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FrankRep
11-06-2010, 02:26 PM
http://www.sourcewatch.org/images/3/37/BobConley.jpg
Bob Conley for Senate (http://www.bobconleyforsenate.com/), Democrat


The New Democrat (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/2425-the-new-democrat)


Jim Capo | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
02 September 2008


According to Bob Conley, the Democrat nominee for the U.S. Senate in South Carolina, “The New Democrat is the Old Democrat.” And that Democrat is pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, and fiscally conservative.

Bob Conley actively supported Pat Buchanan's presidential bid on the Reform Party ticket in 2000. More recently, he supported Republican Congressman Ron Paul's presidential bid. He is now running for the U.S. Senate in South Carolina- as a Democrat.

Though he is still largely ignored by the establishment media, Bob Conley has already won the Democratic primary and his name will appear on the ballot in November as the Democratic nominee. His primary victory should be added to those of John McCain's and Barack Obama's on the list of improbable but notable outcomes thus far in 2008. On a shoestring budget, and with only a few months under his belt in his new party, Bob Conley won his primary race against Michael Cone, a Charleston lawyer, by 1,049 votes out of 147,287 cast.

The commercial pilot, professional engineer, and flight instructor is now up against Lindsey Graham, the Republican incumbent, who in the current Congress (to date) has scored a mediocre 56 percent in The New American's "Freedom Index," a congressional scorecard that rates all members of the House and Senate based on their adherence to the Constitution. Conley often refers to Senator Graham as "McCain's Mini Me" and "Grahamnesty" (a moniker coined by Rush Limbaugh). Graham was one of the key Republican senators who tried (unsuccessfully) to push through the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform (read: amnesty) bill last year.

If a Democrat running to the right of the Republican seems a bit odd, it should be kept in mind that the Republican Party has been moving to the left. In fact, many Republicans are "neoconservatives" who promote a corporate-socialist-internationalist agenda under the banner of Republican conservatism. Neoconservatism has become so prevalent within the Republican Party that some conservatives have left the party in disgust. For example, former GOP Congressman Bob Barr migrated to the Libertarian Party and is now the Libertarians' presidential nominee. Pastor Chuck Baldwin is running for president under the Constitution Party banner. And Bob Conley, the engineer-pilot-pragmatist, with a signature flattop haircut, thinks he has a better idea: run and actually win as a Democrat. Since his plan has worked so far, we caught up with "FlatTop Bob" to flat out ask him, "What's up?"



The New American: With your conservative views, why are you running as a Democrat and how were you able to win the Democratic primary for the U.S. Senate in South Carolina?

Bob Conley: I had a simple opening message for voters, "I'm the Democrat your grandfather voted for." The "Blue Dog" is the wave of the future. The New Democrat is the Old Democrat. You can campaign and win as a Democrat on a pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, traditional values, fiscally conservative platform. The 2006 elections proved this. Jeffersonian ideals can still win in the party that Jefferson founded. Outside of a few elitist, urbanite white folks, the message of Ted Kennedy doesn't play in South Carolina - even among rank-and-file Democrats.

TNA: You have described yourself as a "Jeffersonian Democrat." How do you define that term?

Conley: A Jeffersonian Democrat believes in small government; he believes that the government that governs least governs best. Like Thomas Jefferson, I believe that government power must be limited and that those entrusted with exercising that power must be held in check. As Jefferson put it, we must not put confidence in man, but "bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."

TNA: You have also called yourself a "Larry McDonald Democrat." What's a Larry McDonald Democrat?
Conley: A champion of the Constitution. Larry McDonald, a member of Congress from Georgia, was a modern Jeffersonian Democrat. He served in the U.S. House from 1975 until 1983, when he disappeared on Korean Airline Flight 007. Dr. McDonald was a traditional Southern Democrat, and was the most conservative member of that body. In fact, he was chairman of the John Birch Society.

TNA: You mentioned earlier that a Democrat who's pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, pro-traditional values, and fiscally conservative can win. What are a couple of the other issues you are campaigning on?
Conley: The U.S. has suicidal immigration problems that must be fixed; amnesty is not a solution, and will only exacerbate the problem; the importation of foreign nationals to take Americans' jobs and drive down wages must stop. I'm running against the occupation of (not war in) Iraq. We need to end the occupation now.

TNA: How fast is "now"?

Conley: As rapidly as is consistent with the safety of the troops. Complete redeployment may take three, six, or nine months, but must begin now. I would be surprised if the process takes more than a year.

I also support our veterans. Compare our treatment of our honorable veterans to how we treat dishonorable bankers on Wall Street with subsidies and bailouts. Corporate welfare has to end. I'm a reemergence of the traditional Democrat: think William Jennings Bryan.

TNA: What role do you see the Federal Reserve Board playing in our growing economic debacle?

Conley: The Fed is a banking cartel that should be abolished. It is a major part of the problem. It will never be part of the solution. I support constitutional money - including Lincoln's Greenbacks. We have to free ourselves from the Fed's debt-based money. As noted Austrian economist Murray Rothbard said in response to what should happen to the Fed, "It should just go away!"

TNA: You also support the FairTax. Why is that?

Conley: Three points: First, it will do away with the IRS and move towards repeal of the 16th [income tax] Amendment. Second, the special breaks for the corporate lobbyists will go away. And third, South Carolina has lost so many textile jobs to Communist China, it will help level the playing field on international trade. That is, it will allow our domestic manufacturers to compete under the so-called "free trade" agreements. It will counter the tax penalties Duncan Hunter talked about in his presidential campaign. Hunter used a football analogy to describe the 17-percent subsidy Communist China gives their exporters while at the same time penalizing our producers 17 percent. Team U.S.A. is down 34-0 on the scoreboard at the start of the game - and this doesn't even take into account the Chi-Coms' devaluation of their own currency.

TNA: How do you reconcile your Jeffersonian principles with the fact that the FairTax is supposed to be revenue neutral - that is, the federal government would collect as much money under the FairTax as it does now?

Conley: We did not get to where we are today in one step. The FairTax eliminates, among other things, the income tax and payroll taxes. This is a step in the right direction. Once that is accomplished, the next step to reduce the size of the federal government is by cutting spending-then paying off the national debt, then reducing the tax rate.

TNA: Getting back to your upset primary victory, how were you able to pull it off without mega bucks for advertising?

Conley: Our victory was just a lot of hard work along with lots of dedicated volunteers. Everywhere we went we handed out a lot of business-card-sized pass-along cards to build name recognition. We went where the votes were, and where I could connect with enough voters to win. Our goal was half plus one; we received half plus a little more than five hundred! I do believe God helps those who make the effort.

TNA: What is your strategy for beating Lindsey Graham on November 4?

Conley: We need more name recognition, and that will take at least a little bit of money, by no means parity with Graham, but between 10 and 20 percent. Remember, Tom Coburn was outspent 11:1 in his 2004 primary race for U.S. Senate in Oklahoma, but through a grass-roots effort he won the primary and went on to win the Senate seat in November. And through our own grass-roots effort here in South Carolina we will win this Senate seat. Certainly, we think there will be an increased turnout for Obama in South Carolina. Graham has been declared the worst Republican senator, and is widely despised; we need to take 10 percent of his base, and believe we can take at least 25 percent.

TNA: Do you see a Ron Paul-type candidate on the horizon in the Democratic Party?

Conley: I am that candidate.


Interview of Bob Conley by Jim Capo


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/2425-the-new-democrat

wormyguy
11-06-2010, 02:37 PM
He only lost by a relatively small margin IIRC after only raising something like $10000. We could have gotten an excellent liberty senator if we had paid serious attention to that race.

amy31416
11-06-2010, 02:41 PM
He only lost by a relatively small margin IIRC after only raising something like $10000. We could have gotten an excellent liberty senator if we had paid serious attention to that race.

Yep. I regret not doing more.

FrankRep
11-06-2010, 02:43 PM
Democrat Bob Conley offers conservatives a real choice in November (http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/democrat-bob-conley-offers-conservatives-a-real-choice-in-november/Content?oid=1114954)
Lindsey Graham vs. Conservatism

by Jack Hunter
June 18, 2008

Brett85
11-06-2010, 03:08 PM
Why in the world did he run as a Democrat rather than challenging Graham in the Republican primary? If he had been elected as a Democrat he would've had to vote for Harry Reid as majority leader.

wormyguy
11-06-2010, 03:12 PM
Why in the world did he run as a Democrat rather than challenging Graham in the Republican primary? If he had been elected as a Democrat he would've had to vote for Harry Reid as majority leader.
No he wouldn't. Is Mitch McConnell so much better, anyway?

Stary Hickory
11-06-2010, 03:24 PM
It certainly sounds good, I know MacDonald he was a good one, so if this guy is legit I could easily see supporting him.

Stary Hickory
11-06-2010, 03:25 PM
Why in the world did he run as a Democrat rather than challenging Graham in the Republican primary? If he had been elected as a Democrat he would've had to vote for Harry Reid as majority leader.

Kinda what I was wondering, why not primary Grahm. I'd feel much better about him. But if he says he is the real deal we will see. If this is some trick then I will be pissed. So this means he will vote to repeal Obamacare. If he commits to that I am on board.

FrankRep
11-06-2010, 03:27 PM
Why in the world did he run as a Democrat rather than challenging Graham in the Republican primary? If he had been elected as a Democrat he would've had to vote for Harry Reid as majority leader.



Conley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Conley#Criticism) was a Republican but left the party due to frustration over immigration, trade, and the Iraq War.


Bob Conley did pretty well against a Republican Incumbent.

Lindsey Graham (R) - 57.6% | Bob Conley (D) - 42.40% (http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/states/south-carolina.html)

Ireland4Liberty
11-06-2010, 03:28 PM
Imagine how much an effect Rons run in 2012 would have on ordinary people just like this guy? People are crying out for an honest principled politician. Liberty is a powerful yet simple message and it resonates passionately with a lot of people.

Here is to another influential Ron Paul 2012 run!

tpreitzel
11-06-2010, 04:10 PM
Hopefully, Bob will succeed in 2012

Brett85
11-06-2010, 04:33 PM
No he wouldn't. Is Mitch McConnell so much better, anyway?

Anybody is better. But it's just hard to believe how anybody who believes in limited government could run as a Democrat. He'd be villified by the other Dems in the Senate.

Brett85
11-06-2010, 04:33 PM
Hopefully, Bob will succeed in 2012

What is he running for in 2012?

FrankRep
11-06-2010, 04:37 PM
What is he running for in 2012?
There's been no talk of it.

wormyguy
11-06-2010, 05:22 PM
Anybody is better. But it's just hard to believe how anybody who believes in limited government could run as a Democrat. He'd be villified by the other Dems in the Senate.
It's just hard to believe how anybody who believes in limited government could run as a Republican. He'd be villified by the other GOPhers in the Senate.

FrankRep
11-06-2010, 05:27 PM
It's just hard to believe how anybody who believes in limited government could run as a Republican. He'd be villified by the other GOPhers in the Senate.

Political Parties mean nothing. They're just a vehicle to get elected.


http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories/History/larrymcdonald.001.jpg (http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/world/270-kal-flight-007-remembered)
Ron Paul: "[Larry McDonald] was the most principled man in Congress."
- The Philadelphia Inquirer


Ron Paul on Congressman Larry McDonald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald), the President of the John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/).



Ron Paul went to Congressman Larry McDonald, a Democrat, for advice on running for Congress. McDonald said, "Run in the party you think you can WIN because political parties are irrelevant." This made Ron Paul become a Republican.


Ron Paul explains:
YouTube - Ron Paul on Larry McDonald (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQQ--ju7Vxk)

djdellisanti4
11-06-2010, 05:32 PM
I hope he runs again so we can support him.
Having both parties influenced by libertarianism will begin to frame the debates in our favor.

FrankRep
11-06-2010, 05:35 PM
I hope he runs again so we can support him.
Having both parties influenced by libertarianism will begin to frame the debates in our favor.

Bob Conley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Conley)'s candidacy was endorsed by Constitution Party presidential nominee Chuck Baldwin!

Got the Constitutionalists on board.

Akus
11-06-2010, 05:40 PM
Ron Paul has many Libertarian ideas, but because of his certain stands, I KNOW he is a Republican, not a Libertarian.

Can some one explain to me how is this Democratic candidate NOT a Republican? What are the issues that he and GOP do not see eye to eye?

FrankRep
11-06-2010, 05:42 PM
Can some one explain to me how is this Democratic candidate NOT a Republican? What are the issues that he and GOP do not see eye to eye?

Larry McDonald (Democrat): "Run in the party you think you can WIN because political parties are irrelevant.

Brett85
11-06-2010, 06:05 PM
Ron Paul has many Libertarian ideas, but because of his certain stands, I KNOW he is a Republican, not a Libertarian.

Can some one explain to me how is this Democratic candidate NOT a Republican? What are the issues that he and GOP do not see eye to eye?

That's what I said, but according to some there's no difference at all between the Democrats and Republicans.

Matthew Holder
11-06-2010, 06:21 PM
If parties are irrelevant, I wonder how someone like John Dennis would have done in San Francisco running as a Democrat primary challenger to Pelosi? His message "should" in theory resonate with the people of San Francisco, but they just can't seem to get past the (R).

Would it be dishonest for liberty candidates to join whatever party their district generally votes for to get into office? Or should they only stick to (R)?

FrankRep
11-06-2010, 06:31 PM
Would it be dishonest for liberty candidates to join whatever party their district generally votes for to get into office? Or should they only stick to (R)?

Technically, both political parties should obey the Constitution. The trick is to represent your constituents and understand what the Democrats want, but don't cross the Constitutional boundaries.

Akus
11-06-2010, 06:35 PM
Larry McDonald (Democrat): "Run in the party you think you can WIN because political parties are irrelevant.

I can't agree. We need all small govt, mind your own business, need some gold to back up that $$ to unite in one body. We otherwise are too spread thin. It has to be US and THEM. US Libertarians THEM big two. Or US real conservatives THEM rinos.

It has to be US/THEM. And if WE won't make it that way, THEY will.

FrankRep
11-06-2010, 06:38 PM
It has to be US and THEM. US Libertarians THEM big two. Or US real conservatives THEM rinos.

Ron Paul disagrees with you.
Libertarian 1% can't win elections.

specsaregood
11-06-2010, 06:42 PM
Hopefully, Bob will succeed in 2012

You mean 2014? Graham doesn't have to defend until then.

amy31416
11-06-2010, 06:48 PM
Wow. Lots of folks who wouldn't vote for a great candidate just because he calls himself a Democrat.

Brett85
11-06-2010, 06:52 PM
Wow. Lots of folks who wouldn't vote for a great candidate just because he calls himself a Democrat.

I would've voted for him. I'm just saying that it probably would've been smarter for him to run in the GOP primary against Graham in a Republican state like South Carolina.

FrankRep
11-06-2010, 06:59 PM
I would've voted for him. I'm just saying that it probably would've been smarter for him to run in the GOP primary against Graham in a Republican state like South Carolina.

Look at the results.

Lindsey Graham (R) - 57.6%
Bob Conley (D) - 42.40%

Not too bad going against a Republican establishment candidate.

tpreitzel
11-06-2010, 07:00 PM
You mean 2014? Graham doesn't have to defend until then.

Yes, if he runs against Graham. I simply want someone with his views in a position of power ASAP.

Brett85
11-06-2010, 07:01 PM
Look at the results.

Lindsey Graham (R) - 57.6%
Bob Conley (D) - 42.40%

Not too bad going against a Republican establishment candidate.

Yes, but 2008 was a really good year for Democrats and a really bad year for Republicans. He would have even less of a chance of winning as a Democrat in 2014 if he were to run again.

specsaregood
11-06-2010, 07:01 PM
Not too bad going against a Republican establishment candidate.

The democrat establishment too. IIRC they practically endorsed Graham over their own candidate.

Brett85
11-06-2010, 07:02 PM
Yes, if he runs against Graham.

Otherwise he would have to run for the seat Demint is vacating in 2016.

FrankRep
11-06-2010, 07:02 PM
Yes, but 2008 was a really good year for Democrats and a really bad year for Republicans. He would have even less of a chance of winning as a Democrat in 2014 if he were to run again.
It depends if the Republicans live up to their promises or not.

tpreitzel
11-06-2010, 07:09 PM
Otherwise he would have to run for the seat Demint is vacating in 2016.

Assuming he runs for the US Senate, yes. Personally, I remember Larry McDonald and the fiasco surrounding KAL 007. If Bob even remotely fits the political profile of McDonald, I want him into political office ASAP. The US Senate would be nice, but not necessary at this point.

As a movement, we need to push candidates like the former Larry McDonald into running for office as Democrats so the people have potentially TWO viable candidates from which to choose. Instead of selecting from the lesser of two evils, we select from the greater of two good candidates.