Very powerful talk by Naomi Wolf

[FrankRep]

Talk by Naomi Wolf - The End of America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

[Mattsa]

Talk by Naomi Wolf - The End of America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

This is a brilliant speech

I recommend everyone on the forum listens to this

[johngr]

Wolf played an active role in Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election bid on female issues.

Ditto for Al Gore's 2000 campaign.

"The end of America" is an odd title for someone who actively participated in its deconstruction.

She is a shill. Wants us to think, "it's all the Republicans' fault and Hillary will fix it." She should STFU

[Mattsa]

Wolf played an active role in Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election bid on female issues.

Ditto for Al Gore's 2000 campaign.

"The end of America" is an odd title for someone who actively participated in its deconstruction.

She is a shill. Wants us to think, "it's all the Republicans' fault and Hillary will fix it." She should STFU

I think thats a pretty harsh conclusion to come to frankly.

She's compared the Bush administration with fascism. That isn't the language of a shill, even if she has democratic leanings

[murrayrothbard]

The US government has been trending towards total fascism for FAR longer than Bush has been office...;:rolleyes:

[FrankRep]

Wolf played an active role in Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election bid on female issues.

Ditto for Al Gore's 2000 campaign.

"The end of America" is an odd title for someone who actively participated in its deconstruction.

She is a shill. Wants us to think, "it's all the Republicans' fault and Hillary will fix it." She should STFU

Looks like she has learned a few things since them. So what?

[johngr]

oops, duplicate.

[davidkachel]

Very powerful and apparently sincere, but she hasn't quite figured it all out yet. She still thinks the Republicans are the bad guys while the Democrats are the good guys. She has yet to realize they are two sides of the same counterfeit coin. I think she'll get there, but possibly too late. Although, how anyone can listen to Hillary for more than two minutes and not see pure evil is beyond my understanding.

[johngr]

Clinton presided over an unprecedented expansion of the Federal police state, not to mention the incineration of the children Waco compound and the Randy Weaver seige, not to mention this psyop,
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:I9pynmCrhse0KM:www.athousandandone.co m/photos/0/448a07d7cb24f_s.jpg

none of which she bothers to mention in her talk. Clinton's initiatives with federal grants to local police departments went a long way toward militarizing the police tactically, equipment-wise and culturally.

Her ilk have no problem with police state tactics so long as the targets are "right wing extremists". She would have to repudiate Clintons' contribution to the police state and come out with a strong statement against Hillary Clinton as well as the Democrats' acquiescence to the current situation before I would begin to see her as anything other than a calculating politician.

Clinton was the good cop; Bush is the bad cop. They work for the same police agency. People like Naomi Wolf want us to forget about that.

[robatsu]

She's out of the totalitarian left, which due to the goodness of its heart, deserves complete control of others unlike the evil right wing fascists. Left totalitarians and corporate fascists have always been mortal enemies, despite the fact they both love dictatorship.

That doesn't detract from the fact that we have similar enemies as does she and she is a darn good speaker and writer.

[Cunningham]

She might be a shill but it doesn't change the fact that it's a pretty good video. Occasionally shills slip up and say the truth.

[wsc321]

Before you blast her, be sure you've read this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/finally-action-ron-pau_b_69042.html

[Original_Intent]

Before you blast her, be sure you've read this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/finally-action-ron-pau_b_69042.html

I loved her Youtube, but due to posts about her in this thread I was not fully behind her.

This link sold me - she may not be an RP supporter but she is on our side.

[davidkachel]

Anybody have an email address for her?

[johngr]

Before you blast her, be sure you've read this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/finally-action-ron-pau_b_69042.html


She would have to repudiate Clintons' contribution to the police state and come out with a strong statement against Hillary Clinton as well as the Democrats' acquiescence to the current situation before I would begin to see her as anything other than a calculating politician.

Doesn't change anything for me (see above quote). If anything, I see that piece as an attempt to co-opt Dr. Paul's stance and support.

[Mattsa]

I loved her Youtube, but due to posts about her in this thread I was not fully behind her.

This link sold me - she may not be an RP supporter but she is on our side.

I think so too

She spoke with real conviction in that video

The MOST important thing is to get Bush out of the White House.

[johngr]

I figured out what's going on here now. This is the same thing as Dr. Paul's "support" from the ersatz White Nationalists at Steinfront. She wants to strongly associate such views with Hitlery KKKlinton without Joseph Stalin's evil twin sister actually having to articulate them.

[Mattsa]

I figured out what's going on here now. This is the same thing as Dr. Paul's "support" from the ersatz White Nationalists at Steinfront. She wants to strongly associate such views with Hitlery KKKlinton without Joseph Stalin's evil twin sister actually having to articulate them.

Oh dear!

[johngr]

A white supremacist would not oppose killing inferior brown people in Iraq. A national socialist would not be in favor of dismantling the entitlement system. They usually back some racially pure fringe candidate who has no chance of winning. This year they back Ron Paul?? Tancredo wants to continue and expand the war against brown people in the Middle East and deport brown people from the US and have a complete moratorium on immigration to the US -- a much sterner immigration position than Ron Paul's -- and no major White Supremacist group endorses him??? WTF, over?

The so-called white supremacist support of Ron Paul is bogus, imo. It is an example of poisoning the well.

It looks to me like Naomi Wolf's opposition to the police state many of whose underpinnings we laid long before Bush II and her strict left/right rhetoric and most tellingly her continued support of the Clinton axis of the Bush-Clinton crime family read together tells me that something analogous is going on here. It gives Hillary cover for not having to make any statements regarding the national security big brother police state that legislation (requiring congress' complicity) has enabled. When Hillary tightens instead of loosening the noose, she can plausibly say, well we need to be able to do that because of ___________ (fill in your boogeyman) and I never made any promises regarding that anyway, but at the same time take advantage of the support that Naomi Wolf's position and implication that Hillary endorses it will bring.

I'm surprized more people here don't see through this bullshit.

[Richandler]

She is very misguided in her message and I'm sure she heard a few lectures about how Bush was comparible to the evils of the past. She essentially is stealing a talking point for libertarians in general by point out all of the fascism in the United States. She, in an unpatriotic fashion simply points to an irresponsible alternative. He bias blinds her judgement and she probably has fallen victim to Democratic political rhetoric of talking about medical care for children and such. She isn't a friend to the campaign. She is an ally to the Democrats and ignorance. If anything she is terrible bad for the campaign because she preaches what we teach and points to the Democrats for the answer and not freedom.

[johngr]

She, in an unpatriotic fashion simply points to an irresponsible alternative. He bias blinds her judgement and she probably has fallen victim to Democratic political rhetoric of talking about medical care for children and such.

She's a political operative. She knows exactly what she's doing, imo.

[Dan Garthwaite]

I just suggested to the powers that be that Naomi be contacted to speak at the next Free State Project Liberty Forum.

http://freestateproject.org/libertyforum/