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ericsnow
11-11-2010, 10:55 AM
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Jesse Ventura’s Conspiracy Theory Proves FEMA Camps Exist for American Citizens in New Episode that Airs Friday, Nov. 12 10 PM EST / 9 PM CST Only on TruTV

This powerful episode is the largest and most in-depth investigation into FEMA camps ever aired on television. Radio host and filmmaker Alex Jones returns to the series yet again, as the team takes you to confirmed on-the-ground facilities, confronts the legislators who authorized FEMA camps and breaks down the full-scale technologically-integrated police state that includes Fusion Centers, FEMA, the Department of Homeland Security and more.

At one of many real and verified FEMA locations, Jesse Ventura and Alex Jones approach a “Residential Center” run by Homeland Security in central Texas where they find locked doors, double-fences and escape warnings around the entire perimeter. Further inside the facility, they witness a playground complex, swings and slides for children. The crew walks up to the front door and attempts to get some answers. But the officials refuse to either confirm or deny the facility’s purpose, including whether or not American citizens are being held inside. However, our past investigations into this facility reveal that it has confined both children and adults, including immigrants, refugee seekers and American citizens.

http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-fema-camps-confirmed/

YouTube - Bombshell: FEMA Camps Confirmed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anBdjS9IOkw&feature)

puppetmaster
11-11-2010, 11:06 AM
fun watch

Aratus
11-11-2010, 11:08 AM
shades of nazi germany returning or poor new orleans during katrina part two?
despite DECISION POINTS being topical, or because its a topical whitewash from
the oval office, we must keep in mind America saw people dehydrating in front
of the tv cameras as we witnessed the aftermath of the devastation in louisiana.

RonPaulCult
11-11-2010, 11:41 AM
uh oh Glenn Beck - watch out!

ericsnow
11-11-2010, 12:41 PM
YouTube - Glenn Beck's FEMA Backflip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izjfdfDHjWQ&feature)

Teaser Rate
11-11-2010, 01:12 PM
Hasn't this myth already been debunked (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850) ?

ericsnow
11-11-2010, 01:20 PM
Hasn't this myth already been debunked (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850) ?

LOL Popular Mechanics

They also said 9/11 wasn't an inside job :rolleyes:

They are a globalist front.

Teaser Rate
11-11-2010, 01:22 PM
LOL Popular Mechanics

They also said 9/11 wasn't an inside job :rolleyes:

They are a globalist front.

As did Ron Paul.

TC95
11-11-2010, 01:24 PM
As did Ron Paul.

Yeah, well, nobody's perfect.

dannno
11-11-2010, 01:29 PM
As did Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is not a reputable scientific investigative journal.

How can you possibly "debunk" concentration camps? You can prove they exist, as they appear to have done here, or you can't prove they exist.. but it would be impossible to prove that they don't exist.

RonPaulCult
11-11-2010, 01:29 PM
As did Ron Paul.

Only because he had to - not because he meant it.

AGRP
11-11-2010, 01:32 PM
So there are secret camps set up to hold millions of people around this country and we're led to believe they don't exist; that if they do exist they're for our own good?

lol

dannno
11-11-2010, 01:34 PM
Even if Popular Mechanics disproved some or (unlikely) all of the evidence that there was for FEMA camps in a past article, there is no reason why new information cannot turn up later that proves that they do exist. It appears this documentary is filled with new information, however if you doubt that the past evidence for camps and related legislation is strong evidence that they have something in the works, I recommend you go back and do more research before the show airs on Friday.

jmdrake
11-11-2010, 01:40 PM
As did Ron Paul.

If you learn anything from Rand Paul's victory in KY it's this. Sometimes to be politically viable politicians don't always say what they believe. I know that's shocking to some, but it's true. Ron Paul was asked after the 2008 election was over why didn't come "come out with the truth about 9/11". He said, and I'm quoting "Because that would be too controversial to me." If he really believed the official story about 9/11 he could have said "I've already come out with the truth about 9/11". And no, I won't post a link here on the main forum and violate the spirit of the forum rules. But you can do a search and find the video of this if you are interested.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. The same people who try to "debunk" 9/11 and FEMA also call the North American Union (something Ron Paul has talked about openly) a "conspiracy theory". And they are the same idiots who claim Oswald acted alone. Actually these people aren't idiots. They just think you are.

jmhudak17
11-11-2010, 02:53 PM
9/11 wasn't done by the government, Oswald did act alone, and I highly doubt there are FEMA concentration camps (although I will watch the video in this thread and see if it changes my opinion in a bit).

EDIT: The short video in the thread didn't give any proof, but it looks interesting. I'll probably watch the real show to see if there's actually any real proof.

ericsnow
11-11-2010, 03:23 PM
9/11 wasn't done by the government

From 1,355 architects and engineers for 9/11 truth - http://www.ae911truth.org/en/home.html

BTW 1,355 is A LOT considering they have nothing to gain by coming out for 9/11 truth and everything to lose.

http://www.ae911truth.org/images/stories/explo2.jpg
As seen in this revealing photo, the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:
1. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
2. Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
3. Extremely rapid onset of destruction
4. Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
5. Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally
6. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
7. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
8. 1200-foot-dia. debris field: no "pancaked" floors found
9. Isolated explosive ejections 20 40 stories below demolition front
10. Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
11. Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
12. Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
13. Evidence of explosives found in dust samples
14. No precedent for steel-framed high-rise collapse due to fire

And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never collapsed


http://www.ae911truth.org/images/website_template/911_wtc7_20001c.png
WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:
1. Rapid onset of "collapse"
2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a second before the building's destruction
3.Symmetrical "structural failure" -- through the path of greatest resistance -- at free-fall acceleration
4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint
5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
6. Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
7. Fore-knowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY

In the the aftermath of WTC7's destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendary devices was discovered:
8. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
9. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly-qualified witnesses
10. Chemical signature of thermite (high tech incendiary) found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples

WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never "collapsed".

As you can see from the picture below WTC 7 was two city blocks away from the twin towers. Little debris fell on it and the buildings to its left and right DID NOT collapse. Even WTC 4 and 5 which were much closer to the twin towers did not collapse.
http://buildingwhat.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wtc-building-7-map_2.jpg

Even if ALL the debris from the twin towers collapsed on WTC 7 it would not collapse at free speed (as shown below on left, the right is a standard controlled demolition).

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6668/wtc7vsdemo2mb2.gif

Hundreds of people including many firefighters, police officers, and news reporters heard and saw bombs going off in the buildings. Here are a few of hundreds of those eyewitness testimonies below.


Research in eyewitness testimony is mostly considered a subfield within legal psychology, however it is a field with very broad implications. Human reports are normally based on visual perception, which is generally held to be very reliable (if not irrefutable).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony

YouTube - Firemen Explosion Testimony (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o&feature=player_embedded)
YouTube - NIST Explosions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2lp4d1GjzE&feature=player_embedded)
YouTube - Audible Explosion at South Tower Collapse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fNLz8zWwaM&feature=player_embedded)

In this video top chemical engineer Mark Basile discusses how he found thermite in the World Trade Center dust using the scientific method.

YouTube - 9/11: EXPLOSIVE TESTIMONY EXCLUSIVE Mark Basile Chemical Engineer.m4v (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZNQq7XBLwc&feature=player_embedded)

The official story said WTC building 7 collapsed because of fire. This building in Bejing did not collapse despite being totally engulfed in flames.
\YouTube - CCTV/TVCC fire in Beijing (HD version) 北京央视大楼着火 - close-up of fire explosion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hSPFL2Zlpg&feature=player_embedded)

Meanwhile building 7 with small isolated fires collapsed at free fall speed, defying the laws of physics.
YouTube - CBS - Rare footage of north side of WTC7 on fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4SEhMpbo74&feature=player_embedded)

As engineer Jeff Becker so bravely said in a West Virginia senatorial debate last month... "The only way for the official story to make sense is if the laws of physics had changed on that day".
YouTube - W.Virginia Candidate Jeff Becker Questions WTC 7 Collapse in Senate Debate on C-SPAN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2BpZPRfTOY&feature=player_embedded)


Newly disclosed Port Authority documents suggested that the towers were designed to withstand the kind of airplane strike that they suffered on Sept. 11.

The Port Authority officials and outside engineers involved in designing the buildings suggested that the designers considered an accidental crash only by slower aircraft, moving at less than 200 miles per hour. The newly disclosed documents, from the 1960's, show that the Port Authority considered aircraft moving at 600 m.p.h., slightly faster and therefore more destructive than the ones that did hit the towers, Dr. Sunder said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/03/nyregion/03TOWE.html?ei=5007&en=a2c62eb2b42cf30c&ex=1385874000&adxnnl=1


By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism it was to be a simulated accident.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/agency_planned_exercise_on_sept_11_built_around_a_ plane_crashing_into_a_building.htm

There was a planned drill that day so there would be confusion and Dick Cheney could give NORAD the orders to stand down with no repercussions.
YouTube - Dick Cheney Gave Stand Down Orders on 9/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRJAI4-e7Xw&feature=player_embedded)

According to the 9/11 Commission Report, Anwar Al-Awlaki was #3 in Al Qaeda at the time of the 9/11 attacks. Interestingly enough Anwar Al-Awlaki had dinner at the Pentagon months after 9/11 with top members of the military.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/20/al-qaeda-terror-leader-dined-pentagon-months/

And here are the official documents proving it - http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/awlaki.pdf

And the CIA has admitted to making fake Bin Laden videos...


Two former CIA officials have admitted to creating a fake video in which intelligence officers dressed up as Osama Bin Laden and his cronies in an effort to defame the terrorist leader throughout the middle east.http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_ideas_to_d.html

Still believe the official story?

EndDaFed
11-11-2010, 03:36 PM
Alex Jones sure knows how to pimp. That was basically a promo for an upcoming show. He must take his audience for fools.

Now he has David Icke on his show. He must have figured out fast that you don't alienate a large section of the conspiracy crowd if you want to make mega bank.

Then:
YouTube - Re: Special Messege from Alex Jones - Fight the Reptilians (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukAwBRDfHdI)
Now:
YouTube - David Icke: Humanity's Last Chance - Alex Jones Tv 1/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekSG09Yv2-I)

jmhudak17
11-11-2010, 03:40 PM
Yes, I still believe that Al Qaeda did 9/11. I've seen all of that evidence from your side, and I've seen all of it from the other side. I still believe that the government was not involved.

specsaregood
11-11-2010, 03:41 PM
Only because he had to - not because he meant it.

Sounds like you just called Dr. Paul a liar.

jmhudak17
11-11-2010, 03:43 PM
Alex Jones sure knows how to pimp. That was basically a promo for an upcoming show. He must take his audience for fools.

Now he has David Icke on his show. He must have figured out fast that you don't alienate a large section of the conspiracy crowd if you want to make mega bank.

Then:
YouTube - The "Turd in a punch bowl" remark. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjG-ZA9L-L0)
Now:
YouTube - David Icke: Humanity's Last Chance - Alex Jones Tv 1/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekSG09Yv2-I)

David Icke, the Reptilians guy. I'll never take him seriously.

Zippyjuan
11-11-2010, 03:46 PM
Conspiracy Theory never proves anything- they can't. Instead they use inuendo and things taken out of context to imply things. It is entertainment. Yes, FEMA has plans to try to deal with disasters- that is their job. Is there a plan (and resources) to round up millions of people to inter them in camps? To what end? Do they (or the government) have the resources to round up all the people in the United States (or even ten percent of them) and the physical space to put and feed them? Are these camps big enough and have enough security (walls, barbed wire fencing) to keep people in? The entire US prison system has about 2.3 million people in it. Where are they going to put 20 million or 300 million?

EndDaFed
11-11-2010, 03:50 PM
Conspiracy Theory never proves anything- they can't. Instead they use inuendo and things taken out of context to imply things. It is entertainment. Yes, FEMA has plans to try to deal with disasters- that is their job. Is there a plan (and resources) to round up millions of people to inter them in camps? To what end? Do they (or the government) have the resources to round up all the people in the United States (or even ten percent of them) and the physical space to put and feed them? Are these camps big enough and have enough security (walls, barbed wire fencing) to keep people in? The entire US prison system has about 2.3 million people in it. Where are they going to put 20 million or 300 million?

You need a place to put them before you can sort them and eliminate the waste. :D

oyarde
11-11-2010, 03:51 PM
9/11 wasn't done by the government, Oswald did act alone, and I highly doubt there are FEMA concentration camps (although I will watch the video in this thread and see if it changes my opinion in a bit).

EDIT: The short video in the thread didn't give any proof, but it looks interesting. I'll probably watch the real show to see if there's actually any real proof.

Oswald act alone ? Nope.

oyarde
11-11-2010, 03:52 PM
Conspiracy Theory never proves anything- they can't. Instead they use inuendo and things taken out of context to imply things. It is entertainment. Yes, FEMA has plans to try to deal with disasters- that is their job. Is there a plan (and resources) to round up millions of people to inter them in camps? To what end? Do they (or the government) have the resources to round up all the people in the United States (or even ten percent of them) and the physical space to put and feed them? Are these camps big enough and have enough security (walls, barbed wire fencing) to keep people in? The entire US prison system has about 2.3 million people in it. Where are they going to put 20 million or 300 million?

You think the commies are worried about feeding you ? :)

ericsnow
11-11-2010, 03:54 PM
Alex Jones sure knows how to pimp. That was basically a promo for an upcoming show. He must take his audience for fools.

Now he has David Icke on his show. He must have figured out fast that you don't alienate a large section of the conspiracy crowd if you want to make mega bank.

That first video is from like 10 years ago. Alex didn't even know David Icke then. He now knows David Icke personally. AJ still thinks Icke has some wild beliefs but he knows Icke is the real deal and he agrees with him almost 100% on everything besides the reptilian stuff and the moon spaceship theory stuff (which actually has a lot of science to back it up).

MyLibertyStuff
11-11-2010, 04:14 PM
From 1,355 architects and engineers for 9/11 truth - http://www.ae911truth.org/en/home.html

BTW 1,355 is A LOT considering they have nothing to gain by coming out for 9/11 truth and everything to lose.

http://www.ae911truth.org/images/stories/explo2.jpg
As seen in this revealing photo, the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:
1. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
2. Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
3. Extremely rapid onset of destruction
4. Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
5. Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally
6. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
7. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
8. 1200-foot-dia. debris field: no "pancaked" floors found
9. Isolated explosive ejections 20 40 stories below demolition front
10. Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
11. Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
12. Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
13. Evidence of explosives found in dust samples
14. No precedent for steel-framed high-rise collapse due to fire

And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never collapsed


http://www.ae911truth.org/images/website_template/911_wtc7_20001c.png
WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:
1. Rapid onset of "collapse"
2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a second before the building's destruction
3.Symmetrical "structural failure" -- through the path of greatest resistance -- at free-fall acceleration
4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint
5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
6. Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
7. Fore-knowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY

In the the aftermath of WTC7's destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendary devices was discovered:
8. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
9. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly-qualified witnesses
10. Chemical signature of thermite (high tech incendiary) found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples

WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never "collapsed".

As you can see from the picture below WTC 7 was two city blocks away from the twin towers. Little debris fell on it and the buildings to its left and right DID NOT collapse. Even WTC 4 and 5 which were much closer to the twin towers did not collapse.
http://buildingwhat.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wtc-building-7-map_2.jpg

Even if ALL the debris from the twin towers collapsed on WTC 7 it would not collapse at free speed (as shown below on left, the right is a standard controlled demolition).

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6668/wtc7vsdemo2mb2.gif

Hundreds of people including many firefighters, police officers, and news reporters heard and saw bombs going off in the buildings. Here are a few of hundreds of those eyewitness testimonies below.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony

YouTube - Firemen Explosion Testimony (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o&feature=player_embedded)
YouTube - NIST Explosions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2lp4d1GjzE&feature=player_embedded)
YouTube - Audible Explosion at South Tower Collapse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fNLz8zWwaM&feature=player_embedded)

In this video top chemical engineer Mark Basile discusses how he found thermite in the World Trade Center dust using the scientific method.

YouTube - 9/11: EXPLOSIVE TESTIMONY EXCLUSIVE Mark Basile Chemical Engineer.m4v (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZNQq7XBLwc&feature=player_embedded)

The official story said WTC building 7 collapsed because of fire. This building in Bejing did not collapse despite being totally engulfed in flames.
\YouTube - CCTV/TVCC fire in Beijing (HD version) 北京央视大楼着火 - close-up of fire explosion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hSPFL2Zlpg&feature=player_embedded)

Meanwhile building 7 with small isolated fires collapsed at free fall speed, defying the laws of physics.
YouTube - CBS - Rare footage of north side of WTC7 on fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4SEhMpbo74&feature=player_embedded)

As engineer Jeff Becker so bravely said in a West Virginia senatorial debate last month... "The only way for the official story to make sense is if the laws of physics had changed on that day".
YouTube - W.Virginia Candidate Jeff Becker Questions WTC 7 Collapse in Senate Debate on C-SPAN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2BpZPRfTOY&feature=player_embedded)


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/03/nyregion/03TOWE.html?ei=5007&en=a2c62eb2b42cf30c&ex=1385874000&adxnnl=1


http://www.prisonplanet.com/agency_planned_exercise_on_sept_11_built_around_a_ plane_crashing_into_a_building.htm

There was a planned drill that day so there would be confusion and Dick Cheney could give NORAD the orders to stand down with no repercussions.
YouTube - Dick Cheney Gave Stand Down Orders on 9/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRJAI4-e7Xw&feature=player_embedded)

According to the 9/11 Commission Report, Anwar Al-Awlaki was #3 in Al Qaeda at the time of the 9/11 attacks. Interestingly enough Anwar Al-Awlaki had dinner at the Pentagon months after 9/11 with top members of the military.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/20/al-qaeda-terror-leader-dined-pentagon-months/

And here are the official documents proving it - http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/awlaki.pdf

And the CIA has admitted to making fake Bin Laden videos...

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_ideas_to_d.html

Still believe the official story?

Owned.

pcosmar
11-11-2010, 04:21 PM
Hasn't this myth already been debunked (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850) ?

No

and some of us have known of them for some time (since the 80s.)

They are clear and documented in the Executive orders signed into law by R. Reagan.

The denial has been debunked.
;)
:mad:

VegasPatriot
11-11-2010, 04:40 PM
Stewart Rhodes will be in this episode. June Sarpong was in Vegas this summer for the interview and I was at the airport hanger during filming.

I have watched all the episodes of season 1 & 2 and it always cracks me up at the expression of shock :eek: that June gives in various times when something big is exposed. During Stewart's interview she gave the same look... :eek::eek::eek:

I had to leave the filming area I was laughing so hard on the inside. This should be a good episode.

Zippyjuan
11-11-2010, 04:50 PM
No

and some of us have known of them for some time (since the 80s.)

They are clear and documented in the Executive orders signed into law by R. Reagan.

The denial has been debunked.
;)
:mad:

This is the FEMA portion of the Reagan Executive Order (#12656):

PART 17-Federal Emergency Management Agency

Sec. 1701. Lead Responsibilifies.

In addition to the applicable responsibilities covered in Parts 1 and 2, the Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency shall:

(1) Coordinate and support the initiation, development, and implementation of national security emergency preparedness programs and plans among Federal departments and agencies;

(2) Coordinate the development and implementation of plans for the operation and continuity of essential domestic emergency functions of the Federal Government during national security emergencies;

(3) Coordinate the development of plans, in cooperation with the Secretary of Defense, for mutual civil-military support during national security emergencies;

(4) Guide and assist State and local governments and private sector organizations in achieving preparedness for national security emergencies, including development of plans and procedures for assuring continuity of government, and support planning for prompt and coordinated Federal assistance to States and localities in responding to national security emergencies;

(5) Provide the President a periodic assessment of Federal, State, and local capabilities to respond to national security emergencies;

(6) Coordinate the implementation of policies and programs for efficient mobilization of Federal, State, local, and private sector resources in response to national security emergencies;

(7) Develop and coordinate with all appropriate agencies civil defense programs to enhance Federal, State, local, and private sector capabilities for national security emergency crisis management, population protection, and recovery in the event of an attack on the United States;

(8) Develop and support public information, education and training programs to assist Federal, State, and local government and private sector entities in planning for and implementing national security emergency preparedness programs;

(9) Coordinate among the heads of Federal, State, and local agencies the planning, conduct, and evaluation of national security emergency exercises;

(10) With the assistance of the heads of other appropriate Federal departments and agencies, develop and maintain capabilities to assess actual attacks damage and residual recovery capabilities as well as capabilities to estimate the effects of potential attacks on the Nation;

(11) Provide guidance to the heads of Federal departments and agencies on the appropriate use of defense production authorities, including resource claimancy, in order to improve the capability of industry and infrastructure systems to meet national securitv emergency needs;

(12) Assist the Secretary of State in coordinating the formulation and implementation of United States policy for NATO and other allied civil emergency planning, including the provision of:

(a) advice and assistance to the departments and agencies in alliance civil emergency planning matters;

(b) support to the United States Mission to NATO in the conduct of day-to-day civil emergency planning activities; and

(c) support facilities for NATO Civil Wartime Agencies in cooperation with the Departments of Agriculture, Commerce, Energy, State, and Transportation.

Sec. 1702. Support Responsibilities.

The Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency shall:

(1) Support the heads of other Federal departments and agencies in preparing plans and programs to discharge their national security emergency preparedness responsibilities, including, but not limited to, such programs as mobilizatian preparedness, continuity of government planning, and continuance of industry and infrastructure functions essential to national security;

(2) Support the Secretary of Energy, the Secretary of Defense, and the Members of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in developing plans and capabilities for identifying, analyzing, mitigating, and responding to emergencies related to nuclear weapons, materials, and devices, including mobile and fixed nuclear facilities, by providing, inter alia, off-site coordination;

(3) Support the Administrator of General Services in efforts to promote a government-wide program with respect to Federal buildings and installations to minimize the effects of attack and establish shelter management organizations.



Which "clear and documented" section was it which established FEMA camps?

pcosmar
11-11-2010, 05:10 PM
This is the FEMA portion of the Reagan Executive Order (#12656):


Which "clear and documented" section was it which established FEMA camps?

No. The ones dealing with the "Continuity of Government" as well as the establishment of the Rex 84 programs.
Among them,
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

And that ain't all of them.
:(

jmhudak17
11-11-2010, 05:12 PM
Back to the original video, you guys do realize that the "coffin facility" he is talking about is actually an office of Vantage Products, a private company?

pcosmar
11-11-2010, 05:20 PM
Back to the original video, you guys do realize that the "coffin facility" he is talking about is actually an office of Vantage Products, a private company?

Yup, with long and interesting ties to the Government.

Some other private Corporations (all defense contractors)

Monsanto Corporation
Dow Chemical
Honeywell Inc.
Boeing
Hughes
Northrop Grumman
United Technologies
Health Net

Etc,etc, etc,,,, (the list goes on,,and on)

jmhudak17
11-11-2010, 05:29 PM
Just because it may have some ties to the government doesn't mean they're part of a massive conspiracy. This is starting to get ridiculous. They make grave liners that protect the casket and stop the ground from collapsing onto the coffin.

Zippyjuan
11-11-2010, 05:41 PM
For some reason, FEMA camp talk makes me think of Tommy's Holiday Camp from The Who.

YouTube - tommy's holiday camp (tommy movie) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6KSfCxO8jA)
YouTube - We're Not Gonna Take It - The Who (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPybjZ0f4y4)

Zippyjuan
11-11-2010, 05:42 PM
Just because it may have some ties to the government doesn't mean they're part of a massive conspiracy. This is starting to get ridiculous. They make grave liners that protect the casket and stop the ground from collapsing onto the coffin.

But I thought everything was a government conspiracy?

jmhudak17
11-11-2010, 05:45 PM
Obviously. Aliens who were hired by the government that hang out at Area 51 did 9/11.

pcosmar
11-11-2010, 06:21 PM
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd346/hbkris00/Motivators/Denial.jpg

:cool:

Zippyjuan
11-11-2010, 06:26 PM
Isn't that a river in Egypt? Though you spelled it wrong.

moostraks
11-11-2010, 06:58 PM
Back to the original video, you guys do realize that the "coffin facility" he is talking about is actually an office of Vantage Products, a private company?

Since you brought this up, have you looked any further into the issue to see the parent company is Indel,Inc. http://www.indelinc.com/INDEL_WEB/INDELDTG.shtml

A bit more folksy information here: http://www.answers.com/topic/indel-inc

Its an interesting array of companies with quite a presence in their respective fields globally...

jmdrake
11-11-2010, 07:49 PM
9/11 wasn't done by the government, Oswald did act alone, and I highly doubt there are FEMA concentration camps (although I will watch the video in this thread and see if it changes my opinion in a bit).

EDIT: The short video in the thread didn't give any proof, but it looks interesting. I'll probably watch the real show to see if there's actually any real proof.

Only someone really uninformed would still think Oswald acted alone. History now shows that a second assassination plot against Kennedy was broken up in Chicago several weeks before Dallas.

See: http://www.chicagodefender.com/article-3261-first-black-secret-service-agent-assigned-to-a-president-speaks-out-in-new-book.html

Also the House Committee on assassinations came to the conclusion that Kennedy's death was the work of a conspiracy. You picking the one official report that agrees with the more "comforting" position over the more objective report doesn't really mean anything.

dannno
11-11-2010, 08:02 PM
Also the House Committee on assassinations came to the conclusion that Kennedy's death was the work of a conspiracy. You picking the one official report that agrees with the more "comforting" position over the more objective report doesn't really mean anything.

Yes, audio evidence clearly showed a second gunman and the commission proved this.

jmdrake
11-11-2010, 08:03 PM
For everyone who wants to keep his head in the sand and believe that all conspiracies are fake:

Obama calling the North American Union a "conspiracy theory" and denying that the CFR has a private membership.

YouTube - Barack Obama CAUGHT LYING about NAU & CFR ties (2 angles) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUh_4MGTK0Q)

Dick Cheney talking about keeping his membership in the CFR a secret.

YouTube - Dick Cheney ex-director of CFR talks to David Rockefeller (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg)

Ron Paul talking about the North American Union and the CFR.

YouTube - Ron Paul talks about the North American Union (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8HMwg44pgs)

And before any ostriches try to rebut by saying "The North American Union and the CFR are different from FEMA camps or 9/11 or Oswald", let me point out that FEMA is different from 9/11 which is different from Oswald and all of that is different from aliens at Roswell. Almost everybody is a "conspiracy theorist" of some form or fashion. The real question is what actual evidence is there to back up the claim. (For instance, the evidence that Oswald did not act alone is now overwhelming considering the other assassination attempt.) If people can get past emotional reactions against things they'd rather not believe and quit jumping into "ridicule" mode then it would be possible to have fruitful discussions on even controversial topics.

oyarde
11-11-2010, 08:06 PM
Yes, audio evidence clearly showed a second gunman and the commission proved this.

I have put on this board the names of those involved .

jmdrake
11-11-2010, 08:13 PM
Conspiracy Theory never proves anything- they can't. Instead they use inuendo and things taken out of context to imply things. It is entertainment. Yes, FEMA has plans to try to deal with disasters- that is their job. Is there a plan (and resources) to round up millions of people to inter them in camps? To what end? Do they (or the government) have the resources to round up all the people in the United States (or even ten percent of them) and the physical space to put and feed them? Are these camps big enough and have enough security (walls, barbed wire fencing) to keep people in? The entire US prison system has about 2.3 million people in it. Where are they going to put 20 million or 300 million?

You're using a straw man argument. (But that's typical). Where did anyone ever claim that everybody would be in the camps? Stalin had camps in the Soviet Union. He didn't need to put everybody in there. He just needed to put enough dissenters in camps to convince other people to get in line. As for the existence of Federal Emergency Management Agency camps, to prove that all you need to do is to actually read the bill. It authorizes setting up the darn things. Now what will they actually be used for? That certainly is cause for speculation. But only a fool would think they didn't exist.

Please see: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645

free1
11-11-2010, 08:23 PM
http://static.infowars.com/2010/11/i/article-images/10conspiracy.jpg

Jesse Venturas Conspiracy Theory Proves FEMA Camps Exist for American Citizens in New Episode that Airs Friday, Nov. 12 10 PM EST / 9 PM CST Only on TruTV

This powerful episode is the largest and most in-depth investigation into FEMA camps ever aired on television. Radio host and filmmaker Alex Jones returns to the series yet again, as the team takes you to confirmed on-the-ground facilities, confronts the legislators who authorized FEMA camps and breaks down the full-scale technologically-integrated police state that includes Fusion Centers, FEMA, the Department of Homeland Security and more.

At one of many real and verified FEMA locations, Jesse Ventura and Alex Jones approach a Residential Center run by Homeland Security in central Texas where they find locked doors, double-fences and escape warnings around the entire perimeter. Further inside the facility, they witness a playground complex, swings and slides for children. The crew walks up to the front door and attempts to get some answers. But the officials refuse to either confirm or deny the facilitys purpose, including whether or not American citizens are being held inside. However, our past investigations into this facility reveal that it has confined both children and adults, including immigrants, refugee seekers and American citizens.

http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-fema-camps-confirmed/

YouTube - Bombshell: FEMA Camps Confirmed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anBdjS9IOkw&feature)Thanks, and here's a bump!

pcosmar
11-11-2010, 09:34 PM
LOL

People still believe in Magic Bullets. :eek:

how intellectually incompetent is that ?

oyarde
11-11-2010, 09:43 PM
LOL

People still believe in Magic Bullets. :eek:

how intellectually incompetent is that ?

Not if they look at it closely for themselves they will not .

jmhudak17
11-11-2010, 11:07 PM
Are there any legitimate peer-reviewed papers in respected scientific journals saying that there were two gunmen?
Here's a good site debunking JFK conspiracy theories: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

jmdrake
11-11-2010, 11:14 PM
Are there any legitimate peer-reviewed papers in respected scientific journals saying that there were two gunmen?
Here's a good site debunking JFK conspiracy theories: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

Any legitimate peer-reviewed papers in respected scientific journals saying there weren't? :rolleyes:

Two serious questions:

1) Why do you believe a handpicked presidential commission by someone who is suspected by some of being involved over the House committee? Ok, you don't trust congress. But you trust the president? :confused:

2) Did you read the link I posted about the second assassination attempt? Do you think that was just "made up"?

Ok, I guess that's three questions.

Edit: Something else your "debunking" site does not cover.

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1918.shtml

Live_Free_Or_Die
11-11-2010, 11:21 PM
We're smart people can we at least co-opt the co-opting of conspiracy theorists by changing the vocabulary...

Collaboration Theories

pcosmar
11-11-2010, 11:21 PM
Are there any legitimate peer-reviewed papers
]
:p
No one but the seriously ignorant believes the official story.
I haven't since 1978 when I watched the footage of the event.

Absolutely NO One with any ballistic knowledge believes that shit.

jmhudak17
11-11-2010, 11:26 PM
I haven't seen any papers that have said anything either way. I was asking that because I was wondering, not because I was trying to disprove you. But you need strong evidence to overturn something that is seen as established fact.
1. I don't trust either the President or Congress to be totally truthful. I make my own decisions based on what I see are facts.
2. I need more than one guy saying something in a book to believe something that there was a massive conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy. Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You have to be skeptical of not just government, but also of everyone else. What might be his reasoning for saying this? To sell books? Is this guy crazy or sane? You have to take everything into account.

Billay
11-11-2010, 11:26 PM
Looks like the batshit crazy wing of the Liberty movement has taken over this board.

jmdrake
11-11-2010, 11:32 PM
I haven't seen any papers that have said anything either way. I was asking that because I was wondering, not because I was trying to disprove you. But you need strong evidence to overturn something that is seen as established fact.
1. I don't trust either the President or Congress to be totally truthful. I make my own decisions based on what I see are facts.
2. I need more than one guy saying something in a book to believe something that there was a massive conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy. Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You have to be skeptical of not just government, but also of everyone else. What might be his reasoning for saying this? To sell books? Is this guy crazy or sane? You have to take everything into account.

Here's the problem with your argument. Using your own standard nothing with regard to the Kennedy assassination has been established as fact! If you give both commissions equal weight and they have come up with opposite conclusions then there is no fact on the record that needs to be "overturned".

Anyway, back to the OP. I've posted a link to the law to establish FEMA camps. Is that "fact" enough for you?

pcosmar
11-11-2010, 11:33 PM
Well, aside from the DERAIL into the Kennedy assassination, and back to the issue of Camps.

Do you deniers reject the facts concerning Rex 84?

overview from Wiki, for quick reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

Do you also deny the related executive orders? orders that have been expanded on by later administrations.
Do you also deny the KBR contracts to refurbish those camps?

Just wondering how much denial is involved here.
;)

jmhudak17
11-11-2010, 11:39 PM
Again, I don't care totally care about what the committees say, I care about what the scientific evidence says. I'll get back on topic though. I was under the impression that H.R. 645 had not passed. Has it?

jmhudak17
11-11-2010, 11:48 PM
Well, aside from the DERAIL into the Kennedy assassination, and back to the issue of Camps.

Do you deniers reject the facts concerning Rex 84?

overview from Wiki, for quick reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

Do you also deny the related executive orders? orders that have been expanded on by later administrations.
Do you also deny the KBR contracts to refurbish those camps?

Just wondering how much denial is involved here.
;)

I obviously don't deny the existence of any executive orders or the plan for Rex 84. I have no reason to deny it.

jmhudak17
11-11-2010, 11:50 PM
I'm just saying that what many people think are "FEMA concentration camps" are actually not. There's a difference between healthy skepticism and rampant paranoia.

Zippyjuan
11-11-2010, 11:57 PM
You're using a straw man argument. (But that's typical). Where did anyone ever claim that everybody would be in the camps? Stalin had camps in the Soviet Union. He didn't need to put everybody in there. He just needed to put enough dissenters in camps to convince other people to get in line. As for the existence of Federal Emergency Management Agency camps, to prove that all you need to do is to actually read the bill. It authorizes setting up the darn things. Now what will they actually be used for? That certainly is cause for speculation. But only a fool would think they didn't exist.

Please see: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645


Anyway, back to the OP. I've posted a link to the law to establish FEMA camps. Is that "fact" enough for you?


Thank you for the link. I note that this is a proposed bill- not a law- and was refered to committee in February 2009 with no further actions taken on it since that time.


Status: Introduced Jan 22, 2009

This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Introduced bills and resolutions first go to committees that deliberate, investigate, and revise them before they go to general debate. The majority of bills and resolutions never make it out of committee. [Last Updated: Jul 1, 2010 6:24AM]

Last Action: Feb 6, 2009: House Armed Services: Referred to the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Unconventional Threats and Capabilities.

Related: See the Related Legislation page for other bills related to this one and a list of subject terms that have been applied to this bill. Sometimes the text of one bill or resolution is incorporated into another, and in those cases the original bill or resolution, as it would appear here, would seem to be abandoned.




The list of related bills and their status:

The list below shows legislation in this and previous sessions of Congress that had the same title as this bill. Often bills are incorporated into other omnibus bills, and you may be able to track the status of provisions of this bill by looking for an omnibus bill below. Note that bills may have multiple titles.

111th Congress: S. 3476Introduced
110th Congress: H.R. 1796Dead
109th Congress: H.R. 4112Dead

Looks like it continues to go nowhere- so nope, not a law.

Zap!
11-12-2010, 12:03 AM
9/11 wasn't done by the government, Oswald did act alone, and I highly doubt there are FEMA concentration camps (although I will watch the video in this thread and see if it changes my opinion in a bit).

EDIT: The short video in the thread didn't give any proof, but it looks interesting. I'll probably watch the real show to see if there's actually any real proof.

I won't get into 9/11, but how can you possibly say Oswald acted alone? You certain about that?

jmhudak17
11-12-2010, 12:06 AM
Zap I'm not certain, but from the scientific evidence I've seen I believe that Oswald acted alone.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041025131255.htm

Marenco
11-12-2010, 01:07 AM
Just remember folks,

Those conspiracies that are too incredible to be believed, are by the same right, those which most often succeed.----Marshall McLuhan, philosopher

Promontorium
11-12-2010, 02:31 AM
There is no evidence that 9/11 was orchestrated by the government. All your "evidence" is merely casting doubt on the "official" story. In your Teapot/Flying Spaghetti Monster logic, you think if one thing isn't true, then it must be this other thing. If there's evolution, it's a test of faith, if you can't see my teapot, it exists, and so on.

I haven't been following this FEMA Camp story, but the common factor in most conspiracy theories is this ability to adapt to evidence, I don't give a shit about thermite, until you find a CIA badge embedded into the steel of the World Trade Center, your conclusions will be non sequitur. Example of bullshit Truther argument, Pentagon hit by missile. Why? Not really important. What's important is the video is suppressed. If the video were released and it showed a plane hitting the Pentagon, would Truthers stfu? OF COURSE NOT, because it is a smokescreen, the actual theory is the government did it, it doesn't matter how. Truthers have a dozen theories on every event, and each one proven wrong has two to replace it. And yet never, ever, ever, is any of this "evidence" an actual indicator of government involvement. Never. Ever. Ever.

speciallyblend
11-12-2010, 05:21 AM
ok,most folks say when i can afford to move ,move to costa rica? Are there any other countries folks would suggest other then my own country??

my 2 yr plan move out of the country or stay at 10,000 ft in Colorado, Wolverines! Fight Gov Terrorism VOTE,

moostraks
11-12-2010, 07:05 AM
There is no evidence that 9/11 was orchestrated by the government. All your "evidence" is merely casting doubt on the "official" story. In your Teapot/Flying Spaghetti Monster logic, you think if one thing isn't true, then it must be this other thing. If there's evolution, it's a test of faith, if you can't see my teapot, it exists, and so on.

I haven't been following this FEMA Camp story, but the common factor in most conspiracy theories is this ability to adapt to evidence, I don't give a shit about thermite, until you find a CIA badge embedded into the steel of the World Trade Center, your conclusions will be non sequitur. Example of bullshit Truther argument, Pentagon hit by missile. Why? Not really important. What's important is the video is suppressed. If the video were released and it showed a plane hitting the Pentagon, would Truthers stfu? OF COURSE NOT, because it is a smokescreen, the actual theory is the government did it, it doesn't matter how. Truthers have a dozen theories on every event, and each one proven wrong has two to replace it. And yet never, ever, ever, is any of this "evidence" an actual indicator of government involvement. Never. Ever. Ever.

The thing about government stories is that most people will cling to them because they are published by offishildumb and deny any reasonable attempts to disprove the lack of logic within their claims. The thought that people with power and money would collaborate to protect said power and money at all costs and would (look shocked here!)lie is completely insane. :rolleyes:

In order to believe the official story one takes the stance that government is being truthful. Considering their track record this seems incredibly naive, imo. Many of us take the stance of looking at official stories from who stands the most to gain from this situation as it stands. Corrupt people bankrupt of any concern do not change their stripes. If you ever lived with an abusive person you would understand this to the core of your being. Abusive people almost always are angling to keep the situation in their favor.

Why so many alternative theories? Because unless you were part of the situation all you can do is surmise and the government is very keen on withholding as much information as possible until it is many years down the road and they can agree they were cullable without much outrage.:(

Teaser Rate
11-12-2010, 07:28 AM
Ron Paul is not a reputable scientific investigative journal.

How can you possibly "debunk" concentration camps? You can prove they exist, as they appear to have done here, or you can't prove they exist.. but it would be impossible to prove that they don't exist.

By the same token, it would be impossible to prove that unicorns dont exit. What the article I linked to shows that most pieces of evidence which support the existence of FEMA camps are illegitimate.


Even if Popular Mechanics disproved some or (unlikely) all of the evidence that there was for FEMA camps in a past article, there is no reason why new information cannot turn up later that proves that they do exist. It appears this documentary is filled with new information, however if you doubt that the past evidence for camps and related legislation is strong evidence that they have something in the works, I recommend you go back and do more research before the show airs on Friday.

Ill watch the show with an open mind, but so far all the evidence Ive seen about the subject has been very unreliable.


If you learn anything from Rand Paul's victory in KY it's this. Sometimes to be politically viable politicians don't always say what they believe. I know that's shocking to some, but it's true. Ron Paul was asked after the 2008 election was over why didn't come "come out with the truth about 9/11". He said, and I'm quoting "Because that would be too controversial to me." If he really believed the official story about 9/11 he could have said "I've already come out with the truth about 9/11". And no, I won't post a link here on the main forum and violate the spirit of the forum rules. But you can do a search and find the video of this if you are interested.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. The same people who try to "debunk" 9/11 and FEMA also call the North American Union (something Ron Paul has talked about openly) a "conspiracy theory". And they are the same idiots who claim Oswald acted alone. Actually these people aren't idiots. They just think you are.

I haven't been able to find that quote, would you mind sending me the link via PM?

Todd
11-12-2010, 08:45 AM
The thing about government stories is that most people will cling to them because they are published by offishildumb and deny any reasonable attempts to disprove the lack of logic within their claims. The thought that people with power and money would collaborate to protect said power and money at all costs and would (look shocked here!)lie is completely insane. :rolleyes:

This is about the only thing I agree with Noam Chomsky on. Are you familiar with the term institutonal analysis?
He has framed the conspiracy debate into one of institutional analysis where you look at what an institution is most likely to do based on documented history of that institution.. So if you look at all the lies governement has told to hold power and protect power, then believing offishildumb without a shred of skepticism is ignorant.

moostraks
11-12-2010, 08:58 AM
This is about the only thing I agree with Noam Chomsky on. Are you familiar with the term institutonal analysis?
He has framed the conspiracy debate into one of institutional analysis where you look at what an institution is most likely to do based on documented history of that institution.. So if you look at all the lies governement has told to hold power and protect power, then believing offishildumb without a shred of skepticism is ignorant.

Can't say as I have heard of the term but seems like common sense to me.

tropicangela
11-12-2010, 09:34 AM
I was under the impression that H.R. 645 had not passed. Has it?

Was there a law at the time of Katrina that said big men (U.S. Marshals) could invade people's homes, tackle nonviolent frail old women, punch them in the face, confiscate their legal guns, then cart them away?

YouTube - Defenseless: New Orleans 'Gun Grab' & Violation of Rights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBNP8ayrOig)

speciallyblend
11-12-2010, 09:55 AM
i know one thing that is confirmed the blood sucking feds and our government are basically sucking our blood dry by taking my money leaving me nothing to take care of me and my disabled wife!! FTG

jmdrake
11-12-2010, 10:07 AM
Again, I don't care totally care about what the committees say, I care about what the scientific evidence says. I'll get back on topic though. I was under the impression that H.R. 645 had not passed. Has it?

But the committees based what their findings on scientific evidence. And there is more evidence than just science. (For example the photograph of CIA agent E. Howard Hunt being arrested coupled with his deathbed confession of being involved in the assassination. This type of evidence is just as admissible in court and can be just as powerful as any scientific evidence.)

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/april2007/300407tramps.jpg

Look at the bill I posted, you are right. That one has not passed. However there are previous bills and executive orders that in effect do similar things. Rex 84 for example.

YouTube - Oliver North Questioned - Rex 84 Exposed During Iran Contra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ)

ericsnow
11-12-2010, 08:49 PM
Live stream - http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/live-stream-chat-conspiracy?xg_source=shorten_twitter

oyarde
11-12-2010, 09:13 PM
I haven't seen any papers that have said anything either way. I was asking that because I was wondering, not because I was trying to disprove you. But you need strong evidence to overturn something that is seen as established fact.
1. I don't trust either the President or Congress to be totally truthful. I make my own decisions based on what I see are facts.
2. I need more than one guy saying something in a book to believe something that there was a massive conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy. Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You have to be skeptical of not just government, but also of everyone else. What might be his reasoning for saying this? To sell books? Is this guy crazy or sane? You have to take everything into account.

If you want to know who really killed Kennedy, look into these names ; E. Howard Hunt ( CIA ) , Frank Sturgis ( CIA contract worker ) , David Atlee Phillips ( CIA) , Cord Meyer ( CIA ) , Sam Giancana , Carlos Marcello , David Morales ( CIA) , M. Lorenz ( CIA ) , Antonio Veciana ( Alpha 66 ) , Lucien Sarti , James Files . Read the court transcripts from Hunts trial . Check the admissions of guilt or involvement of six of these people over a period of many years and you will find none deviate .

oyarde
11-12-2010, 09:17 PM
Are there any legitimate peer-reviewed papers in respected scientific journals saying that there were two gunmen?
Here's a good site debunking JFK conspiracy theories: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

Check page 8 .

Anti Federalist
11-12-2010, 09:20 PM
And yet never, ever, ever, is any of this "evidence" an actual indicator of government involvement. Never. Ever. Ever.

EXCLUSIVE: Al Qaeda Leader Dined at the Pentagon Just Months After 9/11

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/20/al-qaeda-terror-leader-dined-pentagon-months/

"In a dramatic interview with ABCNEWS, FBI special agents and partners Robert Wright and John Vincent say they were called off criminal investigations of suspected terrorists tied to the deadly bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. U.S. officials say al Qaeda was responsible for the embassy attacks and the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States.... The suspected terrorist cell in Chicago was the basis of the investigation, yet Wright, who remains with the FBI, says he soon discovered that all the FBI intelligence division wanted him to do was to follow suspected terrorists and file reports but make no arrests.... 'The supervisor who was there from headquarters was right straight across from me and started yelling at me: 'You will not open criminal investigations. I forbid any of you. You will not open criminal investigations against any of these intelligence subjects,' Wright said.

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/RobertWright.htm

Anthrax from USAAMRID

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

speciallyblend
11-12-2010, 10:13 PM
just saw the show, perfer to have a snow igloo at 12,000 ft then be anywhere near a fema camp, Wolverines!!!

pcosmar
11-12-2010, 10:18 PM
I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never
surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to
resist

If I am captured, I will continue to resist by all means available. I will
make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners.
I will give no information or take part in any action which might be
harmful to my comrades.

:cool:
:mad:

dannno
11-12-2010, 10:29 PM
I guess it's a little too early to be searchin for a tube................

*sigh*

More waiting....

Liberty Rebellion
11-13-2010, 02:45 AM
I guess it's a little too early to be searchin for a tube................

*sigh*

More waiting....

I DVR'd it and just watched. It was pretty good.

Promontorium
11-13-2010, 04:09 AM
EXCLUSIVE: Al Qaeda Leader Dined at the Pentagon Just Months After 9/11

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/20/al-qaeda-terror-leader-dined-pentagon-months/

"In a dramatic interview with ABCNEWS, FBI special agents and partners Robert Wright and John Vincent say they were called off criminal investigations of suspected terrorists tied to the deadly bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. U.S. officials say al Qaeda was responsible for the embassy attacks and the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States.... The suspected terrorist cell in Chicago was the basis of the investigation, yet Wright, who remains with the FBI, says he soon discovered that all the FBI intelligence division wanted him to do was to follow suspected terrorists and file reports — but make no arrests.... 'The supervisor who was there from headquarters was right straight across from me and started yelling at me: 'You will not open criminal investigations. I forbid any of you. You will not open criminal investigations against any of these intelligence subjects,' Wright said.

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/RobertWright.htm

Anthrax from USAAMRID

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks


There could be video of Osama Bin Laden having sex with Bush's wife while Bush filmed it post 9/11, and then, I might get suspicious that... no wait the government is full of liars, still not evidence of 9/11 being an inside job.

jtstellar
11-13-2010, 04:51 AM
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Bossobass
11-13-2010, 04:52 AM
Bounty IS the quicker-picker-upper. I saw the 60 second program and it has all the evidence a good, Prozac-soaked US consumer needs to be convinced that Bounty beats "other brands".

Bosso