TSA agents whining and complaining about being bitched at:"we're just doing our job"

[Anti Federalist]

TSA Enhanced Pat Downs : The Screeners Point Of View

http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flyingwithfish/2010/11/18/tsa-enhanced-pat-downs-the-screeners-point-of-view/

11.18.2010 | Author: flyingfish | Posted in Uncategorized

In the past few weeks since the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) implemented its new “enhanced” pat down procedures there has been considerable backlash from the traveling public. This backlash has been loud and angry … but what is not heard or seen in the media is the quiet resentment of this new policy within the TSA.

A few days ago I contacted 20 TSA Transportation Security Officers (TSO) to ask their opinions of the new “enhanced” pat downs. Of the 20 I reached out to, 17 responded. All 17 who responded are at airports where the new “enhanced” pat down is in place … and the responses were all the same, that front line TSOs do not like the new pat downs and that they do not want to perform them. I expected most to not like the pat downs … but what I didn’t expect was that all 17 mentioned their morale being broken down.

Each of the 17 TSA TSOs that responded to me detailed their personal discomfort in conducting the new pat downs, with more than one stating that it is likely they are more uncomfortable performing the pat down than passengers are receiving them.

Some comments from these TSOs include:

“It is not comfortable to come to work knowing full well that my hands will be feeling another man’s private parts, their butt, their inner thigh. Even worse is having to try and feel inside the flab rolls of obese passengers and we seem to get a lot of obese passengers!”

“Do you think I want to go to work and place my hands between women’s legs and touch their breasts for a few hours? For starters, I am attracted to men, not women and if I was attracted to women, it would not be the large number of passengers I handle daily that have a problem understanding what personal hygiene is.”

“Yesterday a passenger told me to keep my hands off his penis or he’d scream. Is this how a 40 year old man in business attire acts? He’ll scream? My 3 year old can get away with saying he’ll scream, but a 40 something business man? I am a professional doing my job, whether I agree with this current policy or not, I am doing my job. I do not want to be here all day touching penises.”

“Being a TSO means often being verbally abused, you let the comments roll off and check the next person, however when a woman refuses the scanner then comes to me and tells me that she feels like I am molesting her, that is beyond verbal abuse. I asked the woman if she thought I like touching other women all day and she told me that I probably did or I wouldn’t be with the TSA. I just want to tell these people that I feel disgusted feeling other peoples private parts, but I cannot because I am a professional.”

“I was asked by some guy if I got excited touching scrotums at the airport and if it gave me a power thrill. I felt like vomiting when he asked that. This is not a turn on for me to touch me it is in fact a huge turn off. There is a big difference between how I pat passengers down and a molester molesting people.”

Aside from the issue of TSA TSOs being required to physically touch passengers in places they do not want to be touching them during the ‘enhanced’ pat down, morale is decreasing for front line TSOs, due in part to an increase in verbal abuse. Each of the 17 TSOs who responded to me detailed a new level of verbal abuse they are experiencing at work.

The TSA has experienced a high level of turn over since its inception, however its turnover rate has decreased recently. With this decrease in morale, caused directly by a change in TSA policy, it is likely to begin experiencing a higher than average turn over again … which will further decrease the effectiveness of airport security.

Some comments from these 17 TSOs include:

“Molester, pervert, disgusting, an embarrassment, creep. These are all words I have heard today at work describing me, said in my presence as I patted passengers down. These comments are painful and demoralizing, one day is bad enough, but I have to come back tomorrow, the next day and the day after that to keep hearing these comments. If something doesn’t change in the next two weeks I don’t know how much longer I can withstand this taunting. I go home and I cry. I am serving my country, I should not have to go home and cry after a day of honorably serving my country.”

“I come to work to do my job. It is not up to me to decide policy, it is up to me to carry out my duties as dictated by the Transportation Security Administration. When a person stands in front of me and calls me a pervert or accuses me of molesting them it is disheartening. People fail to understand that neither of us are happy about the intrusive pat down I am carrying out. I am polite, I am professional and while someone may not like what I have to carry out, they came to me because they choose not to utilize the alternative and less invasive method of security at my airport.”

“I served a tour in Afghanistan followed by a tour in Iraq. I have been hardened by war and in the past week I am slowly being broken by the constant diatribe of hateful comments being lobbed at me. While many just see a uniform with gloves feeling them for concealed items I am a person, I am a person who has feelings. I am a person who has served this country. I am a person who wants to continue serving his country. The constant run of hateful comments while I perform my job will break me down faster and harder than anything I encountered while in combat in the Army.”

“Do people know what a Nazi is? One can’t describe me as a Nazi because I am following a security procedure of designed to find prohibited items on a passenger’s body. A Nazi is someone with hatred and ignorance in their hearts, a person who carried out actions of execution and extermination of those based on their religion, origins or sexual preferences. I work to make travel safer, even if I do not agree with the current security procedures. Further more, I am Jewish and a TSA Transportation Security Officer, an American Patriot and to call me a Nazi is an offense beyond all other offenses.”

There are multiple sides to every story, and I think the point of view of those on the front lines of the TSA, those required to carry on the policy and procedures created by the TSA, are an import part of this story. I think those organizing efforts to change the TSA’s policy should also consider the impact to the TSA TSOs.

Rather than dehumanize the TSA TSOs, work with them, understand their views and opinions and work together to change the current TSA policies.

Happy Flying!

[tpreitzel]

This whole situation with the TSA is just sickening to EVERYBODY except the goons at the DHS. Get rid of the monstrosity and let the current employees find other work.

[Trigonx]

I hate that damn line, "I'm just doing my job." It is morally wrong, and illegal might i add, to do what is asked of them, and they deserve every comment that is thrown at them if they just mindlessly accept their role instead of thinking of what they are actually doing to other people. One even said that he is a person too with feelings, well i hate to break it to that guy and remind him that the people he is touching and fondling are people with feelings.

[aGameOfThrones]

“Do people know what a Nazi is? One can’t describe me as a Nazi because I am following a security procedure of designed to find prohibited items on a passenger’s body. A Nazi is someone with hatred and ignorance in their hearts, a person who carried out actions of execution and extermination of those based on their religion, origins or sexual preferences. I work to make travel safer, even if I do not agree with the current security procedures. Further more, I am Jewish and a TSA Transportation Security Officer, an American Patriot and to call me a Nazi is an offense beyond all other offenses.”

How did the Nazi start?

[Anti Federalist]

I could deconstruct every one of those comments, but this one is the one that really made me spit nails:


“Do people know what a Nazi is? One can’t describe me as a Nazi because I am following a security procedure of designed to find prohibited items on a passenger’s body. A Nazi is someone with hatred and ignorance in their hearts, a person who carried out actions of execution and extermination of those based on their religion, origins or sexual preferences. I work to make travel safer, even if I do not agree with the current security procedures. Further more, I am Jewish and a TSA Transportation Security Officer, an American Patriot and to call me a Nazi is an offense beyond all other offenses.”

That right there is why we are only a few degrees of separation from concentration camps.

This person could not be more wrong.

What, do you think that every NAZI "officer" was a fire breathing, gibbering demon with fangs and baby guts in their teeth???

No, they were people JUST LIKE YOU, convinced by a lying, corrupt regime that you are somehow doing your "patriotic duty" by subjugating and trampling the rights of your fellow citizens for some higher purpose like "protecting the fatherland".

They were people just like you, holding mild mannered civil service jobs serving the state, who reacted, when caught and confronted by the atrocities carried out in their name, with genuine surprise, they honestly thought "they were just doing their jobs".

[AGRP]

Great. Here comes the prostate exams.

[aGameOfThrones]

I could deconstruct every one of those comments, but this one is the one that really made me spit nails:



That right there is why we are only a few degrees of separation from concentration camps.

This person could not be more wrong.

What, do you think that every NAZI "officer" was a fire breathing, gibbering demon with fangs and baby guts in their teeth???

No, they were people JUST LIKE YOU, convinced by a lying, corrupt regime that you are somehow doing your "patriotic duty" by subjugating and trampling the rights of your fellow citizens for some higher purpose like "protecting the fatherland".

They were people just like you, holding mild mannered civil service jobs serving the state, who reacted, when caught and confronted by the atrocities carried out in their name, with genuine surprise, they honestly thought "they were just doing their jobs".


One of the comments from the site:


TSA agent: “Do people know what a Nazi is?”

German citizen in the early 1940s: “I’m not doing anything terrible. I’m just working at a train station where they’re loading passengers on these trains, bound for who knows where. I don’t hate them. I’m just doing my job. If I don’t do it, I could get in trouble. I have a family to feed. I’m serving my country.”

“I’m just following orders” is not a defense for being complicit in violating the rights of your fellow human beings.

[Noob]

TSA TSO Cry babyies.

Than quit the job if you don't want to be verbally abused, while sexually touching people than.

[Anti Federalist]

One of the comments from the site:



Quote:
TSA agent: “Do people know what a Nazi is?”

German citizen in the early 1940s: “I’m not doing anything terrible. I’m just working at a train station where they’re loading passengers on these trains, bound for who knows where. I don’t hate them. I’m just doing my job. If I don’t do it, I could get in trouble. I have a family to feed. I’m serving my country.”

“I’m just following orders” is not a defense for being complicit in violating the rights of your fellow human beings.



And that was not me.

Thank God there are some sane people left.

[sofia]

Government stages 9/11 attacks.

Government blames it on mythical "suicide hijackers".

Government instututes TSA to thwart future "suicide hijackers."

Government stages "underwear bomber" incident.

Government institutes porno scanners to thwart future "underwear bombers."



........This is so fucked up...it's surreal. Orwell himself couldnt make such shit up.

[heavenlyboy34]

I could deconstruct every one of those comments, but this one is the one that really made me spit nails:



That right there is why we are only a few degrees of separation from concentration camps.

This person could not be more wrong.

What, do you think that every NAZI "officer" was a fire breathing, gibbering demon with fangs and baby guts in their teeth???

No, they were people JUST LIKE YOU, convinced by a lying, corrupt regime that you are somehow doing your "patriotic duty" by subjugating and trampling the rights of your fellow citizens for some higher purpose like "protecting the fatherland".

They were people just like you, holding mild mannered civil service jobs serving the state, who reacted, when caught and confronted by the atrocities carried out in their name, with genuine surprise, they honestly thought "they were just doing their jobs".
QFT! I was thinking almost the exact same thing as I read the OP.

[Marenco]

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[heavenlyboy34]

Government stages 9/11 attacks.

Government blames it on mythical "suicide hijackers".

Government instututes TSA to thwart future "suicide hijackers."

Government stages "underwear bomber" incident.

Government institutes porno scanners to thwart future "underwear bombers."



........This is so fucked up...it's surreal. Orwell himself couldnt make such shit up.

It was practically prophesized in Zamyatin's novel "We". It is about a totalitarian Surveilance State In which all people live in transparent housing so they can be watched 24/7 by the Guardians. Citizens of the One State even had to obtain special coupons in order to visit another citizen's apartment, close the blinds, and have sex. With spy technology becoming ever smaller and pervasive, Amerika could become a total Surveilance State like that. :eek::cool:

[aGameOfThrones]

And that was not me.

Thank God there are some sane people left.

Directed at the Author:


You need to review the difference between “analogy” and “equivalence.” An analogy shows a common pattern or characteristic shared between two things, intended in rhetoric to illustrate a deeper principle or further an argument. An equivalence is used to suggest that something is fundamentally like something else in all relevant respects. So if someone says “TSOs are Nazi stormtroopers” or “TSOs are just like the SS” then you have a valid objection to the Nazi comparison.

If, however, the TSOs say, “I’m just following orders,” while doing something wrong, and people rightly point out that we didn’t accept that argument out of actual Nazis who strip searched people and confiscated their belongings in support of an illegal and immoral policy, then while people aren’t saying TSOs should be hung at Nuremberg because they’ve killed people, they are saying that they are excusing actions in support of an unconstitutional, immoral, and useless policy with the same argument we didn’t accept in 1945/46.

So if you’re prepared to accept that argument now, you’re prepared to say that “just following orders” is an OK excuse so long as you didn’t actually kill people. And that means that any actual Nazis who didn’t kill people were wrongly convicted, and you’re against that.

If you can’t stand that conclusion, then you have to say why that principle doesn’t apply here, and come up with some justification that following illegal and immoral orders is OK when the result isn’t death for the person whose rights are violated.

I can’t come up with that justification, which is why I have no sympathy for police who get civil rights lawsuits for violating the rights of people even though they weren’t seeking to kill them. And similarly, while I don’t want to abuse the TSOs, I also don’t want them to think I approve of their actions and will let them know it. And if they say they were just following orders, I’ll remind them that we didn’t accept that excuse out of Nazis, don’t accept that excuse out of people working for Bernie Madoff, and I don’t accept that excuse out of them.

[Yieu]

What, do you think that every NAZI "officer" was a fire breathing, gibbering demon with fangs and baby guts in their teeth???

No, they were people JUST LIKE YOU, convinced by a lying, corrupt regime that you are somehow doing your "patriotic duty" by subjugating and trampling the rights of your fellow citizens for some higher purpose like "protecting the fatherland".

They were people just like you, holding mild mannered civil service jobs serving the state, who reacted, when caught and confronted by the atrocities carried out in their name, with genuine surprise, they honestly thought "they were just doing their jobs".

Indeed, that they were "just following orders" or "just doing their job" was the Nuremberg excuse, and it didn't work then. What we gain from this is that we can use the knowledge of this excuse to poke holes in the argument for more security theatre, as we know to what end this excuse can be used.

[KCIndy]

And that was not me.

Thank God there are some sane people left.


Fortunately, there are still a few people around who remember that "I was just following orders" didn't fly too well as a defense at the Nuremberg trials after the war....

[KCIndy]

LOL

Yiew, looks like we were thinking same thing at the same time! :)

[EndDaFed]

That quit the job if you don't want to be verbally abused, while sexually touching people than.

I guess the job angel will take care of that one. I'm sure they will have no problem finding another job competing with 14 million other unemployed Americans to see who gets to scrub shit off walls. Take a look around. The society is in the process of collapse.

[pacelli]

"I just want to tell these people that I feel disgusted feeling other peoples private parts, but I cannot because I am a professional."

Now follow me here folks, I know the below quote is a long one....


The defense mechanism called intellectualization occurs when a person adopts a cool, scientific attitude toward something that threatens to cause emotional upset.

A friend of mine who taught gross anatomy at a medical school let me visit the classroom where he taught. Each first-year medical student had a cadaver to work on, so the room looked like a morgue. But (he explained) the students quickly learned to regard the bodies as nothing but laboratory material for dissection. Whether or not they realized it, this professional attitude probably helped them combat feelings of dread and fear

http://www.psywww.com/intropsych/ch11_personality/defense_mechanisms.html

So to be a professional, TSA jagoff is to be professionally trained to LIE to oneself about the wrongfulness of their behavior by adopting a defense mechanism whereby they deny their true feelings and project a cold & clinical exterior. By god, they are training these people to be psychopaths.

[Anti Federalist]

Quote:
"I just want to tell these people that I feel disgusted feeling other peoples private parts, but I cannot because I am a professional."

Now follow me here folks, I know the below quote is a long one....


Quote:
Originally Posted by psywww.com
The defense mechanism called intellectualization occurs when a person adopts a cool, scientific attitude toward something that threatens to cause emotional upset.

A friend of mine who taught gross anatomy at a medical school let me visit the classroom where he taught. Each first-year medical student had a cadaver to work on, so the room looked like a morgue. But (he explained) the students quickly learned to regard the bodies as nothing but laboratory material for dissection. Whether or not they realized it, this professional attitude probably helped them combat feelings of dread and fear

http://www.psywww.com/intropsych/ch1...echanisms.html

So to be a professional, TSA jagoff is to be professionally trained to LIE to oneself about the wrongfulness of their behavior. By god, they are training these people to be psychopaths..

Fantastic point.

Adopt a "professional demeanor" and you can commit any atrocity.

[Brian4Liberty]

Each of the 17 TSA TSOs that responded to me detailed their personal discomfort in conducting the new pat downs, with more than one stating that it is likely they are more uncomfortable performing the pat down than passengers are receiving them.

I got that feeling when an old Filipino guy asked me with a very uncomfortable, almost pleading look on his face, to stop removing my clothing in front of everyone. It was his fault for just gesturing to my pants instead of explicitly saying that I needed to remove my belt. :D

[tpreitzel]

By god, they are training these people to be psychopaths.

Psychopathy is certainly a consequence of encouraging normally inappropriate behavior... Again, this whole situation with the TSA is just sickening, perverse and tragic.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Tell the TSA that you're getting your $15 worth of entertainment you were forced to pay to be molested and/or ionized just to take a trip to another city.

When the hell is Chris Hansen and his team of crusaders going to show up and confront the molesters and child predators?

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[Matt Collins]

Great. Here comes the prostate exams.







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[Golding]

"I'm no Nazi. I'm just following orders."

[low preference guy]

I go home and I cry. I am serving my country, I should not have to go home and cry after a day of honorably serving my country.”

The TSA brainwashes their employees really well.

[Mach]

I agree, the TSA does de-emotionalize their people, but, it seems like all government employees are like that... brainwashed for the "good" of the people.

[moostraks]

I guess the job angel will take care of that one. I'm sure they will have no problem finding another job competing with 14 million other unemployed Americans to see who gets to scrub shit off walls. Take a look around. The society is in the process of collapse.

Which makes it perfectly legitimate for them to tell us to ignore the abuse they are perpetrating? So would this be your excuse for the guys who perform extraordinary renditions or executions without trial as well? We don't want them to have to scrub crap off the walls and hell what are the odds of you or a loved one being the target???? Your attitude is part of the problem!

[moostraks]

By god, they are training these people to be psychopaths.

You are spot on with this argument. There will be a number of those that will quit but then you will have a large portion that will rationalize the economy made them do it and come to terms with it as you described and they will become the ones they promote into positions of even more sickening authority. Same stuff goes on in Social Services. Then they wrap it in the greater good philosophy.

[Heimdallr]

You work at the TSA. Your compliance in the policy is why people are pissed. Deal with it.

If you don't like it, fucking quit. If you don't agree with the policy, fucking quit.

I have no sympathy. You deserve it for "doing your job".

[archangel689]

Nuremberg Defense

[QueenB4Liberty]

You work at the TSA. Your compliance in the policy is why people are pissed. Deal with it.

If you don't like it, fucking quit. If you don't agree with the policy, fucking quit.

I have no sympathy. You deserve it for "doing your job".

Exactly.

[QueenB4Liberty]

You are spot on with this argument. There will be a number of those that will quit but then you will have a large portion that will rationalize the economy made them do it and come to terms with it as you described and they will become the ones they promote into positions of even more sickening authority. Same stuff goes on in Social Services. Then they wrap it in the greater good philosophy.

I agree with this also.

[Baptist]

Nazis were just doing their job.

[ItsTime]

Let them know that THEIR JOB is a DISGRACE to America.

[speciallyblend]

I agree, the TSA does de-emotionalize their people, but, it seems like all government employees are like that... brainwashed for the "good" of the people.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Mike4Freedom]

“Molester, pervert, disgusting, an embarrassment, creep. These are all words I have heard today at work describing me, said in my presence as I patted passengers down. These comments are painful and demoralizing, one day is bad enough, but I have to come back tomorrow, the next day and the day after that to keep hearing these comments. If something doesn’t change in the next two weeks I don’t know how much longer I can withstand this taunting. I go home and I cry. I am serving my country, I should not have to go home and cry after a day of honorably serving my country.”

FFFFFFFuck You!

[torchbearer]

"I'm no Nazi. I'm just following orders."

+1 internets.

[Matt Collins]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qyhZ9_eXCHM/TAwlDyTl-EI/AAAAAAAAFV8/A0jjoHxulXI/s1600/GodwinsLaw.jpg

[xd9fan]

Nuremberg Defense

no shit this was the first thing I thought of too!!!

As an American...." we're just doing our job" is just not good enough.....

[Wesker1982]

"I'm no Nazi. I'm just following orders."

Sad and funny at the same time, probably more sad than funny though.

For those who aren't familiar, you should look into the "Milgram Experiment"


The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment



Nuremberg Defense



no shit this was the first thing I thought of too!!!

As an American...." we're just doing our job" is just not good enough.....

+1

[Fredom101]

"Rather than dehumanize the TSA TSOs, work with them, understand their views and opinions and work together to change the current TSA policies."

I actually agree with this to a certain extent. Dehumanizing them does nothing to help our cause. However, our goal is not to "change the TSA policies" (although that would be a nice start), but to get rid of the very idea that government should provide safety for us.

[Anti Federalist]

"Rather than dehumanize the TSA TSOs, work with them, understand their views and opinions and work together to change the current TSA policies."

I actually agree with this to a certain extent. Dehumanizing them does nothing to help our cause. However, our goal is not to "change the TSA policies" (although that would be a nice start), but to get rid of the very idea that government should provide safety for us.

Disagree.

If anything, even more abuse needs to be heaped on them, by everybody.

Your typical Americunt doesn't seem to want to wake up until Big Brother is literally squeezing his balls and feeling up his pre pubescent daughter.

I hope they do go home at night and cry, I hope they are so miserable that those with a conscience, a shred of humanity and the slightest notion of constitutional rights and what it means to be a free citizen in a free country, quit.

Leaving behind the manhandles, power trippers and perverts.

Let Boobus get a full gutful of what real tyranny is.

[Anti Federalist]

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/15141621-post9.html

As a member of the workforce and general population, it is impossible to escape the issue of sexual harassment and what it does to anyone encountering it: increased stress, lost productivity, mental and physical illness, even the fear of violence. As a parent, we teach our children to not let others touch their bodies. How then, did we allow Congress and TSA the ability to manually touch our bodies in its quest to out the bad guys?
Personally, I’m fed up with being felt up.

TSA’s latest is a blatant encroachment on all things private—no longer a pat down … what’s being done bypasses any police “pat down” I’ve witnessed. Within the past two weeks, I’ve experienced the new system four times with some variation. Traveling as many do with artificial joints and implants, I’m one of those who sound the alarms. Being used to the “wanding,” I was stunned with the incredible invasiveness of what’s going on now.

Three children call me Gramma. I get, and enjoy countless letters from those who have heard me speak and who have read the many books that I’ve authored. I speak globally on them. I’m approaching my second million miles as a frequent flyer on United Airlines. On top of my head is a mop of silver hair. I don’t look like a terrorist; I don’t act like a terrorist; I don’t think like a terrorist … I am not a terrorist. What I am is a frequent traveler with double titanium knee implants. And, I’m mad as hell.

Sounding the security alarm after removing shoes, computers and passing through the sensors with less than five items on me, I’m told to stand on the pad and spread my feet. I’m asked if I want a private room, they do ask that—most of us frequent flyers just want to get through the damn line and to our boarding gate … declining, here’s what happened …

Told to assume “the position,” two feet are placed on the mat, spread eagle and the TSA agent—same gender—gives you her verbiage drill that she will “feel” and no longer pat … blah, blah, blah. Arms out, palms up. Beginning at my neck, she feels all around my collar and under it … mind you I have no visible jewelry but small earrings and a wrist watch. I am not asked if there is anything that lurks hidden. I always say that I have double knee implants and bolts in my right shoulder as a courtesy to them.

She then proceeds along my arms, running both her hands along them from my armpits to the wrists. She then moves to my back and does a full feel over it … now moving her hands fully across my butt, moving them inside my waist band and then circles to my front side, readying for the frontal assault. Jeeze. Beginning with her hand flat on my chest under my chin, she begins her downward stroke between my breasts, and running her hand under each. I want to swat her away. She says, “If you want, you can have a private screening…” I’m thinking, “Yeah, to feel me up more –hey, hey TSA, how many boobs have your felt today …”

I tell her, “Just get it over with …” Hmmm, the procedure doesn’t move more swiftly. She then moves her hands, both of them, to my waist and belly. Hands move sideways across my belly, lifting my shirt, and feeling inside my waistband. I’m getting pissed … I don’t like strangers in my pants. The legs are next. Beginning at the ankle of each inner leg, she firmly moves the palm side of her hand up, all the way to my crotch, not once, but twice. Now, I’m really pissed … and feel incredibly violated. I want a shower … I want to get home … I don’t want to fly anymore … and I know I have my final roundtrip flight in two weeks for the year, then off the road for a month ….

The week before, the agent in Las Vegas wanted my passport number and name because the buzzer did the alarm thing and she did her search procedure—not once, but twice, forcing me into the private room. What was I wearing? … socks, black slacks, underwear, blouse with long sleeves. My usual.

I now dislike air travel, where I used to embrace it … and I have to do it with my work. I find myself resisting going to the airport. I detest all things TSA and wonder just how many billions/trillions are sucked into this government wasteland. I’m amused when I hear others say that they make travel safer. To the professional traveler, that statement in itself is a joke.

Frankly, I don’t want anyone feeling me up and down unless I invite them to do it. Does TSA have a “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy like the Military in its hiring? Could there be stalking and undercover men and women enjoying this new opportunity? With the full ankle to crotch “feels,” how do the guys like it as the hand moves up to the base of the crotch, touching their dangling parts? Hmmm, has one of the TSA male agents ever wanted to say, “Cough”?

Why has Congress approved this outrageous, personally humiliating “search” that screams sexual harassment? I was told by the TSA supervisor in Phoenix that Congress approved the new procedure. We have laws against inappropriate behavior. I want to know which members voted for it. Where is the ALCU in its outrage on the assault of the innocent flyer? How about the ABA? Why aren’t the airlines shouting, “enough of this nonsense”? Is this why TSA agents now where blue uniforms similar to what many cops have worn, so they look more “official/threatening”? If men and women are opting for the “private” screening, are their two agents there vs. one?—after all, I didn’t sign anything that I gave written permission to have my body touched and handled.

A full body massage when you are in the buff has more integrity. Yep, I’m fed up with being felt up. I will do everything to curtail travel using the airlines. What’s the number for Amtrak?

[MyLibertyStuff]

I could deconstruct every one of those comments, but this one is the one that really made me spit nails:



That right there is why we are only a few degrees of separation from concentration camps.

This person could not be more wrong.

What, do you think that every NAZI "officer" was a fire breathing, gibbering demon with fangs and baby guts in their teeth???

No, they were people JUST LIKE YOU, convinced by a lying, corrupt regime that you are somehow doing your "patriotic duty" by subjugating and trampling the rights of your fellow citizens for some higher purpose like "protecting the fatherland".

They were people just like you, holding mild mannered civil service jobs serving the state, who reacted, when caught and confronted by the atrocities carried out in their name, with genuine surprise, they honestly thought "they were just doing their jobs".

Great post...took the words out of my mouth and expanding on them ten fold.

[KCIndy]

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/15141621-post9.html

Yep, I’m fed up with being felt up. I will do everything to curtail travel using the airlines. What’s the number for Amtrak?


What the author doesn't realize is that if we don't stop this crap here and now, we'll soon be subjected to the same bullshit when we take the train. The it will be the bus. Then random stops where we're pulled from our own personal vehicles and subjected to random strip searches on the side of the road.

And it will all be done "for our own good" of course.

We have to draw the line right here before the tyranny creeps any closer to our families and the freedoms we have left.

[Vessol]

"I was just doing my job" didn't hold in Nuremberg, nor will it work for the TSA or any other people who obey the government blindly.

[speciallyblend]

The Ron Paul Revolution@ every Airport in Our Country ???
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=269779

[Romulus]

Your typical Americunt doesn't seem to want to wake up until Big Brother is literally squeezing his balls and feeling up his pre pubescent daughter.



And they still arent waking up! We are fking c-hair away from cattle in fema camps.

[moostraks]

And they still arent waking up! We are fking c-hair away from cattle in fema camps.

Who needs FEMA camps? Take this behavior expanded to other means of travel with the current mindset of "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear". It will be same tactic that Social Services uses in their illegal searches and 'interviews'.

[Anti Federalist]

Who needs FEMA camps? Take this behavior expanded to other means of travel with the current mindset of "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear". It will be same tactic that Social Services uses in their illegal searches and 'interviews'.

This is a beta test, to see if the Americunt people will stand for it.

If, as is usually the case, they placidly accept whatever government does to them, and I have no reason to suspect they will do otherwise, then DHS and TSA will begin rolling this out all across the transportation grid: subways, buses, trains, roadside checkpoints and major public gatherings.

This has been their stated goal all along.

[moostraks]

This is a beta test, to see if the Americunt people will stand for it.

If, as is usually the case, they placidly accept whatever government does to them, and I have no reason to suspect they will do otherwise, then DHS and TSA will begin rolling this out all across the transportation grid: subways, buses, trains, roadside checkpoints and major public gatherings.

This has been their stated goal all along.

I think its baked in the cake. By listening to how 'they' are responding through the media it is a replay of the bailouts. Cry, moan, and complain all you want they don't care and will proceed as they see fit. I think that is what angers me the most....

[Natalie]

//

[tremendoustie]

Good. They deserve it. They should quit, instead of blindly following illegal and immoral orders, and abusing their countrymen.

[Anti Federalist]

I think its baked in the cake. By listening to how 'they' are responding through the media it is a replay of the bailouts. Cry, moan, and complain all you want they don't care and will proceed as they see fit. I think that is what angers me the most....

That's exactly right.

And people are starting to see, maybe not fast enough and not getting angry enough about it for my taste, but they are starting to get the message:

"We're government, you will do what you are told, you will comply, now, fuck off."

[Anti Federalist]

From last year, but still...

tsa agents took my son

http://www.mybottlesup.com/2009/10/tsa-agents-took-my-son/

October 16th, 2009 | Author: Nicole
As I sit and write this post, 24 hours after this event took place, my hands still shake… with rage and with terror.

I woke up this morning to my husband’s alarm clock, sat straight up in bed and thought “Where’s Jackson?” with fear paralyzing me.

My worst nightmare took place yesterday. Worse than events that have taken place and that I have survived in my short 28 years of living. Worse than my wildest of dreams could conjure.

My son was taken from me.

Taken.

My son was taken from me by the TSA agents at Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson airport yesterday.

He was taken away from me and OUT OF MY SIGHT because his pacifier clip went off when I carried him through the metal detector.

According to the Transportation Security Administration website, “We will not ask you to do anything that will separate you from your child or children.”

Bullshit TSA.

You took my son. MY SON.

Here’s what took place… minute by terrifying minute…

I had Jackson in his stroller, his diaper bag, and a duffle bag which contained my mac book as I entered security. I placed all of these items on the conveyor belt to go through the metal detector. Jackson was in my arms, and in the midst of getting all of our gear on the conveyor belt, my mistake was neglecting to take off my son’s pacifier clip that hangs from his shirt, which is metal.

The instant I walked through the metal detector with Jackson in my arms, we beeped. I knew exactly why.

I told the TSA agent, who asked me to back up and walk through again, “It’s my son’s pacifier clip, can I put it on the conveyor belt?”

“Ma’am turn around and come back please,” I was told.

Of course Jackson’s clip went off again. Both Jackson and I were then escorted to a 6 ft tall plastic holding box because I was forced to wait for a female TSA agent to search me.

At this point in time, all of my belongings were sitting at the opposite end of the conveyor belt, thereby backing up every other passengers belongings because I was not there to gather mine.

A woman out of the kindness of her heart (and if you are out there somewhere reading this, THANK YOU) saw me just standing and waiting in my 6 ft plastic box and gathered my belongings for me. She waited with my stroller, my diaper bag, my duffle bag and my mac book. This woman motioned to me that everything (including my flip flops) was all together and then she left.

She must be a mother.

She understood.

I was so grateful.

4 female TSA agents stood at the end of 2 conveyor belts, gloves on their hands, none of them searching anyone, none of them doing anything but watching luggage pass through the conveyor belts.

It was at this point in time that I realized my flight was leaving in less than 45 minutes. I had not even been searched yet. I began to panic.

Through the 6 holes in the plastic box that contained Jackson and I, I began asking for help. I waved to all 4 female TSA agents, each of them looked at me and then looked away. Then I started speaking through the 6 holes, and said, “Can someone please search me? My flight leaves in less than 45 minutes.”

Each of the 4 women answered me using the same exact phrase…

“Ma’am you need to wait. I don’t care about your departure time.”

Eventually one of the four female TSA agents opened the door and let Jackson and I out of our plastic containment box. We were escorted to a chair that was opposite from where my belongings were. I asked if I could bring my belongings over or take a seat closer to where they were. I was told no and to take my seat.

At this point in time, my heart began to race, thinking we would miss our flight and I would be stuck in the Atlanta airport with Jackson for who knows how long until there was another flight to Baltimore.

The female TSA agent stood in front of me while I sat with Jackson and she continued to watch luggage come through the conveyor belt.

“Ma’am, can someone please just search me so we can be on our way? We are going to miss our flight,” I said.

The female agent then called an older gentleman, also a TSA agent over. The male TSA agent stood in front of me and said “I’m going to have to pat down your son.”

With Jackson still sitting in my lap (he was being so good despite all of this chaos) I said ok and continued to hold on to my son, expecting the male TSA agent to start touching Jackson.

He then told me, “I’m going to have to pick him up to inspect him.”

I rolled my eyes and sternly told him “It’s his pacifier clip that went off, can’t you just run that back through the belt and let us go. We are going to miss our flight.”

The female TSA agent, who had been standing there the entire time said to me, “You need to adjust your attitude and do as you are told.”

The male TSA agent repeated, “I’m going to have to pick him up to inspect him.”

I handed him my son.

I handed him my son and he walked away with my child.

My eyes welled up with tears, I stood up from my chair and I asked the female TSA agent, “Where is he going? Where is he taking my child? Why is he leaving?”

Jackson, while being whisked away looked at the male TSA agent awkwardly and repeated “no no no no.”

I started crying.

The female TSA agent did not answer me.

Panic set in. My hands began to shake. My body was sweating. My breath was short and my heart was racing.

They had taken my child and not told me.

Jackson was out of my eye sight.

I could not see my son.

Now sobbing, I repeated my questions to the female TSA agent.

She told me “Ma’am, we’re trying to be nice to you. We don’t know which one of you went off in the metal detector. Stay here so I can search you.”

“But my son… where is my son?” I asked over and over again.

The female TSA agent called a second female TSA agent over as she began to search me. Apparently the second female TSA agent could hear me protesting and asking for my son.

“Ma’am you need to calm down or I’m going to have to involve the authorities,” she told me.

Now I was pissed.

Horrified. Terrified. Enraged.

“You fucking get the authorities,” I told the female TSA agent while the other continued to wand me and forced me to unbutton my jeans because the button beeped when she went over my abdomen with her wand.

“You get the goddamn authorities right the fuck now and tell them to GIVE ME MY SON,” I said.

I began to black out. I knew I was having a full on panic attack. I feared passing out.

I was told to take my seat again, after being searched, but I was not allowed to collect my belongings.

My cell phone was within reach and I grabbed it without being seen by the TSA agents.

I called my husband. I do not remember what I told him on the phone in terms of Jackson and what took place.

I do recall asking him to calm me down because I could not breathe. As a father, he couldn’t. I imagine any father would do the same. Paul had questions, tons of questions. Questions that I was not capable of answering because I literally was losing my breath and on the verge of blacking out.

I hung up and called my mother.

“Jackson’s gone,” I remember telling her. I do not remember what she said in return, but she instantly could tell I was having a panic attack. She began breathing with me on the phone in an attempt to calm me down.

She told me, “Nic, you’re going to have to stop crying. You need to be strong for Jackson. He’s going to be that much more scared if he sees mommy so upset. In through your nose… out through your mouth…” I think she may have counted, or had me count, I don’t know.

Jackson was still gone.

My guess is that all of this took place within a period of 10 minutes or less.

It felt like hours… days even.

My son was gone.

Sobbing and seated, I watched both female TSA agents walk away from me and go back to monitoring luggage come through the conveyor belt.

Finally the male TSA agent who took Jackson brought him back.

Jackson was in my sight and immediately started yelling, “Mommy!”

I was hysterical.

Running to my son and grabbing him from the male TSA agent’s arms, I sobbed and yelled obscenities at every single TSA agent who stood guard at the end of the conveyor belts.

One of them asked me if I wanted to speak to a supervisor.

Through tears I told him (or her, I don’t remember) that I had a flight I was about to miss.

With Jackson in my arms, I gathered our belongings, through him in the stroller and ran to the elevator that took us down to the tram to take us to our concourse where our plane waited.

B-25.

Sobbing as we traveled down the elevator, then during the tram ride, and up the next elevator to our concourse, I began running to our gate. I approached two female Delta agents at the desk of gate B-25.

“How much time do I have before this flight leaves?” I asked, knowing I needed to get to a bathroom due to my panic attack.

Looking at me concerned, I was told I had 5 minutes.

I ran to the bathroom. I placed Jackson on the diaper changing station with his juice and then I hit the floor. I could not see. I had no peripheral vision.

Channeling my mother, thinking of my phone call with her, I began to calm down.

I had an emergency Xanax in my jeans pocket. I always carry an emergency Xanax in my pocket. The result of severe anxiety.

I took the pill, but it did very little. I was so traumatized that it would’ve taken probably 4 Xanax to get my blood pressure back down to a normal level.

Splashing my face with cold water, then grabbing Jackson, I ran back to gate B-25.

Both female Delta agents looked at me and asked how they could help. I told them that my ticket had me at an aisle seat and if I could switch to a window (Jackson LOVES the window).

They told me that if I didn’t mind sitting at the back of the plane, they could give me an entire row to myself.

I started crying again. I told them a shortened version of what had just taken place and how grateful I was for their kindness.

One of the female Delta agents walked me down the jetway, helping me with the stroller and getting it a gate-claim ticket.

I hugged her. I thanked her. I got on the plane.

I had my son and we were on the plane.

I called my mother again, telling her briefly that I was on and to please call Paul. I didn’t remember that I had spoken to Paul earlier, and thought he did not know any of what had taken place.

Mom said she would call Paul and tell him everything. She reminded me that I had my son and we were on our way home.

Both Jackson and I slept during the flight. I held him so close that when he woke up, his head was drenched in sweat.

Our nightmare ended once the plane landed in Baltimore. Jackson and I exited, walked out of the concourse and Jackson demanded to get out of the stroller.

He ran to his daddy.

We were home.

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I’m unsure how to end this post. I do not know what my story will lead to (if anything) but I needed to do more than file a complaint or write a letter. My hope is that this post of mine will be read by mothers and fathers, passed along to parents traveling with their children… most of all, my hope is that NO PARENT HAS THEIR CHILD TAKEN FROM THEM.

TSA TOOK MY SON IN ATLANTA HARTSFIELD-JACKSON AIRPORT.

THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN TO ANY PARENT. EVER.

[Anti Federalist]

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[djdellisanti4]

In most circumstances, I find it hard to blame the TSA agents. They are simply being rational by doing their job. At the same time, stories like the one above make me quiver.

[amy31416]

Our job is to keep the government in check...

[tremendoustie]

In most circumstances, I find it hard to blame the TSA agents. They are simply being rational by doing their job. At the same time, stories like the one above make me quiver.

Rational? Is that a euphemism for "I'll do anything to anyone as long as I get a paycheck"? Because that doesn't make me sympathize at all.

[Anti Federalist]

In most circumstances, I find it hard to blame the TSA agents. They are simply being rational by doing their job. At the same time, stories like the one above make me quiver.

Calling it your job, don't make it right.

[ammorris]

http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flyingwithfish/2010/11/18/nazi-final-solution-the-death-camp-guards-point-of-view/

11.18.2010 | Author: flyingfish | Posted in Uncategorized

In the past few weeks since the National Socialist German Workers Party implemented its new "enhanced" final solution procedures there has been considerable backlash from European Jewry. This backlash has been loud and angry … but what is not heard or seen in the media is the quiet resentment of this new policy within the Nazi Party.

A few days ago I contacted 20 Nazi Death Camp Guards (DCG) to ask their opinions of the new “enhanced” final solution. Of the 20 I reached out to, 17 responded. All 17 who responded are at death camps where the new “enhanced” final solution is in place … and the responses were all the same, that front line DCGs do not like the new exterminations and that they do not want to perform them. I expected most to not like the exterminations … but what I didn’t expect was that all 17 mentioned their morale being broken down.

Each of the 17 Nazi DCGs that responded to me detailed their personal discomfort in conducting the new murders, with more than one stating that it is likely they are more uncomfortable performing the murders than undesirables are receiving them.

Some comments from these DCGs include:

“It is not comfortable to come to work knowing full well that my hands will be feeling another man’s emaciated body, their distended stomach, their incinerated remains. Even worse is having to try and feel inside the piles of dead prisoners and we seem to get a lot of dead prisoners!"

“Yesterday a prisoner told me to not herd him into a gas chamber or he’d scream. Is this how a 40 year old man in filthy rags acts? He’ll scream? My 3 year old can get away with saying he’ll scream, but a 40 something business man? I am a professional doing my job, whether I agree with this current policy or not, I am doing my job. I do not want to be here all day committing atrocities.”

“Being a DCG means often being verbally abused, you let the comments roll off and exterminate the next sub-human, however when a woman refuses the gas then comes to me and tells me that she feels like I am murdering her, that is beyond verbal abuse. I asked the woman if she thought I like exterminating sub-humans all day and she told me that I probably did or I wouldn’t be with the Nazi Party. I just want to tell these people that I feel disgusted disposing of other peoples lifeless bodies, but I cannot because I am a professional.”

“Murderer, heartless, a monster, cruel. These are all words I have heard today at work describing me, said in my presence as I forced prisoners into a gas chamber. These comments are painful and demoralizing, one day is bad enough, but I have to come back tomorrow, the next day and the day after that to keep hearing these comments. If something doesn’t change in the next two weeks I don’t know how much longer I can withstand this taunting. I go home and I cry. I am serving my country, I should not have to go home and cry after a day of honorably serving my country.”

“I come to work to do my job. It is not up to me to decide policy, it is up to me to carry out my duties as dictated by the Nazi Party. When a person stands in front of me and calls me a monster or accuses me of committing genocide it is disheartening. People fail to understand that neither of us are happy about the atrocity I am carrying out. I am polite, I am professional and while someone may not like what I have to carry out, they came to me because they choose not to utilize the alternative and less invasive method of not being born Jewish.”

“I served a tour in northern Africa followed by a tour on the Russian front. I have been hardened by war and in the past week I am slowly being broken by the constant diatribe of hateful comments being lobbed at me. While many just see a uniform with gloves herding them into a gas chamber I am a person, I am a person who has feelings. I am a person who has served this country. I am a person who wants to continue serving his country. The constant run of hateful comments while I perform my job will break me down faster and harder than anything I encountered while in combat in the Luftwaffe.”

“Do people know what a TSA officer is? One can’t describe me as a TSA officer because I am following a final solution designed to ethnically cleanse the European population. A TSA officer is someone with hatred and ignorance in their hearts, a person who carried out actions of irradiation and molestation of citizens based on their desire to travel. I work to make Germany stronger, even if I do not agree with the current final solution."

There are multiple sides to every story, and I think the point of view of those on the front lines of the death camps, those required to carry on the policy and procedures created by the Nazi party, are an important part of this story. I think those organizing efforts to change the Nazi policy should also consider the impact to the Nazi death camp guards.

Rather than dehumanize the Nazi DCGs, work with them, understand their views and opinions and work together to change the current Nazi policies.

Happy Dying!

[tremendoustie]

lol, ammorris, I love it.

[fisharmor]

I guess the job angel will take care of that one. I'm sure they will have no problem finding another job competing with 14 million other unemployed Americans to see who gets to scrub shit off walls. Take a look around. The society is in the process of collapse.

I'm with Moostraks on this one.
I live in the epicenter of government largesse. I live next to government tools, I go to church with them, I went to high school with them, and I'm related to some of them.
I have a high school buddy who is the type of guy who would make a great truck driver or forklift operator. I wouldn't hire him for much else. He left DHS because he could tell it was a constant episode of keystone cops.

If the type of people who are in charge of implementing these programs are such idiots, what hope do we have that the ground-level agents are capable of holding other jobs?

Yet it's not my problem. Rather, it could be my problem - if the same government whose largesse is feeding these people didn't make it damned near impossible to run a business, then perhaps I'd have some shit they could scrub off my walls. Government created this problem and government prevents us from fixing it.

They're feeling people up for a living, and hammering the last nails in America's coffin in the process. They've been brainwashed into thinking that this is a good thing. I really don't see a way to break that conditioning and get them to stop, outside of constant and well-founded ridicule.

It would be nice to figure out a way to convince them that government is the reason why they have to do what they do, and it would be nice to be able to convince them that these people are actually speaking the truth about what government has turned them into.
I just don't see a way to get through to them - not when they go home and cry every night, but still come back for more.
So in lieu of the primary goal, demoralization to the point of getting them to quit is the next best thing.

[osan]

Fantastic point.

Indeed. Let us further clarify that this method is not always eville(tm) as when used per the original example given. Like anything, it can be used for rationalizing wrong behavior, which these pussies at TSA are heavily into these days. They don't have the balls to stand up for what they know is right, so they pussy down with this king of weaseling. True professionalism at its best.

[quote]Adopt a "professional demeanor" and you can commit any atrocity.

Funny isn't it, how "vee ver only follovink ohduz" served as monumental fail at Nuremburg? The sad part is that it is now failing here in the USA. I sure hope people keep bitching about it.

[osan]

I could deconstruct every one of those comments, but this one is the one that really made me spit nails:



That right there is why we are only a few degrees of separation from concentration camps.

This person could not be more wrong.

What, do you think that every NAZI "officer" was a fire breathing, gibbering demon with fangs and baby guts in their teeth???

No, they were people JUST LIKE YOU, convinced by a lying, corrupt regime that you are somehow doing your "patriotic duty" by subjugating and trampling the rights of your fellow citizens for some higher purpose like "protecting the fatherland".

They were people just like you, holding mild mannered civil service jobs serving the state, who reacted, when caught and confronted by the atrocities carried out in their name, with genuine surprise, they honestly thought "they were just doing their jobs".

Filled to the rim with win.

I've made this point god only knows how many times. Evil looks precisely what its targets want it to look like: warm, inviting, parental, soft and radiant, hard and strong - whatever does the job. It never fails to amaze me how infinitely stupid so many people are that they repeatedly fail to understand this. It is a prima facie indication of just how desperate so many are to have something in which they can believe.

But it is also prima facie proof of their innate lassitude and criminality, for they do not want to have to work for that thing in any self-directed fashion. They want the direction done for them by the third party (lassitude) and they most often want the motivational energy to come at the expense of others (criminality). This is the saddest statement on the common human condition I can readily think of.

As I have written before, Hitler did not wake up mornings to look in the mirror and ask the man staring back at him what evil might he foist upon the world that day. He asked what can he do to save his beloved Germany, his beloved people, his beloved race, his beloved sense of golden order. THAT is the face of purest evil, the gentle loving uncle who knows what is best for you.

Yah.... hello.

+rep to you.

[osan]

........This is so fucked up...it's surreal. Orwell himself couldnt make such shit up.

Surreal is the word. This surrealism somehow reminds me of the film "Brazil".

Anyone who has not seen it, I might recommend you give it a look.

[osan]

By god, they are training these people to be psychopaths.

Well, yes. Does it not make obvious sense that people coveting power would do such things in order to ensure themselves a plentiful supply of eager and willing acolytes to do whatever it takes to expropriate, hold, and grow that power?

These people are pure and utter pragmatists. The ONLY principle at work for them is that of their mutual self interests. All other considerations fall by the wayside and I am not even sure they can really afford to trust each other. If they could get away with it, they would burn dissidents alive at the stake most publicly.

Make no mistake about it, YOU mean nothing to them. Get in their way and they will do whatever it takes to remove you from it.

[Pericles]

Here are the money quotes:



Some comments from these 17 TSOs include:

“Molester, pervert, disgusting, an embarrassment, creep. These are all words I have heard today at work describing me, said in my presence as I patted passengers down. These comments are painful and demoralizing, one day is bad enough, but I have to come back tomorrow, the next day and the day after that to keep hearing these comments. If something doesn’t change in the next two weeks I don’t know how much longer I can withstand this taunting. I go home and I cry. I am serving my country, I should not have to go home and cry after a day of honorably serving my country.”

“I served a tour in Afghanistan followed by a tour in Iraq. I have been hardened by war and in the past week I am slowly being broken by the constant diatribe of hateful comments being lobbed at me. While many just see a uniform with gloves feeling them for concealed items I am a person, I am a person who has feelings. I am a person who has served this country. I am a person who wants to continue serving his country. The constant run of hateful comments while I perform my job will break me down faster and harder than anything I encountered while in combat in the Army.”


When you have the job of violating the country's Constitution, you are not performing any type of honorable service. Period and full stop. That is the message we need to concentrate on - and further increase the emotional wear and tear on those who are willing to violate the rights of the citizens for money or any other motivation.

If we can keep the focus on that type of message, that continues to sap the morale of the functionaries.

The other thing that has to happen is there has to be leadership for an alternative. People follow leaders and you can't expect people to resist in any great degree when they don't see an alternative. We need to be able to articulate the alternative universe for people to rally around.

[jmdrake]

I could deconstruct every one of those comments, but this one is the one that really made me spit nails:



That right there is why we are only a few degrees of separation from concentration camps.

This person could not be more wrong.

What, do you think that every NAZI "officer" was a fire breathing, gibbering demon with fangs and baby guts in their teeth???

No, they were people JUST LIKE YOU, convinced by a lying, corrupt regime that you are somehow doing your "patriotic duty" by subjugating and trampling the rights of your fellow citizens for some higher purpose like "protecting the fatherland".

They were people just like you, holding mild mannered civil service jobs serving the state, who reacted, when caught and confronted by the atrocities carried out in their name, with genuine surprise, they honestly thought "they were just doing their jobs".

I think people who abuse their fellow citizens on behalf of the government and then ask their fellow citizens for sympathy are worse than Nazis. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see some goose stepping gestapo agent saying "I'm sorry. Don't be mad at me. I'm just doing my job". Maybe at the end when they were facing death at Nueremburg, but not before then.

[Anti Federalist]

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[Agorism]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/weirdpixie/ollapodrida/no_terrorist_threat.jpg

[Noob]

so no terrorist threat than why the need for the TSA?

[crazyfacedjenkins]

YouTube - Alex Jones - TSA Roleplaying (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyeHPSUImGg)

[Romulus]

Surreal is the word. This surrealism somehow reminds me of the film "Brazil".

Anyone who has not seen it, I might recommend you give it a look.

"Central Services"

[Anti Federalist]

Willing Enablers of Tyranny
Posted by Lew Rockwell on November 27, 2010 05:02 PM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/71475.html#more-71475

Writes Chris Sullivan:

In his book Obedience to Authority, Stanley Milgram describes how people can be persuaded to perpetrate heinous acts on their fellow man by adopting an “agentic state,” that is, they transfer the blame or guilt for their actions to some other figure; in his example, a man in a white lab coat prompting the subject to shock the victim with an electrical current in the name of science. This is not a new discovery to anybody that has heard about people being thrown to the lions, sent to gulags, or herded into boxcars and sent to the East. He has just shown this to be the case with a clinical study.

What seems strange is that the reverse of this syndrome seems to be the case as well.

In several recent instances, people that had confrontations with the TSA over X-rays or attempted gropings found no fault with the perpetrators. One woman that was reduced to tears said that the TSA molesters “acted professionally.” So what? Does it excuse Mr. Capone’s or Mr. Moran’s knee breakers because they collect the protection money efficiently or even politely? Is it any solace to the Kulak that is murdered by Stalin’s myrmidons that they acted professionally? Knowing the German reputation for efficiency, it’s probably safe to say that many of Hitler’s henchmen acted professionally.

In the case of agents in a totalitarian system, they have the excuse that they themselves might be killed or tortured if they don’t do as they are told. So far, in our system, it hasn’t come to that; they are acting of their own volition and are therefore wholly culpable.

Any tyrant has to rely on those below him to carry out his orders. He doesn’t have enough hands to accomplish his evil designs, so he has to have many little helpers.

On the top level there will usually be very few. The middle level will have a much larger number, but the bottom — where the boots hit the ground — there will be millions to enforce the tyrant’s will. Without millions of yes-men, there can be no tyranny; this is why the petty bureaucrat, cop, code enforcement officer, TSA, DEA, IRS, EPA, or other agent should be a total outcast as far as decent people are concerned.

These low level people are the enablers of tyranny. Without them, it makes no difference how malevolent the tyrant is; he must have many accomplices. This is why the goon who is “just doing his job” is more dangerous than the man at the top. He will do his job in most cases no matter what it is; his paycheck depends on it. He should be shunned and ostracized because he is a danger to society.

Many public employees claim that they will not comply if ordered to do some contemplated outrage. They will comply. They have already dulled their conscience and weakened their will incrementally. They should not be defended for being efficient.

[Matt Collins]

The interview starts around 3:30 into the video!


YouTube - Campaign For Liberty's Steve Bierfeldt on the Mike Church Radio Show Nov 2011 - WeWontFly.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFbbGU1fPh0)

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

They are only doing their job? Oh excuse me then. Allow me to spread my buttcheeks for you.

[Anti Federalist]

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[aGameOfThrones]

They are only doing their job? Oh excuse me then. Allow me to spread my buttcheeks for you.


Spread them! http://info.admet.com/Portals/70514/images/medical%20glove%20istock%2060.jpg

[CCTelander]

Willing Enablers of Tyranny
Posted by Lew Rockwell on November 27, 2010 05:02 PM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/71475.html#more-71475

Writes Chris Sullivan:

In his book Obedience to Authority, Stanley Milgram describes how people can be persuaded to perpetrate heinous acts on their fellow man by adopting an “agentic state,” that is, they transfer the blame or guilt for their actions to some other figure; in his example, a man in a white lab coat prompting the subject to shock the victim with an electrical current in the name of science. This is not a new discovery to anybody that has heard about people being thrown to the lions, sent to gulags, or herded into boxcars and sent to the East. He has just shown this to be the case with a clinical study.

What seems strange is that the reverse of this syndrome seems to be the case as well.

In several recent instances, people that had confrontations with the TSA over X-rays or attempted gropings found no fault with the perpetrators. One woman that was reduced to tears said that the TSA molesters “acted professionally.” So what? Does it excuse Mr. Capone’s or Mr. Moran’s knee breakers because they collect the protection money efficiently or even politely? Is it any solace to the Kulak that is murdered by Stalin’s myrmidons that they acted professionally? Knowing the German reputation for efficiency, it’s probably safe to say that many of Hitler’s henchmen acted professionally.

In the case of agents in a totalitarian system, they have the excuse that they themselves might be killed or tortured if they don’t do as they are told. So far, in our system, it hasn’t come to that; they are acting of their own volition and are therefore wholly culpable.

Any tyrant has to rely on those below him to carry out his orders. He doesn’t have enough hands to accomplish his evil designs, so he has to have many little helpers.

On the top level there will usually be very few. The middle level will have a much larger number, but the bottom — where the boots hit the ground — there will be millions to enforce the tyrant’s will. Without millions of yes-men, there can be no tyranny; this is why the petty bureaucrat, cop, code enforcement officer, TSA, DEA, IRS, EPA, or other agent should be a total outcast as far as decent people are concerned.

These low level people are the enablers of tyranny. Without them, it makes no difference how malevolent the tyrant is; he must have many accomplices. This is why the goon who is “just doing his job” is more dangerous than the man at the top. He will do his job in most cases no matter what it is; his paycheck depends on it. He should be shunned and ostracized because he is a danger to society.

Many public employees claim that they will not comply if ordered to do some contemplated outrage. They will comply. They have already dulled their conscience and weakened their will incrementally. They should not be defended for being efficient.


This deserves to be highlighted, and seriously contemplated by all.

Withdraw your consent. Ostracize the enablers. Be free.

[Anti Federalist]

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[Fozz]

I feel so bad for those poor bureaucrats :rolleyes: