I was banned from resistnet.com for standing against the coopting of the Tea Party

[GunnyFreedom]

I was banned from resistnet resistnet.com for standing against the coopting of the Tea Party

Someone posted a thread to the extent that the Tea Parties should start to push for using government force to enforce church doctrine at the point of a government gun. I used detailed and sourced arguments from church doctrine and scripture to demonstrate that they were acting like 21st Pharisees and will thus incur the wrath of God upon our nation and our movement.

Bill Bissell, moderator, began systematically deleting my posts trying to silence my argument, and I called him out on his hypocrisy. Darla Dawald (Darla, ADMIN / National Director) then suspended my account.

Resistnet.com is a fake Tea Party movement attempting to use the newly found Tea party clout on the national scene to force government to enforce church doctrine at the point of a government gun.

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For those of you who chance upon this message via Google Search, beware of resistnet.com -- they are trying to leverage our recent tea party victories to enforce Christian morality at the point of a government gun. This is exactly what the Pharisees did in the 1st century that earned them the wrath of God, and if we buy into the snake oil that these 21st century pharisees are trying to sell us, then it will earn us the wrath of God as well.

I am a devout Christian, I attended Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, I taught Adult Sunday School in a Southern Baptist Church, and I led worship in that same church. I was banned because I refused to participate in their Pharisaic effort to derail the Tea Party movement, and stood up for you against their attempts to coopt us. If you ask, they will tell you that I am a liberal and a heathen. They are liars. Do not be deceived.

I am an iCaucus and Republican Liberty Caucus endorsed candidate for NC State House, and I won my election and will be sworn in to my new office in mere weeks. Resistnet.com Resistnet would rather destroy the Tea Party movement than to see it flourish in a way that does not suit them. Approach with extreme caution!

[klamath]

Do they know that you are a state rep?

[erowe1]

Resistnet has been part of the coopting from the beginning. That's its purpose.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ResistNet

[marc1888]

Hey Glen,

Theocrats are alive and well and in our area very much involved in the tea party. I didnt get involved with them locally for that very reason. They dont hate big govt. They just hate they dont pull the levers.

They would goose step happily into the talibanization of the United States.






I was banned from resistnet resistnet.com for standing against the coopting of the Tea Party

Someone posted a thread to the extent that the Tea Parties should start to push for using government force to enforce church doctrine at the point of a government gun. I used detailed and sourced arguments from church doctrine and scripture to demonstrate that they were acting like 21st Pharisees and will thus incur the wrath of God upon our nation and our movement.

Bill Bissell, moderator, began systematically deleting my posts trying to silence my argument, and I called him out on his hypocrisy. Darla Dawald (Darla, ADMIN / National Director) then suspended my account.

Resistnet.com is a fake Tea Party movement attempting to use the newly found Tea party clout on the national scene to force government to enforce church doctrine at the point of a government gun.

The following all point to resistnet.com front page:

Fake Tea Party (http://www.resistnet.com/) hypocrites (http://www.resistnet.com/) pharisees (http://www.resistnet.com/) coopted tea party (http://www.resistnet.com/) opposed to liberty (http://www.resistnet.com/) opposed to freedom (http://www.resistnet.com/) liars (http://www.resistnet.com/) authoritarians (http://www.resistnet.com/) ungodly (http://www.resistnet.com/) destroy the tea party (http://www.resistnet.com/) destroying the tea party (http://www.resistnet.com/)

For those of you who chance upon this message via Google Search, beware of resistnet.com -- they are trying to leverage our recent tea party victories to enforce Christian morality at the point of a government gun. This is exactly what the Pharisees did in the 1st century that earned them the wrath of God, and if we buy into the snake oil that these 21st century pharisees are trying to sell us, then it will earn us the wrath of God as well.

I am a devout Christian, I attended Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, I taught Adult Sunday School in a Southern Baptist Church, and I led worship in that same church. I was banned because I refused to participate in their Pharisaic effort to derail the Tea Party movement, and stood up for you against their attempts to coopt us. If you ask, they will tell you that I am a liberal and a heathen. They are liars. Do not be deceived.

I am an iCaucus and Republican Liberty Caucus endorsed candidate for NC State House, and I won my election and will be sworn in to my new office in mere weeks. Resistnet.com Resistnet would rather destroy the Tea Party movement than to see it flourish in a way that does not suit them. Approach with extreme caution!

[fisharmor]

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

Keep on preachin'.

[erowe1]

//

[TonySutton]

Get Anonymous after them :P

[GunnyFreedom]

Do they know that you are a state rep?

They do, I don't think they care. They would rather see the whole movement in ruins than to not be in control of it. They can and will be stopped in that effort. We were here doing the work before they even thought of getting angry. We stood up to oppose President Bush while their members were still complacent. The fundamentals are on our side, as well as the skills and expertise to isolate them on the web.

I think the straw that broke the camel's back was when I pointed out that everywhere in the US where the Tea Party sought to become the morality police, the tea party candidates lost, but wherever the Tea Parties stuck to the issues of the Constitution and restoring Constitutional government the tea party candidates won -- that is almost certainly due to God blessing ans cursing whom He will, and he has made His will plain for us to see.

That's when they started going apoplectic. :D

[Travlyr]

Resistnet.com is a fake Tea Party movement attempting to use the newly found Tea party clout on the national scene to force government to enforce church doctrine at the point of a government gun.



Good to know. Thanks for the heads-up. :cool:

[GunnyFreedom]

Hey Glen,

Theocrats are alive and well and in our area very much involved in the tea party. I didnt get involved with them locally for that very reason. They dont hate big govt. They just hate they dont pull the levers.

They would goose step happily into the talibanization of the United States.

Well, to be honest the REAL Theocrats would fight for almost zero government at all. I know it seems on the surface like a 'Theocrat' should try to impose morality and doctrine upon 'the unwashed masses' but God kinda made it blatantly clear that he did not approve of that sort of nonsense when He condemned the Pharisees.

I consider these people to be fake theocrats trying to enforce their personal will in the hopes of establishing personal comfort against the will of God.

More neocon than theocrat, as correctly stated in one of the posts above. :D

[GunnyFreedom]

Resistnet has been part of the coopting from the beginning. That's its purpose.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ResistNet (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ResistNet)

Well, iCaucus is allegedly a partner site, but iCaucus has been MORE than great in every aspect that I have seen. I can only imagine that it is operated by a completely different set of leadership.

[specsaregood]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2313/2256460182_70cba9f45a.jpg

[Krugerrand]

Well, to be honest the REAL Theocrats would fight for almost zero government at all. I know it seems on the surface like a 'Theocrat' should try to impose morality and doctrine upon 'the unwashed masses' but God kinda made it blatantly clear that he did not approve of that sort of nonsense when He condemned the Pharisees.

I consider these people to be fake theocrats trying to enforce their personal will in the hopes of establishing personal comfort against the will of God.

More neocon than theocrat, as correctly stated in one of the posts above. :D
It does seem odd that somebody who professes a god that created man with free will would endorse usurping that free will by means of the government.

[GunnyFreedom]

Keep on preachin'.

Amen brother!

I think one of the reasons there is so much antipathy towards Christianity amongst the liberty movement today, is because most churches have been coopted and perverted. This notion of enforcing church doctrine at the point of a government gun is one clear example of that coopting.

It is more than rare to find "gospel truth" in our world anymore. Almost the entire church has become pharisees. There are exceptions, such as Pastor Chuck Baldwin, and they stand out in stark contrast.

[erowe1]

Well, iCaucus is allegedly a partner site, but iCaucus has been MORE than great in every aspect that I have seen. I can only imagine that it is operated by a completely different set of leadership.

Partner meaning they cooperate on some things, or meaning they're two subsidiaries of one larger group, like grassfire?

If it's just the former, then I don't think that means anything. I know tons of these tea party events get co-sponsored by a bunch of different otherwise unaffiliated groups.

[GunnyFreedom]

Get Anonymous after them :P

LOL -- meh, it is their private property, and I believe in property rights no matter what I think of them. I also believe in shutting down their efforts to coopt the tea party and pervert the true meaning of Christ through free speech efforts which do not violate their property rights. Fortunately, I'm sort of good at that. :D

[Clairvoyant]

They do, I don't think they care. They would rather see the whole movement in ruins than to not be in control of it. They can and will be stopped in that effort. We were here doing the work before they even thought of getting angry. We stood up to oppose President Bush while their members were still complacent. The fundamentals are on our side, as well as the skills and expertise to isolate them on the web.

I think the straw that broke the camel's back was when I pointed out that everywhere in the US where the Tea Party sought to become the morality police, the tea party candidates lost, but wherever the Tea Parties stuck to the issues of the Constitution and restoring Constitutional government the tea party candidates won -- that is almost certainly due to God blessing ans cursing whom He will, and he has made His will plain for us to see.

That's when they started going apoplectic. :D

What makes you think you have control of it now, or ever did?

[GunnyFreedom]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2313/2256460182_70cba9f45a.jpg

Or, at least a voluntaryist. ;)

But yeah. He would be HORRIFIED at this idea of enforcing church doctrine at the end of a government gun. No question about it. He spent more time condemning Pharisees in the 1st century than pretty much anything else. Clearly there was a reason for that.

[GunnyFreedom]

What makes you think you have control of it now, or ever did?

the only thing I have control over is my own actions. not sure what you are trying to say here.

[GunnyFreedom]

Partner meaning they cooperate on some things, or meaning they're two subsidiaries of one larger group, like grassfire?

If it's just the former, then I don't think that means anything. I know tons of these tea party events get co-sponsored by a bunch of different otherwise unaffiliated groups.

Thanks, that makes sense. In any case, I continue to wholeheartedly support iCaucus until they (hopefully never!) demonstrate having been coopted in a similar fashion.

[angelatc]

Anytime I see a Grassfire logo I move on. Several years ago, they collected a bunch of signatures on a petition, then attached them to an entirely different petition.

On the other hand, Source Watch is a pretty partisian site: look up the accolades they've lavished on Soros.


George Soros, international financier, billionaire investor, and "founder of a network of philanthropic organizations," has concentrated both personal effort and his financial wealth since 2002 to criticism of what he calls the Bush administration's "Bubble of American Supremacy."

Not a word about his efforts to assume control of the elections by buying the Secretary Of State positions.

[Sola_Fide]

Well, to be honest the REAL Theocrats would fight for almost zero government at all. I know it seems on the surface like a 'Theocrat' should try to impose morality and doctrine upon 'the unwashed masses' but God kinda made it blatantly clear that he did not approve of that sort of nonsense when He condemned the Pharisees.

I consider these people to be fake theocrats trying to enforce their personal will in the hopes of establishing personal comfort against the will of God.

More neocon than theocrat, as correctly stated in one of the posts above. :D


Exactly Glen!

Glenn gets it!

[GunnyFreedom]

Anytime I see a Grassfire logo I move on. Several years ago, they collected a bunch of signatures on a petition, then attached them to an entirely different petition.

Wow, that's crazy crooked! self righteousness sure leads people to do some insane things.


On the other hand, Source Watch is a pretty partisian site: look up the accolades they've lavished on Soros.



Not a word about his efforts to assume control of the elections by buying the Secretary Of State positions.

lol I know right?

[GunnyFreedom]

Exactly Glen!

Glenn gets it!

Thanks -- I can understand how people might be confused though, way too many Christians nowadays have themselves set up as god. They want to believe in a god who conforms to THEIR will, rather than them conforming to God. That is what has led to our current culture of decline both of government and the western church.

I don't fault my fellows in the liberty movement for drawing the wrong conclusions here. The pharisees and pretenders have made it awful hard to discern the truth.

[erowe1]

On the other hand, Source Watch is a pretty partisian site: look up the accolades they've lavished on Soros.



Not a word about his efforts to assume control of the elections by buying the Secretary Of State positions.

Thanks for that tip. I just googled resistnet astroturf when I saw this thread and sourcewatch happened to be the most promising link that popped up. I remembered reading about their associations in the past when I learned about a tea party they sponsored in Ft. Wayne where the leaders told a CFL rep she couldn't pass out CFL lit there.

[Sola_Fide]

Thanks -- I can understand how people might be confused though, way too many Christians nowadays have themselves set up as god. They want to believe in a god who conforms to THEIR will, rather than them conforming to God. That is what has led to our current culture of decline both of government and the western church.

I don't fault my fellows in the liberty movement from drawing the wrong conclusions here. The pharisees and pretenders have made it awful hard to discern the truth.

Amen brother!

[dannno]

Just so you know I've never really done the whole blogging thing before..

Well, here it is.. let me know if I screwed up (especially gunny or josh)

http://defeattheprogressos.blogspot.com/

[HOLLYWOOD]

17 hours in they shut the thread down... I can't debate or add anything, sneaky hacks




No question about it. If we don't stand for MORALITY, we're done. God
put this nation here for HIS purposes. If we remain turned away from God
and HIS morality, we're done. Period.

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I am on their Daily... Fighting Ignorance, PROPAGANDA, NEOCONS, WAR ZEALOTS, The Megaphone, etc...

Frankly, I'm truly surprised that I haven't been BANNED from the site.

Just for the Record (Easy Reading)

The site is created by a group called Grassfire.org (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/index.php?title=Grassfire.org_Alliance), a conservative issues advocacy group set up by Shirley & Banister Public Affairs (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/index.php?title=Shirley_%26_Banister_Public_Affair s). The president of Shirley & Bannister Public Affairs is Craig Shirley (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/index.php?title=Craig_Shirley), a long-time Republican PR operative.

The "National Coordinator" of both grassfire.org and ResistNet is Darla Dawald (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/index.php?title=Darla_Dawald&action=edit&redlink=1). Dawald blogs at Patriot’s Heart Media Network (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/index.php?title=Patriot%E2%80%99s_Heart_Media_Netw ork&action=edit&redlink=1).

Resistnet also links prominently to http://www.flipthishouse2010.com/ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/index.php?title=FlipthisHouse2010.com&action=edit&redlink=1), another website of the "Grassfire Nation."

FLIP, as used on the website, is an acronym for: "F-Free Markets, L-Limited Government, I-Individual & Family Liberties, P-Private Property & Prosperity." While the site claims not to be partisan, its proponents want liberal and progressive politicians to lose elections.




ResistNet lists the following "Resources, Links, Partners, and Like-Minded Organizations"

An American Revival
Anystreet.org [modernconservative.com|http://www.modernconservative.com/index.php (http://www.modernconservative.com/index.php)]
[asamom.org] "A Sisterhood of Mommy Patriots"
Moms for America
Question Obama
Independence Caucus
Tea Party Express <=== Another Neocon GOP operative controlled hijacker
912 Project (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/index.php?title=912_Project)

[LisaNY]

Let's hope you were able to enlighten at least one person before your posts got deleted.

[GunnyFreedom]

Just so you know I've never really done the whole blogging thing before..

Well, here it is.. let me know if I screwed up (especially gunny or josh)

http://defeattheprogressos.blogspot.com/ (http://defeattheprogressos.blogspot.com/)

Thanks man you rock! Here's hoping that this turns into a major "OOPS" moment for these people trying to coopt our movement into some bizarre form of government enforced Christianity. Not only are they violating the precepts of good government by doing so, they are also violating the precepts of Christianity. By marginalizing them, we are fighting for both good government and a healthy church with integrity.

Your article is perfect, I am honored, and humbled by the support. Thanks!

[GunnyFreedom]

Let's hope you were able to enlighten at least one person before your posts got deleted.

To be honest, I would imagine that the act of deleting all my posts probably enlightened more people even than my arguments did. ;) :D I have no doubt that there were many people reading them saying to themselves "hey that sounds reasonable even if I don't agree" but then when all my posts got deleted (including the ones where I was pushing for restoring the Constitution during my campaign) there was probably this 'hey, wait a second' moment where cognitive dissonance gives rise to a decision to open or close.

For Christian minds, it will be hard to avoid (at some level) the obvious implication of my having been 'crucified' for delivering the truth. For libertarian minds, it's like in 'Stranger In A Strange Land' where Michael Valentine was stoned to death during the final blow-off. Psychologically the effect is the same. Banning me was the best thing they could have done at that point to help promote my message.

Sadly, of course, hours and hours of laborious work in laying our sound arguments is now lost, but the argument itself is founded on truth, and therefore it cannot ever be deleted.

[GunnyFreedom]

OOOhhhhh now a subtle threat has now come my way by e-mail! :D

These people are willing to "scorched earth" burn the very people who are doing the real work to save our nation to preserve their little echo chamber bubble intact. Frankly I hope they do run and "tattletale" to the House caucus leadership. What better way to develop "street cred" with the establishment GOP than to be the subject of an attack from an alleged "Tea Party" group? :D


Glen,

If I recall, you were just elected to the NC House, therefore, one would think you had other primary issues as opposed to what appears to be threatening revenge on a website that you were removed from for disrespectful comments made to our members. I would ask you to bear in mind that in this digital age, what you write can be easily tracked and is recorded for posterity. If I were you, I'd think really seriously about retracting your threats because that isn't very attractive in an elected official.

"we will take you down"....huh? Do the Republican Committee members know you talk like that to Conservatives?

By the way, we did not stifle dissent-you were the only one removed because you are the only one who chose to made the choice to insult our members. The rest of the folks who had a contrary view are still there. You weren't removed for dissent, you were removed for disrespect to our members.

Incidentally, the tea party did not start in 2007, you are mistaken. It started in 2008 after the election and took off in 2009 after Rick Santelli's speech. You are confusing the Ron Paul Revolution people with the Tea Party. The revolution people joined the tea party groups when the tea party formed-the Tea Party people did not join the Ron Paul Revolution.

Dee

Saving this nation IS my only issue, and your organization of neoconservatives now stands in my way. Neoconservatism is a radical LEFT philosophy originating with the communist Leo Trotsky. Your philosophy reveals you to be no conservative but a Trotskyite. I have no qualms about shutting down the radical left. If you would like to make good on your veiled threat, then I will be more than glad to provide you with the contact information for the NC GOP House Caucus leadership candidates.

If you don't like what happened, then you should discipline your moderator for deleting my non-aggressive arguments to try and shape the debate. It is now clear to me that you are trying to destroy the Tea Party and by extension the United States. You turned a blind eye to your own moderator deleting my nonaggressive arguments in an effort to shape the debate and when I called him out on it you banned my account. That has perfectly clarified for me exactly where you stand.

I got involved in the first place and won my election to the NC State House because I became outraged at the overt destruction of our nation. I am now fighting that destruction from within the NC State House. I will make no less of an effort to stop the covert destruction of our nation and the church now being perpetrated by your organization. The fact that you had to delete every post I have ever made on your site to win your argument speaks volumes.

Once I was accused of being an unchristian liberal infiltrator bent on derailing the Tea Party and creating division in the movement because I opposed your socialist call to action, I responded with the following:

"Apparently there is. A group has recently emerged from the Tea Party movement which appears to want to enforce Church doctrine at the point of a government gun. Abortion is not a 'social' issue, it is a legal issue like murder and other crimes of aggression. But there is a recent push for the government enforcement of social issues coming from the Tea Party which is no different from what the Pharisees did in the 1st Century. They are building this wall to divide and separate us, and if they are successful it will destroy us all."

Which your moderator promptly deleted. He then began to go back through my posts deleting the salient points I had been making. Your Moderator Bill Bissell didn't like the fact that I was winning the argument through sound, rational, reasoned, and nonaggressive debate so he went to delete my arguments so that he could declare victory.

If that is OK with you, then you have demonstrated your organization as an enemy of America, and enemy of God, and an enemy of honesty and integrity.

This has nothing to do with revenge, but a sincere effort to prevent other well intended patriots like myself from getting suckered into your organization and being driven away from the path required to save our nation.

Do not mislead yourself as to my motivation. I have given up my entire life to pursue my goal of restoring the Constitutional order, and I will gladly lay down my life to do just that. I have no motivation for revenge, but to accomplish my mission of saving America. You have demonstrated your organization to be opposed to that mission, and therefore your organization stands as a roadblock between here and a truly restored America and a faithful believe church with integrity.

I will lay all that I am on the line to save the nation I love, and I wall lay even more than that to preserve the faith to which I subscribe. If you want to make yourselves enemies of my mission, then I will not allow you to stand in my way.

You can perhaps imagine that this is about revenge if you like, and if that helps you sleep at night. Doing so will probably help you to blame me for what will be happening over the course of the next two months. The bottom line is I don't care about your or your organization, I only care about saving our nation from the abyss. Your organization stands in the way of that mission at it's own peril.

Now you go ahead and save and log this message as a threat and push it onto the media in the hopes of destroying the reelection prospects of perhaps one of the most dedicated strict constitutionalist elected officials in the nation. Go ahead and contact the NC State House GOP leadership and try your best to prevent myself - a genuine Constitutionalist - from restoring the Constitutional order. I know you want to, and that just proves my point as to what you really are.

If God is with me, who then can stand against me? I have already endured untold attacks from the radical left and came through unscathed and victorious. I have already been the target of $130,000 worth of attack ads and I won. All you will accomplish is to marginalize your own organization, so do please do just that.

You make a grave error in assuming this is about me. This is about a nation on the brink, and you attempt to prevent our restoration. Your subtle threat here to tell the House Caucus all the mean things that I have done to preserve the integrity of our nation and the Church from your subversion of it in the hopes of marginalizing my efforts to restore the Constitutional order verifies everything that I have thought and said.

I hope you think long and hard on this, and go to God and ask why you are so deeply motivated to block and prevent those people who are actually doing the work to restore this nation instead of just talking about it. You now have a choice of hardening your heart and stiffening your neck, or opening yourself to God and accepting the fact that you are in error. Your decision will determine your future. May God bless you with a revelation of the truth.

[LisaNY]

Wow, they DID threaten you. How very christian of them.

[klamath]

OOOhhhhh now a subtle threat has now come my way by e-mail! :D

These people are willing to "scorched earth" burn the very people who are doing the real work to save our nation to preserve their little echo chamber bubble intact. Frankly I hope they do run and "tattletale" to the House caucus leadership. What better way to develop "street cred" with the establishment GOP than to be the subject of an attack from an alleged "Tea Party" group? :D



Saving this nation IS my only issue, and your organization of neoconservatives now stands in my way. Neoconservatism is a radical LEFT philosophy originating with the communist Leo Trotsky. Your philosophy reveals you to be no conservative but a Trotskyite. I have no qualms about shutting down the radical left. If you would like to make good on your veiled threat, then I will be more than glad to provide you with the contact information for the NC GOP House Caucus leadership candidates.

If you don't like what happened, then you should discipline your moderator for deleting my non-aggressive arguments to try and shape the debate. It is now clear to me that you are trying to destroy the Tea Party and by extension the United States. You turned a blind eye to your own moderator deleting my nonaggressive arguments in an effort to shape the debate and when I called him out on it you banned my account. That has perfectly clarified for me exactly where you stand.

I got involved in the first place and won my election to the NC State House because I became outraged at the overt destruction of our nation. I am now fighting that destruction from within the NC State House. I will make no less of an effort to stop the covert destruction of our nation and the church now being perpetrated by your organization. The fact that you had to delete every post I have ever made on your site to win your argument speaks volumes.

Once I was accused of being an unchristian liberal infiltrator bent on derailing the Tea Party and creating division in the movement because I opposed your socialist call to action, I responded with the following:

"Apparently there is. A group has recently emerged from the Tea Party movement which appears to want to enforce Church doctrine at the point of a government gun. Abortion is not a 'social' issue, it is a legal issue like murder and other crimes of aggression. But there is a recent push for the government enforcement of social issues coming from the Tea Party which is no different from what the Pharisees did in the 1st Century. They are building this wall to divide and separate us, and if they are successful it will destroy us all."

Which your moderator promptly deleted. He then began to go back through my posts deleting the salient points I had been making. Your Moderator Bill Bissell didn't like the fact that I was winning the argument through sound, rational, reasoned, and nonaggressive debate so he went to delete my arguments so that he could declare victory.

If that is OK with you, then you have demonstrated your organization as an enemy of America, and enemy of God, and an enemy of honesty and integrity.

This has nothing to do with revenge, but a sincere effort to prevent other well intended patriots like myself from getting suckered into your organization and being driven away from the path required to save our nation.

Do not mislead yourself as to my motivation. I have given up my entire life to pursue my goal of restoring the Constitutional order, and I will gladly lay down my life to do just that. I have no motivation for revenge, but to accomplish my mission of saving America. You have demonstrated your organization to be opposed to that mission, and therefore your organization stands as a roadblock between here and a truly restored America and a faithful believe church with integrity.

I will lay all that I am on the line to save the nation I love, and I wall lay even more than that to preserve the faith to which I subscribe. If you want to make yourselves enemies of my mission, then I will not allow you to stand in my way.

You can perhaps imagine that this is about revenge if you like, and if that helps you sleep at night. Doing so will probably help you to blame me for what will be happening over the course of the next two months. The bottom line is I don't care about your or your organization, I only care about saving our nation from the abyss. Your organization stands in the way of that mission at it's own peril.

Now you go ahead and save and log this message as a threat and push it onto the media in the hopes of destroying the reelection prospects of perhaps one of the most dedicated strict constitutionalist elected officials in the nation. Go ahead and contact the NC State House GOP leadership and try your best to prevent myself - a genuine Constitutionalist - from restoring the Constitutional order. I know you want to, and that just proves my point as to what you really are.

If God is with me, who then can stand against me? I have already endured untold attacks from the radical left and came through unscathed and victorious. I have already been the target of $130,000 worth of attack ads and I won. All you will accomplish is to marginalize your own organization, so do please do just that.

You make a grave error in assuming this is about me. This is about a nation on the brink, and you attempt to prevent our restoration. Your subtle threat here to tell the House Caucus all the mean things that I have done to preserve the integrity of our nation and the Church from your subversion of it in the hopes of marginalizing my efforts to restore the Constitutional order verifies everything that I have thought and said.

I hope you think long and hard on this, and go to God and ask why you are so deeply motivated to block and prevent those people who are actually doing the work to restore this nation instead of just talking about it. You now have a choice of hardening your heart and stiffening your neck, or opening yourself to God and accepting the fact that you are in error. Your decision will determine your future. May God bless you with a revelation of the truth.

Is this what you wrote her back? Very good. I see she didn't post any examples of your insults to their members.

[dannno]

Incidentally, the tea party did not start in 2007, you are mistaken. It started in 2008 after the election and took off in 2009 after Rick Santelli's speech. You are confusing the Ron Paul Revolution people with the Tea Party. The revolution people joined the tea party groups when the tea party formed-the Tea Party people did not join the Ron Paul Revolution.


Amazing...

[torchbearer]

Amazing...

yup.

[GunnyFreedom]

Is this what you wrote her back? Very good. I see she didn't post any examples of your insults to their members.

It is, and thanks! Between myself and their organization, it is clear who believes in transparency and who does not. Even when I risk being in error, I have no problems laying it out there for all the world to see. What exactly is resistnet hiding anyway?

I was the only one banned from that thread because I was the most effective person at tearing down their argument in the debate. If they can ban me, it might scare the sheeple into compliance. ;)

I think they have misunderestimated the force of truth amongst the disgruntled people of America today. :D

PS - I just heard that Nancy Pelosi won her seat as Minority Leader. HURRAH! Nothing but nothing else could spell better prospects for 2012 than that. Now all we need to do is prep a massive wave of Paulers to run for office. :D

[GunnyFreedom]

Amazing...

LOL yeah I boggled at that one. For the thousands of us who actually participated in the aptly named "Tea Parties" of 2007, it must come as a shock that we do not actually exist. lol!

[Sola_Fide]

LOL yeah I boggled at that one. For the thousands of us who actually participated in the aptly named "Tea Parties" of 2007, it must come as a shock that we do not actually exist. lol!

This is why I simultaneously love the Tea Party and hate the Tea Party.

Glen, you said all the rights things brother...your response was very good. It boggles the mind how a "conservative" would advocate government like that. This is a 5 star thread.

[speciallyblend]

LOL yeah I boggled at that one. For the thousands of us who actually participated in the aptly named "Tea Parties" of 2007, it must come as a shock that we do not actually exist. lol!

^^^^^^^^^^^ we were all brewing the tea they are drinking! talk about co-opting:rolleyes:

[speciallyblend]

This is why I simultaneously love the Tea Party and hate the Tea Party.

Glen, you said all the rights things brother...your response was very good. It boggles the mind how a "conservative" would advocate government like that. This is a 5 star thread.

as a rpf member i suggest, thread of the yr nomination for 2010!!!!!!at least top5!!

[pcosmar]

^^^^^^^^^^^ we were all brewing the tea they are drinking! talk about co-opting:rolleyes:

Apparently someone brought in some nasty KoolAid.
;)

[HOLLYWOOD]

as a rpf member i suggest, thread of the yr nomination for 2010!!!!!!at least top5!!
SB, do you remember our dialog/posts on forming the Tea Party after the 2008 GOP ass beating? ;)

Amazing...

I've owned one of my Revolutionary Uniforms for 15 years... and was Tea Party when Tea Party wasn't cool. My newest 8'x5' Besty Ross flag was purchased in 2007...;)

It's been documented here on RPF about the Tea Party well before ANY of these band wagon hacks think they invented the TP.

After that threatening response and wrongful history, I would just call her "Ms, Al Gore" So...what's she going to invent up next?

[georgiaboy]

Most inspirational post I've ever read on RPF.


OOOhhhhh now a subtle threat has now come my way by e-mail! :D

These people are willing to "scorched earth" burn the very people who are doing the real work to save our nation to preserve their little echo chamber bubble intact. Frankly I hope they do run and "tattletale" to the House caucus leadership. What better way to develop "street cred" with the establishment GOP than to be the subject of an attack from an alleged "Tea Party" group? :D



Saving this nation IS my only issue, and your organization of neoconservatives now stands in my way. Neoconservatism is a radical LEFT philosophy originating with the communist Leo Trotsky. Your philosophy reveals you to be no conservative but a Trotskyite. I have no qualms about shutting down the radical left. If you would like to make good on your veiled threat, then I will be more than glad to provide you with the contact information for the NC GOP House Caucus leadership candidates.

If you don't like what happened, then you should discipline your moderator for deleting my non-aggressive arguments to try and shape the debate. It is now clear to me that you are trying to destroy the Tea Party and by extension the United States. You turned a blind eye to your own moderator deleting my nonaggressive arguments in an effort to shape the debate and when I called him out on it you banned my account. That has perfectly clarified for me exactly where you stand.

I got involved in the first place and won my election to the NC State House because I became outraged at the overt destruction of our nation. I am now fighting that destruction from within the NC State House. I will make no less of an effort to stop the covert destruction of our nation and the church now being perpetrated by your organization. The fact that you had to delete every post I have ever made on your site to win your argument speaks volumes.

Once I was accused of being an unchristian liberal infiltrator bent on derailing the Tea Party and creating division in the movement because I opposed your socialist call to action, I responded with the following:

"Apparently there is. A group has recently emerged from the Tea Party movement which appears to want to enforce Church doctrine at the point of a government gun. Abortion is not a 'social' issue, it is a legal issue like murder and other crimes of aggression. But there is a recent push for the government enforcement of social issues coming from the Tea Party which is no different from what the Pharisees did in the 1st Century. They are building this wall to divide and separate us, and if they are successful it will destroy us all."

Which your moderator promptly deleted. He then began to go back through my posts deleting the salient points I had been making. Your Moderator Bill Bissell didn't like the fact that I was winning the argument through sound, rational, reasoned, and nonaggressive debate so he went to delete my arguments so that he could declare victory.

If that is OK with you, then you have demonstrated your organization as an enemy of America, and enemy of God, and an enemy of honesty and integrity.

This has nothing to do with revenge, but a sincere effort to prevent other well intended patriots like myself from getting suckered into your organization and being driven away from the path required to save our nation.

Do not mislead yourself as to my motivation. I have given up my entire life to pursue my goal of restoring the Constitutional order, and I will gladly lay down my life to do just that. I have no motivation for revenge, but to accomplish my mission of saving America. You have demonstrated your organization to be opposed to that mission, and therefore your organization stands as a roadblock between here and a truly restored America and a faithful believe church with integrity.

I will lay all that I am on the line to save the nation I love, and I wall lay even more than that to preserve the faith to which I subscribe. If you want to make yourselves enemies of my mission, then I will not allow you to stand in my way.

You can perhaps imagine that this is about revenge if you like, and if that helps you sleep at night. Doing so will probably help you to blame me for what will be happening over the course of the next two months. The bottom line is I don't care about your or your organization, I only care about saving our nation from the abyss. Your organization stands in the way of that mission at it's own peril.

Now you go ahead and save and log this message as a threat and push it onto the media in the hopes of destroying the reelection prospects of perhaps one of the most dedicated strict constitutionalist elected officials in the nation. Go ahead and contact the NC State House GOP leadership and try your best to prevent myself - a genuine Constitutionalist - from restoring the Constitutional order. I know you want to, and that just proves my point as to what you really are.

If God is with me, who then can stand against me? I have already endured untold attacks from the radical left and came through unscathed and victorious. I have already been the target of $130,000 worth of attack ads and I won. All you will accomplish is to marginalize your own organization, so do please do just that.

You make a grave error in assuming this is about me. This is about a nation on the brink, and you attempt to prevent our restoration. Your subtle threat here to tell the House Caucus all the mean things that I have done to preserve the integrity of our nation and the Church from your subversion of it in the hopes of marginalizing my efforts to restore the Constitutional order verifies everything that I have thought and said.

I hope you think long and hard on this, and go to God and ask why you are so deeply motivated to block and prevent those people who are actually doing the work to restore this nation instead of just talking about it. You now have a choice of hardening your heart and stiffening your neck, or opening yourself to God and accepting the fact that you are in error. Your decision will determine your future. May God bless you with a revelation of the truth.

[JoshLowry]

+ Rep

I love a good clashing of minds. People on both sides learn something. So do the onlookers.

[klamath]

+ Rep

I love a good clashing of minds. People on both sides learn something. So do the onlookers.

No fair. I tried to give Gunny a +rep for this and you told me i had to spread my reps around:D

[BuddyRey]

At least you tried, Glen. Thanks for sticking up for the Real Tea Party!

Unless it's possible to infiltrate and "co-opt" this other Tea Party contingent the same way they've tried to co-opt ours, I can't think of any way to turn around the Resistnets and Littlegreenfootballs of the world.

[Dripping Rain]

Funny Rep Bradley and so Ironic for me
I exposed this website almost 2 years ago on my first day and first post on Ron Paul Forums
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=5696311

[ConstitutionalRights]

Well, as you suggested in your statement, "I hope you think long and hard on this, and go to God." So, I did. He said you were wrong and Dee is right -- or at least that's the message he sent me. (Not written by Dee, but written by a Resistnet member who was born and raised a strict Baptist. God talks to me.)

[dannno]

Well, as you suggested in your statement, "I hope you think long and hard on this, and go to God." So, I did. He said you were wrong and Dee is right -- or at least that's the message he sent me. (Not written by Dee, but written by a Resistnet member who was born and raised a strict Baptist. God talks to me.)

You must be communicating with Satan and assuming it is God. I've heard Satan can be a pretty good actor.

[Sola_Fide]

Well, as you suggested in your statement, "I hope you think long and hard on this, and go to God." So, I did. He said you were wrong and Dee is right -- or at least that's the message he sent me. (Not written by Dee, but written by a Resistnet member who was born and raised a strict Baptist. God talks to me.)

Ignorant.

God speaks to us through His Word, and not apart from His Word. The Comforter has been sent to remind us of what has been written, not to give us new revelation.

[dannno]

Hey Anti Fed, do you have my DEA Jesus picture you commented on some time back? I can't seem to find it.

I think it illustrates nicely how the new religious right, trying to impose their religious laws on everybody else is diametrically opposed to what Jesus actually taught. Not only that, it makes them no better than the (very small minority of) Muslims who are trying to push Sharia law on everybody else.

[Theocrat]

Well, to be honest the REAL Theocrats would fight for almost zero government at all. I know it seems on the surface like a 'Theocrat' should try to impose morality and doctrine upon 'the unwashed masses' but God kinda made it blatantly clear that he did not approve of that sort of nonsense when He condemned the Pharisees.

I consider these people to be fake theocrats trying to enforce their personal will in the hopes of establishing personal comfort against the will of God.

More neocon than theocrat, as correctly stated in one of the posts above. :D

This theocrat approves.

[Sola_Fide]

This theocrat approves.

I wish I could find this quote from Rushdoony where he says all his life has been a fight against government but everyone still thinks he has advocated oppressive government just because people don't understand what theocracy really is.

[jmdrake]

Gunny, thank you for standing up to these goons. And thank you for posting this. Yes there are various and sundry people who want to misappropriate the mandate the republicans got for their own agenda just like socialists misappropriated the mandate Obama got in 2008. The aim of this movement is simple. Reduce the size of government. Any effort to force religion (or anything else) down someone else's throat only serves to increase the size of government. The same goes for those who want to push back against Obama's (fake IMO) promise to roll back the Afghanistan surge. Sending more troops to die overseas increases the federal deficit just as surely as adding more people to the medicare roles.

Anyway, congrats on your win. You are relevant. These people are not.


I was banned from resistnet resistnet.com for standing against the coopting of the Tea Party

Someone posted a thread to the extent that the Tea Parties should start to push for using government force to enforce church doctrine at the point of a government gun. I used detailed and sourced arguments from church doctrine and scripture to demonstrate that they were acting like 21st Pharisees and will thus incur the wrath of God upon our nation and our movement.

Bill Bissell, moderator, began systematically deleting my posts trying to silence my argument, and I called him out on his hypocrisy. Darla Dawald (Darla, ADMIN / National Director) then suspended my account.

Resistnet.com is a fake Tea Party movement attempting to use the newly found Tea party clout on the national scene to force government to enforce church doctrine at the point of a government gun.

The following all point to resistnet.com front page:

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For those of you who chance upon this message via Google Search, beware of resistnet.com -- they are trying to leverage our recent tea party victories to enforce Christian morality at the point of a government gun. This is exactly what the Pharisees did in the 1st century that earned them the wrath of God, and if we buy into the snake oil that these 21st century pharisees are trying to sell us, then it will earn us the wrath of God as well.

I am a devout Christian, I attended Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, I taught Adult Sunday School in a Southern Baptist Church, and I led worship in that same church. I was banned because I refused to participate in their Pharisaic effort to derail the Tea Party movement, and stood up for you against their attempts to coopt us. If you ask, they will tell you that I am a liberal and a heathen. They are liars. Do not be deceived.

I am an iCaucus and Republican Liberty Caucus endorsed candidate for NC State House, and I won my election and will be sworn in to my new office in mere weeks. Resistnet.com Resistnet would rather destroy the Tea Party movement than to see it flourish in a way that does not suit them. Approach with extreme caution!

[rich34]

It does seem odd that somebody who professes a god that created man with free will would endorse usurping that free will by means of the government.

I agree, but most of "God's people" can't see it. It's to bad, but no matter how much you try and use the Bible in a Godly way, to show them that God does not work through the government they just can't hear it. You make a good point, God does give free will and every man will answer for his own. I'll try and use the story of Jonah to demonstrate how God told him to go to the PEOPLE of Nineveh rather than the "government" to try and change hearts and minds. In today's world it seems EVERYONE believes that you can only change minds and enforce draconian laws through the government. I think more are starting to wake up though, who knows if enough wake up they could be major allies. Chuck Baldwin for instance.

[Sola_Fide]

Our wills are not free guys. Our wills are slaves to sin.


Not to nitpick about an obstensibly minor point, but it bears pointing out. Paul, in the book of Romans goes in depth about the nature of our will.

[GunnyFreedom]

Well, as you suggested in your statement, "I hope you think long and hard on this, and go to God." So, I did. He said you were wrong and Dee is right -- or at least that's the message he sent me. (Not written by Dee, but written by a Resistnet member who was born and raised a strict Baptist. God talks to me.)

I am suspect of any person who claims that God speaks for them. We have seen it all too often with the televangelists "Send me $5 million or God will kill me" and with the cults "drink this kool-aid or God will reject you." Fortunately, God has given us His Word so that we can practice right discernment and not rely on 'gut feelings' when it comes to God's will.

I am also suspect of any organization who believes they must censor and delete another person's argument in order to win their debate. We have had a significant amount of direct experience with this during the Ron Paul 2008 campaign where the establishment did everything in their power to shut Ron Paul down and keep him out of the debates, because they could not actually answer his arguments.

If your organization had a shred of integrity or credibility, then you would prevail on the merits of your argument rather than first selectively deleting those posts which you could not answer, and then once I refused to accept that banning me and deleting every post I have ever made.

Today, I am a State House Representative because I stood on my principles and maintained my integrity throughout my campaign. I did not lie or pretend to be something I am not just for politics and to try and get elected. I was elected on what I actually stand for and what I actually believe. That will make it a lot easier for me to uphold my principles in office as I will no have to try and figure out what my principles are supposed to be before I reach a decision. They are native and natural to my being.

People are not going to elect candidates who want to impose church doctrines at the end of a government gun. If your people get elected then it will be through the dissemination of a lie -- whether you outright lie or simple downplay your beliefs in that area, it is still a lie. Do you really think that God will bless your efforts to seize power though lies?

The God that I serve opposes Pharisees and all that they entail. The imposition of church doctrine at the point of a gun is classic Phariseeism, and any member of the remnant of true believers will avoid Phariseeism like the plague. Any self proclaimed Christian willing to impose church doctrines at the point of a gun has fallen away, has forgotten the face of his Father, and God willing will have the opportunity to get right with God before he or she is sent to his or her reward.

You can claim righteousness, but remember, so did the Pharisees of the 1st century claim to be the arbiter of righteousness, and Jesus said that “...except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:20, KJV.

You seek to impose Godliness at the end of a government gun, but you forget that Jesus told you “And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar’s, and unto God the things which be God’s. And they could not take hold of his words before the people: and they marvelled at his answer, and held their peace.” Luke 20:25, 26, KJV. This was not merely a clever way to get out of a trap, it was a model for good citizenship and good government. You are trying to render unto Caesar what is God's and if successful you will create an entire class of people who appear Godly on the outside, but within are lost and dying.

If the Lord was outraged the scribes and Pharisees who only whitewashed THEMSELVES while remaining dead on the inside:

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” Matthew 23:27-33, KJV.

how much more outraged will the Lord be at you, who not only apply this to yourselves but would force this condition upon others?

You have lost your way, and you have forgotten the face of our Father. You are trying to replace the commandments of God with the edict of man, and government being the most corruptible of men in America!

“Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” Matthew 15:7-9, KJV.

Woe unto you who would place corrupt men and corrupted government in authority over the sole dominion of God! You would steal the treasures of God's Kingdom and give them to the Caesars of this world to buy favor or to make your neighborhood more 'comfortable' for yourselves through the force of law. If you have your way, then countless untold souls will be lost from the book of life so that you can maintain your temporary comfort in this brief existence.

Would you really steal eternity from millions of souls just so that you can have a moments peace within our lost and temporal world?

Indeed, you surely do draw near to God with your mouth even as you honor Him with your speech, but your heart is not in Him, as you would place the doctrines of God under the authority of corrupt and lost men.

You would do well to reexamine your motivation and your faith, and learn what our God what have from us -- you have lost your way and are digging your hole even deeper. It is time to change direction and get right with God. Do you have the courage?

[GunnyFreedom]

You must be communicating with Satan and assuming it is God. I've heard Satan can be a pretty good actor.

They say Satan can quote scripture with the best of them, only he twists it and perverts it to his own ends. In this case, it appears that Satan is trying to create a new Pharisee class to help pave the way for the coming antichrist. Nevertheless, there remains a remnant in this frightening world, and that remnant will prevail against the lies even if we remain a minority until the Messiah returns to the sound of the shofar.

[speciallyblend]

this thread and rpf members are a breath of fresh air:)

[GunnyFreedom]

Ignorant.

God speaks to us through His Word, and not apart from His Word. The Comforter has been sent to remind us of what has been written, not to give us new revelation.

Hear here!

If it was wicked during the 1st century for the scribes and the Pharisees to impose the laws of God at the point of a sword (or a stone) then it remains evil today for the apostate church to impose God's laws at the end of a gun.

The scriptures cover this in great depth and detail, and yet too many people who claim to be Christians will justify all kinds of immoral and iniquitous behavior to suit their personal comfort against the will of God by twisting and perverting the scriptures to suit their own ends.

Someone can claim to be a Christian, or even a member of the clergy, and be just as wicked and lost in their heart as the most militant atheist. Indeed, I would argue even MORE lost, as at least the atheist is honest with himself.

We are in a very dark era not only for our nation but for our Church as well. We have in the midst of the largest nominally Christian church the world has ever seen, been reduced to a tiny remnant, even as we are also a mere remnant of liberty in America.

The time has come for a gut-check. Will we stand up for business as usual in government? will we stand up for business as usual in the church?

Or will we stand up for a revival both of the American principle of political liberty and the Christian principle of righteous liberty?

This notion of modern day Phariseeism really kicked off around Nixon/Reagan era, and has been steadily growing worse. The result is plain for all to see. Since Nixon/Reagan, our government has been growing steadily more corrupted, and the Church has grown increasingly weak and ineffective as the notion of Pharisaical enforcement of doctrine is infecting our churches like a plague.

The church has been declining in America from the moment they decided to start enforcing church doctrine by government fiat, and the more they push it, the faster that decline accelerates. Do they really believe this to be just a coincidence? And yet what do we see here from these folks at ResistNet - a doubling down just like Obama doubled down on Obamacare.

These alleged Christians at ResistNet are lost and out of touch. They preach a perversion of Christian doctrine that is destroying both our nation and the American church. If they are not given eyes to see, if they do not awaken and reverse course, how then can we avoid the wrath of God?

The only way is to call them out and marginalize their effectiveness so they do not infect others with their perverse doctrine. This thread is step 1 in that quarantine process. THEY can reverse it, but they would need to undergo a genuine revival.

[GunnyFreedom]

Hey Anti Fed, do you have my DEA Jesus picture you commented on some time back? I can't seem to find it.

I think it illustrates nicely how the new religious right, trying to impose their religious laws on everybody else is diametrically opposed to what Jesus actually taught. Not only that, it makes them no better than the (very small minority of) Muslims who are trying to push Sharia law on everybody else.

I think what set them off was when I called them "21st Century Pharisees." They didn't like that very much. Truth hurts. :D

[TruckinMike]

... way too many Christians nowadays have themselves set up as god. They want to believe in a god who conforms to THEIR will, rather than them conforming to God. That is what has led to our current culture of decline both of government and the western church.

Amen Brother!

[GunnyFreedom]

This theocrat approves.

Thank you sir!

There are two environments where the true Church prospers, true persecution and genuine liberty. That is all. If the church is not being persecuted, but there is not an environment of liberty, the church always declines. When the church is granted the use of governmental authority to impose it's will, it declines more quickly.

The reason is because there is only one authority, and that is God. Whenever man seizes and imposes that authority on behalf of God (even if he thinks he is doing the right thing) it is ALWAYS corrupt, and it is always detrimental to government, society, and the church.

We go back then to the type of government that God has asked us to form. God's law for the governments of man is found in Genesis 9. As we see it is an EXTREMELY libertarian government bordering on voluntarism or even anarchy. The Noachide covenant (or laws of Noah) is actually the guideline that God laid out for the governments of men.

I was particularly struck over at ResistNet when I made this point about God's rules for government being Genesis 9, one of them said "no, God's rules for government is Leviticus."

I boggled at that comment. Truly boggled. Aside from the obvious that Leviticus and Deuteronomy are the laws for ISRAEL which is now a spiritual and not a physical nation, the Christian Church has been trying to deny and denounce Leviticus for what, 1500 years now? and THIS is the law they want to enforce through government??

So, just like Charlie Rangel, THEY are 'too good' to obey the law, but want to enforce the law against everybody else?

What I wonder about and would like to hear folks like "ConstitutionalRights" address, is how is this outrageous unbiblical hypocrisy not blatantly obvious? Are you really somehow unaware of how deeply distorted this rendering of scripture is, or are you secretly aware but just afraid to address it?

[jacque]

Just so you know I've never really done the whole blogging thing before..

Well, here it is.. let me know if I screwed up (especially gunny or josh)

http://defeattheprogressos.blogspot.com/

Good job! Never thought of blogging this. I might take cue and do the same.

Freedom Mom

[GunnyFreedom]

Good job! Never thought of blogging this. I might take cue and do the same.

Freedom Mom

The more who do, the bigger it will pop on Google. This one is a tough uphill battle though. Our best bet will be to direct search traffic to this thread I think.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=269223

So for folks who want to help with SEO, the best suggestion is to point "resistnet" to the RPF thread

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=269223

:cool:

[ConstitutionalRights]

Excuse me, however, you told Dee to "Go to God" with this. Now, you disagree with God's message. Also, your post said, "I will lay all that I am on the line to save the nation I love, and I wall lay even more than that to preserve the faith to which I subscribe. If you want to make yourselves enemies of my mission, then I will not allow you to stand in my way." I would, too, but I do not proclaim that I could personally change the inevitable. Haven't you read Revelations?

[GunnyFreedom]

Excuse me, however, you told Dee to "Go to God" with this. Now, you disagree with God's message. Also, your post said, "I will lay all that I am on the line to save the nation I love, and I wall lay even more than that to preserve the faith to which I subscribe. If you want to make yourselves enemies of my mission, then I will not allow you to stand in my way." I would, too, but I do not proclaim that I could personally change the inevitable. Haven't you read Revelations?

So now you are claiming to be God?

And y'all wondered why I called it a blasphemy! :rolleyes:

[specsaregood]

So now you are claiming to be God?

And y'all wondered why I called it a blasphemy! :rolleyes:

Sounded dangerously like those nutcases that want us involved in the middle east in order to bring about the end of the world.

[Joey Fuller]

I've been banned from the glenn beck forums, teapartynation.com, banned from logging into infowars.com to leave comments, and banned from godlikeproductions.com.

Most sites are not interested in participating in open honest debates and exercising Free Speech/Intellectual Aerobics.

This is the only messageboard site in which I've never been censored.

Keep pushing forward.

YouTube - Federal Reserve/San Quentin Protest Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJX36Mp41oY)

[ConstitutionalRights]

I'm typing this slowly, so maybe you will understand this. Perhaps, before you pop off a reply, you might try to comprehend what you have read. Reading and comprehending are two different things. No, never said I was God -- that's your twist. What, if you don't agree with a post you automatically call it blasphemy? That's childish and lame. Don't try to scare people with your misinterpretations.

[klamath]

I'm typing this slowly, so maybe you will understand this. Perhaps, before you pop off a reply, you might try to comprehend what you have read. Reading and comprehending are two different things. No, never said I was God -- that's your twist. What, if you don't agree with a post you automatically call it blasphemy? That's childish and lame. Don't try to scare people with your misinterpretations.

Since you seem to be from this resist net place can you show the quotes where Gunny insulted the members. When all the posts are deleted and then the side that did the deleting trys to say someone insulted the members don't you think the first thing they should do is present the evidence of the insults?

[Sola_Fide]

Excuse me, however, you told Dee to "Go to God" with this. Now, you disagree with God's message. Also, your post said, "I will lay all that I am on the line to save the nation I love, and I wall lay even more than that to preserve the faith to which I subscribe. If you want to make yourselves enemies of my mission, then I will not allow you to stand in my way." I would, too, but I do not proclaim that I could personally change the inevitable. Haven't you read Revelations?


1. "Constitutional" rights?

2. Before reading Revelations, I would read the other books of the Bible...and I would read it along with a good book about hermanuetics and systematic theology, since a proper understanding of the two would correct some of the errors you are having.

3. I would study the different views of eschatology. Not every view of the "end times" understands the world sinking into chaos. Post -millenialism says the opposite.


4. When Glen said "go to God", he meant "go to Scripture"...not "go to the Statist idol you have in your head to justify Statism" - which this person clearly had.

[GunnyFreedom]

I'm typing this slowly, so maybe you will understand this. Perhaps, before you pop off a reply, you might try to comprehend what you have read. Reading and comprehending are two different things. No, never said I was God -- that's your twist. What, if you don't agree with a post you automatically call it blasphemy? That's childish and lame. Don't try to scare people with your misinterpretations.

When you claim that disagreement with you is disagreement with God, then you are claiming to be God.

“But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.” Matthew 23:13-15, KJV.

“But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him. And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like? They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept. For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil. The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! But wisdom is justified of all her children.” Luke 7:30-35, KJV.

“And as he spake, a certain Pharisee besought him to dine with him: and he went in, and sat down to meat. And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner. And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness. Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also? But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you. But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them. Then answered one of the lawyers, and said unto him, Master, thus saying thou reproachest us also. And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers. Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres.” Luke 11:37-48, KJV.

“In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.” Luke 12:1, KJV.
I should not be surprised, of course -- Paul explained to us that judgement leads to a hardened and impenitent heart was basically impervious to truth -- and further by rejecting the very longsuffering and mercy of God which leads to repentance, you are building up the wrath of God against yourself:

“Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God.” Romans 2:1-11, KJV.
There, clearly these passages are all in context, and match exactly what I have been saying from the beginning.

The will of God does not contradict the Word of God, my friend. By your claiming to have the "inside scoop" on God's will in direct contradiction the Word of God, you are prima facie making the claim to actually BE God, or at least in a position to dictate to God what He is and is not allowed to think.

I don't expect you to soften your resolve here, of course, as a hardened heart and a stiffened neck does not yield to truth without the intervention of God -- and you'd have to actually be willing for that to happen.