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Andrew76
05-17-2007, 08:11 AM
I ask this because he himself has said he won't run as an independent if he doesn't get the republican nomination. Here in the midwest, I want to be optimistic about this, but... just imagining the loss (of the primary) is already breaking my heart. How realistic is it to expect that he'll actually win the republican nomination? I was really hoping that Ron Paul would have a "plan B" of sorts if he isn't nominated.
In my mind at least, he is peerless, but look at who we've been electing! In this current age where mediocrity runs rampant, there's a very fine line between my optimism and my cynicism. Thoughts?

Oh, and forgive me if this has already been addressed, I just joined the forum this morning.

furface
05-17-2007, 08:16 AM
The revolution and the fight doesn't stop with Ron. You keep going, and do your best to save America from the creeps who have stolen it from the American people.

CountryB4Party
05-17-2007, 08:23 AM
Most sage advice, furface.


Country before Party. Vote the Issues.
Ron Paul for President 2008

Delivered4000
05-17-2007, 08:24 AM
I really think he should run even if he doesn't get the nomination. He has a huge following, and even if he doesn't win as a Libertarian, it'll give the movement some major momentum. Do what you can and vote for him in the primaries, spread the message and don't ever lose hope.

No one thought Jimmy Carter would get past the primaries.

When Carter entered the Democratic Party presidential primaries in 1976, he was considered to have little chance against nationally better-known politicians. He had a name recognition of only 2 percent. When he told his family of his intention to run for President, he was asked by his mother, "President of what?"


No one expected that Ross Perot would be able to get almost 20% of the popular vote despite the fact that he was not from any of the two dominant parties.

Adopting a defeatist attitude and having the "I'm throwing my vote away" mentality is equivalent to surrendering your freedom. It's what the establishment wants. They want you to believe that you can't vote for anyone other than this puppet or the other.

Andrew76
05-17-2007, 08:36 AM
Well I of course don't think that when I vote in the Missouri primary for Ron Paul, that it will be a wasted vote. Optimism and belief in the ultimate value of liberty is certainly the superior choice. But, as some have now noted, I actually wish he would plan to run, no matter what.
I'm mainly motivated by the feeling that whoever wins the primary will be whoever is supported by Fox "news," and the like, as they have already been ceaselessly doing, ie: Romney, Giuliani, McCain. My concern is that he may lose the primary, not because he isn't the best choice, but because he hasn't been given a fair shot, and will have in fact, been given the proverbial shaft by the mainstream media. Ok, ok, enough of my pessimism. Onwards and upwards! ;) To hell with Fox newz.

swatmc
05-17-2007, 08:49 AM
I truly believe that most Americans, the thoughtful ones, have always wanted a candidate like Ron Paul to run.

And if he doesn't win, we'll survive. But it's crucial that we fight as hard as we can for Ron Paul, "...so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."-TR

Keep fighting.

DrStrabismus
05-17-2007, 08:58 AM
Technically, what Paul said was that he wouldn't run as an independent. Maybe he is hinting that if he doesn't get the Republican nomination that he would seek the nomination of a third party OR start a new party. There is certainly a segment of the Republican party that wants it to change, maybe it's time to let it split up into two parties. Paul's new party could be called the Constitutional Republican Party or something like that to distinguish it from the old one. This could appeal to a lot of people.

thePhilosopher
05-17-2007, 09:01 AM
If he doesn't get the nomination then we get Mitt Romney. Because we all know that it is going to come down to the Paul Internet Zombies and the Mormon Conspiracy.

ButchHowdy
05-17-2007, 09:09 AM
If he doesn't get the nomination then we get Mitt Romney. Because we all know that it is going to come down to the Paul Internet Zombies and the Mormon Conspiracy.

Do you think Mitt would survive the Southern Baptist Convention? If they don't eat him for breakfast, The Hildabeast will.

Bloombergs ready to plunk down a $1B for a 3rd party but 'B' may stand for 'Beholden'

Gabecpa
05-17-2007, 09:09 AM
I really think he should run even if he doesn't get the nomination. He has a huge following, and even if he doesn't win as a Libertarian, it'll give the movement some major momentum. Do what you can and vote for him in the primaries, spread the message and don't ever lose hope.

No one thought Jimmy Carter would get past the primaries.



No one expected that Ross Perot would be able to get almost 20% of the popular vote despite the fact that he was not from any of the two dominant parties.

Adopting a defeatist attitude and having the "I'm throwing my vote away" mentality is equivalent to surrendering your freedom. It's what the establishment wants. They want you to believe that you can't vote for anyone other than this puppet or the other.

Very well said.

I remember the 1998 Gubernatorial election here in Minnesota. Jesse Ventura was running from a third party and barely even registered in the polls. But people went out and silently voted for him. It was an entertaining night to watch election coverage because Hubert Humphrey III was leading every single poll and was expected to walk away with it.

People can make the change, but when the MSM tells you that 48% like one guy, 49% like the other guy, and 3% like your guy people get scared. The point is to not get scared and vote for the lesser of two evils.

angelatc
05-17-2007, 09:30 AM
Adopting a defeatist attitude and having the "I'm throwing my vote away" mentality is equivalent to surrendering your freedom. It's what the establishment wants. They want you to believe that you can't vote for anyone other than this puppet or the other.

Absolutely.

I'd much rather vote for a winner and lose than to vote for a loser and win.

I'm not banking on RP losing though. This whole campaign has the capability of being won on a grassroots level.

I'm sure the media managers will have figured out how to control the internet by 2012. so this might be our best hope of actually hearing, and being heard by, the people.

But if you can, you should donate something to his coffers. Sad but true - the more money he raises the more attention he'll garner.

angelatc
05-17-2007, 09:36 AM
There is certainly a segment of the Republican party that wants it to change, maybe it's time to let it split up into two parties.


Actually, what surprises me is how many Democrats are also ready for change. While Republicans bemoan the loss of our party to business and religion, there is a vocal number of Democrats that feel their party has been hijacked by special interest groups and socialists.

DrStrabismus
05-17-2007, 09:38 AM
Actually, what surprises me is how many Democrats are also ready for change. While Republicans bemoan the loss of our party to business and religion, there is a vocal number of Democrats that feel their party has been hijacked by special interest groups and socialists.

I agree, some democrats would likely find a new party appealing as well. I think many people are looking for a change.

MsDoodahs
05-17-2007, 09:49 AM
Snooping around at a site for democrats this morning ;) , I saw several mentioning how they are LOVING what Ron Paul is saying and that they believe HIS SINCERITY over that of their OWN CANDIDATES!

So it is not a far out idea to believe that at least SOME of them would jump ship.

Elwar
05-17-2007, 10:19 AM
Ron Paul actually said he doesn't plan on running as an independent. Of course he doesn't plan on doing that, he plans on winning the Republican primary.

I've voted third party for the past decade, I don't like throwing my vote away by including it with the millions of other votes that would just drown out my vote (I am selfish that way). Ron Paul would be the only major party candidate I've voted for in a decade, outside of a few city councilmen and such.

If Ron Paul does not win the primary and doesn't run as a third party candidate, I would seriously consider voting for Hillary Clinton. I would vote for anyone who would turn this country into a cesspool to the point where people will welcome the revolution.

If people ignore this opportunity for liberty, they deserve none.

Who's John Galt?

lifeasariver
05-17-2007, 10:33 AM
Snooping around at a site for democrats this morning ;) , I saw several mentioning how they are LOVING what Ron Paul is saying and that they believe HIS SINCERITY over that of their OWN CANDIDATES!

So it is not a far out idea to believe that at least SOME of them would jump ship.

I was considering myself a democrat and I jumped ship. My political views are libertarian but I was supporting the democrats due to my anti-war feelings.

I will vote for Ron Paul but I really hope that he will reconsider and run as an independent if he doesn't get the GOP nomination. Why? Because there is no alternative other that Ron Paul to regain our country and reinstate the Constitution. Any other GOP and Dem candidate throws populist messages out with no real substance and once in the White House they will recycle the same crooks currently in the administration and do just more of the same thing we have had for 6 years. On the Democrats side, by their actions in Congress they have already proven that they aren't really willing to end the war and Obama for example, a clueless guy on just about everything, is already un-sheeting his sword at Iran.

There is so much more than the Iraq war that has to be fixed. All the other candidates are using the Iraq war only to gain popularity but not one of them will actually end it. They will just rename it. Beyond the Iraq war, there is the whole imperialistic foreign policy that kills us and has to be changed, the petrodollar system that will come to a halt and we have no alternative, the peak oil situation that we decided to address by invading countries that have some oil left, the blind support for Israel regardless of their atrocious actions, the Federal Reserve system that made us bankrupt, the tax system that puts us into the poor house while making the rich even richer, the national debt and budget deficits, the enormous "defense" spending, and on and on.

Ron Paul is the only one willing and capable of addressing these issues. But he has to win now, there is no other option. We don't have 4 years to strengthen another momentum behind his libertarian philosophy. Just imagine 4 years of Giuliani, McCain, Hillary or Obama. Just imagine...

I really, really hope Ron Paul will reconsider and run as an independent if he doesn't get the nomination.

lifeasariver
05-17-2007, 10:37 AM
If Ron Paul does not win the primary and doesn't run as a third party candidate, I would seriously consider voting for Hillary Clinton. I would vote for anyone who would turn this country into a cesspool to the point where people will welcome the revolution.

If people ignore this opportunity for liberty, they deserve none.

Who's John Galt?

I will do exactly the same thing. I would rather vote for the worst person ever that will break the country for good than to have more of the same.

billv
05-17-2007, 10:41 AM
I'm not a big fan of Rush Limbaugh anymore but he always talks about working to spread conservative values and principles. I think even if Ron loses, we still have to spread the message of freedom. It's the only way to restore our country from the encroaching fascist, totalitarian state.

cujothekitten
05-17-2007, 11:07 AM
Personally I'll probably push for the Libertarian candidate. If Ron doesn't make it past the primaries, and we all put just as much effort to the libertarian candidate, then they might make a better showing come election day.

I've never seen such a group of dedicated people for a presidential canidate. Imagine if we pull together again for a solid 3rd party.

Melchior
05-17-2007, 11:16 AM
It isn't absolutely essential that Ron Paul win, in fact I'm not even expecting it.

A lot of the people who are voting for Ron Paul this election normally vote for independents and third parties, and these are voters who are used to losing elections. But losing the election doesn't mean progress wasn't made...

The point is this, if Ron Paul loses the nomination, and it is no doubt likely he will (although I am becoming more and more optimistic), people are going to remember him now, and his ideas. Libertarianism is starting to become more popular these days, and this trend will continue if we keep running principled candidates.

mconder
05-17-2007, 01:32 PM
Ron won't be nominated, unless everyone of us try to become delegates or have influence on a delegate. Unless everyone of us actually does something locally, he has no chance. I hope everyone realizes posting on forums and blogging alone will not get the job done. You have to actually do something people.

voortrekker
05-17-2007, 02:27 PM
If Ron Paul does not win the primary and doesn't run as a third party candidate, I would seriously consider voting for Hillary Clinton. I would vote for anyone who would turn this country into a cesspool to the point where people will welcome the revolution.
If people ignore this opportunity for liberty, they deserve none.



I'm in the fox hole with you. Either Paul will win or it's gonna be let's get this done, let's get it on. Full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes!

JoshLowry
05-17-2007, 02:35 PM
Ron won't be nominated, unless everyone of us try to become delegates or have influence on a delegate. Unless everyone of us actually does something locally, he has no chance. I hope everyone realizes posting on forums and blogging alone will not get the job done. You have to actually do something people.

Agreed. This can be won by using the net to organize our offline actions.

If we just talk on here, then that's all it will amount to, just talk.

We are still growing but we need to pound some pavement. If you do then please document it and post about your demonstrations. It should help to encourage others.

I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but it's "PAUL OR BUST!"

aravoth
05-17-2007, 02:39 PM
I will write him in. He already won the nomination in my mind.

Brandybuck
05-17-2007, 02:48 PM
If he doesn't win, it won't be the end of the world. He WILL have changed things. We may get a Clinton or Guiliani in office, but they're not going to sitting on their throne lightly. Ron Paul is also demonstrating that you CAN get people excited about liberty. You don't have to be President to change the world.

tnvoter
05-17-2007, 04:34 PM
The more people that see him, the more people wake-up, and take him seriously.

Keep this momentum going, because Ron is going to get the nomination.

CurtisLow
05-17-2007, 04:42 PM
I will write him in. He already won the nomination in my mind.

Me too!!

shahram72
05-17-2007, 08:53 PM
I'll tell you what we do!

If he does not get the GOP nomination, and if he does not run as an independent or other party, we vote for him as a write-in even if he does not run at all!!!!! We refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils.