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dude58677
11-04-2010, 06:18 PM
She's a tax attorney and you cannot be both a tax attorney and a Constitutional Conservative at the same time. You can't abolish the IRS and have a profession in tax law at the same time because there wil be nothing to litigate. Irwin Schiff HATED tax attorney's for this very reason.

SWATH
11-04-2010, 06:22 PM
It is likely she is a phony.

tremendoustie
11-04-2010, 06:23 PM
She's a tax attorney and you cannot be both a tax attorney and a Constitutional Conservative at the same time. You can't abolish the IRS and have a profession in tax law at the same time because there wil be nothing to litigate. Irwin Schiff HATED tax attorney's for this very reason.

I saw her interview with AC a few days ago. That alone is enough for me to know she's a slimeball. She couldn't name a single thing she'd cut.

oyarde
11-04-2010, 06:25 PM
I saw her interview with AC a few days ago. That alone is enough for me to know she's a slimeball. She couldn't name a single thing she'd cut.

It appears nearly all have a hard time with cuts . At the same time that is a difficult question wihout having a list in front of you .

Imaginos
11-04-2010, 06:51 PM
She's just a new snake in town, just like Palin, Beck, Rubio, and etc.
Screw them.

dude58677
11-04-2010, 06:58 PM
She is the type of woman that you would invite over for sex and then you find your wallet missing afterwards.

oyarde
11-04-2010, 07:02 PM
She is the type of woman that you would invite over for sex and then you find your wallet missing afterwards.

Dude , that is all the gals I know . You know you are doing well when you get them to leave the cigarettes and beer . :)

1000-points-of-fright
11-04-2010, 07:40 PM
She also ran an attack ad saying her opponent was... an atheist!:eek:

Also said "if we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play"

sailingaway
11-04-2010, 07:41 PM
She's a tax attorney and you cannot be both a tax attorney and a Constitutional Conservative at the same time. You can't abolish the IRS and have a profession in tax law at the same time because there wil be nothing to litigate. Irwin Schiff HATED tax attorney's for this very reason.

Wrong. She likely defended people against the IRS. LOTS of attorneys are Constitutionalists.

However, I'm not entirely sure I trust her, either. I know I don't in some areas where we simply disagree.

Imaginos
11-04-2010, 07:43 PM
Also said "if we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play"
Once Israel firster, always Israel firster.

FrankRep
11-04-2010, 07:45 PM
She's a tax attorney and you cannot be both a tax attorney and a Constitutional Conservative at the same time. You can't abolish the IRS and have a profession in tax law at the same time because there wil be nothing to litigate. Irwin Schiff HATED tax attorney's for this very reason.

You need better evidence to prove your case.

smithtg
11-04-2010, 07:48 PM
there is something phony about her, i havent put my finger on it. Seems like half of a beck or therabouts

if she once does something gutsy or stands by a principle of liberty, then maybe I will notice

MN Patriot
11-04-2010, 07:49 PM
I live in Bachmann's district. I have run for US House in this district before as a Libertarian.

Maybe I should run for US House against her in 2012, and propose these things:

End the income tax and the IRS.
Cut the federal government by 50%, privatize, abolish, sell off assets to pay off the debt.
End foreign aid.
Etc.


That might cause some waves for the Republican Party.

RonPaulCult
11-04-2010, 07:59 PM
I saw her interview with AC a few days ago. That alone is enough for me to know she's a slimeball. She couldn't name a single thing she'd cut.

THIS! Watch this video and you will see that is is FULL OF IT. She can't name a damn thing that is willing to cut. NEO-CON ALERT!!!

Watch it for yourself:

YouTube - CNN: Anderson Cooper asks Michele Bachman about budget cuts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY-6ltu4oAQ)

FrankRep
11-04-2010, 08:05 PM
THIS! Watch this video and you will see that is is FULL OF IT. She can't name a damn thing that is willing to cut. NEO-CON ALERT!!!

Is Ron Paul a Neocon?

Ron Paul's speech, with Michele Bachmann

YouTube - Ron Paul's speech, with Michele Bachmann (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YleZcGvr5UQ)

Ninja Homer
11-04-2010, 08:15 PM
What she's learning from Ron Paul about economics is conflicting with her religious beliefs. I think that's why she seems phony... she's internally conflicted. She's still neocon on some issues, libertarian on others.

Either way, she's 100x more useful working against the Fed with Ron Paul than the Democrat who would have replaced her.

MN Patriot, you should run against her in 2012. Democrats will work to help you beat her in the primary. I live in her district as well... I'm sure you know what I mean. Republicans just took control of the state legislature for the first time ever and Democrats are more upset that Bachmann is still in office. It's kind of funny, really. :D

FrankRep
11-04-2010, 08:17 PM
What she's learning from Ron Paul about economics is conflicting with her religious beliefs.

News Flash: Ron Paul is a Christian too.



I think that's why she seems phony... she's internally conflicted. She's still neocon on some issues, libertarian on others.

Michelle Bachman is NOT a Neocon.

KCIndy
11-04-2010, 08:26 PM
She is the type of woman that you would invite over for sex and then you find your wallet missing afterwards.



In my case, that wouldn't be a bad deal. I've only got $16 in my wallet right now!! :D

RonPaulCult
11-04-2010, 08:26 PM
Is Ron Paul a Neocon?

Ron Paul's speech, with Michele Bachmann

YouTube - Ron Paul's speech, with Michele Bachmann (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YleZcGvr5UQ)

No, of course not. But Ron is friends with Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich too.

GreenLP
11-04-2010, 08:27 PM
I don't trust Bachman because how can someone speak of gloom and doom all the time and never stop smiling at the same time. Those kind of people scare me.

PeacePlan
11-04-2010, 08:31 PM
I have spoken to her 2 times as she is in my district. The only thing I really did not like about her was her support for the war. I asked her how we were going to pay for it. She felt it was worth going into the red for it.

She told me she meets with Ron Paul every week I think she said every Thursday and she praises Ron's work. IMO she is much better than most and wants to go after the Fed and supports the efforts to do so.

I think she ok and think she may change her tune on the war at some point as the country continues to go into debt?

FrankRep
11-04-2010, 08:32 PM
I don't trust Bachman because how can someone speak of gloom and doom all the time and never stop smiling at the same time. Those kind of people scare me.
Your statement is silly. :rolleyes:

TCE
11-04-2010, 08:36 PM
News Flash: Ron Paul is a Christian too.




Michelle Bachman is NOT a Neocon.

Yes she is, have you heard her talk about foreign policy? She's a shade better than your run of the mill neo con, but that's it. If she is a Constitutionalist, then there are roughly 100 currently in the House.

"Food Safety" Bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2009-680

Bachmann Co-sponsor to extend PATRIOT Act: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1467

Bachmann Co-sponsor act promoting sanctions on Iran: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1208

Bachmann Co-Sponsor Republican version of Financial Regulation Bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-3310

Bachmann Co-Sponsor Republican Energy Independence Bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2846

"America Stands with Israel Act." http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-5501


NEO CON! She will go along with anything the Republicans tell her to do.

FrankRep
11-04-2010, 08:38 PM
Yes she is, have you heard her talk about foreign policy? She's a shade better than your run of the mill neo con, but that's it. If she is a Constitutionalist, then there are roughly 100 currently in the House.

TCE, define Neocon!

:rolleyes:

TCE
11-04-2010, 08:39 PM
TCE, define Neocon!

:rolleyes:

<3's Israel, foreign interventionism, against civil liberties.

ClayTrainor
11-04-2010, 08:40 PM
Yes she is, have you heard her talk about foreign policy? She's a shade better than your run of the mill neo con, but that's it. If she is a Constitutionalist, then there are roughly 100 currently in the House.

"Food Safety" Bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2009-680

Bachmann Co-sponsor to extend PATRIOT Act: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1467

Bachmann Co-sponsor act promoting sanctions on Iran: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1208

Bachmann Co-Sponsor Republican version of Financial Regulation Bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-3310

Bachmann Co-Sponsor Republican Energy Independence Bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2846

"America Stands with Israel Act." http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-5501


She's scum as far as I'm concerned, absolute scum.

RonPaulCult
11-04-2010, 08:41 PM
She's better than most but is she a neo-con? Let me count the ways:

She supports the war.

She wants to tell people who they may and may not marry.

She voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending.

She voted YES on more funding for nanotechnology R&D and commercialization.

Voted NO on requiring FISA warrants for wiretaps in US, but not abroad.

Voted NO on Veto override: Congressional oversight of CIA interrogations.

Declare English as the official language of the US. (some of you like that)

Voted NO on investigating Bush impeachment for lying about Iraq.

Sanctions on Iran to end nuclear program.

FrankRep
11-04-2010, 08:41 PM
<3's Israel, foreign interventionism, against civil liberties.

Michelle Bachman isn't against civil liberties. :rolleyes:


Learn what a real Neocon is:

Defining Terms: What is a Neoconservative (Neocon)?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106

amy31416
11-04-2010, 08:42 PM
Bachmann, like Palin, is a Christian Zionist and I think that, along with neocon propaganda, is what guides her foreign policy.

We won't get rid of this element until we get rid of the neocons, or they are marginalized.

Ninja Homer
11-04-2010, 08:43 PM
News Flash: Ron Paul is a Christian too.

Point being? There are almost as many Christian views as there are Christians. For example, you'd never hear Ron Paul saying this:

"At a Republican Jewish Coalition event in Los Angeles last week, Rep. Michele Bachmann offered a candid view of her positions on Israel: Support for Israel is handed down by God and if the United States pulls back its support, America will cease to exist."
http://minnesotaindependent.com/55061/bachmann-america-cursed-by-god-if-we-reject-israel



Michelle Bachman is NOT a Neocon.

No, she isn't, not completely anyway. I'd say that she used to be neocon, but has incrementally moved towards libertarian, but she's not all the way there yet... especially on foreign policy.

Feeding the Abscess
11-04-2010, 08:43 PM
Michelle Bachman isn't against civil liberties. :rolleyes:


Learn what a real Neocon is:

Defining Terms: What is a Neoconservative (Neocon)?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106

Uh, yeah, anyone who is for the PATRIOT Act is against civil liberties.

End of discussion.

TCE
11-04-2010, 08:44 PM
Michelle Bachman isn't against civil liberties. :rolleyes:


Learn what a real Neocon is:

Defining Terms: What is a Neoconservative (Neocon)?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106

So, her vote on extending provisions of the PATRIOT Act would be promoting civil liberties? :p

She works within each part of the definition outlined in your link. She supports Medicare/the welfare state, she is against civil liberties, she likes war, etc.

dude58677
11-04-2010, 08:46 PM
in my case, that wouldn't be a bad deal. I've only got $16 in my wallet right now!! :d

:d lolol!

FrankRep
11-04-2010, 08:46 PM
Uh, yeah, anyone who is for the PATRIOT Act is against civil liberties.

End of discussion.

The Freedom Index (http://www.thenewamerican.com/files/Freedom_Index_111-4.pdf) (Constitutional Report Card) scores Michelle Bachman as 88% Constitutional.

That's pretty good.

TCE
11-04-2010, 08:50 PM
The Freedom Index (http://www.thenewamerican.com/files/Freedom_Index_111-4.pdf) (Constitutional Report Card) scores Michelle Bachman as 88% Constitutional.

That's pretty good.

She voted for $50 billion in spending, though (#36 on your sheet).

She also hasn't been in a Congress where Republicans have had control, since she was elected in 2006. Expect her number to plummet in the next Congress and in the succeeding Congress.

FrankRep
11-04-2010, 08:52 PM
She also hasn't been in a Congress where Republicans have had control, since she was elected in 2006. Expect her number to plummet in the next Congress and in the succeeding Congress.

Michelle Bachmann is hanging out with Ron Paul. Lets hope he can influence her.


Ron Paul's speech, with Michele Bachmann

YouTube - Ron Paul's speech, with Michele Bachmann (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YleZcGvr5UQ)

ChaosControl
11-04-2010, 08:52 PM
She makes a lot of flat out wrong statements and so comes off as dumb a lot of times, but she is ultimately better than a whole lot of people in congress, she just needs to better educate herself on things before she makes statements. And yes, she has a ways to go to improving her position on the issues as well.

Ninja Homer
11-04-2010, 08:56 PM
Michelle Bachmann is hanging out with Ron Paul. Lets hope he can influence her.

Sounds good, let's concentrate on that, rather than on what she should be labeled as at the moment. It's pretty obvious that she's in transition from neocon to a more libertarian viewpoint, but who knows how far her viewpoint will change or how long it will take to get there. I hope she sees the light soon on foreign policy.

Feeding the Abscess
11-04-2010, 09:00 PM
The Freedom Index (http://www.thenewamerican.com/files/Freedom_Index_111-4.pdf) (Constitutional Report Card) scores Michelle Bachman as 88% Constitutional.

That's pretty good.

1. Most Republicans scored that well. The party out of power always puts on an act when they aren't the ones in charge. Read Ron Paul's foreign policy book for some hilarious examples of Republicans against Clinton's agenda in the 90s, only to go full gung ho for them under Bush.

2. Those votes were selectively chosen to make Republicans look better. Include stuff like Military Commissions, war supplementals, etc, and she'd drop considerably.

FrankRep
11-04-2010, 09:01 PM
Sounds good, let's concentrate on that, rather than on what she should be labeled as at the moment. It's pretty obvious that she's in transition from neocon to a more libertarian viewpoint, but who knows how far her viewpoint will change or how long it will take to get there. I hope she sees the light soon on foreign policy.

Keep putting pressure on her to vote Constitutional. Let her know you are watching.

Feeding the Abscess
11-04-2010, 09:02 PM
Sounds good, let's concentrate on that, rather than on what she should be labeled as at the moment. It's pretty obvious that she's in transition from neocon to a more libertarian viewpoint, but who knows how far her viewpoint will change or how long it will take to get there. I hope she sees the light soon on foreign policy.

Your optimism is inspiring (I'm not being sarcastic), but she won't change.

I'm serious. Read "Peace, Commerce, and Honest Friendship". You'll see examples of Republicans who are for things when they're out of power, but once they're in power, the mask is removed. If she's not even going to budge on foreign policy at this point, it is never going to happen.

FrankRep
11-04-2010, 09:05 PM
Your optimism is inspiring (I'm not being sarcastic), but she won't change.

She won't change?

Silly Statement.

LibertyEagle
11-04-2010, 09:08 PM
Are you guys frickin' kidding me?

She attends Dr. Paul's lunch meetings and according to Thomas Woods, she is willing and eager and is learning. She asked Dr. Paul to come to her state and speak at her rallies and he accepted. Judge Napolitano has had her on his show. Bachmann has said she is going to setup a Constitution class for the newbies coming to Congress. She even asked the Judge if he would come teach it.

Is she perfect? Hell no! There is only one Ron Paul. But, with all the outright enemies there are out there, I fail to see why anyone would choose to attack someone who thinks highly of Dr. Paul and is attending Dr. Paul's classes.

Damn.

Ninja Homer
11-04-2010, 09:08 PM
Your optimism is inspiring (I'm not being sarcastic), but she won't change.

I'm serious. Read "Peace, Commerce, and Honest Friendship". You'll see examples of Republicans who are for things when they're out of power, but once they're in power, the mask is removed. If she's not even going to budge on foreign policy at this point, it is never going to happen.

The reason I'm optimistic is that she has changed.

Feeding the Abscess
11-04-2010, 09:10 PM
No, it's not a silly statement, Frank. Who was the last pro-Israel firster to flip and promote a non-interventionist foreign and domestic policy?

FrankRep
11-04-2010, 09:11 PM
No, it's not a silly statement, Frank. Who was the last pro-Israel firster to flip and promote a non-interventionist foreign and domestic policy?

Read:


Are you guys frickin' kidding me?

She attends Dr. Paul's lunch meetings and according to Thomas Woods, she is willing and eager and is learning. She asked Dr. Paul to come to her state and speak at her rallies and he accepted. Judge Napolitano has had her on his show. Bachmann has said she is going to setup a Constitution class for the newbies coming to Congress. She even asked the Judge if he would come teach it.

Is she perfect? Hell no! There is only one Ron Paul. But, with all the outright enemies there are out there, I fail to see why anyone would choose to attack someone who thinks highly of Dr. Paul and is attending Dr. Paul's classes.

Damn.

Feeding the Abscess
11-04-2010, 09:11 PM
The reason I'm optimistic is that she has changed.

Which major bills, ideas, or votes has she walked out and stood against Republicans on?

FrankRep
11-04-2010, 09:12 PM
Which major bills, ideas, or votes has she walked out and stood against Republicans on?

Read:


Are you guys frickin' kidding me?

She attends Dr. Paul's lunch meetings and according to Thomas Woods, she is willing and eager and is learning. She asked Dr. Paul to come to her state and speak at her rallies and he accepted. Judge Napolitano has had her on his show. Bachmann has said she is going to setup a Constitution class for the newbies coming to Congress. She even asked the Judge if he would come teach it.

Is she perfect? Hell no! There is only one Ron Paul. But, with all the outright enemies there are out there, I fail to see why anyone would choose to attack someone who thinks highly of Dr. Paul and is attending Dr. Paul's classes.

Damn.

Feeding the Abscess
11-04-2010, 09:12 PM
That's nice, Frank. John Ashcroft (yes, that John Ashcroft) was against Clinton's wiretapping policy, as it was "against the Constitution".

Most here could tell you what he did as Bush's lackey.

RonPaulCult
11-04-2010, 09:13 PM
Are you guys frickin' kidding me?

She attends Dr. Paul's lunch meetings and according to Thomas Woods, she is willing and eager and is learning. She asked Dr. Paul to come to her state and speak at her rallies and he accepted. Judge Napolitano has had her on his show. Bachmann has said she is going to setup a Constitution class for the newbies coming to Congress. She even asked the Judge if he would come teach it.

Is she perfect? Hell no! There is only one Ron Paul. But, with all the outright enemies there are out there, I fail to see why anyone would choose to attack someone who thinks highly of Dr. Paul and is attending Dr. Paul's classes.

Damn.

Because it isn't difficult to stand up for freedom and liberty. No, I don't expect everybody to be Ron Paul. But as many of us have demonstrated in this thread, she votes like a neo-con far too often to avoid our criticism.

If you put about 98% of the people who regularly post on this forum into congress we would probably vote like Ron Paul with almost every vote.

We get it - Michelle Bachmann either doesn't get it (cause she's stupid?) or gets it and isn't one of us. Simple as that.

Enough about who Ron Paul eats lunch with. Again, he's worked with Ralph Nader, Dennis Kucinich, Barny Frank and Bernie Sanders. It means NOTHING that Ron Paul is friendly with her, except that they agree in some (but not nearly all) ways.

Ninja Homer
11-04-2010, 09:14 PM
Are you guys frickin' kidding me?

She attends Dr. Paul's lunch meetings and according to Thomas Woods, she is willing and eager and is learning. She asked Dr. Paul to come to her state and speak at her rallies and he accepted. Judge Napolitano has had her on his show. Bachmann has said she is going to setup a Constitution class for the newbies coming to Congress. She even asked the Judge if he would come teach it.

Is she perfect? Hell no! There is only one Ron Paul. But, with all the outright enemies there are out there, I fail to see why anyone would choose to attack someone who thinks highly of Dr. Paul and is attending Dr. Paul's classes.

Damn.

+1

It takes a long time to learn this stuff and unlearn what she thought she knew as the truth. It takes even longer to come to grips that your entire worldview was wrong. The point where she'll really be tested is when she has to choose between reduced spending and an empirical foreign policy.

Bergie Bergeron
11-04-2010, 09:35 PM
I live in Bachmann's district. I have run for US House in this district before as a Libertarian.

Maybe I should run for US House against her in 2012, and propose these things:

End the income tax and the IRS.
Cut the federal government by 50%, privatize, abolish, sell off assets to pay off the debt.
End foreign aid.
Etc.


That might cause some waves for the Republican Party.
I double dare you.

amy31416
11-04-2010, 09:37 PM
No, it's not a silly statement, Frank. Who was the last pro-Israel firster to flip and promote a non-interventionist foreign and domestic policy?

I have never heard of such a creature, not within the political establishment anyways.

Feeding the Abscess
11-04-2010, 09:41 PM
That's exactly my point, and something that some supporters of GOP establishment aren't getting.

furface
11-04-2010, 09:51 PM
I live in Bachmann's district. I have run for US House in this district before as a Libertarian.

Maybe I should run for US House against her in 2012, and propose these things:

End the income tax and the IRS.
Cut the federal government by 50%, privatize, abolish, sell off assets to pay off the debt.
End foreign aid.
Etc.


That might cause some waves for the Republican Party.

You should do it. I'll donate money to your campaign. Start your campaign tomorrow. Make a point of contacting each Republican household at least a few times through door to door canvasing, robocalling, mail, etc. Develop a consistent set of ideas about how Bachmann is not fiscally responsible. You can raise money if you put together a good campaign. A lot of people despise the woman and are willing to pay money to attempt to defeat her.

dude58677
11-04-2010, 10:06 PM
Are you guys frickin' kidding me?

She attends Dr. Paul's lunch meetings and according to Thomas Woods, she is willing and eager and is learning. She asked Dr. Paul to come to her state and speak at her rallies and he accepted. Judge Napolitano has had her on his show. Bachmann has said she is going to setup a Constitution class for the newbies coming to Congress. She even asked the Judge if he would come teach it.

Is she perfect? Hell no! There is only one Ron Paul. But, with all the outright enemies there are out there, I fail to see why anyone would choose to attack someone who thinks highly of Dr. Paul and is attending Dr. Paul's classes.

Damn.

So you are saying that Michelle Bachman would not steal my wallet if I invited her over for sex?:D

TCE
11-04-2010, 10:46 PM
+1

It takes a long time to learn this stuff and unlearn what she thought she knew as the truth. It takes even longer to come to grips that your entire worldview was wrong. The point where she'll really be tested is when she has to choose between reduced spending and an empirical foreign policy.

Please see Frank Rep's link. She failed the test, she voted for the $58.8 billion of appropriations because of the military funding.

A year ago, no one would be defending her. All of a sudden, this forum has become GOP-lite. I remember when pro-AIPAC, pro-imperialist, anti-civil liberties Republicans were considered bad, but a year later, they are somehow potential allies. It takes someone with less than 100 posts to show us the light. I am in awe.

LE: Zigzag Zach Wamp, of Matt Collins handshaking fame, also attended Dr. Paul's luncheons. As Matt Collins will definitely attest to, he is no liberty candidate. Michelle Bachmann will not defy her party on anything major, and when she does (such as for the food safety bill), it's an anti-liberty bill.

FrankRep
11-04-2010, 10:48 PM
Please see Frank Rep's link. She failed the test, she voted for the $58.8 billion of appropriations because of the military funding.

She's 88% (http://www.thenewamerican.com/files/Freedom_Index_111-4.pdf) Constitutional. Not bad.
Plus, she's starting to hang out with Ron Paul so I expect her to get better.

tremendoustie
11-04-2010, 11:07 PM
I have spoken to her 2 times as she is in my district. The only thing I really did not like about her was her support for the war.

That's like saying the only thing wrong with my buddy is that he's a serial killer.


I asked her how we were going to pay for it. She felt it was worth going into the red for it.


Great, I suggest she go into the red for it herself, then, and stop incurring debts in my name.

I'm glad to hear she's hanging out with Ron, Woods, etc. Hopefully she'll come around.

justinc.1089
11-05-2010, 02:46 AM
I live in Bachmann's district. I have run for US House in this district before as a Libertarian.

Maybe I should run for US House against her in 2012, and propose these things:

End the income tax and the IRS.
Cut the federal government by 50%, privatize, abolish, sell off assets to pay off the debt.
End foreign aid.
Etc.


That might cause some waves for the Republican Party.


No, I suggest running for your state instead, and using your influence to encourage her to do some good things she might possibly do. Bide your time, and when she loses, or is not running, or whatever, then try to get the nomination.

Or run for the state house or senate, and then run for another bigger office that isn't her seat.

I think either of those would be great, and better alternatives because you would probably win since you have some experience campaigning, and there's very little hope you could beat a very popular candidate like her in my opinion. I urge you to run for something else. I hope you like my idea, and again, you would probably win if you're willing to run as a Republican.

And if being a Republican bothers you a lot, you could always run Republican and switch to Libertarian after you're elected too. Another suggestion.;)

Whatever you decide though, I support you, although being a broke college student my goodwill is about all I'm able to give you sadly.:(

JohnEngland
11-05-2010, 03:24 AM
Apparently the GOP establishment wants to keep Bachmann down:

http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/05/house-gop-walking-fine-line-with-tea-party-in-effort-to-keep-bachmann-and-her-antics-out-of-leadership/

On a related note, perhaps having Bachmann (a friend of Ron) as GOP Conference Chair would be helpful to Ron Paul's agenda?

TCE
11-05-2010, 02:05 PM
No, I suggest running for your state instead, and using your influence to encourage her to do some good things she might possibly do. Bide your time, and when she loses, or is not running, or whatever, then try to get the nomination.

Or run for the state house or senate, and then run for another bigger office that isn't her seat.

I think either of those would be great, and better alternatives because you would probably win since you have some experience campaigning, and there's very little hope you could beat a very popular candidate like her in my opinion. I urge you to run for something else. I hope you like my idea, and again, you would probably win if you're willing to run as a Republican.

And if being a Republican bothers you a lot, you could always run Republican and switch to Libertarian after you're elected too. Another suggestion.;)

Whatever you decide though, I support you, although being a broke college student my goodwill is about all I'm able to give you sadly.:(

Agreed. Run as a Republican for State House/State Senate, or another local position and then bide your time. The Libertarian Party is hopeless and useless.

Deborah K
11-05-2010, 02:20 PM
She's a tax attorney and you cannot be both a tax attorney and a Constitutional Conservative at the same time. You can't abolish the IRS and have a profession in tax law at the same time because there wil be nothing to litigate. Irwin Schiff HATED tax attorney's for this very reason.

You obviously have never heard of Joe Banister, or Sherry Jackson. Both of whom worked for the IRS - until they realized taxation of wages is unconstitutional.

LibertyEagle
11-05-2010, 02:34 PM
LE: Zigzag Zach Wamp, of Matt Collins handshaking fame, also attended Dr. Paul's luncheons. As Matt Collins will definitely attest to, he is no liberty candidate. Michelle Bachmann will not defy her party on anything major, and when she does (such as for the food safety bill), it's an anti-liberty bill.

I understand. Thomas Woods' also spoke highly of her with regard to her seeming eagerness to learn.

I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for the time being and watch closely.

There are PLENTY of other true dirt bags out there to go after.

silentshout
11-05-2010, 02:40 PM
She also ran an attack ad saying her opponent was... an atheist!:eek:

Also said "if we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play"

Yeah, it is stuff like this that makes me run away...

HOLLYWOOD
11-05-2010, 02:52 PM
I understand. Thomas Woods' also spoke highly of her with regard to her seeming eagerness to learn.

I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for the time being and watch closely.

There are PLENTY of other true dirt bags out there to go after.


Man this thread was looking like one over at HotAir or DemocracyUnderground...

Michele Bachmann has plenty of flaws but is better than 90% of the GOP... but remember we aren't going to win this over night.


Did you know she a foster mom to like 12 kids...

She has been on interviews numerous times explaining how the US Federal Tax Courts are a scam and rigged for themselves. How Americans are guilty of everything accused of them by those courts and how you have to prove them wrong and yourself innocent. I learned quite a bit from Bachmann on this.

She's an ally for now

Focus your energy and investigative research on the GOP Inner Circle scum... Pence, Cantor, Boehner, Sessions, etc

libertarian4321
11-05-2010, 02:53 PM
Uh, yeah, anyone who is for the PATRIOT Act is against civil liberties.

End of discussion.

+1776

Though that is not the only anti civil liberties stance she has taken- far from it.

libertarian4321
11-05-2010, 02:53 PM
She a foster mom to like 12 kids...



And they say Hitler loved dogs...

oyarde
11-05-2010, 03:01 PM
Man this thread was looking like one over at HotAir or DemocracyUnderground...

Michele Bachmann has plenty of flaws but is better than 90% of the GOP... but remember we aren't going to win this over night.


Did you know she a foster mom to like 12 kids...

She has been on interviews numerous times explaining how the US Federal Tax Courts are a scam and rigged for themselves. How Americans are guilty of everything accused of them by those courts and how you have to prove them wrong and yourself innocent. I learned quite a bit from Bachmann on this.

She's an ally for now

Focus your energy and investigative research on the GOP Inner Circle scum... Pence, Cantor, Boehner, Sessions, etc
Pence stepped down from leadership . He will likely be working on Gov.

oyarde
11-05-2010, 03:02 PM
And they say Hitler loved dogs...

Yeah , totally different though , the dog was the only thing that ever loved him.

dude58677
11-05-2010, 03:04 PM
You obviously have never heard of Joe Banister, or Sherry Jackson. Both of whom worked for the IRS - until they realized taxation of wages is unconstitutional.

I forgot about them. That's true. :)

oyarde
11-05-2010, 03:07 PM
Lets see .. Do I trust Bachman ? Relative to what ? The rest of congress ? Then yes , I trust her .

SovereignMN
11-05-2010, 03:11 PM
In 2007 I was working the Constitution Party booth at the Washington County fair in her district. We were right next to a booth setup by a church with "Bachmann & Associats" (her husband's counseling company) 2 booth's down. Michelle Bachmann came to visit her husband and then stopped by the church booth because she knew all the volunteers there. (It might be the church she attends...couldn't tell) When she was done talking to the church people she started walking back the opposite way towards he husband's booth and then did a complete 180 and came to talk to me, who was sitting by myself in the CP booth. The first thing she said was "Thanks for doing this. We need you guys." and then proceeded to talk to me for about 5 minutes about how she got started in politics with Howard Phillips (CP founder), how the Republicans were losing their way and how dissatisfied she was with the direction of the party. This was August of 2007 and we had our table covered with Ron Paul stuff because the Republican booth was ignoring him and only put out Guiliani, McCain and Romney material. Right before she left Bachmann lifted up a Ron Paul flyer and said "Good man" and gave the thumbs up sign. Bachmann may not be on-board 100% with the liberty train but she isn't the enemy either.

oyarde
11-05-2010, 03:13 PM
She also ran an attack ad saying her opponent was... an atheist!:eek:

Also said "if we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play"

I am interested in knowing more about the curse .

JK/SEA
11-05-2010, 03:17 PM
After January 1st if you look at Pelosi you will turn to stone......just sayin'...

Ninja Homer
11-05-2010, 03:48 PM
Please see Frank Rep's link. She failed the test, she voted for the $58.8 billion of appropriations because of the military funding.

Neocon isn't a black & white label for people, it's a label for certain political views and policies. Holding some neocon views makes her somewhat neocon.


A year ago, no one would be defending her. All of a sudden, this forum has become GOP-lite. I remember when pro-AIPAC, pro-imperialist, anti-civil liberties Republicans were considered bad, but a year later, they are somehow potential allies. It takes someone with less than 100 posts to show us the light. I am in awe.

Gotta call BS on that: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=197132

Even Ron Paul has had a lot of good things to say about her.

We have to work with what we've got, and try to improve on it. If we're going to be absolutists, we might as well go back to the Libertarian party and never accomplish a damn thing.

tremendoustie
11-05-2010, 03:52 PM
We have to work with what we've got, and try to improve on it. If we're going to be absolutists, we might as well go back to the Libertarian party and never accomplish a damn thing.

There's a big difference between working in a certain party, because that's a good way to succeed, and compromising principles. I'll vote for a democrat if they're pro liberty. I won't vote for or support a pro war or anti civil liberties republican under any circumstances.

tremendoustie
11-05-2010, 03:54 PM
Even Ron Paul has had a lot of good things to say about her.


Ron Paul has a lot of good things to say about Kucinich too.

FrankRep
11-05-2010, 03:57 PM
Ron Paul has a lot of good things to say about Kucinich too.
Ron Paul and Kucinich agreed that the Federal Reserve needs to be audited. Kucinich turns around and votes Against the Audit the Fed bill. Remember that?

justinc.1089
11-05-2010, 04:04 PM
Right now she's an ally to us, and liberty, only because the rest is so bad. She is still progress in the right direction.

If we had the opportunity to replace her one day with one of our own, then it should be done.

Which is why I encouraged another poster to run for office, but a different one until there is a real possibility they could actually replace Bachmann. It would be far better to have them elected to an office rather than running against a very popular, not nearly as bad as most candidate like Bachmann, and later they will have a better opportunity to replace her eventually.

tremendoustie
11-05-2010, 04:10 PM
Ron Paul and Kucinich agreed that the Federal Reserve needs to be audited. Kucinich turns around and votes Against the Audit the Fed bill. Remember that?

My point is that the fact that ron paul has good things to say about someone doesn't mean they're an ally, or at all a pro liberty person. He tries to be congenial, and emphasize the good.

I think if we want to not be co-opted into the GOP, we need to call a spade a spade. This place should be against "lesser of two evils", or partisan thinking. Republicans have a track record of hugely growing government, including massive foreign aggression and violations of personal and civil liberties. Generally speaking, they are enemies of liberty.

Anti war, pro civil liberty democrats mostly got co-opted into the Obama fan club, and the movement died. I would hate to see that happen to the RP movement. 95% of republicans in government are anti liberty. Please don't forget this -- and please don't be fooled yet again by their dishonest, empty rhetoric

SovereignMN
11-05-2010, 10:47 PM
Right now she's an ally to us, and liberty, only because the rest is so bad. She is still progress in the right direction.

If we had the opportunity to replace her one day with one of our own, then it should be done.

Which is why I encouraged another poster to run for office, but a different one until there is a real possibility they could actually replace Bachmann. It would be far better to have them elected to an office rather than running against a very popular, not nearly as bad as most candidate like Bachmann, and later they will have a better opportunity to replace her eventually.

This.

Even though my previous post was favorable to Bachmann and I did vote for her this go around, I also signed a petition for a 3rd party pro-liberty candidate to get his chance on the ballot. He didn't get enough signatures though. :(

StateofTrance
11-05-2010, 10:50 PM
She's a bat shit crazy women. But I'd do her.

Tyr
11-05-2010, 11:07 PM
Are you guys frickin' kidding me?

She attends Dr. Paul's lunch meetings and according to Thomas Woods, she is willing and eager and is learning. She asked Dr. Paul to come to her state and speak at her rallies and he accepted. Judge Napolitano has had her on his show. Bachmann has said she is going to setup a Constitution class for the newbies coming to Congress. She even asked the Judge if he would come teach it.

Is she perfect? Hell no! There is only one Ron Paul. But, with all the outright enemies there are out there, I fail to see why anyone would choose to attack someone who thinks highly of Dr. Paul and is attending Dr. Paul's classes.

Damn.


I agree with you. Not everyone starts out a Conservative or Libertarian, some need work. Judging by the company she keeps and is learning from she's a friend, not an enemy and i'm willing to give her the benefit of a doubt as well as time to be properly Educated and brought around.