View Full Version : Morning Joe on MSNBC: "Ron Paul is like Bobby Kennedy..."
Starks
10-19-2007, 06:41 AM
Not exactly the best analogy... But hey, free publicity.
Starks
10-19-2007, 06:57 AM
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Where's the morning crowd today?
Sematary
10-19-2007, 06:59 AM
wheres the video?
Starks
10-19-2007, 07:00 AM
wheres the video?
This was literally 15 minutes ago.
Ron Paul Fan
10-19-2007, 07:02 AM
Did he just say this out of the blue and how did they get on the topic of Ron Paul? Also, where's the video?
Adamsa
10-19-2007, 07:04 AM
Not exactly the best analogy... But hey, free publicity.
Thats probably a compliment.
Starks
10-19-2007, 07:05 AM
Did he just say this out of the blue and how did they get on the topic of Ron Paul? Also, where's the video?
I wasn't really paying attention...
m72mc
10-19-2007, 07:12 AM
bobby was talking about peace, love and understanding
paul talks about that too...maybe thats why his comparison ?
ACJohn
10-19-2007, 07:17 AM
It was a quick quip by the Author of a new Bobby K book, what he said ( my interpretation) was that RP like Bobby has/had the balls to take positions that are not based on polls
Ron Paul Fan
10-19-2007, 07:23 AM
Thanks John. That makes a little more sense. I was starting to doubt whether this even happened. The guy had no video and wasn't even paying attention. At least you were though otherwise we may have never gotten to the bottom of this.
MsDoodahs
10-19-2007, 07:36 AM
It was a quick quip by the Author of a new Bobby K book, what he said ( my interpretation) was that RP like Bobby has/had the balls to take positions that are not based on polls
The first candidate that was compared to Bobby K was Obama, that's when I changed channels back to Bloomers, so I missed the mention of RP.
When you are discussing which current candidate speaks truth to power, there ain't but one, and that one is RP.
damijin
10-19-2007, 07:39 AM
I watched the entire segment.
Joe asked if he saw Bobby's qualities in any of todays candidates, the qualities implied were his authentic feel, lack of perfected speech (not seeming as perfect as his brother), and true convictions. Joe put Obama in the author's mouth before he was able to respond, so the author tackled that suggestion and said there were a lot of similarities between the two, but then he went on to speak very highly of Kucinich and ended it with something like "And on the GOP side, of course there's Ron Paul."
Not a huge endorsement. Joe's audience is small, and I'm pretty sure they all already know about Paul. But hey, name dropping is name dropping, can't complain when we're included in the conversation, eh?
kylejack
10-19-2007, 07:42 AM
bobby was talking about peace, love and understanding
paul talks about that too...maybe thats why his comparison ?
Young supporters, too. Let's hope there's not any Sirhan Sirhans running around.
apropos
10-19-2007, 07:55 AM
I think a better comparison to Bobby Kennedy would be Rudy. Personality-wise, Rudy is much closer to Bobby.
Ron Paul isn't an asshole, so the analogy is kind of flawed. He also wouldn't have Martin Luther King's phonelines tapped by the FBI.
It was probably meant as a compliment, because most people buy into the Kennedy image.
ValidusCustodiae
10-19-2007, 08:03 AM
I think he means in terms of popularity and grassroots support. If it wasn't for the CIA mind-controlled Sirhan Sirhan's alleged murder of RFK he would have probably become President.
kylejack
10-19-2007, 08:06 AM
I think a better comparison to Bobby Kennedy would be Rudy. Personality-wise, Rudy is much closer to Bobby.
Former prosecutor, little substantive political experience...good point. Bobby Kennedy wasn't a demagogue like this guy, though.
damijin
10-19-2007, 08:12 AM
It was in reference to who was most like certain aspects of Bobby's candidacy, not specific policies, history, or the entire picture. It's a pro-bobby book, after all.
JosephTheLibertarian
10-19-2007, 08:17 AM
Not exactly the best analogy... But hey, free publicity.
And why was that a bad analogy? I'm not for certain....but wasn't Bobby pretty much a big government liberal? Limousine liberal? Anyone? lol
Green Mountain Boy
10-19-2007, 08:26 AM
And why was that a bad analogy? I'm not for certain....but wasn't Bobby pretty much a big government liberal? Limousine liberal? Anyone? lol
Not entirely - check this out:
"Senator Robert Kennedy, for example, often spoke out on how the welfare system trapped people in a cycle of poverty and broke up families. Without a 'man of the house,' families were eligible for more assistance, so men and women who stayed together had an incentive to split up.
Welfare "destroyed self-respect and subjected the poor to a 'prying' middle-class welfare bureaucracy," Kennedy said.
Unlike the traditional "top down from Washington" big government approach of the War on Poverty, RFK favored a "bottom-up from community" approach to creating jobs in poor communities. "
http://jimbuie.blogs.com/journal/poverty/index.html
JosephTheLibertarian
10-19-2007, 08:31 AM
Not entirely - check this out:
"Senator Robert Kennedy, for example, often spoke out on how the welfare system trapped people in a cycle of poverty and broke up families. Without a 'man of the house,' families were eligible for more assistance, so men and women who stayed together had an incentive to split up.
Welfare "destroyed self-respect and subjected the poor to a 'prying' middle-class welfare bureaucracy," Kennedy said.
Unlike the traditional "top down from Washington" big government approach of the War on Poverty, RFK favored a "bottom-up from community" approach to creating jobs in poor communities. "
http://jimbuie.blogs.com/journal/poverty/index.html
Sounds like rhetoric without any solutions. It's easy to say "let's take the bottom up approach" without coming up with any real solutions. I don't think he was a classical liberal lol Classical liberals would say something like "government subsidizes poverty. We help the poor by getting the government out of the way and by protecting personal liberties." Bobby sounded like some kinda communitarian up there.
quickmike
10-19-2007, 08:36 AM
It was in reference to who was most like certain aspects of Bobby's candidacy, not specific policies, history, or the entire picture. It's a pro-bobby book, after all.
Lets just hope thats where the similarities end, know what I mean?
Green Mountain Boy
10-19-2007, 08:36 AM
Sounds like rhetoric without any solutions. It's easy to say "let's take the bottom up approach" without coming up with any real solutions. I don't think he was a classical liberal lol Classical liberals would say something like "government subsidizes poverty. We help the poor by getting the government out of the way and by protecting personal liberties." Bobby sounded like some kinda communitarian up there.
Probably true. Even so, It's a good talking point to use with liberals. You can say "Bobby Kennedy spoke out against the welfare system."
JosephTheLibertarian
10-19-2007, 08:39 AM
Probably true. Even so, It's a good talking point to use with liberals. You can say "Bobby Kennedy spoke out against the welfare system."
yeah lol. That's gold.
ValidusCustodiae
10-19-2007, 11:05 AM
oops.... mispost... edited
KingTheoden
10-19-2007, 11:14 AM
Bobby Kennedy was definitely of the left, but compared to Nixon and Humphrey, Kennedy was least establishment of the three. Kennedy was also committed to ending the Vietnam War, unlike the others.
I think this is a compliment because Bobby Kennedy was very popular at the grassroots level (not so popular with the military industrial complex). Ron Paul is better because the philosophy he offers is consistent and appeals to more people as a result.
Gotta hand it to some of the MSNBC hosts for giving Ron Paul attention and kind words. Not least of whom Ms. Laura Ingraham! :D
Valene
10-19-2007, 12:10 PM
I think a better comparison to Bobby Kennedy would be Rudy. Personality-wise, Rudy is much closer to Bobby.
Ron Paul isn't an asshole, so the analogy is kind of flawed. He also wouldn't have Martin Luther King's phonelines tapped by the FBI.
It was probably meant as a compliment, because most people buy into the Kennedy image.
From the cradle the Kennedy children were raised to be public servants. Rudy is self serving and only talks to those people with open checkbooks. I'm distressed that you could even make any comparison of the two.
Please read RFK's Day of Affirmation Speech and tell me Rudy believes in the words written here.
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Speeches/RFK/Day+of+Affirmation+Address+News+Release.htm
kylejack
10-19-2007, 12:11 PM
From the cradle the Kennedy children were raised to be public servants. Rudy is self serving and only talks to those people with open checkbooks. I'm distressed that you could even make any comparison of the two.
Please read RFK's Day of Affirmation Speech and tell me Rudy believes in the words written here.
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Speeches/RFK/Day+of+Affirmation+Address+News+Release.htm
Yes, Joe Kennedy certainly served the public....alcohol. ;)
apropos
10-19-2007, 01:09 PM
From the cradle the Kennedy children were raised to be public servants. Rudy is self serving and only talks to those people with open checkbooks. I'm distressed that you could even make any comparison of the two.
Interestingly, this speech was criticized as a politically calculated move for Bobby's upcoming presidential run to lock up the black vote. In any case, Bobby's actions speak far louder than his rhetoric: the Hoover blackmail, the interesting association with Joseph McCarthy, the wiretapping, his roles in organizing assassinations in third-world countries, reported violence against restaurant staff, his ruthless personality.
The 'good Bobby' and 'bad Bobby' aren't new ideas. But he's no Ron Paul.
DeadheadForPaul
10-19-2007, 01:22 PM
Most people think of Bobby Kennedy in a positive light - ill take it as a compliment
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