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JeremyDahl
11-06-2010, 11:39 AM
‘Damn right’ I personally ordered waterboarding: Bush

By John Byrne- http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/damn-right-personally-ordered-waterboarding-bush/
Thursday, November 4th, 2010 -- 10:51 am

President George W. Bush admits for the first time in his new memoir that he personally approved the use of waterboarding, a technique in which an interrogator simulates drowning on a suspect. The method, which most describe as torture, has since been banned by the Justice Department.

In his book, "Decision Points," Bush asserts that he was asked by the Central Intelligence Agency whether he would support the agency's waterboarding of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the alleged 9/11 mastermind.

"Damn right," Bush says that he said.

The Washington Post's R. Jeffrey Smith avers that a source close to Bush says he would have done the same thing again "to save lives," though there's been no proof produced that the torture technique has.

"Bush previously had acknowledged endorsing what he described as the CIA's "enhanced" interrogation techniques - a term meant to encompass irregular, coercive methods - after Justice Department officials and other top aides assured him they were legal," Smith notes.



In February, Vice president Dick Cheney said that he personally "was a big supporter of waterboarding."

Bush's admission could have international consequences for human rights.

"President Obama and Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. have both said waterboarding is an act of torture proscribed by international law, a viewpoint supported by a handful of Republican lawmakers on Capitol Hill and opposed by other Republicans," Smith notes. "But the Obama administration has not sought to punish former Bush administration officials for approving it.

"The 26-year-old United Nations Convention Against Torture requires that all parties to it seek to enforce its provisions, even for acts committed elsewhere," he adds. "That provision, known as universal jurisdiction, has been cited in the past by prosecutors in Spain and Belgium to justify investigations of acts by foreign officials. But no such trials have occurred in foreign courts."

Bush's new book is to be released next Tuesday.

Patrick Henry
11-06-2010, 11:40 AM
‘Damn right’ I personally ordered waterboarding: Bush

By John Byrne- http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/damn-right-personally-ordered-waterboarding-bush/
Thursday, November 4th, 2010 -- 10:51 am

President George W. Bush admits for the first time in his new memoir that he personally approved the use of waterboarding, a technique in which an interrogator simulates drowning on a suspect. The method, which most describe as torture, has since been banned by the Justice Department.

In his book, "Decision Points," Bush asserts that he was asked by the Central Intelligence Agency whether he would support the agency's waterboarding of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the alleged 9/11 mastermind.

"Damn right," Bush says that he said.

The Washington Post's R. Jeffrey Smith avers that a source close to Bush says he would have done the same thing again "to save lives," though there's been no proof produced that the torture technique has.

"Bush previously had acknowledged endorsing what he described as the CIA's "enhanced" interrogation techniques - a term meant to encompass irregular, coercive methods - after Justice Department officials and other top aides assured him they were legal," Smith notes.



In February, Vice president Dick Cheney said that he personally "was a big supporter of waterboarding."

Bush's admission could have international consequences for human rights.

"President Obama and Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. have both said waterboarding is an act of torture proscribed by international law, a viewpoint supported by a handful of Republican lawmakers on Capitol Hill and opposed by other Republicans," Smith notes. "But the Obama administration has not sought to punish former Bush administration officials for approving it.

"The 26-year-old United Nations Convention Against Torture requires that all parties to it seek to enforce its provisions, even for acts committed elsewhere," he adds. "That provision, known as universal jurisdiction, has been cited in the past by prosecutors in Spain and Belgium to justify investigations of acts by foreign officials. But no such trials have occurred in foreign courts."

Bush's new book is to be released next Tuesday.

Yet he walks freely.

awake
11-06-2010, 11:45 AM
Thug.

Theocrat
11-06-2010, 11:45 AM
Yet he walks freely.

YouTube - A Few Good Men - You Can't Handle The Truth HQ (Jack Nicholson Tom Cruise) CODE RED (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOYGbM3nK9k)

:D

JeremyDahl
11-06-2010, 11:52 AM
did a theocrat just endorse lying and torture?

Lovecraftian4Paul
11-06-2010, 12:04 PM
"Damn right" he's a Stasi admiring criminal.

Kotin
11-06-2010, 12:13 PM
Fucking unbelievable.. Arrest that man!!!

awake
11-06-2010, 12:14 PM
In their world, open confessions of criminal acts are right of passage.

Standing Like A Rock
11-06-2010, 12:15 PM
Since when do are citizens of the United States subject to international law? Yes torture is wrong, but the United Nations should have no authority in the United States.

MelissaWV
11-06-2010, 12:18 PM
Since when do are citizens of the United States subject to international law? Yes torture is wrong, but the United Nations should have no authority in the United States.

On the flipside, excusing it as "war is hell" and "we were trying to get information to save lives" should not erase the acts, nor shield this man from prosecution. If you waterboard your wife, God help you; you will be painted as the devil incarnate. If you waterboard someone who you can tell people is a terrorist, you still won't get screened from the consequences... unless you enjoy the imunity of the Presidency or certain military/diplomatic positions.

Waterboard an innocent person, and you'll either wind up killing them or, more often, they'll tell you whatever they can think up that will make you stop.

Ireland4Liberty
11-06-2010, 12:22 PM
There are laws for the powerful and then there are laws for the rest of us.

The liberals cry about this and rightly so but at the end of the day it was big government thinking and a "living constitution" that gave him the opportunity to do this.

Standing Like A Rock
11-06-2010, 12:23 PM
On the flipside, excusing it as "war is hell" and "we were trying to get information to save lives" should not erase the acts, nor shield this man from prosecution. If you waterboard your wife, God help you; you will be painted as the devil incarnate. If you waterboard someone who you can tell people is a terrorist, you still won't get screened from the consequences... unless you enjoy the imunity of the Presidency or certain military/diplomatic positions.

Waterboard an innocent person, and you'll either wind up killing them or, more often, they'll tell you whatever they can think up that will make you stop.

I am not advocating the use of waterboarding or torture, but much of the article was about how in broke international law, and I was disagreeing with that.

Patrick Henry
11-06-2010, 12:28 PM
since when do are citizens of the united states subject to international law? Yes torture is wrong, but the united nations should have no authority in the united states.

qft

Imaginos
11-06-2010, 01:03 PM
:mad:

Noob
11-06-2010, 03:30 PM
So what happen with all the War crime charges in Spain against him?

Matt Collins
11-06-2010, 07:32 PM
YouTube - Judge Napolitano on Fox: Bush is a felon for authorizing torture (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nms3NIKmklk)
YouTube - Napolitano says Bush and Cheney should be indicted.mp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TosF6Ope53E)
YouTube - Shepard Smith Drops F-Bomb On Fox News' "Freedom Watch" (April 22, 2009) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG2VF4a0LWs)
YouTube - Ralph Nader & Andrew Napolitano on Presidential criminal behavior (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu1dM_SDx9E)

Agorism
11-06-2010, 07:35 PM
Bush is admitting to his crimes now. Does this mean we got him?


YouTube - Ladies and Gentlemen: We got him!! (better quality) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S02BHmWPZNs)
http://obrag.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/rove_arrested.jpg

tpreitzel
11-06-2010, 07:35 PM
In their world, open confessions of criminal acts are right of passage.

A statement not nearly as bizarre as it seems if read superficially without the context of secret societies.

Aratus
11-07-2010, 10:20 AM
in terms of the 1500s into the mid-1800s quite often the "spanish funnel" is akin to the
"spanish cure" and clearly both were illegal by our BILL OF RIGHTS and CONSTITUTION!
i assume prior to 911 each instance of waterboarding was directly individually ordered by
the president from the oval office, and its only AFTER the SEPT 11th attacks on the pentagon
and the two towers that we have waterboarding as a covert policy across the board, and
this is being done in a manner akin to the historic SPANISH INQUISITION! we know that
william mckinley's people after robert taft's trip to the philipinnes banned the practice, we
thoroughly with a certitude know that TEDDY ROOSEVELT reiterated how "cruel and unusual"
as a punishment it was! waterboarding was never asked for by president william mckinley.
this makes what george walker bush has evidently possibly personnally done to be very
unique and unusual in addition to being very cruel by definition! his memoir and wordings!