KET - If Rand Paul backs out of debate, we'll give Conway the whole hour to himself

[MRoCkEd]

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20101018/NEWS01/310180046/1008/Jack+Conway+resorted+to+unusual+attack++analysts+s ay


Diedre Clark, a producer for KET, said Monday that Paul has not told the network he plans to withdraw. If he does, Clark said, Conway will be allowed to appear on the “Kentucky Tonight” program alone.

[LibertyEagle]

Let 'em.

[Agorism]

Perhaps Conway will have pulled the ad by then so Rand can debate again?


Did you all see this?

YouTube - Meth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X30QIdMLnbw)

and this

YouTube - RAND PAUL'S MINE SAFETY POLICY: "Accidents Happen" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBf5p8ZMFU8)

[sailingaway]

So?

Rand has no need for another debate, and if Conway had asked for an hour, he'd have gotten it, anyhow. And I'm sure Rand can get his own media. And compare Conway having an hour few will watch with having Conway sling charges at Rand completely irrelevant to the issues of the day....for an hour.

[sailingaway]

Perhaps Conway will have pulled the ad by then so Rand can debate again?


Did you all see this?

YouTube - Meth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X30QIdMLnbw)

and this

YouTube - RAND PAUL'S MINE SAFETY POLICY: "Accidents Happen" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBf5p8ZMFU8)

That is exactly what I meant about there being no use to debate Conway. He just makes stuff up and Rand has to respond to it. Sure he'll lie for an hour, but fewer people will watch if Rand isn't there.

[MozoVote]

If Rand isn't there, hopefully his campaign has a good idea what he WILL be doing instead during that hour.

[thomas-in-ky]

I just heard someone say "you know, if they give Conway the whole hour, he'll be talking about Rand Paul for 45 minutes." LOL.

Seriously, I was for the debates when everyone else was against them. I think Rand did them because he had agreed to very early on. As far as I'm concerned, he's no longer obligated. Conway demonstrated his willingness to waste everyone's time in the last debate. I'd support ditching it. What more is there to talk about? Clearly Conway doesn't want to discuss issues.

[Brett85]

Rand should just let Conway have the whole hour simply to expose what liberal hacks these people are.

[2young2vote]

Him backing out could easily be used against him in an attack ad: *evil/sad music* Rand Paul, rather than discuss the issues that matter to Kentuckians the most, he backs out in their most needed hour. If he won't even attend a simple debate, how will he fair in public office? *happy/hopeful music* But Jack Conway never backs down from a tough fight. He will represent what true Kentuckians believe in and be there for you. Jack Conway, hope for Kentucky. *Jack Conway* I'm Jack Conway and I approve this message.

I think he should attend the debate. If he does a good job, he has nothing to worry about.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Does anyone think anyone would tune in to watch Conway give a hour-long stump speech?

[Indy Vidual]

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I think he should attend the debate. If he does a good job, he has nothing to worry about.

Yes, Rand committed to the debate and needs to follow through. :)

[Fozz]

Rand should debate, or else he will be seen as a weakling.

[BenIsForRon]

I think Rand should debate, on behalf of his ideals and his supporters.

[sailingaway]

I think Rand should debate, on behalf of his ideals and his supporters.

I don't. He isn't given time to explain an issue, just give a sound bite and Conway is attacking him. Maybe if he can get some decent groundrules, not otherwise imho.

[BenIsForRon]

I don't. He isn't given time to explain an issue, just give a sound bite and Conway is attacking him. Maybe if he can get some decent groundrules, not otherwise imho.

Well, you have to ask yourself how this will be perceived by the voters. Will they understand Rand's reasoning or will they think he's avoiding the spotlight.

I don't think he has anything to lose if he participates in the debate.

[Brett85]

Perhaps Conway will have pulled the ad by then so Rand can debate again?


Did you all see this?

YouTube - Meth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X30QIdMLnbw)

I wish this was actually Rand's position on this issue.

[sailingaway]

Well, you have to ask yourself how this will be perceived by the voters. Will they understand Rand's reasoning or will they think he's avoiding the spotlight.

I don't think he has anything to lose if he participates in the debate.

I do, he's ahead. Conway is the one with nothing to lose, and in his desperation he doesn't care what he says, apparently.

[Brett85]

I changed my mind. Rand should debate Conway but then just make a point again to not shake his hand.

[Thargok]

I think he should quote bible verses about lies until he gets an apology.

[amisspelledword]

I think he should quote bible verses about lies until he gets an apology.
hahahaha

[ronaldo23]

I think Rand will end up debating. I can't imagine that Jack keeps this ad in the regular lineup for more than a few days when he is short on cash, unless some poll magically comes out showing a ridiculously close race. Regardless, Conway will certainly not issue a retraction or anything like that, I think people will slowly just see it less till it is off the air.

[Brett85]

I think Rand will end up debating. I can't imagine that Jack keeps this ad in the regular lineup for more than a few days when he is short on cash, unless some poll magically comes out showing a ridiculously close race. Regardless, Conway will certainly not issue a retraction or anything like that, I think people will slowly just see it less till it is off the air.

I think it's like one of the Democrats in Kentucky said. Conway is going through a meltdown, and he'll continue to attack Rand ruthlessly regardless of what the polls show. He's determined that if he's going down he's going to destroy Rand's character in the process. He's simply a character assasin.

[Fozz]

Rand's handshake refusal may BACKFIRE on HIM, so this race isn't over.

It definitely will backfire if Rand refuses to debate.

[Kotin]

Rand's handshake refusal may BACKFIRE on HIM, so this race isn't over.

It definitely will backfire if Rand refuses to debate.

Dear god..

[low preference guy]

Rand's handshake refusal may BACKFIRE on HIM, so this race isn't over.

It definitely will backfire if Rand refuses to debate.

this is obviously a troll making fun of the whole forum. can someone please ban him until November 3?

[UKJRC]

I know I don't have many posts on this board....but fozz lol. That is ridiculous. The CON-man's campaign is imploding before our eyes. The only people who have said anything about Rand not shaking his hand are liberals desperate to deflect attention away from the conway campaigns horrible and desperate miscalculation of bringing religion to the forefront. As you can see by today's media coverage from both the left and the right, it's not working lol!!

As for the will he or won't he on the debate.... Let's see how much of the Conway infrastructure remains intact by week's end.

[Fozz]

this is obviously a troll making fun of the whole forum. can someone please ban him until November 3?

Do you really think refusal to shake hands will go well with voters? Conway's ad is one thing, but voters may not want someone who seems to lack fortitude to deal with the political world and serve in the Senate. Rand shouldn't be in too much trouble, as long as he attends the final debate.

[Fozz]

this is obviously a troll making fun of the whole forum. can someone please ban him until November 3?

I said that this race isn't over and I said that his handshake refusal will backfire IF he refuses to debate (and dropping the debate will backfire along with it).

This isn't an unreasonable thought, or a troll thought.

[low preference guy]

Do you really think refusal to shake hands will go well with voters? Conway's ad is one thing, but voters may not want someone who seems to lack fortitude to deal with the political world and serve in the Senate. Rand shouldn't be in too much trouble, as long as he attends the final debate.

how much does the Conway campaign pay you?

[Brett85]

Do you really think refusal to shake hands will go well with voters? Conway's ad is one thing, but voters may not want someone who seems to lack fortitude to deal with the political world and serve in the Senate. Rand shouldn't be in too much trouble, as long as he attends the final debate.

The race is over no matter what Rand does. It has been for a long time, regardless of what that fake CN2 poll with 17% undecided showed.

[Jordan]

I think Chris Matthews should stump for Rand.

[Matt Collins]

I changed my mind. Rand should debate Conway but then just make a point again to not shake his hand.I approve this message :D;):p

[Matt Collins]

Do you really think refusal to shake hands will go well with voters? Most voters won't know or care about it to be honest.

[Matt Collins]

I think Chris Matthews should stump for Rand.Anything is possible.... CM was a Goldwater guy back in the day. :)

[HarryBrowneLives]

The number of voters who watch that show may be equal to the number that watch The Electric Company on PBS. I hope Rand goes on there, kicks his feet up, and takes a long nap.:D

If he wants to talk about issues other than about the time he stopped beating his wife, there all kinds of other venues that might actually have some substance ... other venues not run by Closet Socialists with an axe to grind.

[S.Shorland]

He has to turn up to the debate or he will be seen as weak and unfit to face the pressures of office.He shouldn't go on any Lefty shows until well after the election.They had to attack Conway to defend Obama from religion based attacks next time around but they would still dearly love Paul to lose.

[itshappening]

I said he should refuse to shake his hand and he should also refuse this debate because Conway will just spend his entire time repeating these character assassinations. It's predictable and Dr. Paul has a legitimate reason to not debate this nonsense

[sailingaway]

Most voters won't know or care about it to be honest.

If Rand debates he should make the call there, not before hand. It has to be what is natural in the setting. Manufactured outrage is a turn off if that is how voters see it.

I'd leave going on the debate or not to those in KY. Personally, I'm against it if Rand feels people are solidly in his corner at this point. The format, venue, everything, seems like just a bad idea when debates have already degenerated to this level.

Being called out nationwide for the most ugly debates of an ugly political season is plenty reason to say Rand sees no reason to go forward. But it is up to Rand, of course.

[TheDriver]

If Rand debates he should make the call there, not before hand. It has to be what is natural in the setting. Manufactured outrage is a turn off if that is how voters see it.

I'd leave going on the debate or not to those in KY. Personally, I'm against it if Rand feels people are solidly in his corner at this point. The format, venue, everything, seems like just a bad idea when debates have already degenerated to this level.

Being called out nationwide for the most ugly debates of an ugly political season is plenty reason to say Rand sees no reason to go forward. But it is up to Rand, of course.

The problem with the KET debate is the host likes playing to the "soap opera" issues, not the pressing ones. They'll spend 15 or 20 minutes talking about BS, Jack will spend 15 minutes or more lying about Rand. And Rand will have about 5 minutes to defend all the smears, lies and innuendoes.

That being said the KET debate last night between Barr and Chandler was pretty good and mostly issue based. But Jack Conway is no Ben Chandler.

If the debate was about contrasting the views of Rand against Jack's on real issues and not Jack's game plan, it would be a different story, but the debates have proven to be nothing more than a platform for Jack to spew his hate speech.

I don't think he should do the debate.

Instead he should pre-tape a 15 or 20 minute interview about REAL ISSUES.

Take it or leave it KET!

[sailingaway]

He has to turn up to the debate or he will be seen as weak and unfit to face the pressures of office.He shouldn't go on any Lefty shows until well after the election.They had to attack Conway to defend Obama from religion based attacks next time around but they would still dearly love Paul to lose.

KET IS a lefty show and they are doing the debate. AFTER he agreed to it they said it wouldn't be a 'debate' at all but a 'conversation with moderaters participating in [i.e. grilling] the discussion.

I saw no benefit from the start for Rand in such a debate. IF he does go he should DEFINITELY get ground rules in place. Nothing on college days, for starters, or keep it to current issues, use a real debate format, etc.

I defer to those in KY, but I swear some on here sound like they work for KET rather than support Rand.

[Wyurm]

I said that this race isn't over and I said that his handshake refusal will backfire IF he refuses to debate (and dropping the debate will backfire along with it).

This isn't an unreasonable thought, or a troll thought.

You remind me of the Fred Thompson forums during the Ron Paul campaign in 2008. Good times.