Two 13yr old hold bake sale @ Park: City Councilman calls the cops (no permit)

[Cowlesy]

http://www.lohud.com/article/201011150328


NEW CASTLE — When Andrew DeMarchis and Kevin Graff, two 13-year-olds from Chappaqua's Seven Bridges Middle School, set up shop at Gedney Park on a fall weekend last month, they were expecting a tidy profit.

Instead, the two wannabe entrepreneurs selling cupcakes, cookies, brownies and Rice Krispie treats baked by them for $1 apiece got a taste of cold, hard bureaucracy .


You can read lots more at the link here.... (http://www.lohud.com/article/201011150328)


At least the cops were nice about it and apologizing, I guess. I hope that city councilman gets voted out --- what a horse's ass.

[Jordan]

"I don't get too many offers for babysitting, and we live in a development, so shoveling snow is not an option either," said Andrew. "We were being entrepreneurs , but now I feel a little defeated."

Exactly what this country needs, more defeated entrepreneurs.

[Elwar]

They should have tazed the little capitalist scums!!!

String em up!!!

[Pericles]

When I was a kid, this was a free country.

[JamesButabi]

I must say, local permitting has become a huge burden not only to small business but to everyday harmless activities.

[talkingpointes]

What could be worse than something like this to explain to a child ? Seriously I have come to conclude some of these people are seriously depressed and as the old saying goes misery loves company, just not companies.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Yet another one... :rolleyes:

File under bake sales and lemonade stands.

Anyone ever notice that these things tend to happen in NYC, NJ and MA?... odd that the other usual suspects are under-represented: California and Chicago - Or maybe I've just missed the stories. (or the lefty media suppresses um better...)

-t

[Krugerrand]

Some great quotes:

Wolfensohn said Thursday that he called police after asking the boys if they were raising funds for charity.
...
Couldn't Wolfensohn have simply told the boys that they needed a license, the parents want to know, instead of calling the police?

"In hindsight, maybe I should have done that, but I wasn't sure if I was allowed to do that," he said. "The police are trained to deal with these sorts of issues."

That must be some great police training. Two days at the academy are devoted to lemonade stand busting?


More importantly, the parks department needs to be informed, he said.

"We need to know who is in the park and what they are doing. What if there was work going on that was dangerous?" Snyder said. "But I do understand why parents would think they can do this. People may not be aware that they need a permit."


Scary ... why do you need to know who is in the park? Why do you need to know what they are doing? If I'm' playing frisbee - why do you need to know who I am and that I'm playing frisbee?

And of course, they could never have figured out on their own to not sell cookies next to the jackhammer or chainsaw crews? Praise Be the State for the wisdom to protect us from ourselves.

[Cowlesy]

Yet another one... :rolleyes:

File under bake sales and lemonade stands.

Anyone ever notice that these things tend to happen in NYC, NJ and MA?... odd that the other usual suspects are under-represented: California and Chicago - Or maybe I've just missed the stories. (or the lefty media suppresses um better...)

-t

Just wait. Soon it will be required to have permits for yard/garage sales.

[talkingpointes]

Just wait. Soon it will be required to have permits for yard/garage sales.

In Arizona you can only have 2 sales a year without a business license.

[Andrew-Austin]

On the bright side now it is likely they will grow up with a rebellious attitude towards government.

[invisible]

Just wait. Soon it will be required to have permits for yard/garage sales.

That's already in place at many locations. I've lived in 3 different cities / towns over the last 7 years that have passed such laws.

[txaslftist]

When I was a kid, this was a free country.

You must be really, really old.


Or just nostalgic .

[AxisMundi]

http://www.lohud.com/article/201011150328



You can read lots more at the link here.... (http://www.lohud.com/article/201011150328)


At least the cops were nice about it and apologizing, I guess. I hope that city councilman gets voted out --- what a horse's ass.

Absolutely uncalled for.

I sincerly hope his employers vote him out of office.

[TruckinMike]

Yet another one... :rolleyes:

File under bake sales and lemonade stands.

Anyone ever notice that these things tend to happen in NYC, NJ and MA?... odd that the other usual suspects are under-represented: California and Chicago - Or maybe I've just missed the stories. (or the lefty media suppresses um better...)

-t

Yeah, but the southern,central, western states are smarter. They realize the public will turn against them if they were to come down hard on these types of youth activities. So they wait until your are not perceived as a child - then they lower the tyrannical boom. At that point "you should have known better" is the mantra blurted by the collectivist, uncaring hoards.

Its too bad that only a very small minority of Americans run a small business as their sole means of income. They get it, but the majority has no clue. Or care. (Especially government employees.)


TMike

Note:As a trucker I have to pay a $550 extortion tax ("heavy use tax") every year to the IRS before the state will allow me to purchase my license plate - another $1700. NO credit cards allowed- no cash, no job.

[Philhelm]

Oh for fuck's sake! When does the madness end? I just can't take it anymore.

[torchbearer]

those kids learned a valuable lesson about big government.

[Kregisen]

This is just like the little girl selling lemonade at the fair a few months back....

Anyway, the issue here isn't that they're 13-year old boys, the issue is there shouldn't be a requirement for a $1 million certificate of insurance or permits to do this. That's the problem.

I'm doing some projects for some classes which involve creating detailed business plans, and I'm finding out how insane the permits are here. First off, something as simple as an ice cream shop needs a $2 million insurance plan, if it has tables and chairs, it's required to have parking spaces, which cost the business $3000 a year per space, and in this location, there's no free parking spots left....the closest ones are a mile away in a parking garage.

So if you want tables and chairs in your ice cream shop, you need to go buy some parking spots in a parking garage a mile away for $3,000 a spot every year, so you can have your customers park that far away and walk a mile down to buy some ice cream.

Plus plenty of smaller licenses and sales tax permits, etc.

Basically, it's insanity to start up your own small business.

[Jordan]

This is just like the little girl selling lemonade at the fair a few months back....

Anyway, the issue here isn't that they're 13-year old boys, the issue is there shouldn't be a requirement for a $1 million certificate of insurance or permits to do this. That's the problem.

I'm doing some projects for some classes which involve creating detailed business plans, and I'm finding out how insane the permits are here. First off, something as simple as an ice cream shop needs a $2 million insurance plan, if it has tables and chairs, it's required to have parking spaces, which cost the business $3000 a year per space, and in this location, there's no free parking spots left....the closest ones are a mile away in a parking garage.

So if you want tables and chairs in your ice cream shop, you need to go buy some parking spots in a parking garage a mile away for $3,000 a spot every year, so you can have your customers park that far away and walk a mile down to buy some ice cream.

Plus plenty of smaller licenses and sales tax permits, etc.

Basically, it's insanity to start up your own small business.


I was reading Inc magazine recently when one of the writers said "to start your own business today is inherently irrational." They were right. :(

I can't believe people think regulations like these, and others, are good.

[StilesBC]

those kids learned a valuable lesson about big government.

Either that, or they were taught to ask for permission before doing anything.

[FrankRep]

Michael Wolfensohn (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9403E6D6153FF931A15752C0A9609C8B 63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all) is apart of the New Castle Community Party.



Mr. Wolfensohn ran for town board himself on a newly formed independent line, the New Castle Community Party. In November, for the first time in about a decade, New Castle had a contested local election, though Mr. Wolfensohn and his two running mates lost.

[Heimdallr]

Wow, the more I hear about this, the more I think that America is less free than Canada, despite us having a much larger government.

Interesting, eh?

[Anti Federalist]

When I was a kid, this was a free country.

That ^^^

This isn't teary eyed nostalgia here, it's the truth.

We were much, more free and under much, much, much, less surveillance then.

If the trade off is "upside down" loan McMansions, fancy computer cars that track every move you make, people walking around with their faces in cel phones 24/7, a basement full of Chinese made shit from Wal Marx and a bank account full of worthless FRNs...I'll take a little less "prosperity" and some more freedom, please.

[Travlyr]

Boulder Woman Jailed Over Garage Door
New Garage Door Not In Compliance With Historic Regulations

h ttp://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/8661917/detail.html

[Humanae Libertas]

The local governments want their cut, you think they're going to let little kids sell stuff and not get a percentage? How dare these scumbag American kids sell cookies without consulting the government - why didn't this patriotic cop tase these little brats!

Maybe now the kids will become socialist.


:p:D

[Seraphim]

Wow, the more I hear about this, the more I think that America is less free than Canada, despite us having a much larger government.

Interesting, eh?

We has Canadians have socialized health care. The American Govt however is WAY bigger then the Canadian GOVT in almost every other respect.

[oyarde]

Hopefully these two kids learn a valuable lesson here about too much govt.

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

f'n punk kids trying to sell food and circumvent public food safety regulations. My restaurant should not have to compete with riff raff selling unlicensed food in parks. I am glad I didn't buy anything from these outlaw kids. Throw the book at them so they know not to sell unsafe food to the public in the future. I am disappointed those hard working police officers did not just shoot em. They need to make sure society is going to be safe in the future too. Once a bad apple always a bad apple. Mark my words these kids are going to be trouble makers. It's these type of kids who do not respect the law that will end up date raping your daughter in high school.

[Mach]

In Arizona you can only have 2 sales a year without a business license.

Do they have garage sale agents that roam the State pretending to shop?

Rice Krispie treats..... I'm surprised they didn't alert the Kellogg Company.

[james1906]

There could have been pot in those cookies!

[Kludge]

those kids learned a valuable lesson about big government.

+1

No reason getting worked up over this stuff - it's working against the people enforcing these laws.

[Anti Federalist]

bump

[HOLLYWOOD]

Boulder Woman Jailed Over Garage Door
New Garage Door Not In Compliance With Historic Regulations

h ttp://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/8661917/detail.html

Mapleton Hill Historic District
building codes: 26 page PDF
http://www.bouldercolorado.gov/files/PDS/historicpres/pdfs/maplhill.pdf (http://www.bouldercolorado.gov/files/PDS/historicpres/pdfs/maplhill.pdf)

I don't see the part on getting arrested? ;)


BENEFITS OF LIVING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT
Historic districts provide many benefits to residents while helping to preserve the neighborhood's
cultural identity. Among the direct economic advantages are state tax credits for restoring historic
properties, preservation grants from the Colorado Historical Society, special consideration afforded
owners of historic properties for Boulder building code issues, and the possible higher resale value
of well-preserved, historic homes.
Indirect benefits accrue from the neighborhood's sense of pride in its contribution to Boulder's
development, the human scale and rich detailing that historic buildings embody, an atmosphere of
permanence and the character that a place acquires only after many years of being lived in.



Accessory buildings such as sheds and garages, and driveways should be located at
the rear of the lot as is traditional. Adding them between existing buildings interrupts
the rhythm of the spacing.


P. GARAGES, CARPORTS AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURES
A variety of accessory buildings has been adapted for use as garages in the Mapleton
Hill Historic District. Whether carriage houses or sheds, these structures have certain
similarities. They are plain and utilitarian and are located at the rear of the property on the
alley. Materials and building elements are varied.
Large two-story garages in the historic district are rarely appropriate; they are
typically only seen on large lots with large houses. New garages should be sensitive to both
the lot size and the size of the house, and should be clearly secondary in importance to the
primary structure. Garages that are one to one-and-a-half stories are generally more
appropriate.

Guidelines - Garages
1. If an existing structure is to be used as a garage the historic character of the building
should be respected. As few changes as possible should be made.
2. When garage doors are added to a building they should be wood. Different types will
be appropriate for different buildings. Two smaller doors may be more appropriate
than one large door.
3. If a new structure is to be constructed, design ideas might be found in existing
historic accessory buildings located nearby.
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scale.
5. Accessory buildings should be small in scale and mass, and constructed in a manner
which is complimentary to the character of the house and alley. They are clearly
secondary in importance to the primary structure. Typically, prefabricated sheds are
discouraged.