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osan
11-03-2010, 01:50 PM
We have ousted the incumbent evil. A nice start, but not nearly sufficient to the task we have set ourselves to, which is nothing less than the establishment of liberty within the borders of these United States.

It seems to me that we, the liberty loving people of the United States, need to make a quantum alteration in our lifestyle such that the immediate holding of the feet of elected officials alarmingly close to a very large and hot fire becomes a matter of daily practice and not one of reaction when crises threaten. I would also advocate an alteration of attitude such that utter intolerance becomes the keystone of our general posture toward all who suggest even the merest hint of trespass upon our freedom. Let us gage all political activity by that standard of stern intolerance and let our actions be not only heard but keenly felt by those in whom we place our trust.

An agenda should also be prepared to which we shall aspire to drive our elected officials to satisfy. I would include items such as dismantling of the Fed including a full audit of their activities since 1914, investigation of those currently operating that institution, trial for those guilty of criminal activity including treason against us, and execution for all found guilty. Repeal of the 17th Amendment, abolition of all income taxes, abolition of "free trade" agreements as they exist, repeal of all drug laws, repeal of all gun laws, repeal of minimum wage laws, establishment of true free markets, abolition of corporate personhood, repeal of ALL social programs, etc. and so forth.

These agenda items need to be pushed with great vigor such that serious discussion is engaged in and we begin to take materially effective steps to see them realized on a definite time table.

If we just sit back and expect "them" to do all of this for us, we will be waiting a very long time to see even the smallest positive change.

That is my opinion - just a first swag, too. What are yours?

nate895
11-03-2010, 01:53 PM
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11-03-2010, 01:54 PM
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wizardwatson
11-03-2010, 01:55 PM
We have to organize the way we do for a political campaign outside of the campaign paradigm. CFL was a stab at this but isn't very lively. I suspect we won't though and everyone will focus their efforts on RP's 2012 run.

osan
11-03-2010, 01:59 PM
We have to organize the way we do for a political campaign outside of the campaign paradigm. CFL was a stab at this but isn't very lively. I suspect we won't though and everyone will focus their efforts on RP's 2012 run.

And this will enable these lame ducks to get away with some serious shit.

Not a good sign, if it comes to pass.

osan
11-03-2010, 02:03 PM
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Fair enough, but methinks we need more than jut this. Putting out fires is not the way to proceed. We need a vision and a plan based on it.

I'm thinking there are more thank enough top notch brain cells here amongst us to not only architect the vision, but the strategic plan of action as well.

I'd be willing to help as I might on such a project if there are others who would join in on such an endeavor.

Anyone?

wizardwatson
11-03-2010, 02:12 PM
And this will enable these lame ducks to get away with some serious shit.

Not a good sign, if it comes to pass.

I'm not against RP running. I'd love it as much as the next RPF'er. We need to fervently support the campaign but must be mindful that using the wave of support RP will generate and channeling it into a truly strong, motivated and above all organized movement is paramount. We have to stop riding the coat tails of these campaigns and then when they're over going, "ok what now".

Elwar
11-03-2010, 02:31 PM
Ron Paul 2012.

osan
11-04-2010, 01:48 PM
Ron Paul 2012.

Perhaps necessary, but not sufficient. Not even close. He needs broad support in the legislative branch, which he would not have. We need more and my next post may be a possible path forward.

nate895
11-04-2010, 01:55 PM
Perhaps necessary, but not sufficient. Not even close. He needs broad support in the legislative branch, which he would not have. We need more and my next post may be a possible path forward.

A popular Republican President (Ron Paul would be popular if elected) with a totally Republican Congress would force the Congress to pass significant reforms. The GOP leadership is bound to support the actions of a GOP president, and most Members follow their leadership.

He couldn't abolish anything (except maybe a few cabinet posts), but he definitely could start a phase out of Social Security (not Medicare) if the youth vote for him in droves. It would also be possible to see a total takeover of the Senate in 2014 in that scenario if his policies are popular and he doesn't go too fast. The key is to not go to fast. This is a conservative country, they don't like to go fast even if they want to significantly change things. That's one of the primary reasons Obama was crushed Tuesday night.

osan
11-04-2010, 01:59 PM
How many of you are familiar with the concept of "open software"?

The thought occurred to me a few moments ago that perhaps what we need is an "open government governance" initiative, similar to that of open software.

Consider LINUX - many thousands of programmers and other geeks donating their time to improve and expand a FREE operating system. Open Software arose largely as a reaction to the perceived TYRANNY of Microsoft. Why could we not do the same with government?

Imagine a very real community of freedom activists donating their time not in haphazardly scattered efforts in manifold corners of the nation, but in a single, coherent system replete with a philosophy, ideals, ideas, goals, and an agenda. Structure it similarly to OSF and other such "governing" bodies that establish and maintain the various technical standards. Anyone can contribute. No bosses - just leaders and anyone so inclined should have an opportunity to lead.

What are your opinions on establishing the Open Government Governance Foundation?