Why should i vote tomorrow, whats the point? Anyone from Iowa?

[RonPaulHawkeye]

Hi all, long time occasional reader. :o


After hating myself for voting for Bush who took us to an unjust war and seeing how many of my republican friends just went gaga for a recent Romney visit to Dubuque Iowa why in the world would i vote for more pro war, terrorism fear mongering McCain-Palin-Beck Republican clan? I don't know what to do and don't have the time to read up on all these candidates anymore, one says one thing another says something else. Some want Grassley out, others love him, even some of my so called tea party friends have nothing in common with Ron Paul and they care to listen only to nut jobs like Hannity, Beck & FOX NEWS!

I feel like the Tea-Party movement that was initially started by Ron Paul fans was side railed by FOX NEWS & Beck. Am i wrong?



Anyone from Dubuque Iowa care to share who i should consider on voting tomorrow that is more aligned to Ron Paul? Otherwise i plan to sit this out.. :(

[Brian4Liberty]

Interesting post from a new user the day before an election...

We will all be voting. You should vote too. Vote all Libertarian if you don't like the GOP candidates on your ballot. Or are you really a Democrat, and want us to not vote GOP?

[malkusm]

Welcome to the forums!

Unfortunately, I'm not sure that there are a lot of great candidates in Iowa. The only candidate that the Republican Liberty Caucus has endorsed in Iowa is Will Johnson, running for Congress in District 1.

There are plenty of members from Iowa....Bruno is a prominent member who comes to mind. Maybe they can give you a little more guidance :)

[LibertyEagle]

Welcome to the forums. :)

[amy31416]

Vote 3rd party when there's nobody good. At least it sends a teeny-tiny message.

[Ekrub]

I've been having issues with who to vote for in washington state. (namely Murray-Rossi) I understand the not voting for the lesser of two evils thing, but I don't know if 6 more for Murray is something I'm willing to let happen. On top of that, you can only vote for top 2 in the primary or a write in. No third parties are listed on washington states ballot.

[Dr.3D]

Well, when all else fails and none of the above options are available, just make sure Congress and the Senate are of the opposite party as the Dem or Repub president in office so it slows them down a bit. :D

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

OP you should know only one voice is allowed to be heard in this thread. Anyone who has any evidence as to why one should not-vote, and should take alternate paths and means to achieve their ends will not be tolerated. Just a warning to show you the clear bias. Ciao.

PS: You are really sticking it to the Establishment --- by voting for them? Lollllers

[malkusm]

I've been having issues with who to vote for in washington state. (namely Murray-Rossi) I understand the not voting for the lesser of two evils thing, but I don't know if 6 more for Murray is something I'm willing to let happen. On top of that, you can only vote for top 2 in the primary or a write in. No third parties are listed on washington states ballot.

Your one vote won't decide the election. If I were in Washington, I wouldn't be voting for Rossi.

[RonPaulCult]

You need to discover the joy of third party voting. Find out which candidates will be on the ballot and go each candidate's website - including the third party candidates. Read about who they are and what they want to do and then vote for the one that represents YOU the best.

I voted in California by mail a few days ago and I followed my own advice. I voted for 2 republicans and about 20 libertarians and maybe one or two democrats.

[ARealConservative]

OP you should know only one voice is allowed to be heard in this thread. Anyone who has any evidence as to why one should not-vote, and should take alternate paths and means to achieve their ends will not be tolerated. Just a warning to show you the clear bias. Ciao.

PS: You are really sticking it to the Establishment --- by voting for them? Lollllers

same applies to those of you that sit at home.

you really have them shaking in their boots

Lolllers

[JohnEngland]

I'd vote because in most of the world you either:

1) Can't vote at all (such as in China)

2) Have limited voting power (such as in Britain, where the people cannot vote for their second legislative branch etc)

3) Your vote is ignored (such as in the European Union, where elections take place but only count if the correct result is chosen - in Ireland's case, the people voted against the EU Constitution, only for the EU to disregard that election result and gave them a "second chance" to make the correct choice a year later)

As Americans, you should be grateful for the freedom and opportunity to vote for your legislators.

Daniel Hannan makes the interesting point that it seems many Americans take for granted the country they've been given. For all it's problems, America still has the best system of government out there.

[malkusm]

OP you should know only one voice is allowed to be heard in this thread. Anyone who has any evidence as to why one should not-vote, and should take alternate paths and means to achieve their ends will not be tolerated. Just a warning to show you the clear bias. Ciao.

Hint: It's not what you say, but how obnoxiously you say it.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

same applies to those of you that sit at home.

you really have them shaking in their boots

Lolllers

I am sure I am a bigger thorn in their side by not complying with their fiat edicts, than those who are obedient to their every whims. (And for the record I would rather not have an expose on myself on RPF noting all the laws I actively do not follow)

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Hint: It's not what you say, but how obnoxiously you say it.

Perhaps. I will take your suggestion to mind. I just thought I would let the OP know why it would be that only one side would be heard.

[malkusm]

Perhaps. I will take your suggestion to mind. I just thought I would let the OP know why it would be that only one side would be heard.

Understandable, but what you believe the reason is, is not the reason. It has more to do with the mission statement of the forum than it does with members looking down on your philosophical point of view.

For the most part, I think things run pretty smoothly around here because we live and let live, and if it ever descends into a heated exchange, mods tend to move it to Philosophy/Hot Topics not as a slap to the members who disagree, but rather to keep indexed and grassroots-oriented forums free of debate that, in the long run, only fracture us.

Anyway, I think we've both been over our respective positions ad nauseum, and I don't want to continue the discussion in this thread, so I'll say no more. :p

[Baptist]

Interesting post from a new user the day before an election...

We will all be voting. You should vote too. Vote all Libertarian if you don't like the GOP candidates on your ballot. Or are you really a Democrat, and want us to not vote GOP?


Speak for yourself. I am not voting tomorrow. I don't vote for the lesser of evils (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=242633&highlight=longer+registered+vote).

[Ekrub]

Your one vote won't decide the election. If I were in Washington, I wouldn't be voting for Rossi.

He did a good job of not raising taxes and balancing the washington state budget. I'm not keen on his foreign policy by any means, but he is a slight improvement over Murray. I don't have a third party to vote for, and the only other option I have is write-in (which I don't think is even counted if I voted for Clint Didier)

I don't want to vote for him, especially because of his unwillingness to sign Didier's pledge. But I just get nervous about 6 more years of Patty Murray.

And my one vote won't be the deciding vote, I know. But Rossi-Gregoire (for governor) in 2004 was decided by right around 200 votes. '08 was a bigger margin, but this race is shaping up to be very close as well.

[Liberty Rebellion]

OP - I vote 3rd party and there are a number of tax issues and Constitutional amendments for me to vote on. I always vote against the tax increases and bond issuance and expansion of .gov

I I'm sure there must be some statewide and local issues on the ballot trying to expand the power of the state. Kick sand in their eye - even if it is just a tiny spec ;)

[klamath]

OP you should know only one voice is allowed to be heard in this thread. Anyone who has any evidence as to why one should not-vote, and should take alternate paths and means to achieve their ends will not be tolerated. Just a warning to show you the clear bias. Ciao.

PS: You are really sticking it to the Establishment --- by voting for them? Lollllers

You should know that Anarchists have no respect ror private property. Gives you an idea what your private property would be worth if they ever get their way:rolleyes:

[Slutter McGee]

I see absolutely no problem with voting the lesser of two evils if such a vote might enhance liberty.

Voting for Republicans throws a wrench in the Obama Agenda. As such, the lesser of two evils might ease the speed at which our liberties are being destroyed.

Now, if we had a Republican Congress and President, voting the lesser of two evils, assuming it is a Republican, is in no way beneficial to liberty.

Ultimately vote how you feel, or don't vote at all. But try and understand why many of us do, at times, feel fine voting for the lesser of two evils.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[oyarde]

I've been having issues with who to vote for in washington state. (namely Murray-Rossi) I understand the not voting for the lesser of two evils thing, but I don't know if 6 more for Murray is something I'm willing to let happen. On top of that, you can only vote for top 2 in the primary or a write in. No third parties are listed on washington states ballot.

Ahhg , say no to 6 more for murray .

[Imperial]

In Iowa the LP gubernatorial candidate, Eric Cooper, needs 2% of the vote to get ballot access for the Libertarians.

[oyarde]

In Iowa the LP gubernatorial candidate, Eric Cooper, needs 2% of the vote to get ballot access for the Libertarians.

Ballot access would be good .

[LibertyMage]

This question can be much more effectively answered by people in your state that are already organizing in our direction. We are going to take seats tomorrow in the Maryland state legislature and few on this forum could tell you who our candidates are. You need to be part of your local network of liberty minded people. If there isn't one, start one. You can start here:

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

[Dr.3D]

Emmm.... one post by the OP and he is gone.... and this thread grew to two pages?

[TNforPaul45]

Hawkeye, welcome to the forums! Glad to have you here.

Voting third party all the way down the ticket is a great way to go home with a clear conscious afterwards. It is fantastic that you have seen that the Tea Party is nothing more than the GOP with a mask on. Congrats to you!

Even though your 1 third-party will feel really alone, there are lots more of them. Every additional vote for third party members helps to eek us towards true liberation from the Federalists (Dems and Republicans).

Welcome to the Revolution!

[Brian4Liberty]

Speak for yourself. I am not voting tomorrow. I don't vote for the lesser of evils (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=242633&highlight=longer+registered+vote).

Nobody is forcing anyone to vote for the lesser of two evils. Is Libertarian too evil for you?

[heavenlyboy34]

I see absolutely no problem with voting the lesser of two evils if such a vote might enhance liberty.

Voting for Republicans throws a wrench in the Obama Agenda. As such, the lesser of two evils might ease the speed at which our liberties are being destroyed.

Now, if we had a Republican Congress and President, voting the lesser of two evils, assuming it is a Republican, is in no way beneficial to liberty.

Ultimately vote how you feel, or don't vote at all. But try and understand why many of us do, at times, feel fine voting for the lesser of two evils.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

Just write in imaginary candidates, if you feel you must vote. Wonder Woman for Senate! :D;)

[oyarde]

The reality is that everyone should vote . Most people would be able to find some candidates to support if they did the homework , and if not , there may be other things on the ballot that need voters with common sense . These almost always deal with the govt. digging deeper in our pockets . Not voting , in essence , encourages more theft through these initiatives .

[heavenlyboy34]

same applies to those of you that sit at home.

you really have them shaking in their boots

Lolllers

If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal. ;) I don't care if they "shake in their boots". (sociopaths-that is, politicians-aren't seriously intimidated by voters) I refuse to recognize their legitimacy. I'm sure you and your righteous marking pen has them shaking too. They must be up late at nights scared of you. :rolleyes:
YouTube - George Carlin Doesn't vote (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk&feature=player_embedded#%21)
(http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=George+Carlin+and+voting&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz35)

[RonPaulHawkeye]

I see absolutely no problem with voting the lesser of two evils if such a vote might enhance liberty.

Voting for Republicans throws a wrench in the Obama Agenda. As such, the lesser of two evils might ease the speed at which our liberties are being destroyed.

Now, if we had a Republican Congress and President, voting the lesser of two evils, assuming it is a Republican, is in no way beneficial to liberty.

Ultimately vote how you feel, or don't vote at all. But try and understand why many of us do, at times, feel fine voting for the lesser of two evils.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

Thank You all, this made so much sense.

I just voted with my wife and we went straight Republican, balance is good.

[RonPaulHawkeye]

BTW, We are glad we went to vote, there wore some YES/NO votes for some tax increases on the ballot and the two casinos to continue to operate.

[t0rnado]

I'm not voting either, but that's because I'm in the People's Republic of New Jersey, where we don't have two different candidates. There aren't even any Libertarians on the ballot I could vote for in my heavily Democratic district.

[libertybrewcity]

There are some ballot measures to vote for in Iowa, one of which is a ConCon measure.

http://ballotpedia.com/wiki/index.php/Iowa_2010_ballot_measures