Have You Considered That Thought That Both Parties Are Manipulating Us?

[hillbilly123069]

Sure Barry tripled the deficit in his short time. Sure Nancy scoffs at her Oath to the people, and sure, the democrats have pulled some serious crap recently ensuring that last nail in the coffin of their political careers.
BUT! Let's not forget that George is the man in that, along with a democrat congress, passed the patriot act, Rex 84, National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive, Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007, all of which, unconstitutional as they are, strip us of all our individual rights and say the gov can walk into our homes right now and take what they want when they want. None of which freedon lovin' Barry has acted on to correct. It just seems to me that we're being somewhat guided in our anger.

[JK/SEA]

Thats why i joined the Ron Paul Revolution...i took the red pill.

[MelissaWV]

Sure Barry tripled the deficit in his short time. Sure Nancy scoffs at her Oath to the people, and sure, the democrats have pulled some serious crap recently ensuring that last nail in the coffin of their political careers.
BUT! Let's not forget that George is the man in that, along with a democrat congress, passed the patriot act, Rex 84, National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive, Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007, all of which, unconstitutional as they are, strip us of all our individual rights and say the gov can walk into our homes right now and take what they want when they want. None of which freedon lovin' Barry has acted on to correct. It just seems to me that we're being somewhat guided in our anger.

I've been talking about it for years, and many have been talking about it before I was born.

There is a great advantage to a two-party system whose major candidates are blue-blooded or otherwise moneyed, and can be bought and sold and are entirely out of touch. If you're on the blue side, you demonize the red side. For your part, when you are in power you do as many evil deeds as possible to enrich yourself and enough of your constituents so that they'll still be around in some numbers and not flee to a third party. The red side wins the next election and returns the favor, while they also talk about how bad the blue side left things and how awful they are. People get fed up with red, and vote for blue. People get annoyed with blue, and vote for red.

We're just painting the same turds a different color and hoping they smell better.

[FrankRep]

Should You Run as a Republican, Democrat, or a Libertarian?


Listen to this excellent advice.


http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories/History/larrymcdonald.001.jpg (http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/world/270-kal-flight-007-remembered)
Ron Paul: "[Larry McDonald] was the most principled man in Congress."
- The Philadelphia Inquirer


Ron Paul on Congressman Larry McDonald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald), the President of the John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/).



Ron Paul went to Congressman Larry McDonald, a Democrat, for advice on running for Congress. McDonald said, "Run in the party you think you can WIN because political parties are irrelevant." This made Ron Paul become a Republican.


Ron Paul explains:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQQ--ju7Vxk

[pcosmar]

Have You Considered That Thought That Both Parties Are Manipulating Us?

Duh

Yeah, Pretty sure of it.

[johngr]

You're just now figuring that out?

[johngr]

Should You Run as a Republican, Democrat, or a Libertarian?


Listen to this excellent advice.


http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories/History/larrymcdonald.001.jpg (http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/world/270-kal-flight-007-remembered)
Ron Paul: "[Larry McDonald] was the most principled man in Congress."
- The Philadelphia Inquirer


Ron Paul on Congressman Larry McDonald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald), the President of the John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/).



Ron Paul went to Congressman Larry McDonald, a Democrat, for advice on running for Congress. McDonald said, "Run in the party you think you can WIN because political parties are irrelevant." This made Ron Paul become a Republican.


Ron Paul explains:
YouTube - Ron Paul on Larry McDonald (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQQ--ju7Vxk)

Frank,

Was he whacked in your opinion?

FWIW, I think his as well as Ron Brown's, JFK, Jr.'s, Jörg Haider's, Hale Boggs' Lech Kaczynski's and Paul Wellstone's "accidents" were anything but.

[FrankRep]

Frank,

Was he whacked in your opinion?

The Larry McDonald/Ron Paul strategy worked. Ron Paul is currently a Congressman in Texas.

[Travlyr]

"But now your Right-wing leaders embrace every socialist, every leftist with a 100% ADA voting record, every Sidney Hook and Paul Douglas and Thomas Dodd, just so long as they stand ready to incinerate the world rather than suffer one Communist to live." - Murray N. Rothbard

http://mises.org/mobile/daily.aspx?Id=3090

[Bruno]

Yes, for about the past 25 years.

[Imaginos]

There is no such thing as the two party system.
What we have is a political version of WWF Smackdown match.
Both of them are working for the same masters (Military Industrial Complex, Banking Cartel, Federal Reserve, AIPAC, and etc.).
Except Ron Paul and few others, almost all of them are de facto traitors.

[emazur]

The Larry McDonald/Ron Paul strategy worked. Ron Paul is currently a Congressman in Texas.

I think he was asking if McDonald was killed (whacked)

[TNforPaul45]

"Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties: 1. Those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. 2. Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe, although not the most wise depositary of the public interests. In every country these two parties exist, and in every one where they are free to think, speak, and write, they will declare themselves. Call them, therefore, Liberals and Serviles, Jacobins and Ultras, Whigs and Tories, Republicans and Federalists, Aristocrats and Democrats, or by whatever name you please, they are the same parties still and pursue the same object. The last one of Aristocrats and Democrats is the true one expressing the essence of all." --Thomas Jefferson to Henry Lee, 1824. ME 16:73

"Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object: the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers, the other by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove. We think that one side of this experiment has been long enough tried and proved not to promote the good of the many, and that the other has not been fairly and sufficiently tried. Our opponents think the reverse. With whichever opinion the body of the nation concurs, that must prevail." --Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Adams, 1804. ME 11:52


"Men have differed in opinion and been divided into parties by these opinions from the first origin of societies, and in all governments where they have been permitted freely to think and to speak. The same political parties which now agitate the U.S. have existed through all time. Whether the power of the people or that of the [aristocracy] should prevail were questions which kept the states of Greece and Rome in eternal convulsions, as they now schismatize every people whose minds and mouths are not shut up by the gag of a despot. And in fact the terms of Whig and Tory belong to natural as well as to civil history. They denote the temper and constitution of mind of different individuals." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:279



http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff0800.htm

[Sentient Void]

Hegelian Dialectic... hook, line and sinker.

[Dr.3D]

Have you ever considered that both parties are being manipulated by an unnamed and invisible third party?

[FrankRep]

Hegelian Dialectic... hook, line and sinker.

Is Ron Paul apart of the Hegelian Dialectic?

[hillbilly123069]

Have you ever considered that both parties are being manipulated by an unnamed and invisible third party?
Bildeburg Group! And maybe I should have asked have you considered both parties are manipulating us into the same goal?

[Dr.3D]

Bildeburg Group! And maybe I should have asked have you considered both parties are manipulating us into the same goal?

The goal of the controller is the goal of both parties. Of course both parties are going to do the same thing, but try to make it look like one is different from the other. It makes people believe they actually have a choice.

[Acala]

Sure Barry tripled the deficit in his short time. Sure Nancy scoffs at her Oath to the people, and sure, the democrats have pulled some serious crap recently ensuring that last nail in the coffin of their political careers.
BUT! Let's not forget that George is the man in that, along with a democrat congress, passed the patriot act, Rex 84, National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive, Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007, all of which, unconstitutional as they are, strip us of all our individual rights and say the gov can walk into our homes right now and take what they want when they want. None of which freedon lovin' Barry has acted on to correct. It just seems to me that we're being somewhat guided in our anger.

Now you've gone and ruined the puppet show for me!!!!!

[sevin]

Everyone here should become familiar with this quote by Carroll Quigley:


"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies."

[MelissaWV]

Everyone here should become familiar with this quote by Carroll Quigley:

Indeed. It's gotten so simple now, as the two parties are such silly caricatures of their former selves. We went Left as a country, and though the core things remained the same, much of the theft and speechifying was directed at social programs and "fairness". When we next go Right again, the core things will remain the same but much of the theft and speechifying will be directed at "security"/military and financial concerns.

[Pauls' Revere]

Have you ever considered that both parties are being manipulated by an unnamed and invisible third party?

The Federal Reserve Bank
The IMF
The World Bank
The UN

take your pick.

[jclay2]

The Federal Reserve Bank
The IMF
The World Bank
The UN

take your pick.

And just the general politicians in power. Every high level government official has one goal in mind, increase government and consequently their power.

[FrankRep]

The Federal Reserve Bank
The IMF
The World Bank
The UN

take your pick.

http://www.shopjbs.org/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/S/h/Shadows_of_Power_web.jpg (http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/shadows-of-power.html)

The Shadows of Power: The Council on Foreign Relations and the American Decline (http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/shadows-of-power.html)
- James Perloff

Does America have a hidden oligarchy? Is U.S. foreign policy run by a closed shop? What is the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations)? It began in 1921 as a front organization for J.P. Morgan and Company. By World War II it had acquired unrivaled influence on American foreign policy. Hundreds of U.S. government administrators and diplomats have been drawn from its ranks - regardless of which party has occupied the White House. But what does the Council on Foreign Relations stand for? Why do the major media avoid discussing it? What has been its impact on America's past - and what is it planning for the future? (2008, 272pp, pb)

[Dr.3D]

http://www.shopjbs.org/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/S/h/Shadows_of_Power_web.jpg (http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/shadows-of-power.html)

The Shadows of Power: The Council on Foreign Relations and the American Decline (http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/shadows-of-power.html)
- James Perloff

Does America have a hidden oligarchy? Is U.S. foreign policy run by a closed shop? What is the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations)? It began in 1921 as a front organization for J.P. Morgan and Company. By World War II it had acquired unrivaled influence on American foreign policy. Hundreds of U.S. government administrators and diplomats have been drawn from its ranks - regardless of which party has occupied the White House. But what does the Council on Foreign Relations stand for? Why do the major media avoid discussing it? What has been its impact on America's past - and what is it planning for the future? (2008, 272pp, pb)

Bingo.... and most of the main stream media is owned by that group, or members of that group.

[Original_Intent]

You're just now figuring that out?

With the warm welcome we give new arrivals, it is shocking, shocking that people, I mean sheeple are not waking up in droves! :D

[MN Patriot]

Here is the reason both parties are manipulating us:
WE ARE THEIR TAX SLAVES.
Neither party suggests eliminating the income tax, or getting rid of the IRS. Sure a few Republican talk about it during elections to get votes from libertarians, but beyond that, Republicans treat us as their perpetual source of funds, just like the Democrats do.
This is why I continue to be skeptical of the the Tea Party revolution. Nobody in the "extremists" talk about getting rid of the income tax and freeing the tax slaves.
This is why I continue to believe we need a true third party to emerge and either force the Republicans to become libertarians, or else put the Republicans out of business.
Even though we may have a few Tea Party members of Congress in a couple of months, we will still be their tax slaves, and nothing of substance will change.

[Esor]

I didn't read any responses to this thread yet. Infact, I haven't even read the initial post. This is my new technique. I am going to reply to threads based solely on the title.


Have You Considered That Thought That Both Parties Are Manipulating Us?

Yes, that is politics.

[Marenco]

Very much so.


"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen. It seizes in its long and powerful tentacles our executive officers, our legislative bodies, our schools, our courts, our newspapers, and every agency created for the public protection. At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties, write political platforms, make catspaws of party leaders, use the leading men of private organizations, and resort to every device to place in nomination for high public office only such candidates as will be amenable to the dictates of corrupt big business. These international bankers and Rockefeller Standard Oil interests control the majority of newspapers and magazines in this country." - John F. Hylan, New York City Mayor



"But, you know, there's another group that really runs the show. It's very shadowy, just as you've described... Those of us in the Congress of the United States are window dressing." - Congressman Virgil Goode



''Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.''
- H. L. Mencken



"The real rulers of Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes." - Felix Frankfurter - Supreme Court Justice

YouTube - George Carlin -"Who Really Controls America" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI)

[jtstellar]

strange question.. there are "manipulations" going on every second of everyday life.. as long as humans are humans and they are self centered, and they should be, there will be manipulations.

there is just as much manipulation going on within the liberty movement. think of the differences every person has on how a candidate should conduct himself when a conflict of principle vs. vote getting arises. each time an individual opens his mouth, it's manipulation for everybody else.

think of 911 truthers constantly trying to shift the focus of liberty movement also. there is manipulation going on any time of the day. by two parties? duh. i am typing in the shortest way possible while maximizing the convincibility of my opinions. am i manipulating too? you bet.

[johngr]

The Larry McDonald/Ron Paul strategy worked. Ron Paul is currently a Congressman in Texas.

Macdonald was a Dixiecrat (when there was still a such thing). If he were entering politics today, he'd join the Republican Party. He had tons of charisma, knew what was going on and probably would have been president. By whacked, I mean "accidented". Like the other politicians I listed.