Whatever happened to the mosque?

[Kregisen]

The biggest issue in the U.S. a few months ago was the NYC mosque...did it ever get built?

Suddenly, it's not an issue anymore. Funny how everyone gets worked up over people just minding their own business and exercising their rights.

[libertythor]

The issue mysteriously disappeared a few weeks before Election Day. Were there any public funds involved in the development of the mosque site? If there were, I am opposed to the mosque. If not, any action against it should be done via financial persuasion without government interference.

BTW NYC is such a densely developed area that it is kind of hard not to have a little bit of everything close to everything.

[nobody's_hero]

Maybe the rent was too [damn] high.

[teacherone]

Another MSM manufactured event disappears from the headlines. Divide and conquer rinse and repeat.

What'll be next I wonder?

[Bruno]

Maybe the rent was too damn high.

fixed :D

oops - refixed

[stefank]

Maybe the rent was too damn high.
fixed

[oyarde]

Doubt they have the money to build it . I doubted it all along . I think it was a stunt .

[dannno]

Maybe the rent was too damn high.


LOL, that is daily show material right there...

[Heimdallr]

Tolja so.

[farrar]

Writing a research paper on it.

They bought the land for 5 million. The issue was, the new York city landmark committee has the power to declare the broken Burlington factory a landmark (and therefore not allowed to be destroyed and replaced.)

The landmark committee did not declare it a landmark.
Most new yorkers praised the community center (it isn't even a mosque... It does have 1 of the 13 floors dedicated to prayer... But the rest is a community center with a gym, culinary school, and even 911 memorial).

The over all project is estimated at 100 million. It is to be funded by charity mostly from the Muslim community. If that will happen I am unsure, but any donations are accepted. If a few more people, like the one who dropped the initial 5 million surface.... Then i would not count them out.

But anyways, my paper argues that ,"real" property rights (not the liberal version spewed out) dictate that it is not anyone's business whether that mosque be built. To stop it with anything but forceless conversation and voluntary exchange is wrong. The people who toiled, and worked to own the property, who donated to see that center built did so on their own will and without coercion. They have a right to do with their property as they wish. The projects head, who has received this support without coercion, who too has toiled to see this mosque come into fruition, also has a right to do so. To deny them the right to their own productions (their labour) is immoral. To assume that anyone else (the landmark commission) has a right to dictate anything else, is immoral. To suggest that society is anything but many separate individuals, and to suggest that they have some sort of collective right to dictate the use of another's property is also immoral, and illogical. Regardless of law, (the time and place clause vs the constitution), morally the only option is to leave the decision to the property owner and him alone. No one else. Whether it be a mosque, community center, "rasberry" to 9/11 victims, or until they hurt anyone or deny anyone else their property rights (life or liberty) it could even be a terrorist command center.

I have some good rothbard and john lock excerpts. Still in the drafting phase. It's 8 pages, I need to takin it down to 5.

[AGRP]

The biggest issue in the U.S. a few months ago was the NYC mosque...did it ever get built?

Suddenly, it's not an issue anymore. Funny how everyone gets worked up over people just minding their own business and exercising their rights.


I forgot all about it!


This further proves how the government/corporate media controls the agenda.

[Madly_Sane]

Ha... one of the biggest distractions in 2010 just suddenly disappears, wonder what happened that made it not needed anymore, the election, perhaps?

[oyarde]

Writing a research paper on it.

They bought the land for 5 million. The issue was, the new York city landmark committee has the power to declare the broken Burlington factory a landmark (and therefore not allowed to be destroyed and replaced.)

The landmark committee did not declare it a landmark.
Most new yorkers praised the community center (it isn't even a mosque... It does have 1 of the 13 floors dedicated to prayer... But the rest is a community center with a gym, culinary school, and even 911 memorial).

The over all project is estimated at 100 million. It is to be funded by charity mostly from the Muslim community. If that will happen I am unsure, but any donations are accepted. If a few more people, like the one who dropped the initial 5 million surface.... Then i would not count them out.

But anyways, my paper argues that ,"real" property rights (not the liberal version spewed out) dictate that it is not anyone's business whether that mosque be built. To stop it with anything but forceless conversation and voluntary exchange is wrong. The people who toiled, and worked to own the property, who donated to see that center built did so on their own will and without coercion. They have a right to do with their property as they wish. The projects head, who has received this support without coercion, who too has toiled to see this mosque come into fruition, also has a right to do so. To deny them the right to their own productions (their labour) is immoral. To assume that anyone else (the landmark commission) has a right to dictate anything else, is immoral. To suggest that society is anything but many separate individuals, and to suggest that they have some sort of collective right to dictate the use of another's property is also immoral, and illogical. Regardless of law, (the time and place clause vs the constitution), morally the only option is to leave the decision to the property owner and him alone. No one else. Whether it be a mosque, community center, "rasberry" to 9/11 victims, or until they hurt anyone or deny anyone else their property rights (life or liberty) it could even be a terrorist command center.

I have some good rothbard and john lock excerpts. Still in the drafting phase. It's 8 pages, I need to takin it down to 5.

I would be suprised to see 100 million . Tough to raise that .

[oyarde]

Initial 5 million spent on lot , 95 million to go , do you think all the free publicity they got from New Yorkers about where the lot is was part of planning to raise the rest ?

[libertythor]

Initial 5 million spent on lot , 95 million to go , do you think all the free publicity they got from New Yorkers about where the lot is was part of planning to raise the rest ?

Any Saudi Prince can step in and fill the gap.

[oyarde]

Any Saudi Prince can step in and fill the gap.

I could be wrong , but I do not think they would want to associate themselves with something that controversial . For good reason , they live in a country where non believers are not allowed in two cities .

[farrar]

Initial 5 million spent on lot , 95 million to go , do you think all the free publicity they got from New Yorkers about where the lot is was part of planning to raise the rest ?

No, I think the property owner was very surprised he met any opposition. He cooperates very much with the Muslim community and has been know to condem terrorism. An intellectual, who has given many speeches about tolerance and terrorism. He never dreamed people would twist all he stood for and turn it on him.

The 5 million was just for the land. 100 million for the building. Its very modern looking. There is a nice depiction of what it will look like on wikipedia. Look up park 51 or Cordoba house (the names of the building).

All the bitching started with a neocon by the name of Newt Gingrich. He completely misrepresented the mosque and rallied the necon troops. Within a week, Bill o'reily and other conservative pundits were citing him. The the liberals had a cow, and all their pundits came out to defend them based on "property rights". It was a giant pundit feeding frenzy based on fallacy.

The whole thing was a silly little necon started mess.

[libertythor]

The whole thing was a silly little necon started mess.

It was kind of fun watching the circus. At a coffee shop debate both liberals and conservatives hated my answer of "If there is government money involved, don't build it. If this is a private deal, let them.". The nanny state liberals were pissed at the first part and the neocons at the second part.

[oyarde]

No, I think the property owner was very surprised he met any opposition. He cooperates very much with the Muslim community and has been know to condem terrorism. An intellectual, who has given many speeches about tolerance and terrorism. He never dreamed people would twist all he stood for and turn it on him.

The 5 million was just for the land. 100 million for the building. Its very modern looking. There is a nice depiction of what it will look like on wikipedia. Look up park 51 or Cordoba house (the names of the building).

All the bitching started with a neocon by the name of Newt Gingrich. He completely misrepresented the mosque and rallied the necon troops. Within a week, Bill o'reily and other conservative pundits were citing him. The the liberals had a cow, and all their pundits came out to defend them based on "property rights". It was a giant pundit feeding frenzy based on fallacy.

The whole thing was a silly little necon started mess.

Meh , he did not need to rally Bill O . he is from New York . Most New Yorkers were against . In order to get them to understand it you would have to teach them property rights , you could do this with a New Yorker by asking him if he owned it should he be able to build what he would like ? They would say , yes .

[libertythor]

Meh , he did not need to rally Bill O . he is from New York . Most New Yorkers were against . In order to get them to understand it you would have to teach them property rights , you could do this with a New Yorker by asking him if he owned it should he be able to build what he would like ? They would say , yes .

This year only Staten Island and one district on Long Island went GOP for Congress. Only 3 other congressional districts, all on Long Island, came even somewhat close to electing some sort of conservative. Meanwhile, in NYC proper almost all congressional districts went to socialists by 40+% margins! Some serious canvassing and voter education is needed for that city!

[oyarde]

This year only Staten Island and one district on Long Island went GOP for Congress. Only 3 other congressional districts, all on Long Island, came even somewhat close to electing some sort of conservative. Meanwhile, in NYC proper almost all congressional districts went to socialists by 40+% margins! Some serious canvassing and voter education is needed for that city!

Yeah , somebody has to show them that socialism costs too much .

[libertybrewcity]

Fox News stopped reporting on it...

[oyarde]

Fox News stopped reporting on it...

I noticed that too , but that could change if they had the money .

[libertythor]

This Obama trip to India is a riper target for the pundits.

[oyarde]

This Obama trip to India is a riper target for the pundits.

Probably so .

[Kregisen]

It's crazy how glued americans get to their TVs that the media has that kind of power. I mean, obviously the media controls who becomes president, but it can also control everyday feelings and make people create issues out of non-issue events such as this.