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[JoshLowry]

Join the chat or post a play by play with commentary in here!

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[torchbearer]

political porn ftw!

[low preference guy]

i'm glad Josh made this thread. i was wondering if anyone would.

C-SPAN is streaming already.

[BamaFanNKy]

Both look a little scared.

[low preference guy]

it's the most peaceful background of all debates

[GunnyFreedom]

I really, really, really hate liar Jack

[paulitics]

lame start. The host made it sound like both sides have "stooped to an all new low" with personal attacks, when Rand has not engaged in that at all. It was all Conway.

Basically whitewashing Conway's tactics, and at the same time bringing Rand down to Conway's level.

[BamaFanNKy]

YouTube - John Mellencamp - Small Town (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CVLVaBECuc&ob=av2e)

[amisspelledword]

interesting tone so far...

[low preference guy]

my favorite teacher was.....

hahaha!!!!

[torchbearer]

next question-
what is your favorite color and why?

moderator opens up bitchin' about the candidates not talking about the issues, and thus goes on to ask a bunch of questions that have nothing to do with issues.

[paulitics]

This is silly, the host is trying to fill time by asking irrelevent stuff, and lulling the audience to sleep.

[Inkblots]

Aw, Conway actually wanted to do something productive with his life. It's a shame that teacher put him off of it!

[Inkblots]

He enjoyed the Da Vinci Code? Ew.

[Anti Federalist]

Can't watch.

Probably don't want to watch.

I hate these non debate "debates".

[Inkblots]

Can't watch.

Probably don't want to watch.

I hate these non debate "debates".

C'mon, man. What could be more important than the candidates favorite state parks?

[torchbearer]

Can't watch.

Probably don't want to watch.

I hate these non debate "debates".

save yourself the grief. i'm starting to get a migraine listening to the "new kind of democrat" conman.

[GunnyFreedom]

Temporary. Incentives. Don't. Work.

[Anti Federalist]

next question-
what is your favorite color and why?

moderator opens up bitchin' about the candidates not talking about the issues, and thus goes on to ask a bunch of questions that have nothing to do with issues.

YouTube - Monty Python and the Holy Grail : 3 Questions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWS8Mg-JWSg)

[Anti Federalist]

C'mon, man. What could be more important than the candidates favorite state parks?

Tell me they didn't really ask that???

[GunnyFreedom]

Who keeps blowing in their microphone every time Rand starts making a point? JACK????

[Anti Federalist]

save yourself the grief. i'm starting to get a migraine listening to the "new kind of democrat" conman.

Ugh...

[BamaFanNKy]

Jack's going Crazy eyed.

[Kotin]

Torch is right.. conway is almost unbearable.

[Wyurm]

Torch is right.. conway is almost unbearable.

He's boring and speaks only in generalities. It's very unbearable.

[low preference guy]

1/4 of the debate is over.

It's going well so far.

[GunnyFreedom]

NICE punch right before the break Rand! "Government run amok" that'll sell :D

[sailingaway]

lame start. The host made it sound like both sides have "stooped to an all new low" with personal attacks, when Rand has not engaged in that at all. It was all Conway.

Basically whitewashing Conway's tactics, and at the same time bringing Rand down to Conway's level.

Media has been doing that everywhere. Rand did NOTHING but they are being all 'you two need to stop it' as if it weren't pure Conway slime.

[Fozz]

Good thing they are finally having a calm discussion on the issues.

[Inkblots]

Tell me they didn't really ask that???

I'm not kidding - they actually asked that.

[sailingaway]

Good thing they are finally having a calm discussion on the issues.

I don't really want to come in in the middle and leave again. I'll wait until it is up on youtube and watch the whole thing.

[GunnyFreedom]

You don't "deserve" a house if you can't make the payments. :rolleyes:

[GunnyFreedom]

The question about preventing nonpaying people from getting kicked out of their home was a grenade they tried to toss in Rand's lap. Are they going to toss a grenade in Jack's lap before this is over?

[Fozz]

Oh wow......war and foreign policy.

[low preference guy]

What's your position on foreign policy?

Jack Conway's first line: The United States* has to be engaged in the world.

(*) meaning the government

[Fozz]

Now Conway is going neocon.

[sluggo]

Jack Conway is what you get when Bill Clinton fucks John Edwards.

[sailingaway]

What's your position on foreign policy?

Jack Conway's first line: The United States* has to be engaged in the world.

(*) meaning the government

Of course the US has to be engaged in the world. Who on earth says we don't?

[Inkblots]

Conway's fear-mongering about Iran now.

[GunnyFreedom]

This moderator is slanted, trying to tie Rand down on a position that will either alienate his base or turn off his undecideds

[GunnyFreedom]

Caller is a Dem operative -- spoke too technically.

[GunnyFreedom]

I've used that, "a spending problem not a revenue problem" and supporters have used that same line to describe me. :D

[Inkblots]

Gee, what a great caller.

[Fozz]

Oh shit.........Civil Rights Act talk :mad:

[Lord Xar]

Does anybody - ala matt collins etc.. have a cell to the Paul campaign? Perhaps as you are watching this debate, you can text into them (or call) and let them know how it is playing out

From what you all are writing, seems Conway is trying to turn some Repubs around to make up for the independents lost to Paul.

Paul better not get pussified up there!

[low preference guy]

Of course the US has to be engaged in the world. Who on earth says we don't?

are you being sarcastic?

the united states government shouldn't be engaged in the world. that means they influence who should be president and create blowback.

and the united states as a nation is not involved. only individuals and businesses are involved in foreign countries. the nation as a whole is never engaged unless you're talking about the government.

[Fozz]

The mudslinging is back :mad:

[Agorism]

Debate Moderator did a Civil Rights Acts attack?

[paulitics]

Paul needs to hit back hard right now.

[low preference guy]

damn. hard question. is social security a ponzi scheme?

[GunnyFreedom]

Guessing that Jack and the moderator were all 'wink wink nod nod' before the debate.

[brandon]

God this is boring. I can't wait to hear his dad debate again.

I guess he is doing good as far as sounding "electable" goes though.

[Inkblots]

Wow, Jack Conway really just promised free money for everyone. How kind of him.

[paulitics]

Rand needs to clarify that he isn't for debuctibles on current retirees

[low preference guy]

I think Rand is doing well

[brandon]

Rand should probably stop talking about the tea party so much and stop talking about being a conservative. Most politicians usually avoid these terms in the general for a good reason.

[GunnyFreedom]

Conway clones Obumber's talking points forward and reverse.

[low preference guy]

Rand should probably stop talking about the tea party so much and stop talking about being a conservative. Most politicians usually avoid these terms in the general for a good reason.

hahahhaha!!!

brandon giving political advice.

+rep

(not that he isn't good, just that it's unusual and unexpected)

[GunnyFreedom]

where is the "truth-o-meter" in all this anyway? Conway can't tell the truth to save his life, apparently.

[Magsec]

Well it's somewhat civil unlike the other debates.

[paulitics]

Caller is a Dem operative -- spoke too technically.

It was so staged.
"let's go to this random caller"

"Rand, when did you stop beating your wife, and do you still eat babies?"

And notice there hasn't been another caller since.

[low preference guy]

does conway agree with the individual mandate?

he does, right? Rand should ask him

[GunnyFreedom]

Well it's somewhat civil unlike the other debates.

it's civil in tone, but Conway can't open his yap without lying. Lies are not civil no matter how kindly they are stated.

[Inkblots]

I think Rand is doing well

I agree. He's really keeping his cool, and keeps bringing things back to the deficit.

[brandon]

Jack seems to be in a bit over his head.

[GunnyFreedom]

Jack seems to be in a bit over his head.

How can you tell when he has no integrity?

[low preference guy]

Jack: In Kentucky, you don't attack a man's dog or horse.
Rand: But you can attack his religion. That's ok, right?

[militant]

There's not as much 'mudslinging' but definitely some lively back and forth that Rand is calmly and entertainingly winning.

[Inkblots]

"But you can attack a man's religion, right?"

Ha, way to go, Rand!

[torchbearer]

ban, Rand knocks that out of the park.

[low preference guy]

abortion now.

caller: i'd like to know both candidates' views on abortion.

Rand: I'm 100% pro-life.
Conway: I'll come to the libertarian side on that. Government shouldn't tell a woman what to do.

[Fozz]

Abortion!

[torchbearer]

abortion now.

bwahahahaha!

[GunnyFreedom]

If the majority of people are pro-Paul, then why are all the callers pro-Conway?

[Fozz]

lol @ Conway calling his abortion view the "libertarian view".

[brandon]

lol jack conway the abortion libertarian. lmao

[axiomata]

Conway is a libertarian on abortion. Lolz.

[low preference guy]

lol jack conway the abortion libertarian. lmao

it's actually hilarious. someone should stick the label libertarian to Jack using that sound bite.

[BamaFanNKy]

If the majority of people are pro-Paul, then why are all the callers pro-Conway?

That was 1-1. Not over on one side.

[Inkblots]

I like the way every question about a government program lists everything they think is good about it, and then asks the candidates position on it. Yeah, that's not biased at all.

[economics102]

that was hilarious how Conway tried to cram his talking point into the end of that exchange, "i don't question your faith, i question your actions!"

[paulitics]

Best moment so far is when Rand told Jack he is too simplistic to have an intelligent debate.

[GunnyFreedom]

That was 1-1. Not over on one side.

Sounded to me like she was trying to accuse Paul of lying about Conway's position on abortion.

[torchbearer]

Best moment so far is when Rand told Jack he is too simplistic to have an intelligent debate.

yes, ftw.
"are you talking down to me?"

uh yeah.

[GunnyFreedom]

love the "kill no child left behind" reference

[Inkblots]

Of course Conway would never admit that some people drop out because they don't need or aren't qualified for a bachelor's degree.

Too many people in this country go to college as it is.

[GunnyFreedom]

Jack Liar Conway :D

[low preference guy]

Rand quoted blogger Jake Payne on saying Conway is against Cap and Trade.

[paulitics]

Sounded to me like she was trying to accuse Paul of lying about Conway's position on abortion.

She was. She insinuated that Rand was lying by insinuating that Jack was pro abortion. At least she admits that she met with Jack before.

[unconsious767]

yes, ftw.
"are you talking down to me?"

uh yeah.

That was total ownage. I need to see that part again :p

[GunnyFreedom]

Conway: "I've always been against Cap & Trade" :rolleyes:

[Inkblots]

I guess it would be pretty politically unpopular for Rand to come out and say "no, we shouldn't be distorting the education market by subsidizing the ever-increasing costs and thereby causing the enormous inflation of tuition fees", but darn that would be great.

[paulitics]

Didn't Conway fill out some dailykos questionaire stating he was for cap and trade?

[Inkblots]

Great, they try to force a soundbite answer on the most difficult problem facing the nation today.

[Inkblots]

Hey, Jack, I'm not hearing an answer. 'Waste and fraud' isn't going to close the 50 trillion dollar funding gap.

[low preference guy]

the camera didn't show whether they shook hands!

phew!

[Fozz]

Was there a handshake at any point during the debate?

[ronaldo23]

I wonder if Rand had requested in advance that they cut the camera to the moderator right after the last question, because he didn't want to shake Conway's hand...

[low preference guy]

From twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/cattleprod/status/28743409182):


Jacob Payne
@DrRandPaul is right. @ConwayForKY has flip-flopped on cap & trade. I've reported this for MONTHS. @ConwayForKY is sadly lying.

[GunnyFreedom]

Jack Conway "I want smaller less intrusive government by doubling the size of every department and tripling spending" :rolleyes:

[Fozz]

I guess Aqua Buddha has been set aside.

[Inkblots]

I think Rand won the debate, ever so slightly, because Conway kept repeating talking points that Rand had already debunked.

Great googly-moogly! If even Fozz thinks Rand won, it was a complete blow-out!

[sailingaway]

This moderator is slanted, trying to tie Rand down on a position that will either alienate his base or turn off his undecideds

Definitely. He is a progressive and wants publicly funded TV stations, amongst other things.

[sailingaway]

are you being sarcastic?

the united states government shouldn't be engaged in the world. that means they influence who should be president and create blowback.

and the united states as a nation is not involved. only individuals and businesses are involved in foreign countries. the nation as a whole is never engaged unless you're talking about the government.

I'm not sarcastic. That is what diplomats are for.

[low preference guy]

I'm not sarcastic. That is what diplomats are for.

but that's obvious. explicitly saying the u.s. has to be engaged in the world sounds like neo-con lingo to me.

[Brett85]

are you being sarcastic?

the united states government shouldn't be engaged in the world. that means they influence who should be president and create blowback.

and the united states as a nation is not involved. only individuals and businesses are involved in foreign countries. the nation as a whole is never engaged unless you're talking about the government.

The government should be involved in diplomacy with other countries, and the government should open up free trade with other countries. That's what sets non interventionalists apart from isolationists.

[torchbearer]

but that's obvious. explicitly saying the u.s. has to be engaged in the world sound like neo-con lingo to me.

even ron paul thinks we should trade with other countries and be friends with them. after all, no one wants to shoot their customer.

[Brett85]

This was by far the best debate yet. They actually had a civil discussion where they actually discussed the issues. The moderator did a good job.

[Brett85]

Sounded to me like she was trying to accuse Paul of lying about Conway's position on abortion.

She actually said that she saw a commercial from Rand where he said that Jack supported abortion. Has anybody seen that commercial?

[Jeremy Tyler]

She actually said that she saw a commercial from Rand where he said that Jack supported abortion. Has anybody seen that commercial?

I live here in Louisville and have not seen it one time.

[ronaldo23]

She actually said that she saw a commercial from Rand where he said that Jack supported abortion. Has anybody seen that commercial?

Maybe she thought that, since Paul specifically mentions himself as a pro-life christian, that this implies that his opponent is not pro-life.

[Brett85]

Maybe she thought that, since Paul specifically mentions himself as a pro-life christian, that this implies that his opponent is not pro-life.

Maybe it's a brand new TV commercial or perhaps a radio ad.

[sailingaway]

but that's obvious. explicitly saying the u.s. has to be engaged in the world sounds like neo-con lingo to me.

The point I was trying to make with irony is that 'engaging in the world' isn't the issue, policing the world is the issue.

They make it sound like the only kids on the playground who are 'engaging' are the bullies.

[sailingaway]

Maybe she thought that, since Paul specifically mentions himself as a pro-life christian, that this implies that his opponent is not pro-life.

And in fact his opponent is NOT prolife and has said so 'it should be rare, but in the end it should be legal'.

[sailingaway]

OK, it sounds like it was really stacked in that ONLY Rand got grilled, at least if Conway got called on any of his BS you didn't report it. I'll have to watch it later.

[brandon]

nah it was a fair debate

[obijuan]

OK, it sounds like it was really stacked in that ONLY Rand got grilled, at least if Conway got called on any of his BS you didn't report it. I'll have to watch it later.

While I do think Rand may have had tougher questions asked, he gave better answers to the tough questions than Conway did to any questions at all. Rand came across as thoughtful and serious, and also absolutely owned Conway a couple times with back and forth banter.

[Brett85]

OK, it sounds like it was really stacked in that ONLY Rand got grilled, at least if Conway got called on any of his BS you didn't report it. I'll have to watch it later.

Conway got a tough question from the woman who asked about abortion. But I do think that the person who asked Rand that question should've been screened and not allowed to ask such a biased question. Rand's initial response to that question was awesome though. He said something to the effect of "I think that he's a rather famous liberal blogger."

[Brett85]

While I do think Rand may have had tougher questions asked, he gave better answers to the tough questions than Conway did to any questions at all. Rand came across as thoughtful and serious, and also absolutely owned Conway a couple times with back and forth banter.

I agree. But unfortunately, I imagine that very few Kentuckians actually watched this debate.

[skyorbit]

abortion now.

caller: i'd like to know both candidates' views on abortion.

Rand: I'm 100% pro-life.
Conway: I'll come to the libertarian side on that. Government shouldn't tell a woman what to do.

That's insain. Wasn't Conway spending all this time attacking Rand for being a libertarian? That's what the whole drug issue was.

Tracy

[Brett85]

That's insain. Wasn't Conway spending all this time attacking Rand for being a libertarian? That's what the whole drug issue was.

Tracy

Lol. Rand should've mentioned that in the debate after Conway said that. He should run a commercial with that soundbite in it. Kentuckians don't like crazy "libertarians."