Glenn Beck is freaking out today. Yes more than usual.

[paulitics]

Listening to this guy's show, he is pretty much saying that there will be another OKC bombing, and the tea party will be blamed for it. They will use the event "galvanize the country against you".

This coupled with an economic collapse, and WW3 once we attack Iran will lead to a perfect storm. Plays the Lindsey Graham clip.

He is suggesting that this was all planned, but then disguises this rhetoric by saying it is a perfect storm that we can't avoid, and our leaders can't save us from because they are too incompetent.

He blames it all on the progressives, with Soros as being the puppet master. Of course,.he doesn't ever mention the neocons who certainly played a role (I'd say 50% at least) in bringing us to this point. This should be of no surprise of course.

Gets into the debt ceiling controversy that is promted by the media, and that Rand Paul is being set up. Then says that Rand paul or his supporters want to collapse the system to wake people up. Basically, he is making it sound like we are too idealsitc, and radical and therefore a danger as well. Says this may be the trigger for the crisis.

Now talking about global government, and that this crisis will usher this in. Says the IMF will be in control of the world after 15 days of the crisis.

Wow.

[LibertyEagle]

Do you have a link where we can listen?

EDIT: Here's one: http://989bigtalker.com/listen_live/

[AuH20]

He must have a source inside the government.

[Jeremy]

Is he speaking out against war with Iran?

[LibertyEagle]

Gets into the debt ceiling controversy that is promted by the media, and that Rand Paul is being set up. Then says that Rand paul or his supporters want to collapse the system to wake people up. Basically, he is making it sound like we are too idealsitc, and radical and therefore a danger as well. Says this may be the trigger for the crisis.

I've seen this a few times on this board, in fact. I do however wonder how many of them are supporters of Rand Paul.

EDIT: I just heard him talk about it. Beck is trying to scare people about not raising the debt ceiling.

[pcosmar]

He must have a source inside the government.

Or a directive from it.
Seems much of his message is an attempt to provoke some (unstable) folks to react and give the media and the government a target.

They have been trying to provoke the militia to react for some time. That was the reason for the Hutaree arrests. And other attacks on "Militia leaders".
It was seen for what it was. A trap.
The government will likely try another OKC Bombing or something similar.
I have long expected that the government will act violently first. (and they have been)
:(

[AuH20]

I've seen this a few times on this board, in fact. I do however wonder how many of them are supporters of Rand Paul.

Actually, I am one of those people. Destroy the village in order to save it. I know I occasionally push political alternatives, but does anyone think we can roll back the many layers of tyranny, which have been carefully enacted over the last 100 years? It's not happening until there is a paradigm shift in the public consciousness.

[RileyE104]

I do remember a few months ago hearing Schiff talking about how the country HAS to default on its debt for things to finally change here. He added that if it's not now it will just be worse later.

[LibertyEagle]

Actually, I am one of those people. Destroy the village in order to save it. I know I occasionally push political alternatives, but does anyone think we can roll back the many layers of tyranny, which have been carefully enacted over the last 100 years? It's not happening until there is a paradigm shift in the public consciousness.

Understood. I just heard Beck cover it. It sounds to me that he is trying to scare people about not raising the debt ceiling.

[Ekrub]

No, he just said there would need to be an intellectual debate on if that would be the best thing to do. Sounds like he was saying it might be the best (or quickest) to do. He or his people have to read these boards though, I'm convinced. Where else would he read about Rand Paul supporters discussing Rand fillibustering the debt ceiling.

Edited: He also fears that the framework has been layed for global government, and that if American's aren't "woken up" then a default would lead to a economic collapse which would be taken advantage of by the globalists.

Starting to sound a lot like Alex Jones to me.

[LibertyEagle]

I'm talking about Beck. He's still talking about it right now on the radio. His concern is that the global governance structures have already been setup and if we aren't ready to steer the outcome and the system crashes very fast, it will be used by the global government pukes to fully usher in that system.

[AuH20]

I'm talking about Beck. He's still talking about it right now on the radio. His concern is that the global governance structures have already been setup and if we aren't ready to steer the outcome, if the system crashes very fast, it will be used by the global government pukes to fully usher in that system.

Well of course they are. But they've underestimated the resistance. I can tell you that a solid quarter of our population will not consent.

[Ekrub]

I'm talking about Beck. He's still talking about it right now on the radio. His concern is that the global governance structures have already been setup and if we aren't ready to steer the outcome and the system crashes very fast, it will be used by the global government pukes to fully usher in that system.

Yeah I edited to add that. ^^

[FrankRep]

Listening to this guy's show, he is pretty much saying that there will be another OKC bombing, and the tea party will be blamed for it.

Read This:


Democratic pollster Mark Penn: Obama Needs a Terrorist Attack to Reconnect With Voters (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dem-pollster-obama-needs-a-terrorist-attack-to-reconnect-with-voters/)


The Blaze
November 5, 2010



President Barack Obama seems to be disconnected from voters, observes Democratic pollster Mark Penn. So what’s the best way to solve this political problem? According to Penn, Obama needs another Oklahoma City bombing so he can connect with voters like President Bill Clinton did.

[erowe1]

Listening to this guy's show, he is pretty much saying that there will be another OKC bombing, and the tea party will be blamed for it. They will use the event "galvanize the country against you".


In the Medina interview, didn't Beck say that he couldn't support someone who wouldn't fire staffers for being truthers because it was so terrible that anyone could believe that the government was evil enough to do such a thing?

And now he says he believes the government is evil enough to do such a thing.

[aravoth]

All this fear mongering about the debt ceiling is pissing me off.

If Rand or anyone filibustered the debt ceiling, the only thing that would happen is Congress would have to find things to cut immediately.

Our foreign obligations would still be met, in fact that they would be the first things that would be met. The rest of it would be on the chopping block.

Global chaos is the last thing that would happen.

[paulitics]

No, he just said there would need to be an intellectual debate on if that would be the best thing to do. Sounds like he was saying it might be the best (or quickest) to do. He or his people have to read these boards though, I'm convinced. Where else would he read about Rand Paul supporters discussing Rand fillibustering the debt ceiling.

Edited: He also fears that the framework has been layed for global government, and that if American's aren't "woken up" then a default would lead to a economic collapse which would be taken advantage of by the globalists.

Starting to sound a lot like Alex Jones to me.

As far as fear mongering, he's Alex Jones on his worst day. The key difference is that Beck blames progressives, while Jones blames the globalists, such as the bilderbergs, trilaterals, etc that are neither left or right.

Beck does more harm to the message, by dividing people into camps. He needs to stop focusing on the left wing of the globalist tyranny if he is to be effective, but I don't think he has any intention of doing so.

As long as he covers for the neocons, he is just going to wake people up pissed off and confused, not enlightened about what is going on. It's a recipe for disaster.

[Ekrub]

No, we wouldn't default. The Federal Reserve would just fire up the printing presses.

[revolutionary8]

Beck trips me out, he is tough to read lately. Without hearing it, my frist reaction was anger towards him for trying to set us up for wanting to "shut down" government. Surely he understands that those of us who protest the raising of the debt ceiling do it because we DON'T want "government" to shut down in a worse way down the line? I am not sure he really gets it.

I think he wants to stall it. Perhaps he is telling himself if we can hold off the inevitable for a "little longer" then more people will be "awake" and more people will be "aware" when the time comes. It's a gamble at the very least.

The globalists are also trying to draw it out as lonnnnng as possible so they can finish their infrastructure, using our money all the while. It is a catch 22, the longer we wait, the bigger the consequences.

I am still unsure of just who's "side" he is really on, or if he is really on any side at all, maybe he is just confused.

I'll hold off judging this rant of his until I hear it.

[revolutionary8]

No, we wouldn't default. The Federal Reserve would just fire up the printing presses.

Exactly. Someone needs to bring this up on the Beck boards.

[LibertyEagle]

As far as fear mongering, he's Alex Jones on his worst day. The key difference is that Beck blames progressives, while Jones blames the globalists, such as the bilderbergs, trilaterals, etc that are neither left or right.

Beck does more harm to the message, by dividing people into camps. He needs to stop focusing on the left wing of the globalist tyranny if he is to be effective, but I don't think he has any intention of doing so.

As long as he covers for the neocons, he is just going to wake people up pissed off and confused, not enlightened about what is going on. It's a recipe for disaster.

Well, to be fair, he talks about the "progressives" in the Republican party. Like Lindsey Graham.

[erowe1]

No, we wouldn't default. The Federal Reserve would just fire up the printing presses.

Isn't default the better of those options?

[LibertyEagle]

Beck trips me out, he is tough to read lately. Without hearing it, my frist reaction was anger towards him for trying to set us up for wanting to "shut down" government. Surely he understands that those of us who protest the raising of the debt ceiling do it because we DON'T want "government" to shut down in a worse way down the line? I am not sure he really gets it.

I think he wants to stall it. Perhaps he is telling himself if we can hold off the inevitable for a "little longer" then more people will be "awake" and more people will be "aware" when the time comes. It's a gamble at the very least.

The globalists are also trying to draw it out as lonnnnng as possible so they can finish their infrastructure, using our money all the while. It is a catch 22, the longer we wait, the bigger the consequences.

I am still unsure of just who's "side" he is really on, or if he is really on any side at all, maybe he is just confused.

I'll hold off judging this rant of his until I hear it.

Yeah, I'm with you. I don't trust him though. I think it would be nuts to raise the debt ceiling. It's not like they are changing their colors and are now going to start slashing spending.

[Pericles]

Isn't default the better of those options?

With the debt limit, it is not so much about ability to pay, as ability to continue borrowing- requiring spending cuts to prevent borrowing.

[erowe1]

With the debt limit, it is not so much about ability to pay, as ability to continue borrowing- requiring spending cuts to prevent borrowing.

So then, from Beck's point of view, what's the problem? Demand the cuts. It has to happen some time.

[JoshLowry]

A filibuster can be overturned by 60 votes.

This point must be made every time someone fear mongers the use of a filibuster.

This means that it takes 41 US Senators to make a filibuster happen.

Make the 60 Senators who wish to raise the debt ceiling step up to the plate.

[erowe1]

A filibuster can be overturned by 60 votes.

This point must be made every time someone fear mongers the use of a filibuster.

That's a great point. This is actually a good opportunity for <40 senators to set themselves apart by standing against raising the debt ceiling, while knowing that they won't actually have to face any consequences of that since their fillibuster will fail anyway.

[pcosmar]

Isn't default the better of those options?

I am up for a complete implosion. let the economy collapse, institute Global currency under the IMF, and put the Armed Forces under UN control.

End the friggin' pretense of this being in any way a "free country".

Then folks can either fight or be slaves. No middle ground. No Pretenses.
Black and white, line in the sand, choices.

Freedom or Slavery.
:cool:

[revolutionary8]

Well, to be fair, he talks about the "progressives" in the Republican party. Like Lindsey Graham.

Maybe Beck has been getting better, but I have always viewed him as the Michael Moore of the right. Moore blamed "Bush" for 9/11 due to his stupidity. Yes, 9/11 happened because Bush is too dumb to know what is really going on. :rolleyes:

He acts as if he is a gatekeeper, and as others have mentioned, he is starting to sound A LOT like Alex Jones, but he blames it all on "the left". He bashes Ghramnesty, but who doesn't? Everybody thinks that dude is a nut unless he says something they agree with. Alex is becoming more and more influential, the MSM has really been going after him, which is always a sign they have moved beyond the ignore phase, and they are on to the laughing phase. Beck has to keep up and provide a worthy diversion that keep the audience's attention.

This is similar to what KO was doing back when he was bashing Bush and calling him a war criminal, bashing Pelosi for "taking impeachment of the table", etc etc etc., while you have the people like Raimondo and Greenwald on the left who are really talking about these things, in a serious manner, recognizing that it is both the left and the right...

I don't trust him. Until he starts calling out the globalists by name, he is useless. Right now he is the perfect divider. Compare that to Alex Jones who has on guests such as Dennis Kucinich, Alan Grayson, Justin Raimondo, Jesse Ventura, Marcy Kaptur, etc etc etc.

[Original_Intent]

The jury is out on Beck imho. I used to defend him, then I completed hated him, and now sometimes it seems like he is a work in progress and is doing his best, but based on limited understanding.

I think if nothing else, he has gotten a lot of people to wake up by getting them to read some good things - such as the Constitution! Also I think Overton Window, while fiction, may get people paying better attention.

I still have concerns that he is controlled opposition, and that he is untrustworthy. But I will say I have guarded optimism that he is being sincere and is fighting the good fight - just still has a lot to learn.

[Ekrub]

Isn't default the better of those options?

Yes, it is. I was just answering Avaroth


Our foreign obligations would still be met, in fact that they would be the first things that would be met. The rest of it would be on the chopping block.

Global chaos is the last thing that would happen.


I was just saying nothing would be on the chopping block, the Fed would just print the money to meet the obligations further devaluing our dollar. Default is a better option but won't happen. And as Josh Lowry said, 60 votes would break the fillibuster. Those 60 votes are already in the Senate.

[revolutionary8]

A filibuster can be overturned by 60 votes.

This point must be made every time someone fear mongers the use of a filibuster.

This means that it takes 41 US Senators to make a filibuster happen.

Make the 60 Senators who wish to raise the debt ceiling step up to the plate.

We need a daily "talking points" sticky, and this should be one. :D I think the first I heard about "the filibuster" was Lawrence O'Donnell, surely he didn't come up with it on his own, who started that whole thing?

A debt ceiling filibuster would be overturned in a second. The "shut down government" meme has entered the building, and ironically it might have been Boehner that got that phrase out there, at least to the right.

Regardless, if they didn't raise the debt ceiling they would just print it.

[AuH20]

As far as fear mongering, he's Alex Jones on his worst day. The key difference is that Beck blames progressives, while Jones blames the globalists, such as the bilderbergs, trilaterals, etc that are neither left or right.

Beck does more harm to the message, by dividing people into camps. He needs to stop focusing on the left wing of the globalist tyranny if he is to be effective, but I don't think he has any intention of doing so.

As long as he covers for the neocons, he is just going to wake people up pissed off and confused, not enlightened about what is going on. It's a recipe for disaster.

Progressives should be held responsible though. They created the Fed, the UN , the income tax & a host of other ills. Neocons are simply progressives of a different stripe.

[paulitics]

Well, to be fair, he talks about the "progressives" in the Republican party. Like Lindsey Graham.

Yeah, he'll expose Teddie Roosevelt types in the republican party, when talking about socialistic economic policies, but not foreign policy.


If you go onto Beck's site the blaze, they think that Graham is a conservative by wanting to go to war with Iran. Actually, they believe Graham is only bluffing and that he is only flexing his conservative muscles, because he is such a progressive in other areas. If someone like Rand Paul is not that hawkish on Iran, a large percentage of them think he is being progressive.


It is plain as day, what the average listener picks up when listening to Beck.

[dannno]

All this fear mongering about the debt ceiling is pissing me off.

If Rand or anyone filibustered the debt ceiling, the only thing that would happen is Congress would have to find things to cut immediately.

Our foreign obligations would still be met, in fact that they would be the first things that would be met. The rest of it would be on the chopping block.

Global chaos is the last thing that would happen.

Ya, this.

They just use that as a scare tactic, if we don't raise the debt ceiling there will be chaos.. but they never discuss the alternative of cutting which is PRECISELY the reason for NOT raising the debt ceiling!!

[Southron]

I expect this raising the debt ceiling to be a lot like the economic meltdown scare in 2008.

The media and politicians will scare the public into initially supporting raising the ceiling. Once they do, we can take names again just like the bailouts.

What seems politically expedient at the time could come back to bite them.

[JoshLowry]

We need a daily "talking points" sticky, and this should be one. :D I think the first I heard about "the filibuster" was Lawrence O'Donnell, surely he didn't come up with it on his own, who started that whole thing?

A debt ceiling filibuster would be overturned in a second. The "shut down government" meme has entered the building, and ironically it might have been Boehner that got that phrase out there, at least to the right.

Regardless, if they didn't raise the debt ceiling they would just print it.

There is a need for a site like that. We need a way that we can easily disseminate our talking points of the day/week.

Hopefully our front page can help to fill that role.

The media often fear mongers but leaves out very important information.

I was thinking of calling it Media Scraps but my own plate is already full. ;)