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Reason
10-14-2010, 10:44 PM
[VIDEO] ~ US Soldiers beat/torture fellow US soldier as punishment for alerting authorities about mass murder & torture of civilians...

YouTube - 'Killing For Sport' Whistle-Blower Silenced By Pentagon! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mxmala-5Ow)

Details of the events the soldier blew the whistle on...

http://www.digitaljournal.com/print/article/297325 (http://www.digitaljournal.com/print/article/297325)

Twelve American soldiers are facing charges over their involvement in a secret “kill team” that is alleged to have randomly blown up and shot Afghan civilians, posing beside the dead bodies for pictures, and then taking fingers as war trophies.

Charging sheets (http://www.scribd.com/doc/37165756/Strykers-Charging-Documents-source-prod-Affiliate-5) obtained from the US Army show five soldiers charged with using grenades and firearms to murder three Afghan civilian men.

They are listed as Staff Sgt Calvin Gibbs, Cpl Jeremy Morlock, Pte First Class Andrew Holmes, Specialist Adam Winfield and Specialist Michael Wagnon.

Seven others were accused of stabbing an Afghan corpse, possessing or taking pictures of casualties and beating other personnel in efforts to cover up the incidents.

Reason
10-15-2010, 10:11 AM
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RM918
10-15-2010, 12:19 PM
I hate it when people attack all U.S. soldiers as murderers even though they're just being misled with good intentions, but actions like this look more like a street gang than a professional military.

Acala
10-15-2010, 12:46 PM
A real army in combat is like a plague of brutality, death and destruction. It tries to the best of its ability to turn human beings into killing machines. And it does a pretty good job. You cannot make an army in combat anything other than brutal and destructive. A real army WILL rape, steal, destroy, and kill. This is covered up, glossed over, and hidden from public view. But it is the reality of combat. Combat cannot be made civilized.

This is why it is so critically important to restrict the use of military force to situations where the survival of the country is truly at stake. Only then can you be morally justified in unleashing the terror of a real army.

oyarde
10-15-2010, 12:56 PM
I do not think I have ever seen anyone charged with stabbing a corpse before .

Wesker1982
10-15-2010, 01:10 PM
Pretty sad but not surprising.

Reason
10-16-2010, 08:26 PM
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purplechoe
10-16-2010, 08:35 PM
this is the first I heard about this case:

YouTube - "Killing For Sport" U.S. Troops Charged With Murder For Killing Of Afghans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3NrrXzfz98)

it's sad what happened to him... :mad:

Vessol
10-16-2010, 08:52 PM
A real army in combat is like a plague of brutality, death and destruction. It tries to the best of its ability to turn human beings into killing machines. And it does a pretty good job. You cannot make an army in combat anything other than brutal and destructive. A real army WILL rape, steal, destroy, and kill. This is covered up, glossed over, and hidden from public view. But it is the reality of combat. Combat cannot be made civilized.

This is why it is so critically important to restrict the use of military force to situations where the survival of the country is truly at stake. Only then can you be morally justified in unleashing the terror of a real army.

Occupations are little better. The only way I can see a military not operating like this would be during a defensive war.

As for the story..the guy is lucky he wasn't fragged. That's the norm in situations like this. He meets an untimely end during "patrol". Happened in Vietnam all the time.

Live_Free_Or_Die
10-17-2010, 03:40 AM
I have the feeling PFC Stoner is going to get dicked. To have two conflicting offical statements is the tell tale sign.

Which is it immunity or not?

Has a cause formed around the plight of PFC Stoner yet?

Acala
10-17-2010, 05:31 AM
Occupations are little better. The only way I can see a military not operating like this would be during a defensive war.

As for the story..the guy is lucky he wasn't fragged. That's the norm in situations like this. He meets an untimely end during "patrol". Happened in Vietnam all the time.

Occupations are, if anything, worse. You take an army trained for killing and destruction and put them in a situation where they are surrounded by people that look like the enemy you were trained to kill but you are not supposed to hurt them. Doesn't work.