money to buy commodities to protect their political position. - The Golden Rule - "He who owns the gold, makes the rules."

If Rand is successful in crashing the economic system this spring, then everyone will have to accept whatever position they hold at the time.

Brian4Liberty

11-20-2010, 03:06 PM

But on Thursday, Minority Leader John Boehner (R., Ohio) said he’s been talking to the newly elected GOP lawmakers about the need to raise the federal debt ceiling when it comes up early next year.

Probably right after his meeting with Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, etc...the people who both profit on government debt, and serve as "expert advisers". :rolleyes:

acptulsa

11-20-2010, 03:17 PM

There's nothing that can't be closed in all of the area between Fredrick, Md. and Fredricksburg, Va. without rending the very fabric of American civilization? I disagree. I think the Department of Education could be closed forever at five o'clock today and we'd be better off.

The whole idea that only children live within their budgets and when the going gets tough adults just get better credit cards is indeed pretty damned galling. Throw in that the laws they pass to regulate themselves they ignore with impugnity, and it isn't hard to see why we're so sick of them.

Anti Federalist

11-20-2010, 03:22 PM

Sick, disgusting and not at all surprising...it's to be expected.

Pretty silly if you ask me, the whole thing has a "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic" aspect to it.

Matt Collins

11-20-2010, 03:24 PM

Ironic coming from this guy:

YouTube - RINO Alert: John Boehner Voted for the TARP Bailout (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ja9q386ek)

Anti Federalist

11-20-2010, 03:26 PM

*sigh*

I've said it a million times now.

We're not voting our way out of this mess.

Anti Federalist

11-20-2010, 03:32 PM

The 1994 replay begins now.

http://i.usatoday.net/news/opinion/_photos/2010/11/09/e101109_Keefepg-vertical.jpg

IPSecure

11-20-2010, 04:21 PM

This is the absolute definition of the word insane.

All members of government need to be tested for sanity by the health department.

DC Department of Mental Health: Comprehensive Psychiatric Emergency Program (http://dmh.dc.gov/dmh/cwp/view,a,3,q,515833,dmhNav,%7C31250%7C.asp)

johnny.rebel

11-20-2010, 04:21 PM

If Rand successfully filibusters raising the debt ceiling, AND causes default, would that be better for the people than waiting for the Fed to inflate the dollar to worthlessness?

Consider these two hypothetical scenarios:

If we wait for the Fed to inflate the dollar away, it could take a while to crash, and that would give the "powers that be" more time to use their new found money to buy commodities to protect their political position. - The Golden Rule - "He who owns the gold, makes the rules."

If Rand is successful in crashing the economic system this spring, then everyone will have to accept whatever position they hold at the time.

It would be better to stop the craziness sooner than later. I hope Rand stands firm.

Anti Federalist

11-20-2010, 04:26 PM

It would be better to stop the craziness sooner than later. I hope Rand stands firm.

Prediction:

Rand will vote against, but not filibuster.

If he votes in favor of, then there is only one thing left to say:

http://www.sadtrombone.com/

johnny.rebel

11-20-2010, 04:29 PM

Prediction:

Rand will vote against, but not filibuster.

If he votes in favor of, then there is only one thing left to say:

http://www.sadtrombone.com/

Probably so. 1994 all over again. :o

klamath

11-20-2010, 04:57 PM

Nope the American people rejected the hardline fiscal conservatives in the last election. The only way I would accept voting for the debt increase is if they push through SUBSTANTIAL cuts in the budget. If they can't get the budget cuts through then they should hold the spenders feet to the fire by not voting for the debt ceiling increase.
However there will be no way that congress can cut 1.4 trillion out of the budget in the first year. Even RP never suggested we do that.

georgiaboy

11-20-2010, 05:39 PM

yep, the budgetary cuts should be attached to, amended to, whatever, the vote to increase the debt ceiling, enough cuts over enough time to never have to raise the debt ceiling again. Otherwise, the debt ceiling by itself should not be raised. Quid pro quo or no go.

Without that, this is gonna be just another bailout vote, and another litmus test for me. I'm waiting for my reps to vote on this, and their vote will determine my vote for them next time around.

BTW, do any of us have the slightest doubt about how Ron Paul will vote on this? I don't. Case closed.

Catatonic

11-20-2010, 06:07 PM

Is Boehner TEA party?

MyLibertyStuff

11-20-2010, 06:09 PM

All I can say is FUCK this guy.. :mad:
Is that 'adult' enough for his hypocritical ass?

qft

RCA

11-20-2010, 06:26 PM

http://i.usatoday.net/news/opinion/_photos/2010/11/09/e101109_Keefepg-vertical.jpg

nice cartoon!

Imaginos

11-20-2010, 06:58 PM

I knew it.
:mad:

low preference guy

11-20-2010, 07:00 PM

the serious and adult thing to do is not raising the debt ceiling

jmdrake

11-20-2010, 07:12 PM

Prediction:

Rand will vote against, but not filibuster.

If he votes in favor of, then there is only one thing left to say:

http://www.sadtrombone.com/

There's no way in hell Rand votes for raising the debt ceiling. No way in hell. If he does then I officially believe in alien body snatchers.

RM918

11-20-2010, 08:05 PM

If Rand filibusters (And they don't figure out some way to temporarily or PERMANENTLY remove him) and the U.S. goes into default, they'll just blame Rand for doing it!

Anti Federalist

11-20-2010, 08:24 PM

There's no way in hell Rand votes for raising the debt ceiling. No way in hell. If he does then I officially believe in alien body snatchers.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/02/06/body_snatchers_080128110655013_wideweb__300x210.jp g

LoL, for what it's worth I don't think he will either, but, you never know.

The fetid swamps of DC have corrupted many more before him.

KCIndy

11-20-2010, 08:26 PM

If Rand filibusters (And they don't figure out some way to temporarily or PERMANENTLY remove him) and the U.S. goes into default, they'll just blame Rand for doing it!

Probably true. Look for the national media to start tossing around words and phrases like "delusional," "Quixotic" (they love using that one for Ron) and "dangerously naive" once Rand starts putting up some resistance.

MN Patriot

11-20-2010, 08:35 PM

Our entire rotten EXPLOITIVE political system is based on the expectation that the productive American people continue to produce and willingly bear a greater burden. How do these charlatans expect to ever pay off this debt, or even the interest on the debt? WITH THE MONEY THAT WE EARN. In other words: higher taxes to immediately rob us and greater inflation to gradually rob our savings.

I have been saying, with little success in these forums, that we need to threaten to incite a TAX REVOLT. This is how to do it LEGALLY:
Have our Tea Party congresspersons introduce legislation to outlaw payroll tax withholding. Require workers to write a check every month for their taxes. That will wake everyone up, the slaves and the slave masters.
If these "revolutionaries" that have been elected don't attempt to free the tax slaves, then they have been exposed as a bunch of frauds. This is why we need a serious national discussion of creating a third party to put the Republicans out of business.

low preference guy

11-20-2010, 08:35 PM

If Rand filibusters (And they don't figure out some way to temporarily or PERMANENTLY remove him) and the U.S. goes into default, they'll just blame Rand for doing it!

if they blame it on Rand, it will be worth it, because no one in their right mind will lend money to the U.S. government from that point, money which is always used to make the government bigger.

Live_Free_Or_Die

11-20-2010, 09:02 PM

How long did it take to pass obama care? For reference..

jmdrake

11-21-2010, 06:48 AM

If Rand filibusters (And they don't figure out some way to temporarily or PERMANENTLY remove him) and the U.S. goes into default, they'll just blame Rand for doing it!

Rand should vote no, but not filibuster. Then we target the republicans in the house and senate who voted yes for fully funded primary challenges in 2012.

osan

11-21-2010, 09:03 AM