Which do you have more faith in to limit the federal government?

[dude58677]

State your reason below after voting.

[teacherone]

nulli
fy it..

[South Park Fan]

I'm torn between Options 1 and 3.

[FrankRep]

For the Win!

Nullification: How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1596981490?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1596981490)
- Thomas E. Woods Jr

http://www.thomasewoods.com/images/cover_null_lg.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1596981490?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1596981490)

[PeacePlan]

I don't think any of them will fix this so I did not vote. After the collapse of this paper house we built, change may have a chance IMO

[nobody's_hero]

Tough choice between 1 and 3.

I ultimately chose #1 because I think in order for there to be a formidable legal defense, a person stands a better chance if he/she is protected by an act of state legislature.

Example:

I refuse to accept Obamacare, and federal agents come and search through my records, arrest me, and send me to FEMA camp.

OR: The state of Georgia nullifies Obamacare through an act of law, which says that federal agents may not come and search through my records, arrest me, and send me to FEMA camp.

(pit one government against another, in essence.)

[RPgrassrootsactivist]

The results of this poll as of right now once again raise the question: why does the liberty movement spend so much effort and so many resources on congressional races instead of state legislative races (electing pro-nullification candidates)? http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=260169

[Anti Federalist]

Nullification, with conditions.

Those conditions being, secession and the means to back that up.

Nullification will go nowhere, it's already being shot down in the courts, unless a state or some states are willing to follow it to it's logical end.



Otherwise, this is how nullification will go down, every time:

State: We nullify the following.

Fedgov: No, you can't do that.

State: Yes, we can.

Fedgov: No, you can't! (rattles tanks, troops and guns.)

State: (Meekly) Yes sir.

[osan]

State your reason below after voting.

You left out the most important one: lots of guns and the unvarnished willingness to use them.

[StrictBaptist]

You left out the most important one: lots of guns and the unvarnished willingness to use them.

Amen to that!!!

[Stary Hickory]

Nullification states rights and secession. If we want real change this is really the only option.

[tremendoustie]

First and third options.

[WilliamShrugged]

You left out the most important one: lots of guns and the unvarnished willingness to use them.


I agree...just bought a AK-47:cool:

[heavenlyboy34]

poll left out secession. :(

[dude58677]

poll left out secession. :(

That goes along with the nullification option.

[lynnf]

Nullification


2 - not enough candidates to get the job done, yet. will make a splash but that's all.

3 - not enough boots on the ground to get the job done, yet. not even making much of a splash at this time

there are only a few states with the moxy to do nullification but that may be all it takes to show the federal emperor he has no clothes.

[Wyurm]

nullification: It has the same power as #3 only with far more force at this time.

#2 is important but not likely to get the job done without state nullification.

[amy31416]

Civil disobedience.

I think the states are too corrupt for nullification...but maybe I don't know enough about it. That'd be my second choice from what I know though.

Third option of freedom candidates--also good, but do we have enough time and numbers? Dunno.

[dude58677]

Civil disobedience.

I think the states are too corrupt for nullification...but maybe I don't know enough about it. That'd be my second choice from what I know though.

Third option of freedom candidates--also good, but do we have enough time and numbers? Dunno.

Nullification has been going on:

http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com

There are now of course 680 Republicans in State legislatures. The most since 1928.

[tremendoustie]

Civil disobedience.

I think the states are too corrupt for nullification...but maybe I don't know enough about it. That'd be my second choice from what I know though.

Third option of freedom candidates--also good, but do we have enough time and numbers? Dunno.

CD can be extremely powerful. I do think effective nullification is possible in NH, at least, and maybe on certain issues elsewhere.

Members of the state house, at least in NH, actually aren't that corrupt. They're mostly just average people.

[amy31416]

Nullification has been going on:

http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com

There are now of course 680 Republicans in State legislatures. The most since 1928.

Thanks, I'll read up more. Though I don't put much faith in Republicans, just because they're Republicans.


CD can be extremely powerful. I do think effective nullification is possible in NH, at least, and maybe on certain issues elsewhere.

Members of the state house, at least in NH, actually aren't that corrupt. They're mostly just average people.

One state out of many...I hope they see some success.

[dude58677]

Thanks, I'll read up more. Though I don't put much faith in Republicans, just because they're Republicans.



One state out of many...I hope they see some success.

Yea, but State Legislature Republicans are not career politicians and they have every incentive to limit federal government because they are not part of it.

[pcosmar]

Other

not a poll option.

[cooker263]

I give a lot of respect to Irwin Schiff but things would have to be pretty bad for me to do something like that. My life isn't worth sitting in jail to me - I'd rather pay off the jerks and try to live my life, move to a state that tries to nullify, or leave the country. If things get bad enough, however, who knows what would happen. It's possible the Fed Gov't would just become powerless and things would eventually resolve - however I'm pretty skeptical about that.

[Travlyr]

Other

not a poll option.

Nope, no "other." Fiat money is the reason for big government, but starving government is not a choice. :(

[Pericles]

Nullification, backed by :

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt317/Pericles-photo/M16evolve.jpg

[Esor]

Nullification, backed by :

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt317/Pericles-photo/M16evolve.jpg


Take back states' rights!!!!

[osan]

Nullification has been going on:

http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com (http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com)

There are now of course 680 Republicans in State legislatures. The most since 1928.

But how many of them are thinly veiled RINOs or even neocons?

Bear in mind that neocons, and I mean the ones that count (as in occupy high office), are unapologetic Trotskyite communists. Think about that for a minute, we had a fucking communist in the oval office for 8 years, and now the current douche bag and his cadre.

Hello?!

[Theocrat]

It seems Options 1 and 2 would work best in shrinking government because by having liberty candidates in federal offices, they could relegate unconstitutional legislation back to the states to decide and have them nullify it accordingly, thus, keeping certain issues out of the federal government's jurisdiction.

[Vessol]

In the long term? Education.

[ClayTrainor]

Take back states' individual rights!!!!

That's better. :p

I'm torn between options 1 and 3, like many others here.

[ClayTrainor]

In the long term? Education.

This!

It's the only thing that truly matters in the long term.

[Vessol]

The key point a lot of people miss is that cannot bring about our views with the point of the gun, then we're just as bad as those we claim to fight against.

Teach people why individualism is morally superior to collectivism, though logic and reasoning; not through the barrel of a gun.

[Pericles]

The key point a lot of people miss is that cannot bring about our views with the point of the gun, then we're just as bad as those we claim to fight against.

Teach people why individualism is morally superior to collectivism, though logic and reasoning; not through the barrel of a gun.

Ever been on the wrong end of the main gun barrel of a Soviet T-72? Education only works on those that are teachable. Fundamental rights are not subject to majority vote or administrative diktat.

[Vessol]

How do you then purpose doing with those whom are "unteachable"?

[Pericles]

How do you then purpose doing with those whom are "unteachable"?

California, Massachusetts, and New York will naturally attract that crowd, and the results should be interesting as all 3 locations are too large to be insane asylums, and with the possible exception of California, too small to be countries.

[pcosmar]

How do you then purpose doing with those whom are "unteachable"?

once upon a time,,
I heard about a tribe that sent their children out into the wilderness, and only those that survived and came back were accepted.

Things will get nasty for a while when the government collapses.
We'll see who survives it.
;)