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FrankRep
10-17-2010, 09:17 AM
Note: I only post this because Libertarians think "Legalizing Marijuana" is the magic bullet to stop and bankrupt the Mexican Drug Cartels.

Also, I do support California's 10th Amendment Right to Legalize Marijuana (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=264516). This is not an anti-Legalization post, just a reality check post.



RAND: Legalizing Marijuana in California Will Not Dramatically Reduce Mexican Drug Trafficking Revenues (http://www.rand.org/news/press/2010/10/12/index.html)


RAND CORPORATION PRESS RELEASE
October 12, 2010


Legalizing marijuana in California will not dramatically reduce the drug revenues collected by Mexican drug trafficking organizations from sales to the United States, according to a new RAND Corporation study (http://www.rand.org/pubs/occasional_papers/OP325/).

The only scenario where legalization in California could substantially reduce the revenue of the drug trafficking organizations is if high-potency, California-produced marijuana is smuggled to other U.S. states at prices that are lower than those of current Mexican supplies, according to the study from the RAND Drug Policy Research Center (http://www.rand.org/multi/dprc/). RAND is a nonprofit research organization.

The study calculates that Mexican drug trafficking organizations generate only $1 billion to $2 billion annually from exporting marijuana to the United States and selling it to wholesalers, far below existing estimates by the government and other groups.

The RAND study also finds that the often-cited claim that marijuana accounts for 60 percent of gross drug export revenues of Mexican drug trafficking organizations is not credible. RAND's exploratory analysis on this point suggests that 15 percent to 26 percent is a more credible range. Given that California accounts for about 14 percent of the nation's marijuana use, this suggests that if marijuana legalization in California only influences the California market, it would have a small effect on drug trafficking organizations — cutting total drug export revenues by perhaps 2 to 4 percent.

However, the impact of legalization on Mexican drug trafficking organizations' bottom line could be magnified if marijuana cultivated in California is smuggled into other states, according to the study. After legalization, if low-cost, high-quality marijuana produced in California dominates the U.S. marijuana market, then the Mexican drug trafficking organizations' revenue from exporting marijuana could decline by more than 65 percent and probably closer to 85 percent. In this scenario, results from the RAND study suggest the drug trafficking organizations would lose roughly 20 percent of their total drug export revenues.

"Legalizing marijuana in California would not appreciably influence the Mexican drug trafficking organizations and the related violence unless exports from California drive Mexican marijuana out of the market in other states," said Beau Kilmer (http://www.rand.org/about/people/k/kilmer_beau.html), the study's lead author and co-director of the RAND Drug Policy Research Center. "If that happens, then legalization could reduce some of the Mexican drug violence in the long run. But even then, legalization may not have much impact in the short run."

In November, California voters will consider a ballot measure titled the Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010 — on the ballot as Proposition 19 — that would authorize local jurisdictions to regulate and tax the commercial cultivation and sale of marijuana. Such activities would remain illegal in jurisdictions that do not opt in. In addition, the measure would make it legal for those aged 21 and older to cultivate marijuana on a 5-foot-by-5-foot plot and possess, process, share or transport up to one ounce of marijuana.

Some Proposition 19 supporters argue that legalizing marijuana could help curb drug violence in Mexico and frequently reference a 2006 U.S. government report suggesting that marijuana exports account for 60 percent of all Mexican drug trafficking organization revenue. The government has since retracted the 60 percent figure.

"No publicly available source verifies or explains the mythical 60 percent figure and subsequent government analyses revealed great uncertainty about the estimate," said study co-author Jonathan P. Caulkins, the H. Guyford Stever Professor of Operations Research at Carnegie Mellon University's Heinz College and Qatar campus. "Our analyses suggest that smuggling marijuana across the Southwest border accounts for 15 to 26 percent of the export revenues generated by Mexican drug trafficking organizations."

Researchers examined other examples of organized crime groups losing substantial revenues to assess how drug-related violence in Mexico might be affected.

"Projections about the effect of a large revenue decrease on violence in Mexico are particularly uncertain, but there are some scenarios that suggest a large decline in revenues might provoke increased violence in the short run and a decline after some years," said study co-author Peter Reuter, a professor of public policy and criminology at the University of Maryland.

The RAND study employs replicable methods for estimating revenue earned by Mexican drug trafficking organizations for exporting marijuana and other drugs to the United States. Most estimates of international drug profits and supplies do not use methods that allow others to review the findings and reproduce the methods at a later date, researchers say.

The study does not calculate revenue from drug trafficking organization production and distribution within the United States, which — apart from marijuana in California — would not be affected by Proposition 19 and is extremely difficult to estimate with existing data, according to researchers.

Kilmer said the work underscores the need to develop better information about marijuana use and supplies to help guide public policy. For example, surveys asking the public about marijuana use should ask about the amount and type of marijuana used and how it is consumed — key questions not asked today.

The report — "Reducing Drug Trafficking Revenues and Violence in Mexico: Would Legalizing Marijuana in California Help? (http://www.rand.org/pubs/occasional_papers/OP325/)" — can be found at www.rand.org. Funding for this study was provided by RAND International Programs (http://www.rand.org/international_programs/) through RAND's Investment in People and Ideas program, which combines philanthropic contributions from individuals, foundations, and private-sector firms with earnings from RAND's endowment and operations to support research on issues that reach beyond the scope of traditional client sponsorship.

Brittany Bond of Carnegie Mellon University is a co-author of the study.

The RAND Drug Policy Research Center (http://www.rand.org/multi/dprc/) is a joint project of RAND Health (http://www.rand.org/health/) and the RAND Safety and Justice program (http://www.rand.org/ise/safety/) within RAND Infrastructure, Safety, and Environment (http://www.rand.org/ise/). The goal of the RAND Drug Policy Research Center is to provide a firm, empirical foundation upon which sound drug policies can be built.


About the RAND Corporation

The RAND Corporation is a nonprofit research organization providing objective analysis and effective solutions that address the challenges facing the public and private sectors around the world.


SOURCE:
http://www.rand.org/news/press/2010/10/12/index.html

FrankRep
10-17-2010, 09:32 AM
U.S.-Mexico Border Security Now!

Ron Paul agrees (http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/border-security/).


DHS Alerted AZ Sheriffs That Mexican Drug Cartel Was Sending Assassins Into Arizona Valley, Then Did No More Than Set Up Signs To Warn Travelers Away (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/dhs-alerted-arizona-sheriffs-mexican-dru)

Mexican assassins headed to Arizona (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/oct/15/mexican-assassins-headed-arizona/)

Mexican Assassins Headed to Arizona, U.S. Warned (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/16/mexican-assassins-headed-arizona-warned/)

DHS Issued Memo Admitting Mexican Narco Assassins Operate in Arizona (http://www.prisonplanet.com/dhs-issued-memo-admitting-mexican-narco-assassins-operate-in-arizona.html)

Arizona Under Siege By Mexican Drug Cartels (http://newsblaze.com/story/20101016075523mcut.nb/topstory.html)

Mexican drug cartel war spills onto American soil (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/10/mexican_drug_cartel_war_spills.html)

Sheriff: Cartels planned to send 'assassins' to Arizona (http://www.gvnews.com/articles/2010/10/16/breaking_news/doc4cb8858da409e992151585.txt)

johnrocks
10-17-2010, 09:50 AM
60% of the Drug Cartel's business is pot but no, one State won't bust them in the balls.

jake
10-17-2010, 09:50 AM
legalization in MEXICO and legalization of HARDER DRUGS COMBINED with border security would solve it

how anyone would expect legalizing ONE DRUG in ONE STATE would solve it is beyond me. that doesn't prove legalization isn't part of the answer.

ClayTrainor
10-17-2010, 09:52 AM
how anyone would expect legalizing ONE DRUG in ONE STATE would solve it is beyond me. that doesn't prove legalization isn't part of the answer.

Very True! Statists twist basic logic to meet their own desired ends.


People need to ask, What happened to Alchohol cartels when Alcohol was legalized accross the board?

HOLLYWOOD
10-17-2010, 10:08 AM
legalization in MEXICO and legalization of HARDER DRUGS COMBINED with border security would solve it

how anyone would expect legalizing ONE DRUG in ONE STATE would solve it is beyond me. that doesn't prove legalization isn't part of the answer.

There's no Money and Control by government if you do resolve the problem(s).

Mexico, as recent as this past week, has already requested the US Government do more to resolve all the drug problems in their country. The US FEDS will reciprocate... because they love control and growing the POLICE STATE via their planned operative funding and maintaining power.

Seal the Mexican/US border give the taxpayers their money back.

furface
10-17-2010, 10:17 AM
RAND says it, so it must be so. Their crystal ball seems to be very active in the area of military/industrial/prison complex hocus pocus. For instance:

http://www.rand.org/commentary/2010/08/17/CSM.html

jkr
10-17-2010, 10:45 AM
let them grow hemp
MAKE them grow hemp
canada does...or maybe we just like watching PEOPLE die


sad


so sad

Kregisen
10-17-2010, 11:53 AM
Yeah I'm sorry but whoever made this article is a dumbass. Obviously it's 1 state....stop trying to twist the truth here. Once every state legalizes it, (as long as taxes aren't too high) the cartels won't be smuggling anymore pot ever again.

RAND corporation lacks logic of a 7-year old.

FrankRep
10-17-2010, 12:00 PM
Yeah I'm sorry but whoever made this article is a dumbass. Obviously it's 1 state....stop trying to twist the truth here. Once every state legalizes it, (as long as taxes aren't too high) the cartels won't be smuggling anymore pot ever again.

So far NO state has legalized it and we have a serious problem with Mexican Drug Cartels Right Now. Border Security is the top priority.

Ron Paul agrees (http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/border-security/).

LibertyEagle
10-17-2010, 12:13 PM
Very True! Statists twist basic logic to meet their own desired ends.

This could have been an interesting thread. Why did you have to jump in and immediately start throwing around the statist label? It's like you seem to think that anyone who wants to have any government at all is a statist and that simply is not true.