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MN Patriot
11-10-2010, 05:16 PM
The American worker is a tax slave. Everyone who works has a substantial amount of money confiscated from them every payday for federal, state and Social Security taxes. A libertarian would consider this to be tantamount to slavery, when the threat of imprisonment is always present for not complying.

The federal government (and some state governments) have increased debt to point where it may never be paid back. In order to pay the interest on those debts, the tax slaves will have more of their money confiscated from them. Of course that is just to pay the interest, the debt will likely never be repaid, and the tax slaves will have to work harder with less for themselves to pay off the debt.

Suppose some radical suggests the tax slaves rebel, and have Congress repeal the 16th Amendment. That would upset many people, because then the financial institutions would be in turmoil. We would suffer from economic collapse. The tax slaves aren't going to provide money needed to pay the interest for the debt.

Compare our current situation with the old South. Ending chattel slavery meant economic collapse; their economy depended on slaves.

Slavery never goes out of style, and it always has its defenders and apologists. Chattel slavery was ended with the 13th Amendment but enslavement to government was instituted with the 16th Amendment. It is very disheartening when people who support free markets also support tax slavery.

Most of the discussion here revolves around the Federal Reserve and cutting government spending, which is fine, but there should be just as much focus on ending the income tax.

Travlyr
11-10-2010, 05:23 PM
Everyone has to pick their battles.
Ending the FED, or even eliminating legal tender laws would put a virtual end to the income tax. Most everyone here is working on the same overall goal. Liberty!

Seraphim
11-10-2010, 05:24 PM
Everyone has to pick their battles.
Ending the FED, or even eliminating legal tender laws would put a virtual end to the income tax. Most everyone here is working on the same overall goal. Liberty!

Agreed. Go after the sickness not the symptom.

MyLibertyStuff
11-10-2010, 05:26 PM
Everyone has to pick their battles.
Ending the FED, or even eliminating legal tender laws would put a virtual end to the income tax. Most everyone here is working on the same overall goal. Liberty!

True. Everyone should do what they do best, and work towards liberty in that!

MN Patriot
11-10-2010, 05:28 PM
Everyone has to pick their battles.
Ending the FED, or even eliminating legal tender laws would put a virtual end to the income tax. Most everyone here is working on the same overall goal. Liberty!

Please explain.

People have been so conditioned to the income tax, and so oblivious to their status as a tax slave, that we need to shock people into waking up to the nature of their predicament. The income tax will not just wither away with neglect, there needs to be a deliberate effort to end the income tax, like there is with auditing (and then ending) the Fed and cutting spending.

MN Patriot
11-10-2010, 05:29 PM
Agreed. Go after the sickness not the symptom.

Please explain.

MN Patriot
11-10-2010, 05:32 PM
Look how the rich supported slavery back then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proslavery_in_the_antebellum_United_States


Southern pro-slavery theorists asserted that slavery eliminated this problem by elevating all free people to the status of "citizen", and removing the landless poor from the political process entirely by means of enslavement. Thus, those who would most threaten economic stability and political harmony were not allowed to undermine a democratic society, because they were not allowed to participate in it. So, in the mindset of pro-slavery men, slavery was for protecting the common good of slaves, masters, and society as a whole.
These and other arguments were used as rhetoric in what has been dubbed "the Marxism of the Master-Class" which fought for the rights of the propertied elite against what were perceived as threats from the abolitionists, lower classes and non-whites to gain higher standards of living. It was directly used to advocate slavery in the rhetoric of John C. Calhoun and other pre-Civil War Democrats, who were struggling to maintain their grip on the Southern economy. They saw the abolition of slavery as a threat to their powerful new Southern market: a market that revolved almost entirely around the plantation system and was supported by the use of black slaves.

Only difference today, since we are all slaves, we can participate in democracy.

MN Patriot
11-10-2010, 05:37 PM
True. Everyone should do what they do best, and work towards liberty in that!

Then explain why there is such opposition to ending the income tax in these forums: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=267135


So we should do away with the income tax without any cuts? You don't understand the gravity of what you are promoting. A default on the debt is not something to strive for. A form of economic crisis is not something to wish for. If the government collapses the anarchic power vacuum that would develop will result in the tyranny that resembles those of the early 20th century. Anyone one cares about freedom wouldn't advocate for anything that kills stability, because freedom is a product of stability.

Seraphim
11-10-2010, 05:38 PM
Please explain.

The Federal Reserve (and all central banks who have been given legal monopoly on debt based currency issuance) is the cause of this.

The US dollar (and virtually all modern currencies) are nothing but issued DEBT. It must be payed back in full plus interest. The only way to make the interest payments is to add more money (inflation).

The income tax is ONE way the Federal Reserve get's it's loans back.

You are a tax slave because you are a slave to a debt based monopoly on the very currency you use.

End central banking and legal tender laws to open up the markets to competing currencies and money. From there watch the size of the Federal Govt deflate and taxes (primarily the federal income tax) disapear.

The hard part is fending off the wolves who are the controlling cartel banks of THE FED.

THEY OWN YOU. They will not surrender easily.

Arklatex
11-10-2010, 05:44 PM
I can't remember the quote, but for everyone 100 men attacking the limbs of tyranny there is 1 attacking the root. Ron Paul is a root attacker. I am a root attacker. You fight for humanity, not yourself. Those just fighting the limbs are doing their small part but come with me and lets dance in victory for all.

MN Patriot
11-10-2010, 05:44 PM
The Federal Reserve (and all central banks who have been given legal monopoly on debt based currency issuance) is the cause of this.

The US dollar (and virtually all modern currencies) are nothing but issued DEBT. It must be payed back in full plus interest. The only way to make the interest payments is to add more money (inflation).

The income tax is ONE way the Federal Reserve get's it's loans back.

You are a tax slave because you are a slave to a debt based monopoly on the very currency you use.

End central banking and legal tender laws to open up the markets to competing currencies and money. From there watch the size of the Federal Govt deflate and taxes (primarily the federal income tax) disapear.

The hard part is fending off the wolves who are the controlling cartel banks of THE FED.

THEY OWN YOU. They will not surrender easily.

Wishful thinking to believe income taxes will just disappear with no deliberate effort to end them.

YES, I KNOW. That was the point of the first post, the government owns us. But few people are aware of that.

How do you expect to wake people up to the nature of the Federal Reserve AND the income tax if few people understand this connection?

We need to wake up the tax slaves but proposing legislation that outlaws payroll withholding of taxes. Make people write a check once a month. Watch the tax revolt.

The legislation wouldn't even have to pass or be voted on. Just suggesting it, and publicizing the idea might be enough to wake people up.

MN Patriot
11-10-2010, 05:46 PM
I can't remember the quote, but for everyone 100 men attacking the limbs of tyranny there is 1 attacking the root. Ron Paul is a root attacker. I am a root attacker. You fight for humanity, not yourself. Those just fighting the limbs are doing their small part but come with me and lets dance in victory for all.

I am fighting against slavery, seems like that is a root problem.

Some people feel entitled to enslave others.

Seraphim
11-10-2010, 05:52 PM
Wishful thinking to believe income taxes will just disappear with no deliberate effort to end them.

YES, I KNOW. That was the point of the first post, the government owns us. But few people are aware of that.

How do you expect to wake people up to the nature of the Federal Reserve AND the income tax if few people understand this connection?

We need to wake up the tax slaves but proposing legislation that outlaws payroll withholding of taxes. Make people write a check once a month. Watch the tax revolt.

The legislation wouldn't even have to pass or be voted on. Just suggesting it, and publicizing the idea might be enough to wake people up.

People ARE waking up. The last elections are indicative of that.

Rand Paul winning the Senate seat is indication. Amash winning, etc.

The Republicans did not just win that election. ACTUAL LIBERTARIANS ALSO DID.

This recent election was not a typical D to R flip flop. There was a serious and legit change in philosophy by a lot of voters. Not enough. But boy oh boy was it a good step in the right direction.


Energy is vibrating through people around the world.

This is global and more and more people ARE waking up to what honest liberty is.

LibForestPaul
11-10-2010, 06:10 PM
Forcing the issue on government spending, government debt, and government taxes WILL force the hand of the FED.

I see it as going in hand in hand. Especially since taxes are tangible to the masses. Debt based bank notes is not.

MN Patriot
11-10-2010, 06:21 PM
People ARE waking up. The last elections are indicative of that.

Rand Paul winning the Senate seat is indication. Amash winning, etc.

The Republicans did not just win that election. ACTUAL LIBERTARIANS ALSO DID.

This recent election was not a typical D to R flip flop. There was a serious and legit change in philosophy by a lot of voters. Not enough. But boy oh boy was it a good step in the right direction.


Energy is vibrating through people around the world.

This is global and more and more people ARE waking up to what honest liberty is.

Then lets keep on stepping in the right direction. Audit and end the Fed. Abolish the income tax and the IRS. Cut government spending, not just 3%, 30% or more in the next ten years.

Wait...

If people are waking up, why are so many people opposed to ending the income tax? It will create financial calamity if the interest on the national debt isn't paid.

Why are so many people opposed to the idea of ending payroll withholding of taxes? That might make people mad when they have to write a check every month.

There are many people who want to maintain the status quo, including so-called conservatives, who by their very definition don't want change.

We need a different way of looking at things, to challenge the status quo. Ending the Fed is part of that challenge. I am proposing another avenue to challenge the status quo, by defining our status as slaves. Our masters are in government and financial institutions who depend on our tax revenue to pay interest on government debt, which was spent on numerous special interests.

The tax slaves need to revolt.

Seraphim
11-10-2010, 06:28 PM
Then lets keep on stepping in the right direction. Audit and end the Fed. Abolish the income tax and the IRS. Cut government spending, not just 3%, 30% or more in the next ten years.

Wait...

If people are waking up, why are so many people opposed to ending the income tax? It will create financial calamity if the interest on the national debt isn't paid.

Why are so many people opposed to the idea of ending payroll withholding of taxes? That might make people mad when they have to write a check every month.

There are many people who want to maintain the status quo, including so-called conservatives, who by their very definition don't want change.

We need a different way of looking at things, to challenge the status quo. Ending the Fed is part of that challenge. I am proposing another avenue to challenge the status quo, by defining our status as slaves. Our masters are in government and financial institutions who depend on our tax revenue to pay interest on government debt, which was spent on numerous special interests.

The tax slaves need to revolt.


Agreed.

Once you understand central banking, it's history, debt based fiat money...you realize that you ARE a slave.

Focusing just on taxes will have you spinning your wheels with a lot of people. WHY ARE WE TRULY BEING TAXED is the greater question.

Once people realize the federal income taxes are to pay off a perpetual unpayable debt and that their wage is being destroyed to feed counter productive socialist programs through inflation, they will start to see things from a FREEDOM and STATIST perspective. A SLAVE MASTER, SLAVE perspective. Not a DEMOCRAT or REPUBLICAN perspective.

MN Patriot
11-10-2010, 06:36 PM
Forcing the issue on government spending, government debt, and government taxes WILL force the hand of the FED.

I see it as going in hand in hand. Especially since taxes are tangible to the masses. Debt based bank notes is not.

Yes, a three pronged attack against the beast of tyranny. (sorry if that sounds kind of corny, but makes good drama :D)

The average citizen doesn't understand or really care about the Federal Reserve. People's eyes perk up when they see those green pieces of paper, but they have never bothered to try and understand what the words on them mean.

Government spending is a little closer to their understanding, although the amounts are practically comprehensible.

TAXES, now people understand taxes. April 15 is the national anti-holiday. That is why payroll withholding was instituted, to keep the costs hidden from people. Keep the slaves productive and silently bleed them every payday.

yoshimaroka
11-10-2010, 06:44 PM
End central banking and legal tender laws to open up the markets to competing currencies and money. From there watch the size of the Federal Govt deflate and taxes (primarily the federal income tax) disapear.

Andrew Jackons killed the first central banking system in the USA, but it came back and now it's gigantic.

The Govt will grow as long as it exists: The United States of America once had no central bank, no income tax and sound money.

Simply ending the central bank and legal tender laws will not put an end to tyranny; it's just cutting branches that will regrow.


"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking the root"
-- Henry D. Thoreau

The root is government. Government is violence. It is the standard model for organized crime: Extort money from people via enforcers while paying those enforces a little bit from the extraction. It's the antithesis of liberty, morality and ethicality. To achieve liberty one must first free oneself, treat others as you would want to be treated, adhere to the Non Aggression Principle, raise your children with respect and freedom, and then abolish government.

In these regards: the Constitution has failed; and it is just a document that others use to legitimize violence and violate the rights of everyone.

YouTube - Democracy: The God That Failed [competing bads] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjMeqminwz8)

MN Patriot
11-10-2010, 06:44 PM
Agreed.

Once you understand central banking, it's history, debt based fiat money...you realize that you ARE a slave.

Focusing just on taxes will have you spinning your wheels with a lot of people. WHY ARE WE TRULY BEING TAXED is the greater question.

Once people realize the federal income taxes are to pay off a perpetual unpayable debt and that their wage is being destroyed to feed counter productive socialist programs through inflation, they will start to see things from a FREEDOM and STATIST perspective. A SLAVE MASTER, SLAVE perspective. Not a DEMOCRAT or REPUBLICAN perspective.

Yes, agreed. But these forums hardly focus on HOW to end the income tax. Focusing just on the Fed alone won't end the income tax.

It should be a three pronged attack:
End the Fed.
End income taxes.
Cut spending.

Have a plan for all three.

MN Patriot
11-10-2010, 06:51 PM
Andrew Jackons killed the first central banking system in the USA, but it came back and now it's gigantic.

The Govt will grow as long as it exists: The United States of America once had no central bank, no income tax and sound money.

Simply ending the central bank and legal tender laws will not put an end to tyranny; it's just cutting branches that will regrow.

The root is government. Government is violence. To achieve liberty, one must first free oneself and then abolish government.

There will always be people who are inclined to enslave others.


It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt.

Seraphim
11-10-2010, 06:52 PM
Andrew Jackons killed the first central banking system in the USA, but it came back and now it's gigantic.

The Govt will grow as long as it exists: The United States of America once had no central bank, no income tax and sound money.

Simply ending the central bank and legal tender laws will not put an end to tyranny; it's just cutting branches that will regrow.



The root is government. Government is violence. It is the standard model for organized crime: Extort money from people via enforcers while paying those enforces a little bit from the extraction. It's the antithesis of liberty, morality and ethicality. To achieve liberty one must first free oneself, treat others as you would want to be treated, adhere to the Non Aggression Principle, raise your children with respect and freedom, and then abolish government.

In these regards: the Constitution has failed; and it is just a document that others use to legitimize violence and violate the rights of everyone.

YouTube - Democracy: The God That Failed [competing bads] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjMeqminwz8)


ya that's why along with Jefferson, he's one of the people I try to be like. True hero's.

yoshimaroka
11-10-2010, 07:01 PM
There will always be people who are inclined to enslave others.

Why? And what is your point? Right now governments are enslaving the whole world.

Without government this would not be the case.

MN Patriot
11-10-2010, 08:10 PM
Why? And what is your point? Right now governments are enslaving the whole world.

Without government this would not be the case.

My point is just that: some people feel they are entitled to enslave others. Where do those people gravitate? Government.

The less government the better, that is why I am trying to convince people the way to end the Marxist inspired income tax is by introducing legislation to end payroll withholding of taxes.

But people who say they are defenders of liberty oppose that idea, because it might cause financial collapse. The tax slaves will be freed, which will cause economic depression because the interest on the national debt won't be paid.

MN Patriot
12-31-2010, 07:38 AM
I am resurrecting this thread because the central idea I introduced has been completely missed by everyone:
Our financial system, and economy in general, depends on tax slavery. If the income tax is ended, what will that do for the national debt, the treasury securities that depend on income tax revenue, the financial system that uses treasury notes, bonds, bills?

Does our economy depend on tax slavery? Yes or no?
This is something new that recently occurred to me. Libertarians have been talking about ending the income tax for years, but I haven't seen the idea that our financial systems depend on tax revenue to remain viable. Similar to the old South depended on chattel slavery for their economic well being.

Perhaps that is the ulterior motive for ending the Fed, to end tax slavery, but Ron Paul and the rest of the Federal Reserve critics have never really publicized that aspect of it.

I still say ending the income tax should be priority number one, since that is understandable for most people.
Reducing the size of government and ending the Fed should also be closely connected to ending the income tax. But few people even understand what the Federal Reserve is, and ending it seems like an impossible task.

romacox
12-31-2010, 07:56 AM
Most of the discussion here revolves around the Federal Reserve and cutting government spending, which is fine, but there should be just as much focus on ending the income tax.

Yes. because if we did away with the Fiat money it would be hard to enslave us. When the British empire moved into South Africa, they needed the African to work the rubber plantations for the venture to be profitable. However, the workers were not dependent on money produced by the government...they traded in cattle. As a result they proved to be unreliable workers, preferring instead to work their own land. Thus the British and Dutch imposed an age old tactic...they imposed property tax on the land of the Africans that could be paid only in fiat money (not cattle). Thus they enslaved the South African, as the Federal Reserve has managed to do with most of the world now.

That is not to diminish the importance of doing away with the 16th amendment. It is also important.

therepublic
12-31-2010, 08:44 AM
Yes. because if we did away with the Fiat money it would be hard to enslave us. When the British empire moved into South Africa, they needed the African to work the rubber plantations for the venture to be profitable. However, the workers were not dependent on money produced by the government...they traded in cattle. As a result they proved to be unreliable workers, preferring instead to work their own land. Thus the British and Dutch imposed an age old tactic...they imposed property tax on the land of the Africans that could be paid only in fiat money (not cattle). Thus they enslaved the South African, as the Federal Reserve has managed to do with most of the world now.

That is not to diminish the importance of doing away with the 16th amendment. It is also important.

taxation and fiat money are closely tied together as a means to enslave. Taking the right steps first, and doing it slowly so as not to collapse the whole economy takes some thought.

Travlyr
12-31-2010, 09:19 AM
"Rather than assume the care of the slaves, they would control labor with the use of capital. It necessarily followed that, when the laborer ceased to be of service because of sickness or old age, he would be of no concern to capital. He could either get well or die without the capitalists being obliged to provide medical attention or bury the dead. Such was the interest that capital had in the result of the Civil War. The people of this country poured out both their treasury and their blood to establish the political and industrial independence of humanity, and the mercenary capitalists turned a trick of finance and converted the enormous sacrifice made by the people during that struggle into a victory for capital in order that they might enforce upon humanity the industrial slavery that the trusts preferred rather than the chattel slavery which then existed in the Southern states." -- Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. of MinnesotaIndustrial slavery and chattel slavery are both slavery.

Ending the Fed, ending the income tax, and limiting the size of government are monumental tasks. Where is best to employ our resources? Where will we get the most bang for our buck?

LibForestPaul
12-31-2010, 09:46 AM
Yes, a three pronged attack against the beast of tyranny. (sorry if that sounds kind of corny, but makes good drama :D)

The average citizen doesn't understand or really care about the Federal Reserve. People's eyes perk up when they see those green pieces of paper, but they have never bothered to try and understand what the words on them mean.

Government spending is a little closer to their understanding, although the amounts are practically comprehensible.

TAXES, now people understand taxes. April 15 is the national anti-holiday. That is why payroll withholding was instituted, to keep the costs hidden from people. Keep the slaves productive and silently bleed them every payday.

I believe a good first part is eliminating the automatic payroll deduction. Everyone should be required to make quarterly estimated taxes instead.

sratiug
12-31-2010, 09:59 AM
The simplest way to end the income tax is to pass a constitutional amendment to replace all internal federal taxes with a double flat tariff on all goods imported from all locations outside the US gradually over a period of 5 or 10 years. The average American WILL VOTE FOR THIS. THEY WILL UNDERSTAND THIS. This will enhance their freedom of trade, bring more jobs and industry, and force multi-national conglomerates to help us reduce spending to lower the tariff.

Travlyr
12-31-2010, 10:01 AM
I believe a good first part is eliminating the automatic payroll deduction. Everyone should be required to make quarterly estimated taxes instead.
This too is a very expensive undertaking. The State will not let this happen without a fight.

Where is best to put our efforts?


Electing liberty candidates
End The Fed
End The Income Tax
End the Wars
Honest Money Constitutional Amendment
Other


What should be our focus?

MN Patriot
12-31-2010, 10:02 AM
I believe a good first part is eliminating the automatic payroll deduction. Everyone should be required to make quarterly estimated taxes instead.

This has been my obsession for some time now. Separate the libertarians from the fascists in Congress and the legislatures by proposing the ending of payroll tax withholding. Wake up the tax slaves to how they are being exploited. Either quarterly or monthly tax payments. People would get sick of paying taxes real fast after writing checks for hundreds of dollars every month.

Any politician who opposes this idea is implicitly agreeing that taxes are too high.

MN Patriot
12-31-2010, 10:08 AM
taxation and fiat money are closely tied together as a means to enslave. Taking the right steps first, and doing it slowly so as not to collapse the whole economy takes some thought.

So our economy DOES depend on slavery. Why is this never mentioned on all of the talk shows by the economists and politicians? This needs to be publicized, so that every citizen is made aware that their enslavement keeps the economy running. Then if they want economic and political freedom, they will reject the paradigm created by the political Establishment.

Travlyr
12-31-2010, 10:19 AM
This has been my obsession for some time now. Separate the libertarians from the fascists in Congress and the legislatures by proposing the ending of payroll tax withholding. Wake up the tax slaves to how they are being exploited. Either quarterly or monthly tax payments. People would get sick of paying taxes real fast after writing checks for hundreds of dollars every month.

Any politician who opposes this idea is implicitly agreeing that taxes are too high.
You'll get two votes. One in the House, and one in the Senate and they'll both have the same last name.

heavenlyboy34
12-31-2010, 10:21 AM
People ARE waking up. The last elections are indicative of that.

Rand Paul winning the Senate seat is indication. Amash winning, etc.

The Republicans did not just win that election. ACTUAL LIBERTARIANS ALSO DID.

This recent election was not a typical D to R flip flop. There was a serious and legit change in philosophy by a lot of voters. Not enough. But boy oh boy was it a good step in the right direction.


Energy is vibrating through people around the world.

This is global and more and more people ARE waking up to what honest liberty is.

Yes it was. The tendency in American elections has always been to prefer one party in the executive and the other in the legislative. It is widely perceived as a check against Federal power, but that is only an illusion. A cursory glance at past examples of one-party domination and the following election cycles demonstrates this.

roho76
12-31-2010, 10:24 AM
The Federal Reserve and the income tax were created with swoop of the same pen. The IRS and the Federal Reserve have a strange relationship. Your income taxes go directly to the Federal Reserve to pay the interest on the money they loan the Federal Government.

Pete Hendrickson as of today jet made his book "Cracking the Code" available for free. I suggest everybody here read it.
http://losthorizons.com/CtCforFree.pdf

MN Patriot
12-31-2010, 11:49 AM
You'll get two votes. One in the House, and one in the Senate and they'll both have the same last name.

Just introducing and publicizing the idea of eliminating payroll tax withholding would advance our cause. Just get the idea in people's heads of how much government exploits them, and more will join our cause. That is my hope, anyway.

Travlyr
12-31-2010, 12:52 PM
Just introducing and publicizing the idea of eliminating payroll tax withholding would advance our cause. Just get the idea in people's heads of how much government exploits them, and more will join our cause. That is my hope, anyway.
I do like your idea in theory. Publicizing the idea has merit if anyone has a blog or a media outlet worth pursuing, then I say go for it. The more people that understand the problem, the better.

As a practical matter, most employees would not be able to save their tax money for even a month, let alone three months. Tax defaults and chaos would be rampant. There is no political will for it. Politicians will not vote to jeopardize their paycheck. Media will denounce it as a fringe idea.

Your approach would be quite effective, if only, it could be promoted and implemented.

erowe1
12-31-2010, 01:04 PM
You'll get two votes. One in the House, and one in the Senate and they'll both have the same last name.

There are others.
http://thomas.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HR03409:@@@P

Too bad we didn't get Hostettler in the Senate this year.

romacox
12-31-2010, 01:07 PM
I do like your idea in theory. Publicizing the idea has merit if anyone has a blog or a media outlet worth pursuing, then I say go for it. The more people that understand the problem, the better.

As a practical matter, most employees would not be able to save their tax money for even a month, let alone three months. Tax defaults and chaos would be rampant. There is no political will for it. Politicians will not vote to jeopardize their paycheck. Media will denounce it as a fringe idea.

Your approach would be quite effective, if only, it could be promoted and implemented.

I would not dismiss MN Patriot"s idea too quickly. He has a blog post here at Ron Paul Forums, Ron Paul Daily, and others. Go for it Patriot. If it has been an obsession for sometime, perhaps something greater than yourself is speaking to you.

Travlyr
12-31-2010, 01:12 PM
Please don't misunderstand, I support his idea.

I'm simply of the opinion that there are bigger, more tasty fish to fry.

MN Patriot
12-31-2010, 01:52 PM
I would not dismiss MN Patriot"s idea too quickly. He has a blog post here at Ron Paul Forums, Ron Paul Daily, and others. Go for it Patriot. If it has been an obsession for sometime, perhaps something greater than yourself is speaking to you.

I didn't put any blob posts anywhere. If others are pursuing this idea, great! Link?

romacox
12-31-2010, 02:12 PM
Quote Originally Posted by MN Patriot View Post
"Just introducing and publicizing the idea of eliminating payroll tax withholding would advance our cause. Just get the idea in people's heads of how much government exploits them, and more will join our cause. That is my hope, anyway." Checking back to your original statement, and saw where you had said "it has been my passion for some time."


I do like your idea in theory. Publicizing the idea has merit if anyone has a blog or a media outlet worth pursuing, then I say go for it. The more people that understand the problem, the better.

As a practical matter, most employees would not be able to save their tax money for even a month, let alone three months. Tax defaults and chaos would be rampant. There is no political will for it. Politicians will not vote to jeopardize their paycheck. Media will denounce it as a fringe idea.

Your approach would be quite effective, if only, it could be promoted and implemented.

I was referring to this in my comment