Jack is in SAE? Now I have no problem with this fine old House, but u should know...

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This is their initiation robe, from their catalog:

http://secure.mycart.net/catalogs/flash_product_image/img_var_trans.asp?prod_id=1847943

http://secure.cartsvr.net/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=1847943&showprevnext=1

If you go on line, there is lots of information about SAE, and what it is 'known' for which would be every bit as relevant as what NoZe was known for (but Rand, personally, did not take part in.) However, I kind of lost my enthusiasm while going through stuff. I had SAE friends and they were good guys. Lets just leave it that ANYONE's college days include things they don't want brought up when they are running for Senator, unless they had no life.

And I can personally say SAE was as 'known' for 'kidnapping' as any other House on campus.

[TheDriver]

This is their initiation robe, from their catalog:

http://secure.mycart.net/catalogs/flash_product_image/img_var_trans.asp?prod_id=1847943

http://secure.cartsvr.net/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=1847943&showprevnext=1

If you go on line, there is lots of information about SAE, and what it is 'known' for which would be every bit as relevant as what NoZe was known for (but Rand, personally, did not take part in.) However, I kind of lost my enthusiasm while going through stuff. I had SAE friends and they were good guys. Lets just leave it that ANYONE's college days include things they don't want brought up when they are running for Senator, unless they had no life.

And I can personally say SAE was as 'known' for 'kidnapping' as any other House on campus.

Photoshop Jack's nugget on that pic..... :D

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Photoshop Jack's nugget on that pic..... :D

I still haven't reinstalled photoshop after having to 'return my computer to factory settings', so maybe someone else could do that? I wouldn't say anything really awful, though (there is some weird stuff on the internet, but when is there not?), it isn't SAE's fault Jack is such a dick.

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By the way, I just saw someone else here saying Jack was in Duke SAE so if anyone plans to write a blog on this, you should confirm that point.

[Libertea Party]

By the way, I just saw someone else here saying Jack was in Duke SAE so if anyone plans to write a blog on this, you should confirm that point.

Found it. Here's a DUKE SAE newsletter claiming him as an '91 Alum. It's a PDF file on Page 3: http://dukesae.com/uploads/files/0000/3136/SAE_NC_Nu_NEWS_Summer-Fall_2009_Newsletter.pdf

Also fraternities count as "secret societies" as far as I'm concerned.

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OK. Anyone running with this, I would suggest they do it in a 'Jack is a dick, all Houses 'kidnap' and he knows well it isn't what his ad implies' way, rather than demonize the fraternity as a whole.

[Live Free or Die]

Conway rips NoZe to spite his face?

A little bit about SAE at Duke (and these are from Duke's own paper):

"SAE was present on campus from 1931 to 2002, when the chapter was expelled from the national fraternity and automatically disaffiliated from the University for violations of risk management, including hazing. " (http://dukechronicle.com/node/146741)

According to former Duke students, it was known as the rape frat, and that SAE stood for "Sexual Assault Expected."
Links: http://dukechronicle.com/article/student-sae-nationals-challenge-rape-charge

"A string of campus incidents had kept SAE in that spotlight even before the current members had arrived at Duke--in Nov. 1996, the fraternity was reported for openly distributing alcohol; in March 1998, a 16-year-old visitor alleged she was raped at the SAE section; and in Nov. 1998, two independents living in the SAE section filed a complaint and alleged, in part, that fraternity members kicked in their door, broke bottles outside their room and yelled disparaging remarks about independents. "
http://dukechronicle.com/article/sae-announces-dissolution
http://dukechronicle.com/node/113940

Now, search for more info about this chapter in UNBIASED news stories and blogs. What an interesting thing this SAE at Duke is. Hmm...

Allegations that pledges are forced to do things in a barn with a condom and a goat, while being paddled. (Quote: "We never did anything gay though, unless you count the goat, which was a female.") Yeah... I'll just leave that there.

Former pledges and members list things about the frat. Quote: "Shoved frozen hot dogs up dudes a$$es"

You all can search for more about this on your own.

Fact is, Conway should not be smearing Paul's affiliation with NoZe based upon things the club supposedly supported, said or did.

There are extremely disgusting and illegal things Conway's SAE chapter did, and is alleged to have done, before, during and after his membership. And we are talking about thousands of people writing about this stuff, not just one unnamed woman who later said it was a prank being "blown way out of proportion."

My opinion on Jack's fixation with NoZe & Aqua Buddha? Jack is so very afraid of the awful things he did in his college SAE frat days coming to light that he searched high and low for something Paul *may* have done to throw suspicion off his own disgusting college days. That is why he won't let Aqua Buddha go. I'll also wager that Conway was SAE brother who was nicknamed "Goat Boner."

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Sigh.

And they quoted the Baylor paper etc and slur Rand for a 'calling the Bible a hoax' line which HE certainly didn't say (not to mention that it was obvious satire, refering to it having been influenced by Faulkner)......BUT this stuff is SOOOOOO nasty and hits all kids who were in SAE.....I think we can mention SAE and lesser issues and anyone who really cares can look it up. Given that he has the media on his side, it is unlikely to be published as Rand's supposed kidnapping smear was spread all over the universe.

[Live Free or Die]

Given that he has the media on his side, it is unlikely to be published as Rand's supposed kidnapping smear was spread all over the universe.

Yet the smear started on a blog. And I'll give you two guesses whose campaign pointed the writer toward the anonymous woman for an interview.

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Yet the smear started on a blog. And I'll give you two guesses whose campaign pointed the writer toward the anonymous woman for an interview.

Oh, I'm certain of it. I in no way think Jack doesn't deserve it. I'm thinking of other SAE students.

Someone likely will spread it, but I'll stick to 'SAE kidnaps too' and 'look at this dorky robe' type stuff, myself.

[LudwigVonMisoSoup]

SAE = Same Asshole Everywhere or Sexual Assault Expected.

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