Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill): Taxpayers Have an 'Obligation' to Fund Abortions

[FrankRep]

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Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill): Taxpayers Have an 'Obligation' to Fund Abortions (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/congresswoman-taxpayers-have-an-obligation-to-fund-abortions/)


The Blaze (http://www.theblaze.com/)
September 29, 2010


YouTube - Congresswoman Wants To Repeal Hyde Amendment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2D1eWtWf2s)


Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., not only believes that women should be able to choose whether or not to terminate a pregnancy, but also favors a full repeal of existing federal policy (http://www.nchla.org/datasource/ifactsheets/4FSHydeAm22a.08.pdf) which limits taxpayer funding for abortions. According to the Illinois Democrat, “there’s no evidence” that increasing access to abortion services encourages people to get abortions.

CNSNews.com (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/75901)‘s Nichola Ballasy caught up with the congresswoman today during an event on Capitol Hill sponsored by the Center for Reproductive Freedom to ask her about call for the repeal of the Hyde Amendment. When asked about whether access to abortion may encourage more women to take the drastic step, Rep. Schakowsky replied, “No, there’s no evidence of that around the world, where access to abortion is more available but somehow women are more inclined to get one.”

“What happens is that women who don’t have access resort, as we heard today, to very dangerous, self-inflicted kinds of things in order to end, terminate the pregnancy,” she said. “And so, you know, we go back to back alley abortions. We go back to coat hangers. And, I mean, is that what we want?”

“Women who are desperate enough to do that to themselves are going to somehow – going to try to abort that pregnancy. We don’t want to do that. We don’t want to put women at greater risk.”


SOURCE:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/congresswoman-taxpayers-have-an-obligation-to-fund-abortions/

[Noob]

Sounds like China would make a great home for her.

[FrankRep]

Background on Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill):



Jan Schakowsky today is a member of the Democratic Progressive Caucus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus#Illinois) in the House of Representatives. The Almanac of American Politics describes (http://www.nationaljournal.com/almanac//almanac/person/jan-schakowsky-il/) her as "an outspoken progressive" and has the "most liberal voting records in the House and regularly scores perfect ratings from liberal interest groups."

"I don't think I can be defined as too far left in a district like this," says Schakowsky, who once told (http://voteoutschakowsky.com/why_retire_jan) a writer for the local Democratic Socialists of America (http://www.dsausa.org/) (DSA): "The American people are not ideological; therefore, the way to go is to attack private power." Schakowsky once received an award from DSA (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=8464), which is the chief American arm of the Socialist International (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/europe-mainmenu-35/2947-the-grasp-of-socialist-international).



Note: The Democratic Progressive Caucus has strong ties to the Democratic Socialists of America. Learn More (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257069)


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Jan Schakowsky: Charles Rangel is "My Leader"
YouTube - Jan Schakowsky: Charles Rangel is "my leader" - Pollak For Congress (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiv6mam60oE)


In her speech, Schakowsky honored "my leader, Charlie Rangel" and said: "People may look to see how I vote, but that's 'cause I look first at how Charlie's voting."

* Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) Charged by House Ethics Committee; Ethics Violations (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/4119-rangel-charged-by-house-ethics-committee)

[oyarde]

Typical Illinois communist .

[ChaosControl]

Taxpayers have an obligation to abort this ***** from congress.

[nate895]

Taxpayers have an obligation to abort this ***** from congress.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[oyarde]

I couldn't have said it better myself.

yes !

[LibForestPaul]

"A constitutional right was established..."

Interesting wording

vs

"A natural right was recognized" -my view

vs

"A federal usurpation of states right was undertaken and upheld" -hard libertarian/mini-anarchist view

Since when do rights get established?

[specsaregood]

What happens is that women who don’t have access resort, as we heard today, to very dangerous, self-inflicted kinds of things in order to end, terminate the pregnancy,” she said. “And so, you know, we go back to back alley abortions. We go back to coat hangers. And, I mean, is that what we want?”


Yes, and If I don't have govt paid access to liposuction, I might resort to the dangerous method of using a box cutter and my home hoover vaccuum.

[EvilEngineer]

It annoys me that the concept of people being responsible and not getting pregnant in the first place is not emphasized.

Abortion will happen, this I accept, regardless if it is legal or not. However the tax payers have NO responsibility to pay for someone else's lack of self control.

[Humanae Libertas]

Reminds me of Obama's illegal aunt :

YouTube - President Obama's Aunt Zeituni Onyango 'This Country Is Owned By Almighty God' - wbztv.com.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBzjLnO-e3o)

[jkr]

bite my ass u evil bitch

kill yourself

please

tonight


ugh!

WHAT PLANET ARE THESE "PEOPLE" FROM?

[LibForestPaul]

Reminds me of Obama's illegal aunt :

YouTube - President Obama's Aunt Zeituni Onyango 'This Country Is Owned By Almighty God' - wbztv.com.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBzjLnO-e3o)

Thanks, just what I needed...
not even angry...just more certainty where this country is headed...

[Noob]

Thanks, just what I needed...
not even angry...just more certainty where this country is headed...
She probably wants to be treated like royalty since she is Obama's ant and he lives in the White house. It won't surprise me if that turn out to be the case.

[lester1/2jr]

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[osan]

Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., not only believes that women should be able to choose whether or not to terminate a pregnancy, but also favors a full repeal of existing federal policy (http://www.nchla.org/datasource/ifactsheets/4FSHydeAm22a.08.pdf) which limits taxpayer funding for abortions. According to the Illinois Democrat, “there’s no evidence” that increasing access to abortion services encourages people to get abortions.

I fully support the right to choose. Many here hold a strongly differing opinion. We don't have to agree. But I vehemently oppose taxpayer funding not only for all the obvious theft-related reasons, but also from the standpoint of respecting those who believe that it is murder. The unmitigated nerve of anyone who would force another to pony up money for the purposes of supporting state-sponsored murder is unacceptable in any way or degree. Imagine you knew some guy down the road was going to kill his wife and the law forced you to pay for the knife he would use to carry out the deed. I don't think any reasonable person would side against your objection, yet one's strongly analogous basis for objecting to being forced to fund another sort of murder merits no respect. What the hell is that?


(http://cnsnews.com/news/article/75901)CNSNews.com (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/75901)‘s Nichola Ballasy caught up with the congresswoman today during an event on Capitol Hill sponsored by the Center for Reproductive Freedom to ask her about call for the repeal of the Hyde Amendment. When asked about whether access to abortion may encourage more women to take the drastic step, Rep. Schakowsky replied, “No, there’s no evidence of that around the world, where access to abortion is more available but somehow women are more inclined to get one.”

Excuse me, but that is absolute fucking bullshit and I know first hand. During the communist years abortion was fully funded by "the state" in Hungary and women used abortion there as a primary form of birth control. I am sure there are statistics on this available. The imbecile representative might do herself some good with a little research.


“What happens is that women who don’t have access resort, as we heard today, to very dangerous, self-inflicted kinds of things in order to end, terminate the pregnancy,” she said. “And so, you know, we go back to back alley abortions. We go back to coat hangers. And, I mean, is that what we want?”

More bullshit. Pregnancy is easily terminated with a rag and iodine. That is how they were done in parts of Europe decades ago.

Oh how I despise these lying vermin.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Stupid twat. Hope she gets thrown out of office.

[Imaginos]

bite my ass u evil bitch

kill yourself

please

tonight


ugh!

WHAT PLANET ARE THESE "PEOPLE" FROM?
Planet Parasite?
By the way, we have to abolish all the welfare programs and that is the only solution to repel these parasites.

[reillym]

I fully support the right to choose. Many here hold a strongly differing opinion. We don't have to agree. But I vehemently oppose taxpayer funding not only for all the obvious theft-related reasons, but also from the standpoint of respecting those who believe that it is murder. The unmitigated nerve of anyone who would force another to pony up money for the purposes of supporting state-sponsored murder is unacceptable in any way or degree. Imagine you knew some guy down the road was going to kill his wife and the law forced you to pay for the knife he would use to carry out the deed. I don't think any reasonable person would side against your objection, yet one's strongly analogous basis for objecting to being forced to fund another sort of murder merits no respect. What the hell is that?

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Excuse me, but that is absolute fucking bullshit and I know first hand. During the communist years abortion was fully funded by "the state" in Hungary and women used abortion there as a primary form of birth control. I am sure there are statistics on this available. The imbecile representative might do herself some good with a little research.



More bullshit. Pregnancy is easily terminated with a rag and iodine. That is how they were done in parts of Europe decades ago.

Oh how I despise these lying vermin.

A rag and iodine? What?? Terminates pregnancy?

Abortion, under law, isn't murder. So taxes should help it. Just because a select group of people use an old fiction book (bible) to base their decisions doesnt mean we have all have to suffer.

It's the 21st century.

[reillym]

1. Abortion is legal.
2. Any state-funding healthcare system that is also deemed legal should cover ANY medical procedure.
3. She's right.
4. If you don't like abortions, don't get one. Don't scream at me because your bible tells you that your fairy in the sky doesn't like abortions. It's 2010, people.

[Legend1104]

1. Abortion is legal.
2. Any state-funding healthcare system that is also deemed legal should cover ANY medical procedure.
3. She's right.
4. If you don't like abortions, don't get one. Don't scream at me because your bible tells you that your fairy in the sky doesn't like abortions. It's 2010, people.

You don't seem to make a distinction. Are you talking about all abortions or do you believe that all abortions are ok and not murder because that would include all types like partial birth, and if you think that the only people that believe that is murder are fairy worshippers then you are the crazy one. Besides from a liberty stand point it is immoral for anyone to be required to pay for anything they think is wrong or disagree with, but I guess you would probably be ok with state funded churches. I mean the majority of Americans are fairy worshippers so it would be insane to not do this just because of a few non-believers.

[James Madison]

1. Abortion is legal.
2. Any state-funding healthcare system that is also deemed legal should cover ANY medical procedure.
3. She's right.
4. If you don't like abortions, don't get one. Don't scream at me because your bible tells you that your fairy in the sky doesn't like abortions. It's 2010, people.

1. Nobody mentioned religion as justification for outlawing abortion
2. Why do you insult religion in every post?
3. Why do you support Ron Paul, a man who believes in this so-called 'fairy in the sky'?

[Promontorium]

2. Any state-funding healthcare system that is also deemed legal should cover ANY medical procedure.

Why?

What is your moral argument that tax payers should have to pay for literally anything someone can think to do to their body?

If I want gold-plating covering my back, that is "ANY medical procedure".


I contend you have no argument.


Edit: I struck "rational" from my last sentence. I don't believe you have any argument at all, let alone rational. You are just a troll. I'm pro-choice, and an Atheist, and I was still thrown off by your ignorant hostility. Even communist don't promote a "carte blanche" clause in medical procedures. Just about the most childish view of governmet possible 'everything you ever want should be 100% free!'

This is 2010, and I can't see your birthdate straying too far back.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

2. Any state-funding healthcare system that is also deemed legal should cover ANY medical procedure.
3. She's right.

Another person who wants the government to rob people of their money to fund something they like but isn't a legit business of the federal government. Wrong forum. Take it to Daily Kos or something.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

1. Abortion is legal.

So is throwing someone who had 1oz of a plant on him in a cage to be brutalized, raped and murdered. That doesn't make it moral or ethical, let alone right.


2. Any state-funding healthcare system that is also deemed legal should cover ANY medical procedure.

9th Amendment to the united States Constitution blows that particular argument out of the water. States do not have the power nor the right to fund healthcare under the 10th Amendment.


3. She's right.

No, she is not.


4. If you don't like abortions, don't get one. Don't scream at me because your bible tells you that your fairy in the sky doesn't like abortions. It's 2010, people.

You might want to crack open a college biology textbook sometime. Life, biologically speaking, begins at conception. Consciousness begins when pathways are added in the brain between the 6th and 10th Week after conception. If we're deader than fucking fried chicken and no longer a natural person when our brain croaks, why the fuck would it be considered any different when our neural pathways begin?

[JamalianTheory]

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North Suburbs.

Yeah, I could see these people voting for her, but only because the people in her district are hardcore leftists. God I hate everything north of downtown.

Oh yeah, and a lot of these people, especially from Wilmette, got MONEY!

[JamalianTheory]

1. Abortion is legal.
2. Any state-funding healthcare system that is also deemed legal should cover ANY medical procedure.
3. She's right.
4. If you don't like abortions, don't get one. Don't scream at me because your bible tells you that your fairy in the sky doesn't like abortions. It's 2010, people.

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[nobody's_hero]

I like how she brought up the fact (around the 1:00 mark) that people who don't support something might just end up not paying taxes if we "go down that road." Then everyone will just stop paying taxes whenever government does something they don't approve of, like wars or whatever.

I mean, that would be terrible. Oh man, we don't want that to happen, do we? :p

EDIT: And why is it that people who advocate for abortion say that it is a 'hard choice to make' for women? I believe it is, don't get me wrong, but isn't that, in itself, some acknowledgement that there is a living person (or blob of tissue, what-have-you, etc.) inside of them, and that terminating the pregnancy might have lasting effects?

If someone fundamentally believed that an embryo was nothing and meant nothing, then it should be a relatively cut-and-paste, thoughtless procedure, wouldn't you think?

(This is an argument I borrowed from libertariansforlife.org (http://www.l4l.org/gary/index.html), and one that I found to be philosophically thought-provoking)

[oyarde]

The thought that as a free citizen I should pay for any abortion other than my own is so ridiculous that I cannot take anyone seriously that believes this .

[JamalianTheory]

EDIT: And why is it that people who advocate for abortion say that it is a 'hard choice to make' for women? I believe it is, don't get me wrong, but isn't that, in itself, some acknowledgement that there is a living person (or blob of tissue, what-have-you, etc.) inside of them, and that terminating the pregnancy might have lasting effects?

If someone fundamentally believed that an embryo was nothing and meant nothing, then it should be a relatively cut-and-paste, thoughtless procedure, wouldn't you think?

(This is an argument I borrowed from libertariansforlife.org (http://www.l4l.org/gary/index.html), and one that I found to be philosophically thought-provoking)

Naw man, you right.

To be able to acknowledge the consequences of your own actions is the hard path. People have sex and they know GOD DAMN WELL that it may lead to pregnancy. That's just the risk you take.

I don't know why the excuse of, "Oh shit, I'm pregnant. But I'm not ready for this baby. What should I do? Oh that's easy, abort an innocent life-form..." is even valid.

I am no follower of any religion and even I can understand that.

The "It's my body and I can choose what I do with it." goes out the window when it's a consequence of a completely voluntary action. No one told your dumbass to get pregnant. You had to consent to unsafe sex in order for that pregnancy to take place. And no contraceptives are 100% effective. So that excuse doesn't jive with me either.

You take a risk. If you get dealt a bad hand, you deal with it. Whether father or mother, it doesn't matter. Murder is not acceptable in my moral standards. People need to get the fuck out of here with that shit.

And also, I don't get the argument of where life starts. It starts at conception. Any other answer is just bullshit. My cousin told me, "Well, the baby won't remember it anyways." Well of course, because if you abort it, it's dead. But I told her, "Well do you remember anything from when you were 6 months old?" She said no, and I said, "So I guess it would have been acceptable to abort you at that age." She immediately shut up.