dannno
09-28-2010, 01:36 PM
This is how you educate socialists.
Universal Healthcare Forum "where the rubber gloves meet the road" featuring local physicians and The Mad As Hell Doctors. This educational event will explain how "Obamacare" was bare minimum reform, and that universal healthcare for all Americans is essential to improve quality of life, reduce expenditures (both out-of-pocket and 15% of national GDP), save Medicare, improve patients' health outcomes and bring human life expectancy up to that of our overseas friends.
My reply:
"bring human life expectancy up to that of our overseas friends."
Do you think that the higher life expectancy is a result of socialized medicine or the fact that these countries have rejected many of the factory farm style food production methods, genetically modified foods, transfats, high fructose corn syrup and many other types of processed foods that have been shown to be highly detrimental to human health (not to mention highly subsidized by our government)?
What if, instead of stealing from some individuals and forcing them to pay for others' ridiculously expensive healthcare and continuing to feed the medical industrial complex who lobbies congress for legislation, like that which you advocate, that brings prices even higher... WHAT IF we instead were able to bring the costs of healthcare down to the point where nearly everybody could afford it themselves, and those who couldn't were taken care of as people were in the past because it would be so much less expensive for society to do so?
Are you aware that government intervention into healthcare is the reason why health care is so incredibly expensive today? The main cause is corporatized healthcare. Since the 70s, corporations have received tax incentives to insure their workers. The problem is that individuals don't get the same tax breaks. That means there are no incentive for individuals to buy health insurance that suits their needs, so they are forced to shop for healthcare through their place of employment. This causes young and healthy individuals as well as old unhealthy individuals to fully insure themselves for doctors visits, medicine and all sorts of procedures. Competition disappears and the medical industrial complex can charge whatever it wants because individuals don't care how much their procedures cost, their insurance company (aka everybody else) is paying for it. The medical industrial complex has lobbied for individuals to be insulated from paying for their health services with the primary goal of exacerbating prices in some cases as much as 100 fold or more. How is the government supposed to decide what the cost of a particular procedure should be? Why give them the power to do so when we know they are just going to get paid off by the corporations to raise those prices so they can make more money? Asking government to lower health care costs is impossible. The only way costs can truly go down is when the market is free to produce goods and services uninhibited, and individuals have the choice of where to buy these goods and services.
The #1 reason why people have problems insuring pre-existing is due to changing their employment. That is another major unintended consequence of our corporatized healthcare system.
You may be wondering why somebody who is advocating free market ideas is using words like corporatized so much. Don't people who advocate free market ideas just like big corporations and want them to take over? No, that's actually the furthest thing from the truth, although it is precisely what the CORPORATE media will have you believe. Big corporations derive their power and their ability to exploit populations ONLY through government mandates and regulations. Corporations are the ones who lobbied for environmental regulations in the beginning of the Industrial Revolution because the government was protecting property rights of individuals whose property had been polluted by industry. The corporations created environmental regulations so they would stop being sued, and the government ultimately allowed industry to pollute, essentially regulating how much they are allowed to damage our waterways, air and private property.
The only job the government should be doing is protecting private property (environment), protecting individuals from fraud, theft and injury, enforcing voluntary contracts and protecting us from exterior threats (military - not to be confused with expanding our overseas empire or policing the world). This would take away all the power that the corporations have in our country today and allow individuals to prosper. All detrimental monopolies are created by government mandates and policies, they don't exist in a truly free market. The dialectic used in the media today, and the generally uneducated Republicans shouldn't be a factor in this discussion as they are all apart of a rouse with the goal of an elite controlled state and corporate run society.
I could go on all day, but I'll leave it at that for now.
Universal Healthcare Forum "where the rubber gloves meet the road" featuring local physicians and The Mad As Hell Doctors. This educational event will explain how "Obamacare" was bare minimum reform, and that universal healthcare for all Americans is essential to improve quality of life, reduce expenditures (both out-of-pocket and 15% of national GDP), save Medicare, improve patients' health outcomes and bring human life expectancy up to that of our overseas friends.
My reply:
"bring human life expectancy up to that of our overseas friends."
Do you think that the higher life expectancy is a result of socialized medicine or the fact that these countries have rejected many of the factory farm style food production methods, genetically modified foods, transfats, high fructose corn syrup and many other types of processed foods that have been shown to be highly detrimental to human health (not to mention highly subsidized by our government)?
What if, instead of stealing from some individuals and forcing them to pay for others' ridiculously expensive healthcare and continuing to feed the medical industrial complex who lobbies congress for legislation, like that which you advocate, that brings prices even higher... WHAT IF we instead were able to bring the costs of healthcare down to the point where nearly everybody could afford it themselves, and those who couldn't were taken care of as people were in the past because it would be so much less expensive for society to do so?
Are you aware that government intervention into healthcare is the reason why health care is so incredibly expensive today? The main cause is corporatized healthcare. Since the 70s, corporations have received tax incentives to insure their workers. The problem is that individuals don't get the same tax breaks. That means there are no incentive for individuals to buy health insurance that suits their needs, so they are forced to shop for healthcare through their place of employment. This causes young and healthy individuals as well as old unhealthy individuals to fully insure themselves for doctors visits, medicine and all sorts of procedures. Competition disappears and the medical industrial complex can charge whatever it wants because individuals don't care how much their procedures cost, their insurance company (aka everybody else) is paying for it. The medical industrial complex has lobbied for individuals to be insulated from paying for their health services with the primary goal of exacerbating prices in some cases as much as 100 fold or more. How is the government supposed to decide what the cost of a particular procedure should be? Why give them the power to do so when we know they are just going to get paid off by the corporations to raise those prices so they can make more money? Asking government to lower health care costs is impossible. The only way costs can truly go down is when the market is free to produce goods and services uninhibited, and individuals have the choice of where to buy these goods and services.
The #1 reason why people have problems insuring pre-existing is due to changing their employment. That is another major unintended consequence of our corporatized healthcare system.
You may be wondering why somebody who is advocating free market ideas is using words like corporatized so much. Don't people who advocate free market ideas just like big corporations and want them to take over? No, that's actually the furthest thing from the truth, although it is precisely what the CORPORATE media will have you believe. Big corporations derive their power and their ability to exploit populations ONLY through government mandates and regulations. Corporations are the ones who lobbied for environmental regulations in the beginning of the Industrial Revolution because the government was protecting property rights of individuals whose property had been polluted by industry. The corporations created environmental regulations so they would stop being sued, and the government ultimately allowed industry to pollute, essentially regulating how much they are allowed to damage our waterways, air and private property.
The only job the government should be doing is protecting private property (environment), protecting individuals from fraud, theft and injury, enforcing voluntary contracts and protecting us from exterior threats (military - not to be confused with expanding our overseas empire or policing the world). This would take away all the power that the corporations have in our country today and allow individuals to prosper. All detrimental monopolies are created by government mandates and policies, they don't exist in a truly free market. The dialectic used in the media today, and the generally uneducated Republicans shouldn't be a factor in this discussion as they are all apart of a rouse with the goal of an elite controlled state and corporate run society.
I could go on all day, but I'll leave it at that for now.