Is anybody willing to defend the porno scans and body gropes?

[Anti Federalist]

Just curious.

Anybody?

Usually there is at least one devil's advocate out there.

I'd seriously like to see the argument.

[Anti Federalist]

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[oyarde]

http://static.infowars.com/2010/11/i/general/fullbody.png

I would only take that on if I was paid very well...... so what we need is a lawyer . :)

[awake]

Ok, Devils Advocate: If TSA searches were in place on 9/11 the hijackers would not have gotten box cutters on board.

[FrankRep]

Object to Sexual Assault? Boycott the Airlines! (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/opinion/becky-akers/5202-object-to-sexual-assault-boycott-the-airlines)


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[oyarde]

The Israelis COULD TEACH PEOPLE ABOUT EFFECTIVE SECURITY WITHOUT ALL THE INVASIVE STUFF . In Europe , you do not take your shoes off .

[Kludge]

No reason not to add security. People shouldn't have a problem with a professional (probably not even sexually attracted to the friskee's gender) frisking them for weapons unless they have something to hide.

[Wyurm]

Just curious.

Anybody?

Usually there is at least one devil's advocate out there.

I'd seriously like to see the argument.

I've found that this guy is a supporter of the TSA: http://twitter.com/#!/TSAagent

He's on Twitter though, so if you don't use that...

[Brett85]

Just curious.

Anybody?

Usually there is at least one devil's advocate out there.

I'd seriously like to see the argument.

I only support the porno scans if they're done on attractive women in their 20's. ;)

[JK/SEA]

Ok, Devils Advocate: If TSA searches were in place on 9/11 the hijackers would not have gotten box cutters on board.

9/11 was an inside job.

next.

[awake]

9/11 was an inside job.

next.

@#&#

[FrankRep]

Ok, Devils Advocate: If TSA searches were in place on 9/11 the hijackers would not have gotten box cutters on board.
The Underwear Bomber would have evaded the porno scanners.


The porno-scanners would not have caught the Underwear Bomber (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240193/Body-scanner-wouldnt-foiled-syringe-bomber-says-MP-worked-new-machines.html), nor can they detect “non-metallic explosives” concealed in the body’s orifices. Guess where the TSA’s headed next: can everyone say, “Cavity check”?

[specsaregood]

I only support the porno scans if they're done on attractive women in their 20's. ;)

I'm pretty sure that was an argument against it.

[oyarde]

9/11 was an inside job.

next.

They still had boxcutters .

[nate895]

The Underwear Bomber would have evaded the porno scanners.


The porno-scanners would not have caught the Underwear Bomber (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240193/Body-scanner-wouldnt-foiled-syringe-bomber-says-MP-worked-new-machines.html), nor can they detect “non-metallic explosives” concealed in the body’s orifices. Guess where the TSA’s headed next: can everyone say, “Cavity check”?

But it does show scar tissue!

Seriously, anyone who supports this BS should have their naked scanner photo plastered on the wall.

[awake]

The Underwear Bomber would have evaded the porno scanners.


The porno-scanners would not have caught the Underwear Bomber (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240193/Body-scanner-wouldnt-foiled-syringe-bomber-says-MP-worked-new-machines.html), nor can they detect “non-metallic explosives” concealed in the body’s orifices. Guess where the TSA’s headed next: can everyone say, “Cavity check”?

Yes, sodomy is an effective domination procedure in GITMO. The TSA needs to have the fear factor to silence dissent.

[GunnyFreedom]

The Federal bureau for Total Sexual Assault (TSA) which falls under the administration of the Dingus Harassment Service (DHS) has as a primary mission the demoralization of the American citizenry. If Americans were not demoralized, then they would resist, and we just can't have that now can we?

[oyarde]

But it does show scar tissue!

Seriously, anyone who supports this BS should have their naked scanner photo plastered on the wall.

Nate , that is a fantastic idea , with the name on it too , this should be the way for them to show support and the TSA people would like it too .

[nate895]

Nate , that is a fantastic idea , with the name on it too , this should be the way for them to show support and the TSA people would like it too .

A local radio show host back in Portland was defending these scanners yesterday, and my dad was telling me about it. I suggested we get his whole family through the scanners and label it "Host's wife, children, and his small penis."

[Natalie]

//

[Agorism]

Yes TSA admin defends it. He says it violates the 4th amendment, but he thinks we should do it anyways.

YouTube - Fmr Asst TSA Admin - checkpoints violate 4th amendment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni4GVWvT2Zs)

[oyarde]

Boycotting the airlines would not work because the govt would simply declare them "Too big to fail" and we'd still pay for them in taxes.

Yep

[oyarde]

Boycotting the airlines would not work because the govt would simply declare them "Too big to fail" and we'd still pay for them in taxes.

And inflated grocery/ gas prices when they print more money to do it .

[awake]

Yep

If you can't affect change by way of their profit and loss statement then they already are nationalized by government guarantee.

[JK/SEA]

They still had boxcutters .

Yes, thats what i heard.

[Vessol]

Object to Sexual Assault? Boycott the Airlines! (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/opinion/becky-akers/5202-object-to-sexual-assault-boycott-the-airlines)


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Did Frankrep really just link pedobear? Really? O_O

[newbitech]

Ok, Devils Advocate: If TSA searches were in place on 9/11 the hijackers would not have gotten box cutters on board.

box cutters were perfectly legal on 9/11.

[oyarde]

box cutters were perfectly legal on 9/11.

In carry on ? I really cannot remember . In the 80's, I was flying overseas and I carried a plastic ( zytel ) dagger that would make it through the metal detector . In the 90's , I think I carried a pocket knife . but cannot remember for sure .

[Anti Federalist]

box cutters were perfectly legal on 9/11.

Yes, they were.

[oyarde]

Yes, they were.

There is the answer , I could not remember . I never carried a box cutter .

[james1906]

Did Frankrep really just link pedobear? Really? O_O

I just opened this thread. Coincidentally it's my new avatar.

[Anti Federalist]

I just opened this thread. Coincidentally it's my new avatar.

Oh drag I like the pencil sketch old man, Led Zeppelin looking avatar.

RCA changed his too, I preferred Alex the Droogie.

[amy31416]

The x-ray machines that scan your luggage?

They don't work.

I got on at least two flights after 9/11 with a Swiss army knife in my luggage. I realized that I had it while I was in line, and since it was my dad's, wasn't willing to give it up. So I stashed it in my carry-on. No issues whatsoever.

These measures won't work either. It's just ridiculous and I won't be a part of it.

[mczerone]

The Federal bureau for Total Sexual Assault (TSA) which falls under the administration of the Dingus Harassment Service (DHS) has as a primary mission the demoralization of the American citizenry. If Americans were not demoralized, then they would resist, and we just can't have that now can we?

This is strikingly similar to the best argument I could come up with about why people are jailed for vice-crimes. If the state allowed people who were known to be drug users to have freedom, the populous would catch on that the State's laws against the use were hurting people that could be productive and were perpetuating real crime by shoving the behavior into the black market. The only threat they pose by being free is to the state's legitimacy.

So here, the only justification for these searches, these invasions of persons and property, is that if these people were able to escape the scans and gropes they would show that the prohibitions on fingernail clippers, full sized shampoo, and lighters were meaningless.

The legitimacy of the state must not be questioned, and the state will take any measure against its own people to ensure that the bulk of the population doesn't catch on to its lack thereof.

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Just curious.

Anybody?

Usually there is at least one devil's advocate out there.

I'd seriously like to see the argument.

I will defend the TSA because they provide solid evidence for my argument the more people that experience benevolent government the closer we are to liberty. They provide solid evidence for my argument people are willing to reconsider their beliefs when inspired or suffering.

I am not convinced enough people have been groped yet. :D

[low preference guy]

i feel that the TSA thuggery increases the chances of a Ron Paul presidency. but i still want the TSA to be shut down today.

[james1906]

Oh drag I like the pencil sketch old man, Led Zeppelin looking avatar.


It was Lao-Tzu. I'm sure I'll bring him back later on.

[Anti Federalist]

It was Lao-Tzu. I'm sure I'll bring him back later on.

Ah, thanks for the enlightenment.

TSA Pedo-Bear isn't bad though.:D

[DjLoTi]

A local radio show host back in Portland was defending these scanners yesterday, and my dad was telling me about it. I suggested we get his whole family through the scanners and label it "Host's wife, children, and his small penis."

Ya know, although I hate the TSA, it's not something that is annoying enough to make me extremely angry. But when I heard a story about a little 3 year old girl being selected for 'special treatment' and being terrorized through the TSA security process, like Ron, I feel that enough is enough. A 3 year old girl is not going to blow up a plane. I think a metal detector is good enough! It is stories like that that make me really mad! No child should have to be terrorized during the TSA process. Period

[oyarde]

This is strikingly similar to the best argument I could come up with about why people are jailed for vice-crimes. If the state allowed people who were known to be drug users to have freedom, the populous would catch on that the State's laws against the use were hurting people that could be productive and were perpetuating real crime by shoving the behavior into the black market. The only threat they pose by being free is to the state's legitimacy.

So here, the only justification for these searches, these invasions of persons and property, is that if these people were able to escape the scans and gropes they would show that the prohibitions on fingernail clippers, full sized shampoo, and lighters were meaningless.

The legitimacy of the state must not be questioned, and the state will take any measure against its own people to ensure that the bulk of the population doesn't catch on to its lack thereof.

Really , what the hell is up with the fingernail clippers ? can someone explain that to me ?

[Deinonychus]

Really , what the hell is up with the fingernail clippers ? can someone explain that to me ?

You can pinch someone to death.

[oyarde]

The x-ray machines that scan your luggage?

They don't work.

I got on at least two flights after 9/11 with a Swiss army knife in my luggage. I realized that I had it while I was in line, and since it was my dad's, wasn't willing to give it up. So I stashed it in my carry-on. No issues whatsoever.

These measures won't work either. It's just ridiculous and I won't be a part of it.

I still carry my pocket knife , but put it in my checked bag. I suppose the x ray machines do work , but looking at it for awhile , most things are going to start looking pretty similar .

[oyarde]

You can pinch someone to death.

I do not think mine even open up far enough to pinch the avg American .

[Son of Detroit]

The argument that "you don't have to fly" seems to be the most plausible argument.

[Anti Federalist]

The argument that "you don't have to fly" seems to be the most plausible argument.

Response:

TSA plans to roll airport style security out across the country and across all forms of transportation, including cars and non transportation related events like sporting events, concerts, shopping malls, etc.

What then?

[awake]

Studies suggest that full body massages coupled with therapeutic X-ray pulses reduce the risk of gout by 50%!

Lets see any of you TSA player haters take on that . HA!

[Deinonychus]

Response:

TSA plans to roll airport style security out across the country and across all forms of transportation, including cars and non transportation related events like sporting events, concerts, shopping malls, etc.

What then?

It's to keep us safe!!!!

[GunnyFreedom]

Response:

TSA plans to roll airport style security out across the country and across all forms of transportation, including cars and non transportation related events like sporting events, concerts, shopping malls, etc.

What then?

Well, you don't HAVE to leave your basement you know. You can shop on the internet and have stuff delivered to your door. You will be out of work so you can draw welfare. If you walk out your front door, of course, you automatically give up all of your rights, it says so right in the commerce clause. ;)

[tangent4ronpaul]

Oh hell yes!!!! - Grope and scan - talk about happy and full employment progs - this could seriously FIX the economy!!!!!!!!!!

:rolleyes:

-t

[Son of Detroit]

Response:

TSA plans to roll airport style security out across the country and across all forms of transportation, including cars and non transportation related events like sporting events, concerts, shopping malls, etc.

What then?

Excellent rebuttal.

[Freedom 4 all]

Am I the only one who really wants to walk through a pornoscanner with something like "IF YOU CAN READ IT, YOU MAY AS WELL SUCK IT" written in metallic paint on my cock? Cause that would be epic lulz.

[teacherone]

Why all the fuss? The 4th amendment was written BEFORE modern technology and modern terrorist activity. If being scanned or searched makes flying safer, why would any one person with common sense object? The Constitution starts out with "We the People" not "I" the person. It was written for the common good of the people and supersedes the individual where and when necessary. The terrorists are relying on the attitude of those who object so they can sneak in and do their evil deeds. When being scanned or searched --- just grin and bear it like you did in the shower room at school.









































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[Patrick Henry]

Am I wrong in how I would rather have planes blow up etc..., then give away any of my liberties? Keep in mind, this goes for anything. IOW, nukes in cities etc..

[MozoVote]

danke hasn't waded into this thread. Maybe he approves of groping.

[cswake]

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[Anti Federalist]

danke hasn't waded into this thread. Maybe he approves of groping.

Danke's been off pouting for weeks now, since this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=266091

Either that, or he found a fat girl to cuddle up with.

[RonPaulCult]

Ok, I'm willing to examine the flip side. What if we are all wrong? What if the government actually does care about us and our safety? What if terrorism is a threat? What if Obama really is seeing in his daily briefings a tremendous threat to airlines?

I think if we're FAIR, we can admit that TSA agents touching our entire bodies would keep terrorists from sneaking lots of things past security. Not EVERYTHING mind you, but if you have something up your pants or near your penis or whatever the case may be, it is likely that the pat-down would detect what you are hiding.

I am very against the TSA doing this, and I'm against the porn machines too. But I think it is a fair argument that in some ways, they make air travel "safer" - but at the cost of violating our natural rights.

Sadly, I can't argue any further than that. I'd like to argue that it's the only way to keep us safe. I'd like to argue that it's the most effective way too. Nope, it obviously is not. But let's keep it fair - having somebody touching your entire body will result in more unwanted objects being found than just having somebody walk past a metal detector.

[Patrick Henry]

All that I can say is that I am willing to have planes blow up than sacrifice any shred of liberty.

[Anti Federalist]

Am I wrong in how I would rather have planes blow up etc..., then give away any of my liberties? Keep in mind, this goes for anything. IOW, nukes in cities etc..

No, you are not wrong.

The risk of being blown up in a "terrorist" attack is about a 1000 times less than getting killed on the highway driving to the airport, assuming a 1 hour 50 mile drive.

Our fellow Americunts are the ones who are wrong on this.

Silly, scared, pants pissing crybabies who, like Franklin's adage says, will not get, nor will they deserve liberty or safety.

[Anti Federalist]

Explosives can be secreted away in vaginal and anal cavities. Suicide bombers have already used this method.

Is the answer to that full chest Xrays or anal and vaginal probes?

Vaginal probes for children?

Look, the corporate world is going down this same road.

They, and we, have been sold a bill of goods, a false idea, that life can go on with no risks, that, in the words of a CEO I know, "A zero accident workplace is possible".

Well yes, sure it is, possible, but at an unacceptable loss of productivity. In the final analysis, if you want a zero accident workplace, especially in an inherently dangerous environment such as the one I work in, your only choice is to wrap everybody up in bubble wrap, send them home, and lock the doors.

Mission accomplished.

Nothing in the world is more heavily regulated and "safety" conscious, to the point of absurdity, than these three things: US nuclear submarines, commercial air travel, and manned space missions.

Two of these three could never turn a profit in the real world based on cost/risk analysis.

The middle one hangs on only through government subsidies and bailouts.

And all three suffer major accidents with loss of life, in spite of truckloads of top heavy paperwork, rules, regulations, codes, checklists and forms.

Good fucking grief, this is America, everything we've done was based on insane risk, just getting here 100 years ago, let alone 300 years ago, was an extraordinary risk.

Nothing good is accomplished without risk.

What the fuck have we become, to be such pussies about everything anymore?

My god, just the collective stick up everybody's ass about a tiny piece of burning, shredded plant matter should be enough to wake everybody up to the problem.

None of us get out of here alive, we're all worm food in the end.

What we do with life, determines our worth.

And a risk free life is not a life, it is a prison sentence.


Ok, I'm willing to examine the flip side. What if we are all wrong? What if the government actually does care about us and our safety? What if terrorism is a threat? What if Obama really is seeing in his daily briefings a tremendous threat to airlines?

I think if we're FAIR, we can admit that TSA agents touching our entire bodies would keep terrorists from sneaking lots of things past security. Not EVERYTHING mind you, but if you have something up your pants or near your penis or whatever the case may be, it is likely that the pat-down would detect what you are hiding.

I am very against the TSA doing this, and I'm against the porn machines too. But I think it is a fair argument that in some ways, they make air travel "safer" - but at the cost of violating our natural rights.

Sadly, I can't argue any further than that. I'd like to argue that it's the only way to keep us safe. I'd like to argue that it's the most effective way too. Nope, it obviously is not. But let's keep it fair - having somebody touching your entire body will result in more unwanted objects being found than just having somebody walk past a metal detector.

[qh4dotcom]

The TSA patdowns are disgusting and abusive but I look at it this way since there is nothing I can do to stop this. First, thousands of folks who voted for Obama are being molested by the TSA, no need to feel sorry for them, they are getting the change that they voted for. Second, something has to wake them up, something has to make them realize that liberty is more important than security. If a government employee groping their genitals and the genitals of their family / children doesn't wake them up, I don't know what else will.

Sadly, there is a price that needs to be paid for waking up the sheeple.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Just curious.

Anybody?

Usually there is at least one devil's advocate out there.

I'd seriously like to see the argument.

OK I'll give you a devils advocate to totally freaking out a young kid: I worked EMS when I was just out of - well, thinking of it in my last part of HS... and was doing a ER rotation. This YOUNG kid came in, young... maybe in the 5-7yo range... So he was hurting and according to the doc NEEDED some shot to keep him alive - he was obviously hurting... there were like 6 of us trying to hold him down and I got to be the "heavy" on top - trying to press him down so we could give him an IM.... Immobilize him... he started screaming about my hurting him, so I eased up at which point he started thrashing so I had to press down harder - then we were able to immobilize him enough to get the IM shot in the kid... (think broken needles - we NEEDED the kid to be still - for a sec or two...)

So am I a thug? - I was trying to help the kid and acting under orders of a doc in concert with MOST of the ER staff on duty at that time???? Still - he HATED it and tried to fight it off...

IDK...

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

The TSA patdowns are disgusting and abusive but I look at it this way since there is nothing I can do to stop this. First, thousands of folks who voted for Obama are being molested by the TSA, no need to feel sorry for them, they are getting the change that they voted for. Second, something has to wake them up, something has to make them realize that liberty is more important than security. If a government employee groping their genitals and the genitals of their family / children doesn't wake them up, I don't know what else will.

Sadly, there is a price that needs to be paid for waking up the sheeple.

Yeah - except, unfortunatly they will BLAME IT ON BUSH!!!!

-t

[>shaw]

I'm not sure if this was already mentioned.

But from what I understand after 9/11(which was staged) the doors to the cockpit were HEAVILY reinforced the pilots will not open the door to ANYONE no matter how many hostages are killed.


So a hijacking is not a possibilty.

Indeed they could still blow the plane up!
However a terrorist group can already blow buses, movie theaters and all kinds of shit up.
So to argue for tsa body scanners/molestation at airports you may as well be in favor of the same thing for buses and walking into high populated buildings

[Anti Federalist]

But from what I understand after 9/11(which was staged) the doors to the cockpit were HEAVILY reinforced the pilots will not open the door to ANYONE no matter how many hostages are killed.

So to argue for tsa body scanners/molestation at airports you may as well be in favor of the same thing for buses and walking into high populated buildings

Welcome aboard Shaw.

And yes, 9/11 was a staged false flag.

That said, you can count on it.

TSA already has plans to roll out airport style "security" all across the country, trains, subways, buses, highways, large public gatherings...

It's stop it right here, right now, or resign yourself and your 8 year old daughters to being felt up by a government "officer" on the side of some dark road somewhere.

[moostraks]

Welcome aboard Shaw.

And yes, 9/11 was a staged false flag.

That said, you can count on it.

TSA already has plans to roll out airport style "security" all across the country, trains, subways, buses, highways, large public gatherings...

It's stop it right here, right now, or resign yourself and your 8 year old daughters to being felt up by a government "officer" on the side of some dark road somewhere.

Hey AF I talked about a situation at my local juvenile jail by a TSA agent in training who works for the local sheriff's department. She was pissed at us for my not wanting to comply with removing my glasses and she spat out how we better get used to these invasive searches because they are going to be instituted everywhere and we would be forced to comply. This is a small town, low level sheriff's department hack making those comments and just relishing the power trip of control they think they will control. I was shocked to hear it from someone so local as it brought all the 'conspiracy theories' on it home as opposed to some distant individual supposing of some slippery slopes. They are training these megalomaniac jerks already to make us comply....

[Anti Federalist]

Hey AF I talked about a situation at my local juvenile jail by a TSA agent in training who works for the local sheriff's department. She was pissed at us for my not wanting to comply with removing my glasses and she spat out how we better get used to these invasive searches because they are going to be instituted everywhere and we would be forced to comply. This is a small town, low level sheriff's department hack making those comments and just relishing the power trip of control they think they will control. I was shocked to hear it from someone so local as it brought all the 'conspiracy theories' on it home as opposed to some distant individual supposing of some slippery slopes. They are training these megalomaniac jerks already to make us comply....

Thank you for posting that!!!

While sorry to hear about your encounter with the local Hauptscharführer it's certainly an eye opener.

Do you mind if I re-post this around the interwebz?

[eric_cartman]

barry defends them

YouTube - Obama Tells Americans: Get in Line and Get Your TSA Gropings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3ZvVtWnAPU)

[moostraks]

Thank you for posting that!!!

While sorry to hear about your encounter with the local Hauptscharführer it's certainly an eye opener.

Do you mind if I re-post this around the interwebz?

Nope...feel free!

[Anti Federalist]

OK I'll give you a devils advocate to totally freaking out a young kid: I worked EMS when I was just out of - well, thinking of it in my last part of HS... and was doing a ER rotation. This YOUNG kid came in, young... maybe in the 5-7yo range... So he was hurting and according to the doc NEEDED some shot to keep him alive - he was obviously hurting... there were like 6 of us trying to hold him down and I got to be the "heavy" on top - trying to press him down so we could give him an IM.... Immobilize him... he started screaming about my hurting him, so I eased up at which point he started thrashing so I had to press down harder - then we were able to immobilize him enough to get the IM shot in the kid... (think broken needles - we NEEDED the kid to be still - for a sec or two...)

So am I a thug? - I was trying to help the kid and acting under orders of a doc in concert with MOST of the ER staff on duty at that time???? Still - he HATED it and tried to fight it off...

IDK...

-t

In this case, no, it would be the same as restraining someone from hurting themselves during an epileptic seizure.

Not restraining them so you could feel them up.

Apples and bowling balls as far as I'm concerned,

[HOLLYWOOD]

BOYCOTT AIRPORT AND AIR TRAVEL ALL TOGETHER.

Take the money away from the TSA, Airlines, and Airports, and you'll see just how fast things change.

[Anti Federalist]

barry defends them

YouTube - Obama Tells Americans: Get in Line and Get Your TSA Gropings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3ZvVtWnAPU)

Yah, fuck him, too.

He'll never have to suffer through one, or his daughters, or his wife.

Now, be silent, Mundane.

[amy31416]

BOYCOTT AIRPORT AND AIR TRAVEL ALL TOGETHER.

Take the money away from the TSA, Airlines, and Airports, and you'll see just how fast things change.

I certainly support such a boycott, but I suspect the gov't will just bail them out.

[jmdrake]

The Israelis COULD TEACH PEOPLE ABOUT EFFECTIVE SECURITY WITHOUT ALL THE INVASIVE STUFF . In Europe , you do not take your shoes off .

:rolleyes: No. Profiling wasn't needed to stop the "undie bomber" and it wouldn't have worked either. He wasn't middle eastern, had only recently become muslim, and came from a country that was not known for Islamic extremism. Plus he didn't board an airplane in the U.S.

Here's the deal. His dad told us ahead of time he was a terrorist. That's all the intelligence that was needed. No "profiling", no "pat downs" and no "porno scans". Our government made the conscious decision not to revoke his Visa or to put him on their silly "no fly" list.

The answer to terrorism (assuming it's not all "inside jobs" anyway) is simple. Hold the politicians and civil servants accountable for their "failures". In the old days if a soldier fell asleep on guard duty he was given a court martial and then shot. Now if a TSA agent leaves his post and two star crossed lovers steal a kiss at the airport, nothing happens to him, but a nationwide search is launched for the "lip bandit".

[Anti Federalist]

:rolleyes: No. Profiling wasn't needed to stop the "undie bomber" and it wouldn't have worked either. He wasn't middle eastern, had only recently become muslim, and came from a country that was not known for Islamic extremism. Plus he didn't board an airplane in the U.S.

Here's the deal. His dad told us ahead of time he was a terrorist. That's all the intelligence that was needed. No "profiling", no "pat downs" and no "porno scans". Our government made the conscious decision not to revoke his Visa or to put him on their silly "no fly" list.

The answer to terrorism (assuming it's not all "inside jobs" anyway) is simple. Hold the politicians and civil servants accountable for their "failures". In the old days if a soldier fell asleep on guard duty he was given a court martial and then shot. Now if a TSA agent leaves his post and two star crossed lovers steal a kiss at the airport, nothing happens to him, but a nationwide search is launched for the "lip bandit".

And provided government cover for him to board a plane, with no passport no screening and a personal government assistant.

[jmdrake]

And provided government cover for him to board a plane, with no passport no screening and a personal government assistant.

Yep. I'm familiar with the "sharp dressed man" part of the story. Of course some of our more conspiracyphobic brethren get nervous when we bring stuff like that up. ;) Still, even with the part of the story that the MSM is willing to admit, the whole undie bomber thing stinks to high heaven.