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Lucille
11-11-2010, 11:07 AM
ALERT: Casus Belli - Ex-Post-Facto Law! (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=171940)



After years of negative judicial decisions about the use of a straw-man on mortgages, MERS was about to lose its existence as well as its credibility. But now all of that is set to change as Wall Street money is pouring into the coffers of those who are receptive (i.e., almost everyone in Congress). The legislation is already being drafted under the interstate commerce clause to ratify MERS and everything it did retroactively. It appears that the Obama administration is ready to pardon all the securitization deviants by signing this bill into law. This information is corroborated by several people who are in sensitive positions — persons who would be the first to know such proposals.
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Besides the obvious seediness of this maneuver, it runs roughshod over state property laws, and the rights of investors, homeowners and borrowers. It amounts to a permanent installation of a Federal system that supersedes the county records for recording property rights. Off-record comments I’ve heard from people in power are outraged at this assault on states’ rights. But these people are not legislators, who are getting promises larger than anything in your imagination, if they will support such a bill. It might be couched as a uniform law to be adopted by the states to get around the states rights issues, but it will permanently remove some of the power over property that lies solely within the jurisdiction of the states and place it preemptively within federal jurisdiction.

All of this is scheduled to happen during the lame duck session of congress between now and the end of the this year, 2010. That means in a manner of days, some bill that may look like it has nothing to do with property, mortgages or foreclosures is going to have attached to it a provision whose effect will go even further than the notarization bill that went through Congress like S–t through a goose and almost got signed by the President. We caught that one AFTER it was passed by Congress unanimously but before Obama signed it.

We announced it as an attempt at a presidential pardon to all those who committed crimes in the notarization of documents that were fabricated and forged, all those who committed forgery and perjury and all those who created counterfeit documentation that was presented to courts as original documents.

This time we got the information, we think, before it was stitched into some innocuous looking bill. If we don’t find it and block it, the plight of homeowners will get that much worse.

That would be an ex-post-facto law, and is explicitly barred by The Constitution.

Such a bill, were it to be promulgated, would be an act of intentional subversion of The Constitution and a violation of the oath of office of every Congressperson who votes or argues for it.

If such a law is in fact introduced it would turn the rule of law on its ear and make clear that we now live in a nation where literal theft will be made legal retroactively by the Congress and President in an explicit form and with the impact of literally stealing millions of privately-held homes.

Their first attempt was discussed here: Is HR3808 The Equivalent Of TARP 2 And Obama’s “Get Out Of Bail” Gift Card For The High Frequency Signing Scandal? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=263657)

HOLLYWOOD
11-11-2010, 11:17 AM
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3808/show

H.R.3808 - Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2009

To require any Federal or State court to recognize any notarization made by a notary public licensed by a State other than the State where the court is located when such notarization occurs in or affects interstate commerce. view all titles (5) (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3808/show#)

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Official: To require any Federal or State court to recognize any notarization made by a notary public licensed by a State other than the State where the court is located when such notarization occurs in or affects interstate commerce. as introduced.
Short: Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2009 as introduced.
Short: Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2009 as passed house.
Short: Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2010 as passed house.
Short: Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2010 as passed senate



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http://www.opencongress.org/images/photos/thumbs_42/400004.png (http://www.opencongress.org/person/show/400004_Robert_Aderholt) Representative
Robert Aderholt (http://www.opencongress.org/person/show/400004_Robert_Aderholt) R-AL

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Rep. Bruce Braley [D, IA-1] (http://www.opencongress.org/person/show/412208)
Rep. Michael Castle [R, DE-0] (http://www.opencongress.org/person/show/400070)
Rep. Artur Davis [D, AL-7] (http://www.opencongress.org/person/show/400092)



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House Judiciary - Courts and Competition Policy (http://www.opencongress.org/committee/show/584)
Senate Judiciary (http://www.opencongress.org/committee/show/180)



House Judiciary (http://www.opencongress.org/committee/show/161)



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Introduced House
Passed Senate
Passed President
Vetoed

10/14/09 04/27/10 09/27/10 10/08/10

Latest Action Oct 08, 2010Vetoed by President. (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3808/actions_votes) Related Bills (0) & Issues (9) (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3808/show#bill_list) Users Tracking H.R.3808 (5) (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3808/show#users_tracking)


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9/27/2010--Passed Senate without amendment. (This measure has not been amended since it was introduced. The summary of that version is repeated here.) Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2010 - Requires each federal and state court to recognize any lawful notarization occurring Close (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3808/show#)
Official Summary
9/27/2010--Passed Senate without amendment. (This measure has not been amended since it was introduced. The summary of that version is repeated here.) Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2010 - Requires each federal and state court to recognize any lawful notarization occurring in or affecting interstate commerce which is made by a notary public licensed or commissioned under the laws of a state other than the state where the court is located. Requires such a notarization to:
(1) use a seal of office as symbol of the notary public's authority; or
(2) have the seal information, in the case of an electronic record, securely attached to, or logically associated with, the electronic record so as to render the record tamper-resistant.

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Lucille
11-16-2010, 04:58 PM
RED ALERT! HR-3808 Veto Override Attempt (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=172452)


They really are going to try to override the Presidential Veto tomorrow (11/17/2010)

GET ON THE PHONE TO YOUR REP AND SENATORS RIGHT NOW!...

goldenequity
11-16-2010, 06:21 PM
I NEED a Call List.... not a .gov website..

with the 202 phone numbers for Reps and Senators...

I'm posting to a very active forum who's asking for it... now.

Can ANYBODY help.... ?????

Fax numbers would be excellent too.... any spread sheets out there?????:eek::eek:

Thank you!!!!! :)

Lucille
11-16-2010, 06:57 PM
I NEED a Call List.... not a .gov website..

with the 202 phone numbers for Reps and Senators...

I'm posting to a very active forum who's asking for it... now.

Can ANYBODY help.... ?????

Fax numbers would be excellent too.... any spread sheets out there?????:eek::eek:

Thank you!!!!! :)

http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

Just click on the state and you're off.

goldenequity
11-16-2010, 07:18 PM
http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

Just click on the state and you're off.

Great Lucille.... just what I was looking for...
btw...

they need 2/3 to override the veto....
so leaving mssgs tonite is worthwhile... tomorrow too.

Cheers,
G.

Lucille
11-16-2010, 07:27 PM
Great Lucille.... just what I was looking for...
btw...

they need 2/3 to override the veto....
so leaving mssgs tonite is worthwhile... tomorrow too.

Cheers,
G.

You're welcome! Thanks for getting the word out!

Lucille
11-17-2010, 05:48 PM
It failed in the House!

Of course, a majority of the GOP voted to undermine state sovereignty (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=168500), violate their oaths (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=171940) of office, and give the bankstas yet another get out of jail free card.

Denninger: HR 3808 Dies (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=172573)

ZH: 4closureFraud H.R. 3808 Alert - Disposing of the President’s Veto of H.R. 3808- Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2010 (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/4closurefraud-hr-3808-alert-disposing-president%E2%80%99s-veto-hr-3808-interstate-recognition-notari)

We Won! Bill to Retroactively Immunize Mortgage Fraud Defeated (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/we-won-bill-retroactively-immunize-mortgage-fraud-defeated)

Yes, Vox (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2010/10/wnd-column_11.html), the Republicans are indeed that dumb:


If the Republican leadership is dumb enough to attempt to defend this large-scale banking fraud against the interests of defaulting homeowners and responsible taxpayers alike, they're going to risk throwing away the entire advantage that they have derived from two years of Obama's political incompetence. This is the one thing they could do that would force the Tea Partiers to leave the Republican Party and transform into a genuine third party. And it's not impossible; remember, it was a Republican who introduced HR3808 and it was the Republican leadership that was complicit in allowing it to pass on an unrecorded voice vote.

(More from Vox on Foreclosuregate (http://voxday.blogspot.com/search?q=foreclosure).)

Lucille
11-17-2010, 06:10 PM
Roll call: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll573.xml

Only 5 Republicans voted Nay. Yes, of course RP was one of them. I never had a doubt.