Issue: Immigration: Fence Builder?

[thePhilosopher]

Is Ron Paul a fence builder in regards to our southern boarder? He seems to say that he is on his campaign website, but he doesn't make it entirely clear HOW he would secure the boarders if elected.

Thanks!

[vertesc]

I don't know about the fence plan specifically, but I know that he is for tighter border control in general. It's a major part of his (now much discussed) plan on Iraq. Stop pissing people off, lock down our borders to illegals. Unfortunately he has not been allowed to discuss much more than Iraq in the debates.

[Bryan]

As you may have seen the campaign web site does say "Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals."
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/html/issue-Border_fx.html

I'm not sure how that could be done without a fence or massive amounts of border patrol.

[thePhilosopher]

As you may have seen the campaign web site does say "Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals."
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/html/issue-Border_fx.html

I'm not sure how that could be done without a fence or massive amounts of border patrol.

Yeah, I read that, and the bottom line is that he is going to actually take security more seriously than the Bush administration (which isn't hard to do!).

[mdh]

Sometimes it's really difficult to answer the "How" question before being elected. An elected president can commission studies with experts, etc, to present solutions - a congressman doesn't have those same resources at their disposal.
To say that it's a priority is enough for me, in all honesty. Everything I know about Ron Paul to this day leads me to believe that the final execution would be done in a way that is respectful of the constitution, and reasonably efficient in terms of how much of OUR money it would cost.

[Brandybuck]

Once we secure our borders, there's the next problem: Mexico using us to dump their domestic troubles on. Illegal aliens aren't coming here because they're criminals who want to screw us over, they're coming here because Mexico sucks! There's a reason no one's pushing for a border between US and Canada.

Does Ron Paul support a guest worker program? My idea: Let Mexican workers come here on six month seasonal visas. They need to have a job lined up here, and have to go back home six months later. Any trouble with the law and they get deported and disqualified from the program ever again. We used to have similar programs, and they worked. It kept some of the pressure off that boiler down south.

[mdh]

I dunno, Brandybuck, I know a fair share of normal middle-class Mexicans who live and work in Mexico. There's just not enough going on in terms of low-wage jobs, and their agriculture industry has loads of problems, some of which our subsidies artificially created to begin with. The Mexican government can fix its' problems though. Lower taxes attract employers, to start with!

[Craig_R]

yes

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul344.html

for more

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html

[PennCustom4RP]

... they're coming here because Mexico sucks!...

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My answer to that would be that the Mexicans stay in Mexico and fix THEIR country, just as we are trying to fix ours. The Canadians don't/won't allow us to come flooding into Canada just because we might think the US sucks
just my .02
~M

[tnvoter]

the fence is already legal and is already being built -- the problem -- is they are deliberately building it slow in hopes they can pass their AMNESTY bill first.

[Jimmy]

Call your congress critter today about the immrigration bill.






KILL THE AMNESTY BILL

Ron Paul 2008

[kelldor]

Illegal aliens aren't coming here because they're criminals who want to screw us over, they're coming here because Mexico sucks!

Reconquista of Aztlan is their national goal. At the rallies this is what they are saying. They believe that land belongs to them that was taken from them in the Mexican-American War, and that "Gringo's should Go Home!" This is why they fly the Mexican flag more than the American flag, just like the mayor of LA. (Understand though that they have been manipulated by their elites to think this way, just like how we have been manipulated by our media and elites. This is the elites plan though. Inundate us with massive illegal immigration and crash our dollar, so we have no choice but to accept the North American Union and the Amero.) This mass migration is in essence a form of social and economic warfare by means of Irredentism.

Someone is Irredentist if they advocate the recovery of territory culturally or historically related to one's nation but now subject to a foreign government. Also applicable is Revanchism, A usually political policy, as of a nation or an ethnic group, intended to regain lost territory or standing.

Irredentism/Revanchism was most recently employed in Kosovo. Western media spun what happened there after the fall of the U.S.S.R. so most people in America don't know this. Ethnic Albanians, being no longer constrianed by the Soviet police state, flooded across the border into Kosovo by the hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, in a very short period of time. This caused a massive breakdown of social services and infrastructure, as it wasn't built to handle that amount of human capacity, much like what we are seeing in California with their health care system. Serbians had hereditary and cultural rights to the land even long before WW1, and I remember reading a long time ago about some battle they fought there defending Kosovo against the Otomans, but I can't recal the specifics.

The above paragraph is meant only to provide an example of Irredentism/Revanchism in recent times, and in no way should be taken as an endorsement of Serbias ethnic cleansing, mass graves, etc. My main point is to allow you to put this event into the propor context, something mainstream media did not afford you, and to allow you to draw your own conclusions regarding what we are seeing today on our southern border.

WARNING, The next section is disturbing.

It should also be noted that back durring the Reagan Administration we began building above ground and under ground internment/concentration camps, under a program called REX 84. 800 of them are in existence, and are run by FEMA. Haliburton and KBR is involved, and they were built originally under the guise of "just in case of massive illegal immigration". I say "guise" because, although I know of 1 such camp in Texas that is being used for this purpose today as we speak, I do not believe that is their real intent. Don't take my word for it, do your own research, here's a few links to get you started.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html

Rex 84: FEMA's Blueprint for Martial Law in America (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=ROL20060820&articleId=3010)

The "Black Curtain" around FEMA's Operations (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NIM20050911&articleId=929)

This is the one in Texas I refered to.
HOMELAND SECURITY DETENTION CENTER- TAYLOR, TX. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mntQogvuRI8)

Oliver North Questioned - Rex 84 Exposed During Iran Contra (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ)

In the 1st minute of this one the narrator will talk about "electronically operated turnstiles". As the camera zooms in on them, note the box on each of them on the right side, about shoulder hieght. This is what picks up the signal from RFID chips to open the turnstile. Defense contractors use these same turnstiles at their plants. Their employee badges have RFID chips in them, no swiping needed, and once you pass through the gate you are clocked in. I think FEMA is more thinking of the Verichip implant kind in this application though. About half way through is the large furnaces, and I don't think they are for "heating".

Concentration Camps being built for U.S citizens (http://youtube.com/watch?v=dJBxdRIQx7Y)

I saved this one for last for a reason. Recently, we Ron Paul supporters have come to despise Sean Hannity for good reason. As you watch this clip from Fox News, notice how Sheppard Smith is totally bumbed out speechless, and Geraldo Rivera is about in tears, but check out Sean Hannity as he spins it and justifies it. It's SICK! Truly SICK! In WW2 the German people were brainwashed justifiers. Sean Hannity would have excelled in the Nazi Party's Ministry of Propoganda. He must have studied Joseph Geobells.

FOX Reports From Katrina FEMA Failure Concentration Camp (http://youtube.com/watch?v=g_YWjj0WfFw)

Sorry for the long post, with the stomach turning content, but again, I feel compelled to look at the illegal immigration issue framed against the backdrop of history and todays evidence. I am for building a big long fence, I am for enforcement of our laws, our borders, and our sovereignty, but not this. This is wrong, and this is also a big reason why I support Ron Paul, because I don't think he would stand for it at all.

In closing, this is why I feel so strongly that we need to do everything possible to elect Ron Paul. He has warned us in numerous speeches that we are becoming a police state, and I believe this type of stuff is what he was alluding to. I see the '08 election as the end game for America, do or die. I just hope we make it 'til then folks. Good luck, and again, please forgive me for the long post and disturbing content.

Kelldor.

[winston84]

Shut the border down and keep them shut, the boiler effect is exactly what we want. Mexicans would be forced to start a revolution within their own country instead of heading to America, which would be an easier alternative.

[Captain Shays]

As you may have seen the campaign web site does say "Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals."
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/html/issue-Border_fx.html

I'm not sure how that could be done without a fence or massive amounts of border patrol.

Hi again Bryan,

I don't know about you but I don't care how it gets done so long as it gets done and I reallybelieve in my heart of hearts that Ron Paul is THE strongest on this issue. He's even stronger than Tancredo. In fact, he's the ONLY one I would trust to really do what he says he would do. As Commander in Chief he would have all the authority to secure our borders.