Wayne Madsen: China Fired Missile Seen In Southern California

[youngbuck]

Pentagon and its embedded media covering up Chinese show of force off LA (http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20101110)
November 10, 2010


China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia.

The reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama. The day after the missile firing, China’s leading credit rating agency, Dagong Global Credit Rating, downgraded sovereign debt rating of the United States to A-plus from AA. The missile demonstration coupled with the downgrading of the United States financial grade represents a military and financial show of force by Beijing to Washington.

The Pentagon spin machine, backed by the media reporters who regularly cover the Defense Department, as well as officials of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and the U.S. Northern Command, is now spinning various conspiracy theories, including describing the missile plume videotaped by KCBS news helicopter cameraman Gil Leyvas at around 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time, during the height of evening rush hour, as the condensation trail from a jet aircraft. Other Pentagon-inspired cover stories are that the missile was actually an amateur rocket or an optical illusion.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/custom/chinesemissile.jpg
Experts agree that this was a ballistic missile being fired off of Los Angeles. Pentagon insists it was a jet aircraft or model rocket.

There are no records of a plane in the area having taken off from Los Angeles International Airport or from other airports in the region. The Navy and Air Force have said that they were not conducting any missile tests from submarines, ships, or Vandenberg Air Force Base. The Navy has also ruled out an accidental firing from one of its own submarines.

Missile experts, including those from Jane’s in London, say the plume was definitely from a missile, possibly launched from a submarine. WMR has learned that the missile was likely a JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles.

Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely possesses intercepts of Chinese telemetry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations.
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Japanese and other Asian intelligence agencies believe that a Chinese Jin-class SSBN submarine conducted missile “show of force” in skies west of Los Angeles.

Asian intelligence sources believe the submarine transited from its base on Hainan through South Pacific waters, where U.S. anti-submarine warfare detection capabilities are not as effective as they are in the northern and mid-Pacific, and then transited north to waters off of Los Angeles. The Pentagon, which has spent billions on ballistic missile defense systems, a pet project of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is clearly embarrassed over the Chinese show of strength.
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Likely route of Jin-class submarine from Hainan base.

The White House also wants to downplay the missile story before President Obama meets with his Chinese counterpart in Seoul and Tokyo. According to Japanese intelligence sources, Beijing has been angry over United States and allied naval exercises in the South China and Yellow Seas, in what China considers its sphere of influence, and the missile firing within the view of people in Southern California was a demonstration that China’s navy can also play in waters off the American coast.

For the U.S. Navy, the Chinese show of force is a huge embarrassment, especially for the Navy’s Pacific Command in Pearl Harbor, where Japan’s December 7, 1941 attack on the fleet at Pearl Harbor remains a sore subject.

In 2002, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly scolded visiting Chinese General Xiong Guankai, the deputy chief of staff for intelligence of the People’s Liberation Army, for remarks he allegedly made in 1995 that China would use nuclear weapons on Los Angeles. Xiong denied he made any such comments but the “spin” on the story helped convince Congress to sink billions of additional dollars into ballistic missile defense, sometimes referred to at “Star Wars II.”

War with China! Kick-ass! :eek:

[FSP-Rebel]

I'm gonna need to see further evidence than something coming from Madsen before I accept that the missile came from the Chinese.

[oyarde]

Pentagon and its embedded media covering up Chinese show of force off LA (http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20101110)
November 10, 2010



War with China! Kick-ass! :eek:

Nah , anytime someone wants to come to International waters off of Caly and shoot a missle back to the far East to own country , let 'em .

[Brian4Liberty]

But, they said it's just an airplane! :rolleyes:


Mystery Solved? Missile Launch Could Be a Jet Contrail

Published November 09, 2010 | FoxNews.com

A video that appears to show a missile launch off the coast of California is so far "unexplained" by anyone in the military, a Pentagon spokesman told reporters Tuesday -- but what seems mysterious could be nothing more than an airplane.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/09/mystery-solved-missile-launch-jet-contrail/print

[Brian4Liberty]

Nothing to see here. Move along. Our wonderful "free trade" partners would never do anything like that. :rolleyes:


Pentagon: Mystery 'missile' likely a plane
Review concludes vapor plume that streaked across Calif. sky probably came from aircraft

Reuters
updated 11/10/2010 1:45:04 PM ET

WASHINGTON — A mystery vapor trail that was filmed off the coast of southern California and looked like a missile launch was likely caused by a plane, the Pentagon said on Wednesday, closing its case on the incident.

"With all the information that we have gathered over the last day and a half about this condensation trail ... we have no evidence to suggest that this was anything other than a contrail caused by an aircraft," said Col. David Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman.

[Zippyjuan]

An entertaining theory. China is estimated to have about 24 JL-2 ICBM missiles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_China_and_weapons_of_mass_des truction with a range of 7000 km (not miles but that is still about 4300 miles). If you wanted to show you could launch a missile off the coast of a country as a show of strength, why would you choose one which is very expensive, in relatively limited supply, and with such a long range when a smaller, cheaper missile would do the same trick?

But hey, if you want to make up a story, the more info you can pack into it the more likely people will believe it.

[oyarde]

But, they said it's just an airplane! :rolleyes:

That was no airplane . It could have been Chinese , but I think it is just as likely that it was ours . No way they are telling I am guessing .

[oyarde]

If we could get them to shoot more at themselves maybe we could get a few jobs back from 'em . :)

[1000-points-of-fright]

I can't believe nobody was tracking this thing's trajectory. If it was a missile it had to come down somewhere.

[AGRP]

It's much more important to molest everyone at our airports.

[oyarde]

An entertaining theory. China is estimated to have about 24 JL-2 ICBM missiles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_China_and_weapons_of_mass_des truction with a range of 7000 km (not miles but that is still about 4300 miles). If you wanted to show you could launch a missile off the coast of a country as a show of strength, why would you choose one which is very expensive, in relatively limited supply, and with such a long range when a smaller, cheaper missile would do the same trick?

But hey, if you want to make up a story, the more info you can pack into it the more likely people will believe it.

Good point , why would they waste 5 % of total capability and get no show of strength since it was a plane ?

[nobody's_hero]

Nothing to see here. Move along. Our wonderful "free trade" partners would never do anything like that. :rolleyes:

Goods are crossing borders, so there shouldn't be any war. Everything is fine.

[youngbuck]

I can't believe nobody was tracking this thing's trajectory. If it was a missile it had to come down somewhere.

If it was a missile, and it were admitted it was of foreign origin, there would be a lot of panic. People would start demanding that we get the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan and get our troops back here where they belong.

Whatever it was, NORAD has got to know what it was (I hope!):eek:

Good point , why would they waste 5 % of total capability and get no show of strength since it was a plane ?

I'm sure they have a greater capability than what is openly admitted. Also, if it was a Chinese missile, we don't know exactly what kind it was. It could be a new missile.

[klamath]

I can't believe nobody was tracking this thing's trajectory. If it was a missile it had to come down somewhere.

Yeaw there has to be radar recordings out there from the two big ATC centers in California. Oakland center can track aircraft above 8000 feet as far south as San Luis Obispo. If it was an jet aircraft it would have been aproaching the ADIZ (air defence identification zone) and had to be tracked on Radar. I suspect a coverup.

[robertwerden]

That article is horse shit. Don't buy it for a second. China just emerged as a power player in the US economy. They would not do anything to hurt the sales they are doing here.

Doing business with China has never been easier and I buy from multiple vendors all the time in China. The last thing they would do is force our hand at military conflict.

[AuH20]

That article is horse shit. Don't buy it for a second. China just emerged as a power player in the US economy. They would not do anything to hurt the sales they are doing here.

Doing business with China has never been easier and I buy from multiple vendors all the time in China. The last thing they would do is force our hand at military conflict.

They've already set up plans for the strategic default of the United States. This could be a subtle warning.

[Original_Intent]

I don't know what it was or where it came from, but that was no jet.

The whole "optical illusion thing - what a crock. And that is no "contrail" that is rocket exhaust.

[oyarde]

If it was a missile, and it were admitted it was of foreign origin, there would be a lot of panic. People would start demanding that we get the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan and get our troops back here where they belong.

Whatever it was, NORAD has got to know what it was (I hope!):eek:


I'm sure they have a greater capability than what is openly admitted. Also, if it was a Chinese missile, we don't know exactly what kind it was. It could be a new missile.

They would not risk firing someting new and unproven ? The fact that it was one and it worked eliminates most people .

[awake]

There is a lot of talk of cutting military spending lately... guess that's off the table now.

[oyarde]

That article is horse shit. Don't buy it for a second. China just emerged as a power player in the US economy. They would not do anything to hurt the sales they are doing here.

Doing business with China has never been easier and I buy from multiple vendors all the time in China. The last thing they would do is force our hand at military conflict.

It would appear illogical to me , but ...

[Zippyjuan]

Good point , why would they waste 5 % of total capability and get no show of strength since it was a plane ?

Not to mention the cost. One US MinuteMan missile costs about $7 billion. Its range is about twice that of the JL-2s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman and that is just to build it- not incuding any infrastructure or maintainance.

[oyarde]

There is a lot of talk of cutting military spending lately... guess that's off the table now.

Nah , it is on the table because it is the only spending cut you could get a progressive , liberal , socialist , communist democrat to vote for .

[Brian4Liberty]

Test firing from off the coast of LA to China is the same as testing the other way around: China to LA...

[youngbuck]

Not to mention the cost. One US MinuteMan missile costs about $7 billion. Its range is about twice that of the JL-2s. [/URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman) and that is just to build it- not incuding any infrastructure or maintainance.

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-10995111 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-10995111)



China has 1,150 short-range ballistic missiles and an unknown number of medium-range missiles, the report says.

The billions of dollars in expenditure has been conducted largely out of the public eye, the report alleges.

"The limited transparency in China's military and security affairs enhances uncertainty and increases the potential for misunderstanding and miscalculation," it says.

[oyarde]

Test firing from off the coast of LA to China is the same as testing the other way around: China to LA...

Yeah , but I like the idea better of the Chinese them shooting at China....

[Cowlesy]

Not to mention the cost. One US MinuteMan missile costs about $7 billion. Its range is about twice that of the JL-2s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman and that is just to build it- not incuding any infrastructure or maintainance.

It's $7 million per missile, not billion.

[tpreitzel]

A test firing by a Chinese submarine probably makes as much sense as any other currently proposed theory. We need evidence.

[oyarde]

A test firing by a Chinese submarine probably makes as much sense as any other currently proposed theory. We need evidence.

Or one of ours .

[Zippyjuan]

[/URL][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-10995111 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-10995111)

Thanks for the numbers. The one reportedly used in the Madsen report was only estimated to number about 24 though (at least on Wiki so there may be more). And thanks Cowlesy for correcting my price tag too. I have since learned that the missile is a three stage one so if that is indeed what was used, they did not fire any of the second or third stages (at least based on the video seen).
http://www.missilethreat.com/missilesoftheworld/id.34/missile_detail.asp

Details


The CSS-NX-5, CSS-NX-4 as it is sometimes labeled, or JL-2 as it is designated by the PRC, is an inter-continental-range, submarine-launched, three-stage solid propellant ballistic missile under development in the People’s Republic of China (PRC). It is the submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) of the newest generation of PRC missiles. It is believed to have been developed along with the DF-23 land-based missile, which was later re-designated the DF-31 (CSS-9) after changes in project requirements. The CSS-NX-5 is reported to be similar to the CSS-9 and it is considered possible for the two missiles to be nearly identical. The CSS-NX-5 is designed for launch from the PRC Type 094 missile submarine, to replace the aging CSS-N-3 missiles currently in operation aboard a single Xia-class Type 092 missile submarine.(1)

The CSS-NX-5 has sufficient range to strike some US and Russian targets from PRC territorial waters, protected by the PRC air force and navy. In order for it to reach most US targets, however, the missiles’ range needs to be increased by several thousand miles or the SSBM platform needs to be moved well-outside Chinese territorial waters. If equipped with Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle (MIRV) warheads, a single missile could be used to destroy multiple targets, dramatically increasing the damage a single missile submarine could inflict. And as the submarine can also transport the missiles to locations near the target, everywhere in the US and Russia could be vulnerable, though the PRC has not been known to carry nuclear weapons outside Chinese territory.(2)

From a US-perspective, the predecessor to the CSS-NX-5, the CSS-N-3, looked like a first-strike weapon (see CSS-N-3 entry). The CSS-NX-5 does not necessarily appear similar to its predecessor in this regard. The PRC missile submarine force is too small for an effective deterrence policy, thus making the force appear as a first-strike force. The range of the CSS-NX-5, however, overcomes some of these size disadvantages, since submarines carrying the missile can be used effectively without leaving PRC territorial waters. From this perspective, the missile represents a readily mobile and easily hidden asset to a strategy of nuclear deterrence. On the other hand, the CSS-NX-5 still has distinct advantages as a first strike weapon. SSBM mobility would, theoretically, allow the missile to be deployed near US waters and launched without warning.
Missile accuracy, estimated at 300 m CEP, is insufficient for use against missile silos unless the missile was equipped with a high-yield nuclear warhead.

[AuH20]

A test firing by a Chinese submarine probably makes as much sense as any other currently proposed theory. We need evidence.

They recently downgraded our credit rating to A-. They recently filed a complaint asking the G-20 to rein in the Federal Reserve's currency manipulation. Oh and the G20 talks started yesterday. ;)

[1000-points-of-fright]

It's a publicity stunt for the Red Dawn remake. Mystery solved.

[tpreitzel]

They recently downgraded our credit rating to A-. They recently filed a complaint asking the G-20 to rein in the Federal Reserve's currency manipulation. Oh and the G20 talks started yesterday. ;)

Circumstantial, but a place to start ... ;)

[oyarde]

Alright , what is 7 million in Chinese Yaun. I think a Yaun was around fifteen cents last I looked .

[Bruno]

It's $7 million per missile, not billion.

chump change

[Madly_Sane]

They could start mainstreaming those things if they really wanted to... once tensions get tight enough between them and us, they just might

[Aratus]

this thread is from a site run by an intense edgy critic of Alex Jones...
http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5993 GOTO
the small jet, the X-248 even though VIRAT is quite real. we need to
explain a faster exhaust trail than that of a cesna cropduster & the like!

[Aratus]

are there some old WW2 era files about to declassify at a 65 year mark this january?
files FDR era and harry s. truman era, given that we are between milestone dates!!!

[puppetmaster]

if it was a missile then there are several other countries that would have tracked it also....any hear from any other countries news sources? guaranteed Japan would know something

[Bern]

From 2007:


...
American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.

The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.

One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.

The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.

The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.
And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.

According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.

It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.

Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".
...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html#ixzz15Mrfq856

[Kylie]

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