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amy31416
09-27-2010, 10:43 PM
This guy is a favorite of the Republican/neocons, and will surely be an Iran War champion.

We have got to figure out a way to keep bastards like this from getting into office.



http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/09/27/ilario_pantano_congress/index.html

An ex-Marine who killed two unarmed Iraqis and embraces Islamophobia could wind up in Congress
By Justin Elliott

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Ex-Marine who killed unarmed Iraqis has real shot in House race
AP
Ilario Pantano

In a race that has largely been flying under the national radar, a former Marine who killed two unarmed Iraqi prisoners in 2004 and who has made the threat of Islam and the "ground zero mosque" centerpieces of his campaign has a real shot at being elected to Congress.

Republican Ilario Pantano, 39, is taking on incumbent Mike McIntyre, a seven-term conservative Democrat, in North Carolina's 7th District, which takes in the state's southeast corner. If Pantano wins, he would surely be one of the most compelling -- and right-wing -- members of Congress. He told Salon in an interview Friday, for example, that he welcomes the endorsement of the far-right blogger and anti-Islam activist Pamela Geller.

Though there haven't been recent polls on the race, two local political analysts told Salon that Pantano has a real shot, and the National Republican Congressional Committee recently started buying ads in the race after naming Pantano one of its top-tier "Young Guns." While McIntyre has represented it since 1997, the 7th District actually voted for John McCain by 5 points in 2008.

Pantano's biography has made him an irresistible subject for newspaper and magazine profiles even before this campaign (see, for example, this New York magazine cover story (http://nymag.com/print/?/nymetro/news/people/features/11774/)) and would almost certainly make him a darling of the neoconservative wing of the GOP if he is elected.

Pantano, who describes himself as a "born-again Christian and a born-again Southerner," grew up in Manhattan, where he went to a fancy private high school on scholarship and then on to the Marines during the first Gulf War. When he got back, he went to NYU and worked as a trader at Goldman Sachs for a few years before becoming a consultant. He was in the city on Sept. 11, and that's when he decided to rejoin the Marines. He was sent to Iraq.

It was there that, in a disputed April 2004 incident south of Baghdad, Pantano killed two unarmed Iraqi prisoners, Hamaady Kareem and Tahah Ahmead Hanjil. The incident occurred after the two men had been arrested as suspected insurgents and Pantano directed them to search their own car. According to Pantano's version of events, the men moved toward him in a threatening way and he opened fire in self-defense, shooting up to 60 rounds and killing both of them. He then put a sign next to the bodies with a Marine slogan: "No better friend, no worse enemy." Pantano told New York magazine: "I believed that by firing the number of rounds that I did, I was sending a message" to other potential insurgents. [And he went on to write a book about it and cash in...]


In 2005, Pantano was formally accused of premeditated murder, partly on the strength of testimony of other Marines present during the incident who believed it was not justified. But after a series of hearings, the military brass agreed with Pantano's version of events and he was cleared of the murder charges.

By that time, Pantano's ordeal had became a cause célèbre among conservative media like the Washington Times, which reported on the ins and outs of the trial. His cause was championed by talk radio host Michael Savage and others who felt the U.S. military had no business prosecuting one of its own over the killings of Iraqis. Capitalizing on that publicity, Pantano wrote with a co-author a book on his experiences, "Warlord: No Better Friend, No Worse Enemy." On the ensuing book tour, he charmed many of his interviewers, including Jon Stewart (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-july-10-2006/ilario-pantano).

Pantano took some criticism last week for editing a reference to the killings out of news clips he was using in a campaign ad. But one of the remarkable things about the campaign in North Carolina this year is that the murder charges are not only not an issue, but have barely even been talked about.

David McLennan, a political scientist at North Carolina's Peace College, told Salon that the issue could backfire for McIntyre, the Democratic incumbent, particularly in a district with a large ex-military population.

"There are some people in the district who consider Pantano to be a hero. For McIntyre to raise that issue is just way too delicate," McLennan says.

Some of the only criticism of Pantano's past has ironically come from the man he beat in the GOP primary, fellow Iraq war vet Will Breazeale. He told the Daily Beast after his primary loss that he considers Pantano "dangerous," adding: "I’ve taken prisoners in Iraq and there’s no excuse for what he did."

Asked by Salon if he is surprised that his critics have largely ignored the Iraq incident, Pantano was defiant. "If they want to question my war effort -- if they think that's prudent, they can go ahead ... I've served my country proudly in two wars."

His campaign has focused to an unusual extent on opposing the Park51 Islamic community center project in New York, which he refers to as a "Martyr Marker" that's really about "territorial conquest."

"If they think that the threat of inflaming the Muslim street is enough for Americans to back down, they're deluding themselves," he said. "We have our own street to worry about being inflamed."

Or as he wrote in a Daily Caller Op-Ed over the summer that connected the mosque organizers to the threat from Iran and the Gaza flotilla:

If Mosques go up like mushrooms everywhere there is a bombing or a shooting we will create a perverse incentive, not a deterrent. This mosque at Ground Zero will serve as a big Trojan trophy; and we are welcoming it?

This kind of rhetoric has attracted the enthusiastic support of Pamela Geller, the blogger who leads a group called Stop the Islamization of America and who played a key role in creating the "ground zero mosque" controversy. Most candidates might tread carefully when dealing with a Geller (among the conspiracies she subscribes to is a theory that Malcolm X is President Obama's real father).

But not Pantano.

Geller's endorsement is proudly reprinted on his website. "I very much appreciate Pamela Geller's endorsement," Pantano told Salon, calling her a "patriot."

He said he had no qualms about speaking at an anti-mosque rally on Sept. 11 near ground zero earlier this month with Geller and other controversial figures like Geert Wilders, a Dutch parliamentarian who advocates restricting civil liberties for Muslims.

Says Pantano of the mosque issue and his campaign: "I see this as a war for the heart of our country."

Here he is speaking at ground zero, introduced by Geller:

* Justin Elliott is a Salon reporter. Reach him by email at jelliott@salon.com and follow him on Twitter @ElliottJus


Well, you don't see many neocons who actually put their ass on the line, I'll give him that. It amazes me that they call us extremists...Jesus Christ.

I know there's a lot of debate on who is and isn't a neocon--but this guy has got to be a clear-cut case, right?

Kotin
09-27-2010, 10:54 PM
The Neocon's Neocon...?

ammorris
09-27-2010, 11:07 PM
There are some folks who are intellectual neoconservatives, and then there are others who are flat-out crazy. This guy is a psychotic nutjob.

newyearsrevolution08
09-27-2010, 11:16 PM
sounds perfect for the current gop

shoot first
ask questions well, never
just keep shooting

oyarde
09-28-2010, 06:05 PM
Curious , is there any polling data on this race anywhere ?

oyarde
09-28-2010, 06:08 PM
Anyone know anything about this Justin Elliot that wrote the article ? I noticed he called the seven term opponent a "conservative democrat" .

Imperial
09-28-2010, 07:41 PM
I know somebody who at some point was involved with his campaign. They were very excited that he was doing well enough to soon get into the NRCC's Young Guns program.

TC95
09-28-2010, 08:10 PM
Ya think he'll get Palin's endorsement?

It sickens me that he calls himself a born again Christian after killing two unarmed Iraqis. He's about as born again ad G.W. Bush and Obama.

amy31416
09-28-2010, 08:26 PM
Ya think he'll get Palin's endorsement?

It sickens me that he calls himself a born again Christian after killing two unarmed Iraqis. He's about as born again ad G.W. Bush and Obama.

That was one of the most disturbing things to me as well. And he didn't just kill them, he unloaded 60 clips into them to intentionally terrorize other people.

oyarde
09-28-2010, 08:30 PM
That was one of the most disturbing things to me as well. And he didn't just kill them, he unloaded 60 clips into them to intentionally terrorize other people.

Sixty rounds would be two thirty round clips . Meaning he changed clips and emptied another clip into an unarmed and already dead person. Now , if he was using a twenty round clip for some reason , three clips .

amy31416
09-28-2010, 08:50 PM
Sixty rounds would be two thirty round clips . Meaning he changed clips and emptied another clip into an unarmed and already dead person. Now , if he was using a twenty round clip for some reason , three clips .

Oops. I'm a gun retard. I meant "rounds."

And....Jesus Christ. Which is more common? 20 or 30 round clips? Just out of morbid curiosity.

The "mindset" he must have had while he was unloading...it's inconceivable to me--especially considering that these fellows hadn't done anything to him and probably didn't even threaten him.

oyarde
09-28-2010, 08:56 PM
Oops. I'm a gun retard. I meant "rounds."

And....Jesus Christ. Which is more common? 20 or 30 round clips? Just out of morbid curiosity.

The "mindset" he must have had while he was unloading...it's inconceivable to me--especially considering that these fellows hadn't done anything to him and probably didn't even threaten him.

Currently ? I am not sure . I am a little older and both were common for the M 16 . They are probably using an M 4 now ? Gunny would know . I always used a thirty round clip and left a couple out . It would feed cleaner that way . Then I would duct tape another to it so i could drop it and flip it for another 28 before I had to dig for one .

oyarde
09-28-2010, 09:00 PM
Mindset ..... you got me , unarmed man that had done no known harm .

angelatc
09-28-2010, 09:00 PM
This guy is a favorite of the Republican/neocons, and will surely be an Iran War champion.

We have got to figure out a way to keep bastards like this from getting into office.

Well, you don't see many neocons who actually put their ass on the line, I'll give him that. It amazes me that they call us extremists...Jesus Christ.

I know there's a lot of debate on who is and isn't a neocon--but this guy has got to be a clear-cut case, right?

The people supporting this psychopath are the same sick pukes that couldn't trash Kokesh enough. It literally makes me dizzy. What the hell is wrong with the world?

amy31416
09-28-2010, 09:01 PM
Curious , is there any polling data on this race anywhere ?

Nothing too fantastic, but I tried looking it up and he was either tied, or just a few points behind--and he's being painted as a total hero for killing those two guys. Of course there's no details on the nature of the murders, or that he emptied two clips into unarmed people, or that fellow soldiers testified against him.

I did read on one site about what great abs he has though.

oyarde
09-29-2010, 04:11 PM
Nothing too fantastic, but I tried looking it up and he was either tied, or just a few points behind--and he's being painted as a total hero for killing those two guys. Of course there's no details on the nature of the murders, or that he emptied two clips into unarmed people, or that fellow soldiers testified against him.

I did read on one site about what great abs he has though.

So the people in that district have a choice between a guy who is likely nuts and a dem . Looks like a perfect oppurtunity for everyone to go vote for a thid party candidate .