Jesse Ventura - revelation that Conspiracy Theories will feature JFK assassin confess

[lynnf]

the original event is not news, the audio having been broadcast in last couple of years, but it will be a first for network TV.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ventura-in-heated-911-truth-debate-wtc-didnt-collapse-it-exploded.html
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"The former Governor also gave viewers a teaser regarding the upcoming series of Conspiracy Theory, with a promise of a visual, audible and written confession to the murder of JFK for the first time on network television."


"Professor" Ventura giving a schooling....

http://prisonplanet.com/images/october2010/151010Ventura.jpg

[Galileo Galilei]

I thought James Files already confessed a few years ago?

[lynnf]

I thought James Files already confessed a few years ago?


apparently so, but did you think there was only one?

from Mr. Files's youtube video label:

"CIA arranged for several marksmen, at least 2 positioned at the Grassy Knoll. Instruction: ensure a shot to JFK's HEAD. James Earl Files, at the Grassy Knoll"


lynn

[awake]

When a human being reaches a certain point of fear he simply tries to wish and pray it away. Most people are not ready for the idea that governments historically have attacked their own citizens under the veneer of protecting them. We are swimming in a sea of evidence, both large and small examples, of how the protectors are not protectors at all.

When some one shuts down and throws out the conspiracy theorist label, what they really are saying is that 'I can not psychologically handle what you are saying and I must close down'.

You needn't look any further than a cheating spouse and their unsuspecting and unbelieving partner not accepting with their own eyes the unfaithful acts. Their mind sees it but explains it all away; it closes off to protect itself from fear.

9/11 at the very least shows the absolute systematic failure for a government of any size to protect its citizens. It showed that it is impotent in its stated promise to defend. What people are awaking to is the reality that the government is the predatory intruder already in the house as the phones and lights go dead.

[lynnf]

When a human being reaches a certain point of fear he simply tries to wish and pray it away. Most people are not ready for the idea that governments historically have attacked their own citizens under the veneer of protecting them. We are swimming in a sea of evidence, both large and small examples, of how the protectors are not protectors at all.

When some one shuts down and throws out the conspiracy theorist label, what they really are saying is that 'I can not psychologically handle what you are saying and I must close down'.

You needn't look any further than a cheating spouse and their unsuspecting and unbelieving partner not accepting with their own eyes the unfaithful acts. Their mind sees it but explains it all away; it closes off to protect itself from fear.

9/11 at the very least shows the absolute systematic failure for a government of any size to protect its citizens. It showed that it is impotent in its stated promise to defend. What people are awaking to is the reality that the government is the predatory intruder already in the house as the phones and lights go dead.

we will slap them upside the head with it, and rub their noses in it.

like a substance abuser needs a family intervention, they need an intervention and they are going to get it. it will be pounded into them to the point they can no longer deny it.

lynn

[Fredom101]

the original event is not news, the audio having been broadcast in last couple of years, but it will be a first for network TV.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ventura-in-heated-911-truth-debate-wtc-didnt-collapse-it-exploded.html
...

"The former Governor also gave viewers a teaser regarding the upcoming series of Conspiracy Theory, with a promise of a visual, audible and written confession to the murder of JFK for the first time on network television."


"Professor" Ventura giving a schooling....

http://prisonplanet.com/images/october2010/151010Ventura.jpg

So what. 1 guy got killed. Maybe the government was involved. Nobody should be shocked. Proof of conspiracy will bring us no close to liberty. Move on.

[Anti Federalist]

So what. 1 guy got killed. Maybe the government was involved. Nobody should be shocked. Proof of conspiracy will bring us no close to liberty. Move on.

This mindset baffles me.

Tens of millions of people believe, with all their heart, in the system, they are fully vested in the belief that whatever government does, whatever evil it produces, whatever rights it smashes, are all for the greater good and that the reasons for doing what it does are nothing but benevolent and altruistic.

Nothing but cold, hard, evidence of government's multiple murderous conspiracies will sway that.

Nothing takes the wind out of a drug warrior's sails faster than pointing out, and proving, that government itself is one of the biggest drug dealers out there.

Nothing deflates a "kill 'em all, turn it all into glass parking lot" blowhard faster than pointing out that the same government that they want to unleash genocidal killing power with, was the same government that allowed, by design, your fellow citizens to be killed.

[lynnf]

So what. 1 guy got killed. Maybe the government was involved. Nobody should be shocked. Proof of conspiracy will bring us no close to liberty. Move on.


no, it's not just a "so what". if people realize the government did in Kennedy, they will also realize that 9/11 just might be an inside job! if everyone wakes up to this, there'll be Hell to pay! might just be a "V" moment (for those of you that remember the movie).

lynn

[Peace&Freedom]

So what. 1 guy got killed. Maybe the government was involved. Nobody should be shocked. Proof of conspiracy will bring us no close to liberty. Move on.

What if you were the 1 guy who got killed, or the gestapo was trying to kill? Would it be "so what" then? The "1 guy" was an elected representative of the people, and according our constitutional system the way to properly remove him from office was by way of the ballot box, not the bullet box.

"Let's move on" is what the truckdriver says after he's run over people miles back. That is, easy for him to say. The problem with "move on" is the perpetrators are much better at moving on to new orchestrated blood baths, than we are at getting our republic back, after we got hit by that conspiracy Mac truck.

[BlackTerrel]

For all intents and purposes the CIA killing JFK is the official story. It's what the vast majority of people believe, it's what 99% of movies, and books, and TV shows about the subject have suggested.

I have never looked into the matter but every casual reference I came across whether it was that movie with Kevin Costner or an episode of X-Files or anything I saw always made it out to be CIA or some other government entity.

No one is writing books or movies or TV shows saying it was Oswald.

[jmhudak17]

Personally I believe Lee Harvey Oswald was a nut who acted alone in killing a President.

[emazur]

Even if a govt. conspiracy was proved it won't have much affect b/c the masses will not know about it. Gulf of Tonkin and Pearl Harbor hasn't changed too many many views on the "greatness" of government. I'm not saying pursuing conspiracy theories is a waste of time, but you shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket thinking that "if only we could prove X, then we'd have liberty".

[idirtify]

Even if a govt. conspiracy was proved it won't have much affect b/c the masses will not know about it. Gulf of Tonkin and Pearl Harbor hasn't changed too many many views on the "greatness" of government. I'm not saying pursuing conspiracy theories is a waste of time, but you shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket thinking that "if only we could prove X, then we'd have liberty".

The more evidence of gov corruption is communicated, the more suspicion of government will grow.

Gulf of Tonkin and Pearl Harbor HAS changed LOTS of minds on the "greatness" of government.

"if only we could prove X, then we'd have MORE liberty".

[TruckinMike]

Even if a govt. conspiracy was proved it won't have much affect b/c the masses will not know about it. Gulf of Tonkin and Pearl Harbor hasn't changed too many many views on the "greatness" of government. I'm not saying pursuing conspiracy theories is a waste of time, but you shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket thinking that "if only we could prove X, then we'd have liberty".

The average person has no idea what you are talking about-- "Gulf of Tonkin..Where...what? But I do know all about the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor."

If Joe Schmo knew the facts concerning just those two events the US would be a different place. But the problem is that Joe doesn't know a damn thing.Period.

Dissemination to the masses is key.

TMike

[PreDeadMan]

The more evidence of gov corruption is communicated, the more suspicion of government will grow.

Gulf of Tonkin and Pearl Harbor HAS changed LOTS of minds on the "greatness" of government.

"if only we could prove X, then we'd have MORE liberty".


He's right even if the government outright admitted they did 9/11 or any other conspiracy theory... nothing would change. The people will still be slaves to a government system.... as long as the government keeps stealing from the people it doesn't matter what the people know about the government it will continue to operate and steal and kill.

[emazur]

He's right even if the government outright admitted they did 9/11 or any other conspiracy theory... nothing would change. The people will still be slaves to a government system.... as long as the government keeps stealing from the people it doesn't matter what the people know about the government it will continue to operate and steal and kill.

Holy crap, you're from Lindenhurst? I lived there there until I was 10 - haven't been back in like 20 years, though I still have a grandparent who lives there.

[Fredom101]

This mindset baffles me.

Tens of millions of people believe, with all their heart, in the system, they are fully vested in the belief that whatever government does, whatever evil it produces, whatever rights it smashes, are all for the greater good and that the reasons for doing what it does are nothing but benevolent and altruistic.

Nothing but cold, hard, evidence of government's multiple murderous conspiracies will sway that.

Nothing takes the wind out of a drug warrior's sails faster than pointing out, and proving, that government itself is one of the biggest drug dealers out there.

Nothing deflates a "kill 'em all, turn it all into glass parking lot" blowhard faster than pointing out that the same government that they want to unleash genocidal killing power with, was the same government that allowed, by design, your fellow citizens to be killed.

The government has killed over 1 MILLION innocent Iraqis, and that's not even debated. The government CREATED an incident in the pacific to justify Vietnam, and that's a matter of public record.

Did either of those 2 things change anyone's belief about government, or is government bigger than ever?

My point is that yes, JFK was likely a conspiracy, and so was 9/11, but why do we need to spend any time trying to prove this stuff when the government kills far more people in broad daylight?

[lynnf]

The government has killed over 1 MILLION innocent Iraqis, and that's not even debated. The government CREATED an incident in the pacific to justify Vietnam, and that's a matter of public record.

Did either of those 2 things change anyone's belief about government, or is government bigger than ever?

My point is that yes, JFK was likely a conspiracy, and so was 9/11, but why do we need to spend any time trying to prove this stuff when the government kills far more people in broad daylight?


maybe because people were silent once before and about 6 million jews and others died? no reason to be silent! also, 9/11 was used as the justification for the killing in Iraq, so if that's exposed, then it undercuts that.

lynn

[Fredom101]

maybe because people were silent once before and about 6 million jews and others died? no reason to be silent! also, 9/11 was used as the justification for the killing in Iraq, so if that's exposed, then it undercuts that.

lynn

I disagree. People are well aware of the mass slaughter in the middle east by the US government, but they don't care. Why does proving the murder of 1 person make even a tiny bit of difference, or why would it make anyone change their mind about government? Ever been to 911blogger.com? Most there are complete socialists!

[acptulsa]

I disagree. People are well aware of the mass slaughter in the middle east by the US government, but they don't care. Why does proving the murder of 1 person make even a tiny bit of difference, or why would it make anyone change their mind about government? Ever been to 911blogger.com? Most there are complete socialists!

Maybe because we in America have been conditioned to revere and respect our government's legitimacy because this is presumably a republic and we 'pick our own poison', yet Kennedy seems to have been removed by a banana-republic-style coup d'etat?

[Fredom101]

Maybe because we in America have been conditioned to revere and respect our government's legitimacy because this is presumably a republic and we 'pick our own poison', yet Kennedy seems to have been removed by a banana-republic-style coup d'etat?

What you said is the root of the problem.
We don't need to convince people of conspiracies, we need to convince them that the government's legitimacy is all an illusion.

[paulitics]

He's right even if the government outright admitted they did 9/11 or any other conspiracy theory... nothing would change. The people will still be slaves to a government system.... as long as the government keeps stealing from the people it doesn't matter what the people know about the government it will continue to operate and steal and kill.

People have to trust the government, in order for them to enslave them. It takes cooperation.

[paulitics]

I disagree. People are well aware of the mass slaughter in the middle east by the US government, but they don't care. Why does proving the murder of 1 person make even a tiny bit of difference, or why would it make anyone change their mind about government? Ever been to 911blogger.com? Most there are complete socialists!

They don't care because they have been conditioned to think of those over there as less than human. On the converse, we have been conditioned to believe that American lives are worth more, therefore it is justifiable to torture or murder non- Americans to "save" American lives.

The propaganda techniques are complete opposite, but are the same that any government has used to justify war since the beginning of civilization.

[oyarde]

There were some CIA members involved in the assasination. I have previously listed those names on this board.

[oyarde]

I thought James Files already confessed a few years ago?

Check out the background on Files sometime . I would be hard put to find a stranger one .

[lynnf]

There were some CIA members involved in the assasination. I have previously listed those names on this board.


link, please?

lynn

[idirtify]

He's right even if the government outright admitted they did 9/11 or any other conspiracy theory... nothing would change. The people will still be slaves to a government system.... as long as the government keeps stealing from the people it doesn't matter what the people know about the government it will continue to operate and steal and kill.

No. Government tyranny depends on fooling the people into believing they are generally good. When that belief (or suspension of disbelief) fails, the government begins to fall. No government has withstood a complete lack of public support for very long. It’s all about the education, man, the education!

[oyarde]

link, please?

lynn

Look further up the front page . I bumped it . It gives you most of the names . Files CIA handler was David Atlee Phillips . We were in Laos by 1953 killing Cong. The French left in 54 .Files was listed as assigned to 82nd Airborne , but was in Laos in 59 . He was court martialed for killing two of his men . Was recruited into CIA , charges dropped . In the 50's and 60's we had many guys listed in the 82nd that were in Asia running ops .

[oyarde]

link, please?

lynn

Check pages 8 & 9 on the retired fbi agent says oswald did not kill Kennedy thread .

[idirtify]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=258289&highlight=oswald&page=7

[lynnf]

What you said is the root of the problem.
We don't need to convince people of conspiracies, we need to convince them that the government's legitimacy is all an illusion.

and that is done partly by convincing them that their government has been up to no good, which it has been. have to show them the lies.


lynn

[Akus]

It's all about the education, man, the education!


idirtify, what if people don't want to know?
What if you tell them all the evidence, and they nod their heads, completely agree, huff and puff about our big bad evil govt....


and then go vote for hope and change because some rapper said it's "cool" ("dope", "fly", "tight", etc)?

How do we turn robots back into rational critical thinking human beings?

[reduen]

I disagree. People are well aware of the mass slaughter in the middle east by the US government, but they don't care. Why does proving the murder of 1 person make even a tiny bit of difference, or why would it make anyone change their mind about government? Ever been to 911blogger.com? Most there are complete socialists!

"People are well aware of the mass slaughter in the middle east by the US government, but they don't care."

I CARE..... :(

[CavortingChicken]

When a human being reaches a certain point of fear he simply tries to wish and pray it away. Most people are not ready for the idea that governments historically have attacked their own citizens under the veneer of protecting them. We are swimming in a sea of evidence, both large and small examples, of how the protectors are not protectors at all.

When some one shuts down and throws out the conspiracy theorist label, what they really are saying is that 'I can not psychologically handle what you are saying and I must close down'.

You needn't look any further than a cheating spouse and their unsuspecting and unbelieving partner not accepting with their own eyes the unfaithful acts. Their mind sees it but explains it all away; it closes off to protect itself from fear.

9/11 at the very least shows the absolute systematic failure for a government of any size to protect its citizens. It showed that it is impotent in its stated promise to defend. What people are awaking to is the reality that the government is the predatory intruder already in the house as the phones and lights go dead.

great points!

[idirtify]

idirtify, what if people don't want to know?
What if you tell them all the evidence, and they nod their heads, completely agree, huff and puff about our big bad evil govt....


and then go vote for hope and change because some rapper said it's "cool" ("dope", "fly", "tight", etc)?

How do we turn robots back into rational critical thinking human beings?

Well now you are getting into the complex details of education regarding human psychology and emotion, which is a big subject. Of courser it’s harder to teach old dogs new tricks, but don’t underestimate the teaching power of internet technology and the “critical-mass” phenomenon. Society learning rates for new information are excruciatingly slow until a certain percentile is reached. At that point, peer pressure takes effect and the new knowledge becomes faddish; and the sheep will follow. Just remember that a large part of what most people believe is mostly a result of what their peer groups believe.

Bottom line: liberty doesn’t require that everyone becomes a “rational critical thinking human being” (thankfully).

[Peace&Freedom]

I hope the JFK episode will mention the most recent biography of RFK which disclosed, 45 years later, that Bobby believed his brother was killed by a conspiracy from the weekend of JFK's assassination. While keeping quiet about it for political reasons, RFK was even given a preliminary briefing by one of his assistants at Justice about the plot, possible mob involvement, and the movements of Jack Ruby in the week prior to the shooting. Hey, if your brother was the President and you were the AG, wouldn't you be on top of the investigation from jump? Duh.

[oyarde]

I hope the JFK episode will mention the most recent biography of RFK which disclosed, 45 years later, that Bobby believed his brother was killed by a conspiracy from the weekend of JFK's assassination. While keeping quiet about it for political reasons, RFK was even given a preliminary briefing by one of his assistants at Justice about the plot, possible mob involvement, and the movements of Jack Ruby in the week prior to the shooting. Hey, if your brother was the President and you were the AG, wouldn't you be on top of the investigation from jump? Duh.

There was mob involvment .

[osan]

When some one shuts down and throws out the conspiracy theorist label, what they really are saying is that 'I can not psychologically handle what you are saying and I must close down'.

Absolutely so. Well stated.

[Akus]

Well now you are getting into the complex details of education regarding human psychology and emotion, which is a big subject. Of courser it’s harder to teach old dogs new tricks, but don’t underestimate the teaching power of internet technology and the “critical-mass” phenomenon. Society learning rates for new information are excruciatingly slow until a certain percentile is reached. At that point, peer pressure takes effect and the new knowledge becomes faddish; and the sheep will follow. Just remember that a large part of what most people believe is mostly a result of what their peer groups believe.

Bottom line: liberty doesn’t require that everyone becomes a “rational critical thinking human being” (thankfully).
Well, you're entitled to that opinion I guess. Me, I'll just pick my battles and focus on my personal educational enrichment and maturing. I will talk to people about concepts of freedom and what not, but I will not bang my head into mush against the wall in vain hope that the so-called "old dog" decides to even try a "new trick".

This is why I personally think the entire RP movement needs to abandon GOP and join Libertarians. Instead of spending energy on people who worship GWB and think Obama has cooties, we can spend energy taking over offices of power, however small and marginal.

But, I am no one to tell you what to do.