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FrankRep
10-18-2010, 09:05 AM
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America's Holy Writ, a Newsweek article by Andrew Romano on the Tea Party’s supposedly confused approach to the Constitution. by Michael Tennant


Constitution à la Tea Party (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/constitution/4916-constitution-a-la-tea-party)


Michael Tennant | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
18 October 2010


The Tea Party clearly has the establishment in a panic. The latest evidence: "America's Holy Writ," a Newsweek article by Andrew Romano (http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/17/how-tea-partiers-get-the-constitution-wrong.html) on the Tea Party’s supposedly confused approach to the Constitution.
Romano’s theses: (1) The Tea Party owes its very existence to the election of Barack Obama, “a black, urban, liberal Democrat with a Muslim name,” and the consequent reignition of the “culture war.” (2) “Tea Partiers engage with the Constitution in … a selective manner.” There is some truth in both theses, though not quite what Romano has in mind.

Undoubtedly the ascension of Obama to the White House, combined with economic uncertainty, fueled the rise of the Tea Party. It is hard to imagine the movement’s having taken off had John McCain been elected President in 2008, especially with Sarah Palin, darling of at least one faction of the Tea Party, on the ticket. At the same time, the Tea Party itself had its genesis (http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090415005738&newsLang=en) in the '08 presidential campaign of Ron Paul — a campaign that had ended, for all intents and purposes, before Obama secured the Democratic Party’s nomination and was a reaction more to Republicans’ failings than to Democrats’.

As to the “culture war” that Obama’s election supposedly reawakened, Romano explains:



At heart, the culture wars were really never about anything as specific as abortion or gay marriage. Instead, as James Davison Hunter wrote in Culture Wars, the book that popularized the term, the conflicts of the 1990s represented something bigger: “a struggle over … who we have been ... who we are now, and ... who we, as a nation, will aspire” to be. Such conflicts, Hunter explained, pit “orthodox” Americans, who like the way things were, against their more “progressive” peers, who are comfortable with the way things are becoming.


Romano sees in the Tea Party a similar orthodox-vs.-progressive conflict. Tea Party candidates, he says, speak in moral, rather than legal, terms. Progressives, on the other hand, speak mostly in legal terms, seeing morality as relative and defined, rather than codified, by law.

Romano is horrified that many Tea Partiers adhere to an originalist view of the Constitution, under which (quoting Obama administration official Cass Sunstein) “many decisions of the Federal Communications Commission, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, and possibly the National Labor Relations Board would be [ruled] unconstitutional,” as would Social Security, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Federal Reserve, and the federal minimum wage. All of this, he says, is predicated on the view that “true patriots … favor a pre-progressive vision of the United States.” Romano elaborates:



When Nevada Senate nominee Sharron Angle says we need to “phase out” Social Security and Medicare; when Alaska Senate nominee Joe Miller asserts that unemployment benefits are “unconstitutional”; when West Virginia Senate nominee John Raese declares that the minimum wage should “absolutely” be abolished; when Kentucky Senate nominee Rand Paul questions the legality of the Civil Rights Act of 1964; when Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann claims that Obama’s new health-insurance law violates the Constitution; and when various Tea Party candidates say they want to repeal the amendments that triggered the federal income tax and the direct election of senators — this is the vision they’re promoting.


To Romano and other progressives, the Constitution is a “living document,” which he describes as “a set of principles that, while admirable and enduring, must be interpreted in light of present-day social developments in order to be properly upheld.” In other words, the Constitution means whatever the government — and especially the courts — declares it to mean. In Romano’s view, the “living” Constitution “is an integrative force — the cornerstone of our civil religion,” while the “Tea Partiers belong to … a tradition of divisive fundamentalism.”

Under the progressive approach, which we have endured for a century now, have Americans really become more united? The government programs and taxes and regulations that Romano champions pit the old against the young, the rich against the poor, the black against the white, the male against the female, the corporation against the taxpayer, the employer against the employee, and so on, ad infinitum.

Moreover, it is precisely the policies that progressives favor that have brought us to the current precarious position, degrading our currency, running up insurmountable public and private debts, and creating a dependent class that will likely take to the streets — as the French and Greek dependent classes have already done — before it gives up a single penny of its ill-gotten gains. Had constitutional originalism held sway for the last 100 years, the United States would still be on a very sound footing, as it was prior to the Progressive Era.

Romano is not entirely wrong to assert that Tea Partiers often stray from originalism, which he describes as “a rational, consistent philosophy,” albeit one that is not to his liking. “The real problem with the Tea Party’s brand of Constitution worship isn’t that it’s too dogmatic,” he explains. “It’s that it isn’t dogmatic enough.”

He cites a few examples of Tea Party candidates’ positions that he believes are at odds with their professed reverence for the Constitution. “Paul told a Russian television station that America ‘should stop’ automatically granting citizenship to the native-born children of illegal immigrants. Turns out his suggestion would be unconstitutional, at least according to the 14th Amendment (1868) and a pair of subsequent Supreme Court decisions.” Or would it? As The New American’s Joe Wolverton II recently pointed out (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/immigration/4453-automatic-citizenship), the senators involved in drafting the 14th Amendment did not believe that the citizenship clause applied to children of illegal aliens, and one of the Supreme Court cases dealt only with the issue of citizenship as it applied to a child of legal aliens. This is hardly the open-and-shut case that Romano makes it out to be.

Romano’s other examples: (1) “Paul said he’d like to prevent federal contractors from lobbying Congress — a likely violation of their First Amendment right to redress.” Okay, maybe we can give him that one. (2) “In July, Alaska’s Miller told ABC News that unemployment benefits are not ‘constitutionally authorized.’ Reports later revealed that his wife claimed unemployment in 2002.” So Mrs. Miller accepted benefits from a program in which she had been forced to participate during the time she was employed. This hardly invalidates her husband’s claim that the program is unconstitutional in the first place. (3) “In last week’s Delaware Senate debate, O’Donnell was asked to name a recent Supreme Court case she disagreed with. ‘Oh, gosh,’ she stammered, unable to cite a single piece of evidence to support her … talking points. ‘I know that there are a lot, but, uh, I’ll put it up on my Web site, I promise you.’ ” Which proves that O’Donnell may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, not that her constitutional philosophy is wrong. (4) “Angle has said that ‘government isn’t what our Founding Fathers put into the Constitution’ — even though establishing a federal government with the ‘Power To lay and collect Taxes’ to ‘provide for the common Defence and general Welfare’ is one of the main reasons the Founders created a Constitution to replace the weak, decentralized Articles of Confederation.” Way to distort Angle’s clear point — that the Constitution’s purpose was to restrict, not unleash, government — there, Andrew.

What Romano has really proved is that candidates with the backing of the Tea Party (although, as Wolverton noted (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/4902-of-witches-wrestlers-and-weasels-disappointing-debates-in-key-senate-races) recently, Angle is actually not the Tea Party candidate in Nevada — Scott Ashjian is) act like politicians, not principled defenders of the Constitution. This is unfortunate but not unexpected. TNA’s Jack Kenny has expressed (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/opinion/959-jack-kenny/4906-odonnells-witchcraft-is-same-old-qvoodoo) similar sentiments about O’Donnell.

This does not, however, mean that grassroots Tea Party members are unified around a strict originalist interpretation of the Constitution. Some Tea Partiers want merely, as O’Donnell said, to crack down on “waste, fraud, and abuse” in government programs — to reform them, but not to repeal them. Others, while expressing a desire to cut back severely on domestic programs, are still fond of the American empire, favoring “belligerence toward any regime that is not a captive of U.S. political control,” as Lew Rockwell put it (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/prepare-for-betrayal155.html). Few would argue for major reductions in defense spending despite the fact that the Constitution imposes a two-year limit on any military appropriations, such was the Founders’ fear of a standing army.

Both the progressives and the Tea Partiers take inconsistent approaches to the Constitution. Whereas the Tea Partiers’ problem is, as Rockwell said, “intellectual,” in that they really haven’t given the document and its implications enough thought, progressives purposely ignore the clear meaning of the text in their pursuit of expansive, all-encompassing government. One group is (somewhat) ignorant; the other, invidious.

The Tea Party may “betray the party of liberty,” to quote Rockwell once more, but its opponents never even give liberty a second thought. Victories for Tea Party candidates may not usher in the second coming of Thomas Jefferson, but leaders who pay attention to at least some parts of the Constitution are certainly preferable to those who willfully scorn the whole thing.


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/constitution/4916-constitution-a-la-tea-party

ninepointfive
10-18-2010, 09:58 AM
I've heard "establishment types" with this same opinion. They're running scared!!!! haha

Kotin
10-18-2010, 10:00 AM
Sorry but the tea party has been hijacked.

ninepointfive
10-18-2010, 10:27 AM
Sorry but the tea party has been hijacked.

take it back!

Dr.3D
10-18-2010, 10:32 AM
Sorry but the tea party has been hijacked.

Even so, it seems to scare the hell out of em.

acptulsa
10-18-2010, 10:36 AM
Sorry but the tea party has been hijacked.

Sometimes I think we would have been better off if McCain had won. Then we could get the respect of independents faster because, one, we would still be disaffected even with the neocons in charge, and two, we wouldn't be but a few trees in a forest of people who are all too often neither schooled nor principled.

Nah, probably not. There are still plenty of disaffected conservatives. Just so long as we can make them see the fact that the rock candy on a stick the neocons are offering is intended to make a sucker out of them...

FrankRep
10-18-2010, 10:43 AM
Sometimes I think we would have been better off if McCain had won.

Obama's Big Government actions has sparked a liberty rebellion. I'm awesome.

libertyfan101
10-18-2010, 01:44 PM
The Establishment is the tea party. A total controlled opposition.

Stary Hickory
10-18-2010, 03:04 PM
The Establishment is the tea party. A total controlled opposition.

What load of steaming poo. The tea party is a big problem for the establishment GOP. They may be inconsistent, but then again there are a lot of people in the tea party with a wide range of views. It can mostly be termed a GOP/Independent-conservative movement but it's overall thrust is smaller government and politicians that do more than talk.

Take a look at what Ron Paul has to say about them, he understands it fairly well.

RonPaulwillWin
10-18-2010, 03:22 PM
Sometimes I think we would have been better off if McCain had won. Then we could get the respect of independents faster because, one, we would still be disaffected even with the neocons in charge, and two, we wouldn't be but a few trees in a forest of people who are all too often neither schooled nor principled.

Nah, probably not. There are still plenty of disaffected conservatives. Just so long as we can make them see the fact that the rock candy on a stick the neocons are offering is intended to make a sucker out of them...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=113865&highlight=vote+john+mccain

LibertyEagle
10-18-2010, 03:34 PM
The Establishment is the tea party. A total controlled opposition.

I think one faction of it is. I agree. I don't think the same of the Tea Party Patriots. Or, I have not seen it yet, anyway. The Tea Party Patriots is who invited Ron Paul to speak.

Which group invited Thomas Woods?

FrankRep
10-18-2010, 03:58 PM
Sorry but the tea party has been hijacked.

Judge Andrew Napolitano is a hijacker?


Judge Andrew Napolitano at Columbus Ohio Tea Party
YouTube - Judge Andrew Napolitano- Columbus Ohio Tea Party, August 1, 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8ySpaDlMsY)

Judge Andrew Napolitano at Tucson, Arizona Tea Party
YouTube - Andrew Napolitano at Tucson Tea Party, Part I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW9-2rAToiI)

libertyfan101
10-18-2010, 04:35 PM
What load of steaming poo. The tea party is a big problem for the establishment GOP. They may be inconsistent, but then again there are a lot of people in the tea party with a wide range of views. It can mostly be termed a GOP/Independent-conservative movement but it's overall thrust is smaller government and politicians that do more than talk.
Take a look at what Ron Paul has to say about them, he understands it fairly well.

When you have self appointed leaders like Hannity, Palin, Beck and Fox News. Then you are nothing but another neo-con party playing lip service to small government. While continuing the same deficits and debt both parties give us.
The Tea Party is a sham. Nothing like it was when it was founded by Paul supporters and indies. The establishment has control over the Tea Party. Especially the military industrial complex.

fedup100
10-18-2010, 05:44 PM
Sorry but the tea party has been hijacked.

Too late to take it back. I warned people this was happening and Glen Beck was the chosen leader. This forum, Paul everyone just yawned and walked away. This was the RP movement and we pissed it away.

FrankRep
10-18-2010, 05:46 PM
Too late to take it back. I warned people this was happening and Glen Beck was the chosen leader. This forum, Paul everyone just yawned and walked away. This was the RP movement and we pissed it away.

Is Judge Andrew Napolitano is a hijacker? Is Ron Paul is hijacker?

TonyFromTheBronx
10-18-2010, 08:17 PM
the liberal establishment bashes the Tea Party so that the Tea Party gains influence among the conservative establishment...


fake left-right bullshit

....Obama - left....Palin-right

AGRP
10-18-2010, 08:24 PM
DON"T GET DISCOURAGED. STOP BEING SO PESSIMISTIC.

We can/do easily convert the Glenn Beck and Sara Palin type followers on the grass roots level.

FrankRep
10-18-2010, 08:29 PM
We can/do easily convert the Glenn Beck and Sara Palin type followers on the grass roots level.

Judge Napolitano: "I converted Glenn Beck..."

YouTube - The Alex Jones Show - Thu 10.07.2010 part-16 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6cXj0Iz7FI)

fj45lvr
10-19-2010, 04:27 AM
Too late to take it back. I warned people this was happening and Glen Beck was the chosen leader. This forum, Paul everyone just yawned and walked away. This was the RP movement and we pissed it away.


what?? this sounds insane. What exactly did the RP movement do?? or not do??


The stooges that actually run D.C. have to laugh at how easy it is to "one up" people like little ants they can squish at will.

Don't get uptight that these stooges have brains and are politically savvy just move along and continue to fight for liberty from them and the state. It's not like a novel idea like "tea party" can't be outdone in the real struggle which will not be won through media hype and being cute. Who said the "revolution will not be televised"??? That is one of the most profound statements alongside Paul's "truth is treason in the empire of lies"....

Liberty has never been accomplished without resistance that I am aware of.

aclove
10-19-2010, 05:51 AM
It's important to keep in mind that in every anti-establishment movement, there will be those who shy away from any kind of real, measurable success, because they instinctively feel that making any headway has irreversibly compromised the movement. It's the, "I oppose whoever's on top right now" syndrome. These folks naturally gravitate towards the agorists and ancaps in our movement who are morally opposed to political activism of any kind.

While we as a freedom-based movement shouldn't berate anyone for not being comfortable with a particular kind of activism, neither should those of us who are engaging in the political system allow ourselves to get dragged down by excessive pessimism.

acptulsa
10-21-2010, 01:09 PM
I think one faction of it is. I agree. I don't think the same of the Tea Party Patriots. Or, I have not seen it yet, anyway. The Tea Party Patriots is who invited Ron Paul to speak.

Which group invited Thomas Woods?

That's the long and the short of it. Places like Houston have stadium-sized "Official :rolleyes: Tea Party Rallies" all the time, but here in Tulsa we're not big enough to be a flag stop for the shiny new Dutch-built (or Belgian, or whatever it is) bus. Lucky for us.

So, your brand of tea may vary widely, depending upon whether or not you live in a city big enough to warrant the full effect of their fine corporate finances.

Indy Vidual
10-21-2010, 01:10 PM
Sorry but the tea party has been hijacked.

Agreed, the tea party, or much of it, is the Establishment.

acptulsa
10-21-2010, 01:15 PM
Agreed, the tea party is the Establishment.

Again, which one?

Haven't seen that ugly Van Hool streamliner around here, but we've had tea parties.

Indy Vidual
10-21-2010, 01:21 PM
Again, which one?...

I already edited my post:
Agreed, the tea party, or much of it, is the Establishment.

Again, which one?...
Mainstream Americans relate the "Tea Party" to what they see on TV.
Most of that one is controlled by...
http://www.freedomworks.org/files/images/kmbsm.jpg

FreedomWorks: Chairman Dick Armey (http://www.freedomworks.org/about/chairman-dick-armey)

acptulsa
10-21-2010, 01:24 PM
I already edited my post:
Agreed, the tea party, or much of it, is the Establishment.

Again, which one?...
Mainstream Americans relate the "Tea Party" to what they see on TV.
Most of that one is controlled by...

...several old washouts, of which Armey is almost certainly the brightest, yes.

Well, mainstream Americans aren't completely immune to news that doesn't come off the boob toob, so keep spreading the news, people. Don't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory just because the boobstream news keeps insisting we're losing.

awake
10-21-2010, 03:31 PM
I think a new party should be formed, we shall call it the 'The government is too DAMN big party'. I'm growing a 16th century raving Lord Nelson; power sideburns and kickn' handle bar mustache.

..Cause the government is too DAMN Big!

osan
10-21-2010, 08:03 PM
Even so, it seems to scare the hell out of em.

This may be wishful thinking. Always bear in mind that this is ALL showmanship. The landscape is so littered with bullshit that it is nearly impossible to tell where truth ends and baloney starts.

I am very skeptical as to whether the Tea Party poses any perceived threat to those in power. If it did, it would be stopped by whatever means. Perhaps it is so that it has been co opted. Short of a credible confession, who can really tell? How?

Indy Vidual
10-21-2010, 08:11 PM
Are both these statements true?

1) "We" are just a toy to "them."
2) Some of the world's best "toys", have the power to scare you in a real way.



...I am very skeptical as to whether the Tea Party poses any perceived threat to those in power...