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As federal,state, and local governments go broke,and unemployment remains dangerously high, it is time once again to count the costs of illegal aliens. By R. Cort Kirkwood


Illegal Aliens: Economic Consequences (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/immigration/5151-illegal-aliens-economic-consequences)


R. Cort Kirkwood | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
10 November 2010


Maywood, California, a small city in Los Angeles County numbering about 45,000 residents, is broke. Such are the city’s dire straits that in June it fired all of its employees and turned police and fire protection over to the county. Officials, naturally, pinned the blame for the situation on decreasing property tax revenues and the national recession, and indeed, they may well provide a small reason the city went under.

But the real reason is this: illegal aliens. As the Los Angeles Times reported in its article on the subject, half the city’s population is illegal and has been for some time. Such is its population of illegals that Maywood proudly declared itself a “sanctuary” city a few years ago. Now, apparently, no one, least of all the city’s Hispanic leaders and activists, got the connection between the city’s worsening plight and the mushrooming number of illegals.

In Santa Ana, 27 miles down Interstate 5, the school district has decided that every one of its 55,000 students will receive free breakfast and lunch regardless of whether they qualify for the program. At $2 per meal, that’s $39.6 million annually to feed the school system’s mostly Hispanic children before officials buy their first pencil. One can well imagine without looking too deeply that many of these students also are either illegal aliens or the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens.

Extrapolating these two examples across the nation paints a frightening picture: Illegal aliens are not only weakening the country financially, but are also often enticed to come here because of governmental social-welfare programs that should not even exist much less be available to illegal residents. The cost to American taxpayers is billions of dollars. And the federal government, which has responsibility for the nation’s borders, literally does nothing about it. Its official policy is to deport only “criminal” aliens, which means the rest will stay and continue consuming resources via our social-welfare programs. One example: In September, Republicans narrowly defeated an insane plan to permit illegal-alien minors to stay in the country indefinitely if they meet a complex and unenforceable set of criteria. It is called the DREAM Act.

The Latest Reports

Finding good figures on what illegal aliens cost is difficult because public officials typically do not include everything the immigrants consume. In June, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) published a report on the cost of illegal immigration that does include everything. It demonstrates the staggering result of the federal government’s paralysis on the border issue. According to FAIR, illegal aliens cost American taxpayers $113 billion annually. Broken down, the direct cost to the federal government is about $29 billion, while the states pick up the remaining share of about $84 billion. Illegals cost each household in America, meaning the households of citizens who pay taxes, $1,117. The largest expense for illegals is educating their American-born children, some $52 billion. Not surprisingly, the states with the highest number of illegals also pay the most to feed, educate, house, doctor, and jail them.

California’s price tag for its 2.55 million illegals, FAIR reports, is $21.8 billion annually. As FAIR concludes, the cost of illegals accounts for all of the budget deficits California and New York now face in 2011: “With many state budgets in deficit, policymakers have an obligation to look for ways to reduce the fiscal burden of illegal migration. California, facing a budget deficit of $14.4 billion in 2010-2011, is hit with an estimated $21.8 billion in annual expenditures on illegal aliens. New York’s $6.8 billion deficit is smaller than its $9.5 billion in yearly illegal alien costs.” Conclusion for these two states? Get rid of the illegals, the deficits disappear.

Why did Arizonans pass their controversial law that permitted police to check the immigration status of those with whom they have a lawful contact? It wasn’t just because illegals murder ranchers and are conducting what amounts to open warfare on these beleaguered Southwestern Americans. They are breaking the state financially. According to FAIR, illegals cost Arizonans $2.57 billion annually.

To some, these estimates might seem high, but that is because FAIR calculates the cost by including every program for which illegals are eligible, and importantly, includes the cost of their U.S.-born children. Most calculations leave them out because those children are, they say, U.S. citizens. “We include these U.S. citizen children of illegal aliens because the fiscal outlays for them are a direct result of the illegal migration that led to their U.S. birth,” FAIR reports. “We do so as well in the assumption that if the parents leave voluntarily or involuntarily they will take these children with them. The birth of these children and their subsequent medical care represent a large share of the estimated Medicaid and Child Health Insurance Program expenditures associated with illegal aliens.”

As well, FAIR also includes, for instance, the cost that states create by giving aliens in-state college tuition or other forms of tuition assistance. About 60,000 illegals attend college in the 11 states that offer in-state tuition rates, at a cost of $244 million annually.

California: A Case Study

With the most illegal aliens, California is an excellent example of the distorted picture created when legislators and the media misreport the truth. Last year, the Los Angeles Times reported that illegals cost the state about $4 billion to $6 billion annually in three major areas: education, healthcare, and crime.

According to the Times, illegals in the public school system cost just $2.3 billion. But the paper likely didn’t count the U.S.-born children of illegals, also known as anchor babies. The real cost of illegals in California’s public school system, kindergarten through high school, FAIR reports, is $11.1 billion annually.

The Times claimed that 19,000 illegals in the state’s justice system cost taxpayers $834 million. Not so, according to FAIR. The real figure is about $3.2 billion.

The newspaper’s estimate for healthcare was even further off: “The expected state tab for healthcare in fiscal 2009-10 is $703 million for as many as 780,000 illegal immigrants.” Possibly, the paper is claiming that only 780,000 of California’s 2.55 million illegals partake of state healthcare programs and use state healthcare facilities. Even then, the figure would be way off. According to FAIR, medical care for illegals costs Californians nearly $3 billion annually.

Granted, the Times figures are older, but an article published this year would likely show the same major discrepancies.

Figures from L.A. County Supervisor Mike Antonovich sharpen FAIR’s point. According to Antonovich, “In July 2010, $52 million in welfare benefits ($22 million CalWORKs + $30 million in Food Stamps) were issued to parents who reside in the United States illegally and collect benefits for their native-born children in Los Angeles County — representing an increase of $3.7 million from July 2009. This amounts to approximately 23 percent of all CalWORKs and Food Stamp issuances in the County. In 2009, CalWORKs and Food Stamp issuances to illegals totaled nearly $570 million. Based on the monthly figures in 2010, the total cost for the year will exceed $600 million.”

According to Eric Ruark, the lead researcher on the FAIR study, the explanation for the discrepancy between what FAIR and the Times reported, and likely figures most other sources would report, is that public officials “don’t want to count the real costs.”


The Myth of Their Contributions

The FAIR report is an extensive tour through the ledgers of federal and state governments. The states combined spend about $50 billion annually educating illegal aliens or the children of illegals. The states spend $8.7 billion policing and jailing them. The states pay $1 billion annually for illegal-alien mothers to give birth. Those children are, of course, “citizens” who enter the public schools. Uncompensated emergency medical care the states provide to illegals costs the taxpayers $7.5 billion.

Reports from local news media explain the problem. In 2009, readers of the Miami Herald learned this:



Last year, undocumented immigrants visited Jackson [Hospital] 77,415 times, costing the system $38 million in unpaid care. So far this year, 54,858 visits have cost $33 million. That is less than 10 percent of the $500 million the system spends on charity care each year, but more than half of the $56 million that Jackson expects to lose this fiscal year.... To get some of that money, Jackson submitted 2,908 claims in 2008 for $23.4 million. It was reimbursed $543,621.31. [That is a 2.3 percent rate of reimbursement.]


In 2010, the Philadelphia Inquirer disclosed a classic case of “patient dumping,” FAIR reports:



Mrs. Kim is 4-foot-8, speaks no English, and has been in America, illegally, for a decade. She has arthritic knees and can no longer stand. She needs a nursing home. But none will take her. Because of her illegal status, she is ineligible for Medicaid, which pays the bill for two out of every three nursing-home residents.

Without Medicaid, and with no means of her own, she became Abington’s [hospital] problem.... On March 12, after 80 days, the charges — the sticker price that few pay — were $444,208.63. The true cost of her care, said Louis Incognito, Abington’s reimbursement director, was $1,200 a day — $96,000, and rising.


And in January, the Las Vegas Review-Journal divulged the cost of providing kidney care to just a handful of illegal aliens:



Six months after the Review-Journal revealed that 80 illegal immigrants with failing kidneys were running up about $2 million a month in bills for dialysis and other medical treatment at the only publicly supported hospital in Las Vegas, the situation for both patients and taxpayers only continues to worsen.... With four new illegal immigrants now having their dialysis done at UMC’s emergency room — and monthly visits jumping from 216 in August to 243 currently — the billed charges for the 84 illegal immigrants are now at about $2.4 million a month — or $28 million a year.


Medicaid for the U.S.-born children of illegals costs $1.8 billion. The total the states pay to provide medical care for illegal aliens? $10.8 billion.

Illegals contribute virtually nothing to offset this astronomical expense. Their $9.5 billion contribution in federal taxes brings the federal bill for illegals down to about $20 billion, and their paltry $4 billion to state coffers lowers that bill to $80 billion. In short, even counting tax revenues federal and state treasuries receive from illegals, the cost remains at least $100 billion annually. And this cost does not count the added expense of American workers thrown onto unemployment and welfare rolls because illegal aliens take their jobs by working for lower wages. Nor does it account for the diminution of wages among American workers because illegal aliens compete for jobs and, again, are paid less (see sidebar, page 20).

As Maywood Goes, 
So Goes the Country

Maywood, California, then, with an estimated illegal population of 22,500, about half the city’s population, is a microcosm of what happens when illegals become dominant in a city. This dominance did not occur through military conquest; in fact, illegal aliens were actually invited to come (Maywood, recall, is a “sanctuary” city) and then given access to public schools and other social-welfare programs. The illegals’ dominance in Maywood increased too as a result of the flight of many American citizens.

That, of course, has meant more than financial costs to the city. Because of the staggering number of illegals, police caught a disproportionate share of them in parking violations and police roadblocks. So the city, the Los Angeles Times reported in 2006, simply stopped certain police procedures:



First, the city eliminated the Police Department’s traffic division after complaints that officers unfairly targeted illegal immigrants. Then it made it much more difficult for police to tow cars whose owners didn’t have driver’s licenses, a practice that affected mostly undocumented people who could not obtain licenses.

In January, the City Council passed a resolution opposing a proposed federal law that would criminalize illegal immigration and make local police departments enforce [federal] immigration law. Now, some in the community are pushing to rename one of the city’s elementary schools after former Mexican President Benito Juarez and debating measures to improve the lives of illegal immigrants.


Oddly, “Latino” activists complained that police were profiling Hispanics, according to La Prensa of San Diego.



“We are outraged and demand an immediate investigation into growing reports that local law enforcement in Maywood, California appear to be preying on Latino drivers,” said Hector Flores, LULAC National President. “These motorists are being regularly stopped at checkpoints under the guise of traffic safety and losing their vehicles through tactics that smack of nothing less than shameless profiteering at the expense of the poor.”


As VDare.com observed, one wonders how much profiling the police could have done, inasmuch as nearly 44,000 of the city’s 45,000 residents are Hispanic.

No wonder the city is broke. Given California’s Grecian fiscal condition, the state is headed in the same direction, as are others groaning under the weight of illegal aliens who force the states to cough up $80 billion a year to care for them.


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/immigration/5151-illegal-aliens-economic-consequences

Zippyjuan
11-10-2010, 01:54 AM
OK - we have illegal aliens being given health care. We have US citizens who do not work also receiving free health care and education. We also have aliens who have jobs and work- many with false Social Security cards (unless they are being paid in cash under the table). They are paying taxes- income taxes, social security taxes, medicare taxes, sales taxes- and are not going to collect one peny of Social Security or Medicare (they are inelgible for federal programs) and are not likely to file any tax returns to collect any refund they might have been elgible had they been here legally. If they are renting a place to live, they are helping the person who owns the property pay their property taxes so they indirectly (like any renter) also pay property taxes. The benefits they do get are offered by the states- not the federal government.

I don't favor offering benfits to those not here legally but the vast majority of illegals are not here for the benefits anyways. They are here for the work. Get rid of the benefits and they will still come. Especially if they can make more in a week here than in a month or a year back home.

I do have to question some of the figures in the article. The California budget is about $110 billion. If the cost of illegal aliens is $21 billion, that would be about one in every five dollars. It claims that the cost of education of illegal aliens in California is $11.1 billion for kindergarten thorugh high school. In their recent budget, the state reported that the per-pupil cost of education was $8,826. http://www.cbp.org/pdfs/2010/1006_SFF_how_does_ca_compare.pdf If we round that off to $9,000, that would mean that there are 1.2 MILLION illegal alien children in California public schools or more than ten percent of the total of all illegal aliens in the whole country. The CA school population is about six million. One estimate of the number of illegal aliens by state put the California number at about 2.2 million http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_est_num_of_ill_imm-people-estimated-number-illegal-immigrants -so if the figures in the article are correct, more than half of them are in California public K- 12 schools. Oh, really?

What about the claimed prisoner costs? The state estimates that the average cost of an inmate in the state system is about $47,000 a year. http://www.lao.ca.gov/laoapp/laomenus/sections/crim_justice/6_cj_inmatecost.aspx?catid=3 The piece cites the LA Times as reporting 19,000 illegal inmates. That multiplied out comes to $893 million (pretty close to the Times reported costs of $834 million). How does this article come up with a cost of $3.2 billion? That is $168,241 an inmate! Sorry, but I can't trust much of what the article claims.

AuH20
08-03-2018, 07:33 AM
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AuH20
08-03-2018, 07:37 AM
A real catch 22, but this problem places an emphasis on keeping them out. Reagan was an idiot for pushing through the EMTALA.

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DamianTV
08-03-2018, 04:17 PM
The real cause of the problem is Govt, not the Illegals.

One of the problems with Govt is they do try to give people what they want. So if the population is mostly illegal, and they demand welfare, Govt gives it to them. And Govt gives the illegals what they want by taking away from everyone else. Some might assume the solution is more Govt. Simply not so. Getting rid of Anchor Baby Laws, Welfare, Education for illegals, Health Care, Food, etc frees up the legal population. How often have we heard "that should be illegal", and soon, it is. How often have we heard "Govt should pay for..." and soon, it is, but always with a catch.

Trouble is that there is still another group that benefits from Illegals and that is Employers who want cheap labor. Even if all the incentives to illegally immigrate were removed, there would still be two major incentives to two groups. Illegals who work for what we consider to be low wages will still accept those low wages because those wages are still higher than what you would probably get in Mexico. So, the wages are low by our standards, but high by their standards. The other group, as mentioned before, is the Employers who want cheap labor. We expect certain wages here to maintain our standard of living. But we are losing ground when we lose our jobs to people who would take a lower wage than we would because it is what they had before.

Again, real problem is Govt. Just because the US is doing well does not mean it can only do so if Mexico is a third world nation. Its Mexicos Govt that failed its citizens by not following Free Economics and embracing damaging policies which benefit the corrupt. Biggest problem is they have adopted our Dishonest Monetary Policies, which weakened their economy to begin with, and drove their citizens here. Mexicos economy collapsed years ago and has never fully recovered, which is why the money in Mexico is worth so much less. Im sure the US had some major involvement in that. Their currency lost its value due to corruption and THAT is the initial incentive that drove immigrants here. Their Govt failed and our Govt exploited those failures.

We dont have a "problem with Illegal Canadians coming to the US". If anything, its the other way around. If you ever lived on the northern border and met a Canadian, we would probably immediately think "normal person" and believe they had no intention of staying, but the reason they came here was temporary. For someone that lives on the south border of the US, we meet a person that speaks no english what so ever, I believe we think "illegal" who has intent of staying here and trying to take advantage of the incentives offered.

I think the real solution here is a truly Free Market on BOTH sides of the border.

Had Mexico had its own Free Market, it would have allowed their industry to grow, enabled a much higher quality of education, quality of life, and removed incentive to come here for Welfare benefits. Mexicans would end up looking at the Employers who offer jobs to illegals and given them the middle finger for not offering a wage that was competitive with the citizens. Mexicans that did come here would visit, spend their money here, vacation, be tourists, go back home, then might come back again to spend more of their money here. We have an issue because those that do come here have no money to spend. If we had a truly Free Market, our people would quit low paying jobs because they could open their own business without Govt interference and compete directly with ripoff employers. We would be able to afford to go directly to the doctor without insurance because Free Market would make health care facilities keep their costs competitive without becoming stupidly high by Govt interference with subsidies and mandatory insurance. Costs of living would be lower, and would be competitive with Mexicos, which would offer little Govt incentive for us to immigrate to Mexico for livable wages. The only incentives to immigrate to or from Canada, Mexico, or the US would be Personal Incentives, not the results of Govt policy.

The reason the US was strong was because we had a Free Market. Charge too much and no one buys your products or services. Charge too little and you go out of business without being able to get a bailout from the Govt. The reason the US is stronger than Mexico today is the exact opposite of Free Market, we have oppressive regulations that prohibit competition and drive costs skyhigh. Those skyhigh costs give mega corporations more leverage, drive down wages, drive up prices, and enables tremendous influence on overall markets, and incentivizes exploitation.

Again, the real solution is Free Market, in Mexico. Free Market creates incentives to build at home and enables competition based on quality and skill instead of Govt handouts. The only way we can really solve our Immigration problems is to have a Free Market in BOTH the US and Mexico. Govt incentives would not exist, nor would the extremely high costs of funding those incentives. There would be no need for a wall, nor to fund building and maintenance. Welfare would be a thing of the past because companies would not be able to get away with unlivable wages subsidized by Govt with Welfare. An average person could compete with costs offered at Walmart, and their neighbors. Costs come down and wages go up. So what enables a truly Free Market? An Honest Money System, on both sides of the border.

Swordsmyth
08-03-2018, 04:36 PM
The real cause of the problem is Govt, not the Illegals.

One of the problems with Govt is they do try to give people what they want. So if the population is mostly illegal, and they demand welfare, Govt gives it to them. And Govt gives the illegals what they want by taking away from everyone else. Some might assume the solution is more Govt. Simply not so. Getting rid of Anchor Baby Laws, Welfare, Education for illegals, Health Care, Food, etc frees up the legal population. How often have we heard "that should be illegal", and soon, it is. How often have we heard "Govt should pay for..." and soon, it is, but always with a catch.

Trouble is that there is still another group that benefits from Illegals and that is Employers who want cheap labor. Even if all the incentives to illegally immigrate were removed, there would still be two major incentives to two groups. Illegals who work for what we consider to be low wages will still accept those low wages because those wages are still higher than what you would probably get in Mexico. So, the wages are low by our standards, but high by their standards. The other group, as mentioned before, is the Employers who want cheap labor. We expect certain wages here to maintain our standard of living. But we are losing ground when we lose our jobs to people who would take a lower wage than we would because it is what they had before.

Again, real problem is Govt. Just because the US is doing well does not mean it can only do so if Mexico is a third world nation. Its Mexicos Govt that failed its citizens by not following Free Economics and embracing damaging policies which benefit the corrupt. Biggest problem is they have adopted our Dishonest Monetary Policies, which weakened their economy to begin with, and drove their citizens here. Mexicos economy collapsed years ago and has never fully recovered, which is why the money in Mexico is worth so much less. Im sure the US had some major involvement in that. Their currency lost its value due to corruption and THAT is the initial incentive that drove immigrants here. Their Govt failed and our Govt exploited those failures.

We dont have a "problem with Illegal Canadians coming to the US". If anything, its the other way around. If you ever lived on the northern border and met a Canadian, we would probably immediately think "normal person" and believe they had no intention of staying, but the reason they came here was temporary. For someone that lives on the south border of the US, we meet a person that speaks no english what so ever, I believe we think "illegal" who has intent of staying here and trying to take advantage of the incentives offered.

I think the real solution here is a truly Free Market on BOTH sides of the border.

Had Mexico had its own Free Market, it would have allowed their industry to grow, enabled a much higher quality of education, quality of life, and removed incentive to come here for Welfare benefits. Mexicans would end up looking at the Employers who offer jobs to illegals and given them the middle finger for not offering a wage that was competitive with the citizens. Mexicans that did come here would visit, spend their money here, vacation, be tourists, go back home, then might come back again to spend more of their money here. We have an issue because those that do come here have no money to spend. If we had a truly Free Market, our people would quit low paying jobs because they could open their own business without Govt interference and compete directly with ripoff employers. We would be able to afford to go directly to the doctor without insurance because Free Market would make health care facilities keep their costs competitive without becoming stupidly high by Govt interference with subsidies and mandatory insurance. Costs of living would be lower, and would be competitive with Mexicos, which would offer little Govt incentive for us to immigrate to Mexico for livable wages. The only incentives to immigrate to or from Canada, Mexico, or the US would be Personal Incentives, not the results of Govt policy.

The reason the US was strong was because we had a Free Market. Charge too much and no one buys your products or services. Charge too little and you go out of business without being able to get a bailout from the Govt. The reason the US is stronger than Mexico today is the exact opposite of Free Market, we have oppressive regulations that prohibit competition and drive costs skyhigh. Those skyhigh costs give mega corporations more leverage, drive down wages, drive up prices, and enables tremendous influence on overall markets, and incentivizes exploitation.

Again, the real solution is Free Market, in Mexico. Free Market creates incentives to build at home and enables competition based on quality and skill instead of Govt handouts. The only way we can really solve our Immigration problems is to have a Free Market in BOTH the US and Mexico. Govt incentives would not exist, nor would the extremely high costs of funding those incentives. There would be no need for a wall, nor to fund building and maintenance. Welfare would be a thing of the past because companies would not be able to get away with unlivable wages subsidized by Govt with Welfare. An average person could compete with costs offered at Walmart, and their neighbors. Costs come down and wages go up. So what enables a truly Free Market? An Honest Money System, on both sides of the border.

Since we don't control Mexico or the other origin countries we will have to control our borders until they decide to become libertarian, that means functionally forever.

Anti Federalist
08-03-2018, 05:27 PM
I wonder if FrankRep is still lurking?

DamianTV
08-03-2018, 05:30 PM
Since we don't control Mexico or the other origin countries we will have to control our borders until they decide to become libertarian, that means functionally forever.

Youre right. We dont have control, and I dont think we should either. The same way as I dont think they should be allowed to participate in our elections.

But elections are more than just voting for people, but laws also. Participating in an election also has certain limits. I think a good example of this is to say that although I may not be allowed to vote in your elections, we can still talk about it as normal people would. Hi, I am from Russia and I think that law is good / bad because <insert another perspective>, so I wont try to meddle in the voting process itself, but to just be forthcoming and express conclusions that may not have been considered. Being forthcoming about that would offer anyone listening to my expressed opinion to either choose to continue talking about it, or choose to disregard my input. I think that is reasonable.

Now, as far as having control of Mexico, I agree that we should not attempt to have control. That is just as much of a form of Tyranny as it would be to allow an entire population to be replaced by illegals, then granting the illegals a Right to Vote. The outcome is pretty obvious, especially when illegals outnumber the number of citizens. To find out who benefits is just to follow the money, as usual. Who benefits? The political party will most likely benefit as the Status Quo of that area will maintain their political power, at least temporarily, because the majority of voters will be inclined to vote for more for them and less for everyone else. Thus, Status Quo is maintained and the immigrants get more welfare. Basically, it enables immigrants to have control of us, but we have no control of them. I will still maintain we should not.

I think a better solution is not to attempt to control others, but to inspire them to change themselves by making the change ourselves. If we enabled a truly Free Market, that Free Market would hopefully inspire them to also embrace their own version of a truly Free Market. They make the change themselves based on the examples we set. We dont interfere, we inspire. We show the benefits of Freedom. We can even show the elected officials that support socialist policies that even they benefit more from enabling Free Market rather than suppressing it.

Until such time as we enable a Free Market here, we do need restrictions on immigration because we arent just importing people, but the very political practices which have ruined their own country to begin with. Thus, it is always Govt interference that causes the issue. Their own Govts which have failed to adopt Free Markets and other fundamental concepts want the people who would vote for more welfare in their own countries to go to another country so they dont have to put up with the problems caused by the selfish demands of their own citizens for destructive policies. IE, Mexican Govt says to a Mexican Socialist who wants Welfare to go move to the US so they stop causing problems at home. That is why we must embrace Free Market. It gives both our citizens and theirs a working example of an alternative system that inspires beneficial change for all that does not come at the expense of others.

Sorry, long winded, not a rant, but yeah, I agree with you.