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Bruno
09-27-2010, 09:30 AM
Lots more here, with pics: http://www.aolnews.com/weird-news/article/former-air-force-officers-ufos-tampered-with-nuclear-missiles/19647296

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3154401/UFOs-tampered-with-nukes.html

RETIRED US air officers will today sensationally claim aliens tampered with nuclear weapons on British soil.
They are set to lift the lid on the "ongoing and disturbing" intervention of UFOs at nuclear weapon sites.

Their claims include how several missiles inexplicably malfunctioned while an unidentified disc-shaped object hovered nearby.

One alleged incident they say was covered up is the Rendlesham Forest UFO sighting in Suffolk — known as the UK's Roswell by the alien watchers community.

It was claimed that 30 years ago a UFO directed beams of light into RAF Bentwaters, close to the forest — one of the few US military bases in Britain to hold nuclear weapons at the time.


Credibility

The base's deputy commander Colonel Charles Halt has long claimed the incident was covered up.

He said: "The security services of both the United States and the United Kingdom have attempted, both then and now, to subvert the significance of what occurred at RAF Bentwaters by the use of well-practiced methods of disinformation."

Col Halt, now retired, added: "The UFOs I saw were structured machines moving under intelligent control and operating beyond the realm of anything I have ever seen before or since.

"I believe the objects that I saw at close quarters were extra-terrestrial in origin."

Col Halt will be among six former officers, and one other enlisted man, who will break their decades-long silence on the matter at a press conference in Washington today.

Robert Hastings, the author of UFOs and Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites, will host the press conference.

He said last night: "At long last, all of these witnesses are coming forward to say that, as unbelievable as it may seem to some, UFOs have long monitored and sometimes tampered with our nukes."

Mr Hastings says the group will discuss the national security implications of the UFO incidents and will urge the US government to come clean on the issue.

Nick Pope, who investigated unexplained air threats for the Ministry of Defence, called for a US probe into the claims.

He said: "There's no middle ground here. Either it happened or it didn't. Given the seriousness of the claims and the credibility of the witnesses, the US government should launch an inquiry.

"The UFO community believe aliens may have tampered with nuclear weapons so they cannot be used in space."

The Rendlesham Forest incident made headlines in December 1980 when UFOs were reported three nights running.


http://www.newser.com/story/101542/us-military-pilots-ufos-deactivated-nukes.html

(Newser) – Extraterrestrials do exist … and they apparently are not fans of our missiles, according to a few former US Air Force officers. Capt. Robert Salas and some of his colleagues will give a press conference in Washington, DC, today to testify that UFOs have appeared at numerous nuclear weapons sites—and that the government has been keeping these appearances a secret, AOL News reports.


One of Salas’s stories involves a “glowing red oval-shaped” UFO that hovered above a Montana Air Force base he was stationed at in 1967 and shut off all 10 nuclear missiles simultaneously. He was later told the incident was not an Air Force exercise, and was commanded never to talk about it. Salas and other military eyewitnesses are now coming forward in an effort to get the public to believe.

Aratus
09-27-2010, 09:47 AM
in 1947, the roswell AFB had an actual nuke on it.
the 509th was nuclear ready at times. ----also
white sands was known for its postwar missle tests.

Arklatex
09-27-2010, 11:24 AM
Hehe, our friends aren't worried about us attacking them. This is a new breed of fear mongering we are to experience and need to be prepared for.


They are concerned about nature, that includes us, Earth, and the space around Earth. We don't understand the effects of nuclear weapons, even the testing of them causes massive disruptions in the space around Earth and into the inner astral planes we are not even aware of.

There are groups that have been monitoring us and been deeply involved with Earth since the beginning, but there are also groups who were pretty indifferent about us... that is until we developed nuclear technology. This attracted many more groups to Earth since that time and they are constantly involved in our geopolitics, desperately trying to promote peace praying for the spiritual evolution of humankind.

We have free will and some will make every attempt to preserve it. Though that law can be easily broken.

This is a more real situation than anything you can imagine.

fedup100
09-27-2010, 12:09 PM
Wth!

Yieu
09-27-2010, 12:21 PM
Their announcement is old news, but this may be the first time they released it to the press, I'm not sure if they had previously done so.

newyearsrevolution08
09-27-2010, 12:22 PM
its easier to say it was ufo's and all of a sudden our missles get deactivate right around the same time that we hack irans nuclear installs.

maybe it was the aliens who did that to iran as well?

sounds easy enough because it is far easier to think it was ufo's and not simply the us.

Bruno
09-27-2010, 12:24 PM
its easier to say it was ufo's and all of a sudden our missles get deactivate right around the same time that we hack irans nuclear installs.

maybe it was the aliens who did that to iran as well?

sounds easy enough because it is far easier to think it was ufo's and not simply the us.

Col Halt, now retired, added: "The UFOs I saw were structured machines moving under intelligent control and operating beyond the realm of anything I have ever seen before or since.

"I believe the objects that I saw at close quarters were extra-terrestrial in origin."

pcosmar
09-27-2010, 12:27 PM
Their announcement is old news, but this may be the first time they released it to the press, I'm not sure if they had previously done so.

It may be old news to some, But this story is from today.

– Extraterrestrials do exist … and they apparently are not fans of our missiles, according to a few former US Air Force officers. Capt. Robert Salas and some of his colleagues will give a press conference in Washington, DC, today to testify that UFOs have appeared at numerous nuclear weapons sites—and that the government has been keeping these appearances a secret,
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/former-air-force-officials-claim-ufo-sighted-at-military-bases-092710
Published : Monday, 27 Sep 2010, 10:03 AM EDT

WASHINGTON - Several former Air Force officials are taking the cloak off of reported UFO sightings on U.S. military bases.

The group of ex-military commanders is set to unveil several alleged UFO sightings which they say shut down nuclear missiles.

FOX 5 got a preview of the first hand accounts and top secret documents that are now being released.

The group will present their findings Monday at the National Press Club.

Arklatex
09-27-2010, 01:10 PM
There are people here, they have been here since the dawn of man on Earth, that have known the entire story of this place from the beginning. They have been running this play from behind the scenes and the entire world is their stage. It has been like this since before Atlantis and Lemuria.

There are clues all around you.

Arklatex
09-27-2010, 01:52 PM
Do you understand why they don't just land and hold a press conference?

The answer is in the my posts- it's that law i mentioned. It's in the very fabric of your reality.

To do what they do in a mass campaign like this, which is give us hints that peace is the answer, they violate that rule to a degree because even this is a small free will violation - they receive permission.

This permission comes from a planet orbiting your sun and exists in a different density of light. To our eyes it appears as the rings of Saturn.

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Many more than you probably imagine have seen their ships first hand. They appear to many on purpose, if you see one it's because they wanted to be seen. Now understand the massive mind control here, everyone is programmed to not believe these "crackpots"

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These ships communicate with groups of people all over the planet in every language and offer their thoughts and philosophies.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1978/1978_1018.aspx

There is a much larger story here and you live in exciting times.

newyearsrevolution08
09-27-2010, 01:55 PM
Col Halt, now retired, added: "The UFOs I saw were structured machines moving under intelligent control and operating beyond the realm of anything I have ever seen before or since.

"I believe the objects that I saw at close quarters were extra-terrestrial in origin."

I have issues believing most military these days especially anyone who has worked with "intellegence" in any fashion.

Bruno
09-27-2010, 02:00 PM
I have issues believing most military these days especially anyone who has worked with "intellegence" in any fashion.

Well, I can't argue with that. :D

Arklatex
09-27-2010, 02:25 PM
You two are smarter than average bears.

Clairvoyant
09-27-2010, 02:36 PM
Do you understand why they don't just land and hold a press conference?

The answer is in the my posts- it's that law i mentioned. It's in the very fabric of your reality.

To do what they do in a mass campaign like this, which is give us hints that peace is the answer, they violate that rule to a degree because even this is a small free will violation - they receive permission.

This permission comes from a planet orbiting your sun and exists in a different density of light. To our eyes it appears as the rings of Saturn.

------------------

Many more than you probably imagine have seen their ships first hand. They appear to many on purpose, if you see one it's because they wanted to be seen. Now understand the massive mind control here, everyone is programmed to not believe these "crackpots"

------------------

These ships communicate with groups of people all over the planet in every language and offer their thoughts and philosophies.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1978/1978_1018.aspx

There is a much larger story here and you live in exciting times.

The massive mind control is something that I can see very clearly.

pcosmar
09-27-2010, 02:52 PM
Unidentified is unidentified.
Some old news,

YouTube - UFO OVER WASHINGTON D.C. 1952 NEWS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utX5HvMO0PM)

Bruno
09-27-2010, 02:55 PM
^ Thanks for sharing that, pcosmar!

Wesker1982
09-27-2010, 04:45 PM
...............

Bman
09-27-2010, 05:21 PM
You two are smarter than average bears.

Since you seem to know so much on the subject, what reason do they have to stop over people's houses?

squarepusher
09-27-2010, 05:51 PM
Hehe, our friends aren't worried about us attacking them. This is a new breed of fear mongering we are to experience and need to be prepared for.


They are concerned about nature, that includes us, Earth, and the space around Earth. We don't understand the effects of nuclear weapons, even the testing of them causes massive disruptions in the space around Earth and into the inner astral planes we are not even aware of.

There are groups that have been monitoring us and been deeply involved with Earth since the beginning, but there are also groups who were pretty indifferent about us... that is until we developed nuclear technology. This attracted many more groups to Earth since that time and they are constantly involved in our geopolitics, desperately trying to promote peace praying for the spiritual evolution of humankind.

We have free will and some will make every attempt to preserve it. Though that law can be easily broken.

This is a more real situation than anything you can imagine.

this seems very likely

BlackSand
09-27-2010, 07:31 PM
Wth!

My sentiments exactly.

Bruno
09-27-2010, 08:30 PM
[Mod Edit] You guys might find this interesting:

Thank you for passing along his experiences. Did he send this to you recently?

idirtify
09-27-2010, 08:41 PM
Do you understand why they don't just land and hold a press conference?

The answer is in the my posts- it's that law i mentioned. It's in the very fabric of your reality.

To do what they do in a mass campaign like this, which is give us hints that peace is the answer, they violate that rule to a degree because even this is a small free will violation - they receive permission.

This permission comes from a planet orbiting your sun and exists in a different density of light. To our eyes it appears as the rings of Saturn.

------------------

Many more than you probably imagine have seen their ships first hand. They appear to many on purpose, if you see one it's because they wanted to be seen. Now understand the massive mind control here, everyone is programmed to not believe these "crackpots"

------------------

These ships communicate with groups of people all over the planet in every language and offer their thoughts and philosophies.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1978/1978_1018.aspx

There is a much larger story here and you live in exciting times.

Why can’t discussions about UFOs hardly ever remain intact without getting spammed with new-age crap? Could you go channel Elvis or something and let us have a rational conversation?

idirtify
09-27-2010, 08:48 PM
UFOs 'tampered with nukes'
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How frustrating and embarrassing that must be for the military. It’s no wonder they been sitting on it for 60 years. But how exciting for us! It looks like we have an actual benefactor with the power to really see that we don’t exterminate ourselves (at least with nukes). Of course maybe they are keeping us alive for selfish reasons (fattening the herd or whatever).

oyarde
09-27-2010, 08:50 PM
UFOs 'tampered with nukes'
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How frustrating and embarrassing that must be for the military. It’s no wonder they been sitting on it for 60 years. But how exiting for us! It looks like we have an actual benefactor with the power to really see that we don’t exterminate ourselves (at least with nukes). Of course maybe they are keeping us alive for selfish reasons (fattening the herd or whatever).

Yeah , we could just be natural resources to be harvested later . :)

Bruno
09-27-2010, 09:03 PM
video

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/09/27/bts.ufo.activity.cnn?hpt=T2

idirtify
09-27-2010, 09:04 PM
Yeah , we could just be natural resources to be harvested later . :)

Of course their selfish reasons don’t necessarily have to be unfortunate for us. Often the superior species will accelerate the evolution/development of the inferior species. I mean we don’t really have to be chickens or cows or pigs; we could be dogs or cats or “pets”, or domesticated lab animals.

revolutionary8
09-27-2010, 09:12 PM
Why can’t discussions about UFOs hardly ever remain intact without getting spammed with new-age crap? Could you go channel Elvis or something and let us have a rational conversation?
:D

UN to appoint space ambassador to greet alien visitors
www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=262099&highlight=alien

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=project+bluebeam&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

revolutionary8
09-27-2010, 09:49 PM
Of course their selfish reasons don’t necessarily have to be unfortunate for us. Often the superior species will accelerate the evolution/development of the inferior species. I mean we don’t really have to be chickens or cows or pigs; we could be dogs or cats or “pets”, or domesticated lab animals.
http://www.toem-wow.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/19333-facepalm-gloves-goggles-group-gun-helmet-humor-macro-tactical.jpg

Okay Perry

YouTube - Porno For Pyros "Pets" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpkmtweNQ-U)

Perry is a whacked out morphine/heroine/barbiuate addict that copies other people and can't think for himself, yet thrusts himself in to the limelight with everything from manequine looking hermaphrodites with their heads on fire, to "Pets" being "our" TRUE masters.. That is a hard sell around here. Even to me. :D Good luck tho.

revolutionary8
09-27-2010, 09:50 PM
dbl post.

idirtify
09-27-2010, 10:01 PM
whatever you do, don't pretend this ridiculous idea is "original".



“You talking to me? You talking to ME??”

How’s about telling me why you think I’m pretending anything? (I certainly never claimed or implied to be the originator of the “pet” idea.) Then, explain why you think the idea is ridiculous.

revolutionary8
09-27-2010, 10:09 PM
“You talking to me? You talking to ME??”

How’s about telling me why you think I’m pretending anything? (I certainly never claimed or implied to be the originator of the “pet” idea.) Then, explain why you think the idea is ridiculous.

True enough, you never claimed to be the originator, yet here you are, promoting the idea. I am a firm believer in conditioning tecniques, as I am sure you are, so I watch a lot of the "ideas" that get thrown out there. A lot of people repeat them w/o knowing what they are really repeating. Forget what I said, that your "pet" idea is "preposterous", state your case. I believe offense always goes first, as they "lost" the toss.
:D

Vessol
09-27-2010, 10:15 PM
Anyone else feel as if disclosure is coming soon. It would be an awfully convenient thing for the time of the economy and the state of the world..

Wesker1982
09-27-2010, 10:16 PM
Thank you for passing along his experiences. Did he send this to you recently?

He sent it to me today after I was talking to him about the Malmstrom incident being on the news

Bruno
09-27-2010, 10:34 PM
Anyone else feel as if disclosure is coming soon. It would be an awfully convenient thing for the time of the economy and the state of the world..

Absolutely. I don't know if it will be bad, or good. After decades of believing this time will soon come, I now don't know if I want to see it actually happen.


He sent it to me today after I was talking to him about the Malmstrom incident being on the news

Your grandfather's story is very interesting. Thanks again for sharing it here. If he ever feels like discussing it further, I'm sure it would be welcomed by a number of groups.

Yieu
09-27-2010, 11:11 PM
Since they might be leaking information they were sworn not to release, I wonder if the Air Force intends on prosecuting? If the Air Force does not try to prosecute, in an attempt to not comment on the event so as to not risk giving it further validation, it might give a false message that they won't prosecute over leaked information, which they are bound by law to do, and that could be seen as a weakness, as I am sure they do not want to give the impression that leaking information will go unpunished. If they do prosecute, they are indirectly admitting that it might be accurate information.

It seems these officers are trying to force the Air Force's hand on disclosure, because this could make the Air Force look like it has a weakness and perhaps appear deceptive to a degree if they both remain silent and do not prosecute, and if they prosecute without disclosure it would make them look bad for giving only an indirect admission of the truth without coming out and disclosing it, and if the Air Force discloses the information then they will look more strong willed and truthful to the American people.

It will be interesting to see the Air Force's reaction to this, though they could have reacted when these same officers leaked the same information years ago, but now the information is more widespread. Although, there's also the possibility that the Air Force told them to leak it (for whatever purpose they may have planned, good or bad), but even if that were the case, it would still be in their best interest to not remain silent for the same reasons listed above.

So, whatever the outcome, we should be expecting more ufo related public discussion in the near future. Whether disclosure will be merely given, or used for a purpose whether good or bad, is yet to be seen.

Vessol
09-27-2010, 11:41 PM
The thing that makes me nervous is how much the mainstream media is covering this now.

revolutionary8
09-28-2010, 12:48 AM
The thing that makes me nervous is how much the mainstream media is covering this now.
exactly,
granted "covering" is a "white-washy" type term. MSM doesn't "cover" the shit straight outta Shinola, let alone "UN space alien ambassadodoers "prepared" to "tea down" on possible "nuke tamperers"
dear gawd, define "truther" again?

Bman
09-28-2010, 02:38 AM
Since some people are really into this. What alien race has ships that would look like a fireball.

Philhelm
09-28-2010, 07:44 AM
Since some people are really into this. What alien race has ships that would look like a fireball.

The Galactic Empire?

Bruno
09-28-2010, 07:52 AM
Since some people are really into this. What alien race has ships that would look like a fireball.

:confused: Is there a point to that question? Or is it a setup for a joke?

Cinderella
09-28-2010, 08:00 AM
william cooper talked alot about this...i suggest people read up on bill cooper...

pcosmar
09-28-2010, 08:11 AM
Some may still want to make jokes. We have seen some in the threads. It may be just out of habit or as a defense mechanism. Regardless, this has just gotten serious.
Serious in the fact that credible folks are now talking, serious in the fact that a world body has appointed a representative.
There are many opinions about what or who they may be, or of what they are.

I am more concerned with How it will be used. And that is serious.

"never let a good crisis go to waste"
:(

Bruno
09-28-2010, 08:15 AM
Some may still want to make jokes. We have seen some in the threads. It may be just out of habit or as a defense mechanism. Regardless, this has just gotten serious.
Serious in the fact that credible folks are now talking, serious in the fact that a world body has appointed a representative.
There are many opinions about what or who they may be, or of what they are.

I am more concerned with How it will be used. And that is serious.

"never let a good crisis go to waste"
:(

great post

BULBASAUR!
09-28-2010, 08:26 AM
I'm calling a false flag alien invasion/meeting/whatever. I wouldn't put it past "them".

Cinderella
09-28-2010, 08:30 AM
"In 1953 astronomers discovered large objects in space which were tracked moving toward the Earth. It was first believed that they were asteroids. Later evidence proved that the objects could only be spaceships (perhaps hollowed-out asteroids from the astroid field between Mars and Jupiter? - Branton). Project SIGMA intercepted alien radio communications. When the objects reached the Earth they took up very high geosynchronous orbit around the equator. There were several huge ships, and their actual intent was unknown. Project SIGMA and a new project, PLATO, through radio communications using the computer binary language, were able to arrange a landing that resulted in face- to-face contact with alien beings from another planet. The landing took place in the desert. The movie. Project PLATO was tasked with establishing diplomatic relations with this race of space aliens. A hostage was left with us as a pledge that they would return and formalize a treaty.

"In the meantime, a race of humanoid aliens landed at Homestead Air Force Base in Florida and successfully communicated with the U.S. government. THIS GROUP WARNED US AGAINST THE RACE ORBITING THE EQUATOR AND OFFERED TO HELP US WITH OUR SPIRITUAL DEVELOPMENT. THEY DEMANDED THAT WE DISMANTLE AND DESTROY OUR NUCLEAR WEAPONS AS THE MAJOR CONDITION. THEY REFUSED TO EXCHANGE TECHNOLOGY CITING THAT WE WERE SPIRITUALLY UNABLE TO HANDLE THE TECHNOLOGY WE ALREADY POSSESSED. THESE OVERTURES WERE REJECTED on the grounds that it would be foolish to disarm in the face of such an uncertain future. There was no track record to read from. IT MAY HAVE BEEN AN UNFORTUNATE DECISION.

"A third landing at Muroc, now Edwards Air Force Base, took place in 1954. The base was closed for three days and no one was allowed to enter or leave during that time. The historical event had been planned in advance. Details of a treaty had been agreed upon. Eisenhower arranged to be in Palm Springs on vacation. On the appointed day the President was spirited to the base. The excuse was given to the press that he was visiting a dentist. Witnesses to the event have stated that three UFOs flew over the base and then landed. Antiaircraft batteries were undergoing live-fire training and the startled personnel actually fired at the crafts as they passed overhead... the shells missed and no one was injured (Note: These three craft were apparently from the orbiting "gray" craft that the 'humanoids' warned the government about. This 'meeting' apparently resulted in one of the major 'U.S. government - Gray' treaties. The fact that the startled gunners failed to destroy the alien ships may have been unfortunate, as such an event might have led to an abort of the so-called 'treaty' deal with the grays - Branton).

"President Eisenhower met with the aliens on February 20, 1954, and a formal treaty between the alien nation and the United States of America was signed. We then received our first alien ambassador from outer space. He was the hostage that had been left at the first landing in the desert. His name was 'His Omnipotent Highness Crilll or Krilll,' pronounced Crill or Krill. In the American tradition of disdain for royal titles he was secretly called 'ORIGINAL HOSTAGE CRILL, OR KRILL.' Shortly after this meeting President Eisenhower suffered a heart attack"--- Bill Cooper

i know this stuff is crazy and i will be called a kook, but my gut cant help but believe in this stuff

Philhelm
09-28-2010, 08:32 AM
Some may still want to make jokes. We have seen some in the threads. It may be just out of habit or as a defense mechanism. Regardless, this has just gotten serious.
Serious in the fact that credible folks are now talking, serious in the fact that a world body has appointed a representative.
There are many opinions about what or who they may be, or of what they are.

I am more concerned with How it will be used. And that is serious.

"never let a good crisis go to waste"
:(

Are you suggesting that we have been visited by aliens and that this will be capitalized upon in order to bring about world governance, or do you think they will have credible people "admit" that aliens exist as a scheme to bring about world governance. I personally don't believe that we have been visited by aliens, but the possiblity remains.

If there are aliens that have visited us, then I suspect that the liberty movement will be destroyed in a single, life-changing day. :(

Cinderella
09-28-2010, 08:36 AM
"The treaty stated that the aliens would not interfere in our affairs and we would not interfere in theirs. WE WOULD KEEP THEIR PRESENCE ON EARTH A SECRET. They would furnish us with advanced technology and would help us in our technological development. They would not make any treaty with any other Earth nation. THEY COULD ABDUCT HUMANS ON A LIMITED AND PERIODIC BASIS FOR THE PURPOSE OF MEDICAL EXAMINATION AND MONITORING OF OUR DEVELOPMENT, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE HUMANS WOULD NOT BE HARMED, WOULD BE RETURNED TO THEIR POINT OF ABDUCTION, AND WOULD HAVE NO MEMORY OF THE EVENT, AND THAT THE ALIEN NATION WOULD FURNISH MAJESTY TWELVE WITH A LIST OF ALL HUMAN CONTACTS AND ABDUCTEES ON A REGULARLY SCHEDULED BASIS.



"It was agreed that bases would be constructed underground for the use of the alien nation and that two bases would be constructed for the joint use of the alien nation and the United States Government. Exchange of technology would take place in the jointly occupied bases. THESE ALIEN BASES WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED UNDER INDIAN RESERVATIONS IN THE FOUR CORNERS AREA OF UTAH, COLORADO, NEW MEXICO AND ARIZONA, and one would be constructed in an area known as Dreamland (Note: Many sources allege that the reason the 'aliens' insisted on these underground bases beneath these particular areas was that 'they' in fact are not exclusively from other planetary bodies, but that they are originally from earth and have for centuries occupied deep cavern levels beneath the earth, and more recently beneath these areas of the southwest. The 'bases' then, which most in the government would believe are of exclusively human construction for use in 'joint' operations, would actually be 'covers' or 'fronts' for actual subterranean systems already largely under the control of this saurian race. This would explain why many human workers in these 'joint' bases have been kept highly compartmentalized; why many do not realize what's taking place in the lower levels or even that such lower levels exist when other deeper-level workers allege that they do; why the 'security' increases enormously the deeper one descends into these underground bases; and why the human influence decreases and the saurian-reptoid-gray-etc. influence increases the deeper one descends into these bases - Branton).

"Dreamland was built in the Mojave desert near, or in, a place called Yucca. I cannot remember if it was Yucca Valley, Yucca Flat, or Yucca Proving Ground, but Yucca Valley is what I always seem to want to say. MORE UFO SIGHTINGS AND INCIDENTS OCCUR IN THE MOJAVE DESERT OF CALIFORNIA THAN ANY OTHER PLACE IN THE WORLD. So many, in fact, that no one even bothers to make reports. Anyone who ventures into the desert to talk to the residents will be astounded by the frequency of activity and with the degree of acceptance demonstrated by those who have come to regard UFOs as normal. "
----Bill Cooper

pcosmar
09-28-2010, 08:54 AM
Are you suggesting that we have been visited by aliens and that this will be capitalized upon in order to bring about world governance, or do you think they will have credible people "admit" that aliens exist as a scheme to bring about world governance. I personally don't believe that we have been visited by aliens, but the possiblity remains.

If there are aliens that have visited us, then I suspect that the liberty movement will be destroyed in a single, life-changing day. :(

NO

Are you suggesting that we have been visited by aliens
I made no statement nor suggestion of such.

and that this will be capitalized upon in order to bring about world governance,
I expect it. Time will tell.

I have deliberately NOT said exactly what I believe.
As I have said, This is serious.
I am basing this on observation and logic. Oh the history of reactions to panic.
This will have Global implications and hence will require a Global response.

Bruno
09-28-2010, 08:59 AM
Are you suggesting that we have been visited by aliens and that this will be capitalized upon in order to bring about world governance, or do you think they will have credible people "admit" that aliens exist as a scheme to bring about world governance. I personally don't believe that we have been visited by aliens, but the possiblity remains.

If there are aliens that have visited us, then I suspect that the liberty movement will be destroyed in a single, life-changing day. :(

I know your question was not directed at me, but I do believe we have been visited for centuries, if not thousands of years. Many possibilities exist as to their intentions and our government's handling of the issue.

idirtify
09-28-2010, 09:45 AM
True enough, you never claimed to be the originator, yet here you are, promoting the idea. I am a firm believer in conditioning tecniques, as I am sure you are, so I watch a lot of the "ideas" that get thrown out there. A lot of people repeat them w/o knowing what they are really repeating. Forget what I said, that your "pet" idea is "preposterous", state your case. I believe offense always goes first, as they "lost" the toss.
:D

I already explained the basis for my “pet” idea. I said, “often the superior species will accelerate the evolution/development of the inferior species”. Although you called the idea “ridiculous, I didn’t see where you addressed my basis or explained your basis for disagreeing.

Admittedly we are talking about a speculative subject. But since the premise is that UFOs are real, we can only guess at what they are doing here and why. In that context, the pet/lab-animal idea seems reasonable. Look at how we humans treat less intelligent species. The development of pretty much any species that we have exploited or studied has benefited as a result. It’s a process of artificial selection for desired traits. Sometimes the process is intentional but other times it’s not. Ancient cultures probably had no idea they were practicing it when they domesticated dogs and cats and cows, yet the protection afforded them meant they were able to speed up their genetic diversity at “light speed”. At other times, the intent is overt. Most pet owners want their pets to be more like them, and for them to reproduce more and more varieties of shapes and colors and traits/personalities/abilities. And then of course you have the real genetic sciences where you have actual genetic splicing.

So what is so “ridiculous” about applying this relationship to the next logical extension, on up the hierarchy of intelligent species?

Aratus
09-28-2010, 09:49 AM
nbc's second episode of THE EVENT last nite
tosses out an intersting e.t alien story-arc
dating from the 1940s "foo-fighter" reports...

pcosmar
09-28-2010, 09:57 AM
nbc's second episode of THE EVENT last nite
tosses out an intersting e.t alien story-arc
dating from the 1940s "foo-fighter" reports...

The preparations and groundwork of this story has been around a long time.
;)

idirtify
09-28-2010, 09:58 AM
Some may still want to make jokes. We have seen some in the threads. It may be just out of habit or as a defense mechanism. Regardless, this has just gotten serious.
Serious in the fact that credible folks are now talking, serious in the fact that a world body has appointed a representative.
There are many opinions about what or who they may be, or of what they are.

I am more concerned with How it will be used. And that is serious.

"never let a good crisis go to waste"
:(

If it’s true, I don’t see it as an actual crisis. It’s only being described as such by those whose powers might be shown to be less than supreme. IOW it’s only a matter of national security because weapons are being tampered with (and there are many unknowns).

I mean it’s always good to go in with skeptical eyes open, but what exactly is your concern with “how it will be used”?

Imaginos
09-28-2010, 10:02 AM
Some may still want to make jokes. We have seen some in the threads. It may be just out of habit or as a defense mechanism. Regardless, this has just gotten serious.
Serious in the fact that credible folks are now talking, serious in the fact that a world body has appointed a representative.
There are many opinions about what or who they may be, or of what they are.

I am more concerned with How it will be used. And that is serious.

"never let a good crisis go to waste"
:(
Great point.
I am also concerned with how it will be used.
"Never let a good crisis go to waste", indeed.
:(

pcosmar
09-28-2010, 10:11 AM
If it’s true,
IF? Do you deny that Unidentified Flying Objects exist?
Or,,do you somehow identify that which is unidentified, and then deny existance.
Unidentified is unidentified.
Otherwise we would be talking about IFOs. (Identified Flying Objects)


I mean it’s always good to go in with skeptical eyes open, but what exactly is your concern with “how it will be used”?
One World Government
I expect it. Many dream of it and work toward it.
And it seems that this could be a very likely avenue to institute it.

I am opposed, but, nonetheless expect it will happen.

Original_Intent
09-28-2010, 10:28 AM
The aliens hate us for our freedoms...I think they have also heard that Earth Girls are Easy (c)

idirtify
09-28-2010, 10:32 AM
IF? Do you deny that Unidentified Flying Objects exist?
Or,,do you somehow identify that which is unidentified, and then deny existance.
Unidentified is unidentified.
Otherwise we would be talking about IFOs. (Identified Flying Objects)


One World Government
I expect it. Many dream of it and work toward it.
And it seems that this could be a very likely avenue to institute it.

I am opposed, but, nonetheless expect it will happen.

I’m not completely understanding you. This thread is about the validity of the UFO phenomenon (technically that “UFO” is in the process of becoming “IFO”, identified as crafts operated by more intelligent species). How does any of that risk the furthering of one world government?

Original_Intent
09-28-2010, 10:42 AM
Everything I need to know I learned from Babylon 5, season 4. :rolleyes:

pcosmar
09-28-2010, 10:49 AM
I’m not completely understanding you. This thread is about the validity of the UFO phenomenon (technically that “UFO” is in the process of becoming “IFO”, identified as crafts operated by more intelligent species). How does any of that risk the furthering of one world government?

Well. Actually " validity of the UFO phenomenon" is a good term. As far as "identifying",,No.
There is speculation as to what they are.
I make no claim. and yes I have a theory/belief, but have not presented it.

I am observing the reaction, Both the denial and the claims of knowledge.

As to my concerns of One World Government,,many people have been working to this end for many years. It is the stated goal of some. It is an unstated fantasy of others.
It is the subject of Biblical Prophecy.
I do believe the bible and hence this concerns me.

In the end it is something that I will have no control over, save for my own reaction to it.
So I am observing.

idirtify
09-28-2010, 11:05 AM
Well. Actually " validity of the UFO phenomenon" is a good term. As far as "identifying",,No.
There is speculation as to what they are.
I make no claim. and yes I have a theory/belief, but have not presented it.

I am observing the reaction, Both the denial and the claims of knowledge.

As to my concerns of One World Government,,many people have been working to this end for many years. It is the stated goal of some. It is an unstated fantasy of others.
It is the subject of Biblical Prophecy.
I do believe the bible and hence this concerns me.

In the end it is something that I will have no control over, save for my own reaction to it.
So I am observing.

I still don’t understand. You have presented no explanation of how more information about the validity of the UFO phenomenon risks furthering one world government.

But since you admit that your basis is religion (the bible), at least that explains why you provide no reasonable explanation.

jake
09-28-2010, 11:06 AM
"aliens are going to kill us all, we must form a one world gubmint to stop this threat" ?

lol this is bizzare.

idirtify
09-28-2010, 11:09 AM
Check it out. If these aliens are reading here, they are probably taking religious posts like pcosmar’s and RaTmasTeR’s as plenty of reason to keep their distance from our species.

pcosmar
09-28-2010, 11:27 AM
I still don’t understand. You have presented no explanation of how more information about the validity of the UFO phenomenon risks furthering one world government.

But since you admit that your basis is religion (the bible), at least that explains why you provide no reasonable explanation.
The march toward a one world government is a given fact.
I only suggest that this may be Used (through propaganda) to promote that goal.


Check it out. If these aliens are reading here, they are probably taking religious posts like pcosmar’s and RaTmasTeR’s as plenty of reason to keep their distance from our species.
I made no claim as to knowing what they are or are not.
For precisely this reason. I did not want to derail the discussion into mindless christian bashing.

C'est la vie

Bman
09-28-2010, 01:52 PM
:confused: Is there a point to that question? Or is it a setup for a joke?

Despite my very normal not being serious type of commenting, this is a serious question. Personally, I'm skeptical about the ability to travel through space at great distances. However, since some people seem to really study this stuff I'm just looking for reasons my neighbor saw an object that looked like a fireball come down and then hover over my house when I was a child. Truthfully, I think the guy was a raging alcholic, but I have yet to halucinate off of alcohol. I think the guy did see something, just seeing if anyone can produce clarity.

Matt Collins
09-28-2010, 01:57 PM
YouTube - Owned by Aliens? US missile guards claim UFOs target global nukes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhuOMnHhFB0&feature=player_embedded)

Arklatex
09-28-2010, 02:02 PM
For those serious on evidence of our current government taking this matter very seriously, I highly recommend the book "Above Top Secret" by Timothy Good 1987 - you will thank me.

One world government is here guys! Don't you understand. Remember this is all an illusion, our "Government" the church, our reality. To have understanding of what we are discussing requires one to be aware of the stage and become conscious of it.

Arklatex
09-28-2010, 02:13 PM
time is an illusion, distance an illusion, woah your peeking further offstange.. i'm an illusion, wow there is something about me that isn't an illusion... peeking further out, it's been like this the entire time! Wow. Insurmountable Joy.

zach
09-28-2010, 03:26 PM
If you listen to any ET channelings, then you'll see (if you believe) that all of this comes to a head. However, if we continue to follow fear-based thoughts of 'invasion' this and NWO that.. while realistically possible, how is that affecting the way you want to live your life? In essence, the upcoming times are a revolution in the way we think. The political sphere is only one aspect of reality that is changing.. if we really want progression to happen in a positive way.

idirtify
09-28-2010, 03:58 PM
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!!!!!

I did not come here and discredit anything from the OP. I came here to say I believe in all this craziness! I then gave my opinion on why it is happening. Which is a lot more than you ever thought about contributing to this post. You just bring the hate. Do not waste my time. And drop your defenses, I am not here to convert you and convince you of anything. Just contributing a alternate interpretation.

“This craziness” was not so crazy before you said that UFOs mean “the darkest parts of the book of Revelation coming too [true]”, “there will be a rapture”, “there will be a one world government”, “there will be a anti-Christ controlled by Satan”; and that “aliens are…mainly demons”, ad nauseum.

idirtify
09-28-2010, 04:04 PM
The march toward a one world government is a given fact.
I only suggest that this may be Used (through propaganda) to promote that goal.


But since “this” is only information suggesting that aliens are protecting us from big government, it would not lend its self to propaganda (to promote bigger government).

wizardwatson
09-28-2010, 04:13 PM
Some may still want to make jokes. We have seen some in the threads. It may be just out of habit or as a defense mechanism. Regardless, this has just gotten serious.
Serious in the fact that credible folks are now talking, serious in the fact that a world body has appointed a representative.
There are many opinions about what or who they may be, or of what they are.

I am more concerned with How it will be used. And that is serious.

"never let a good crisis go to waste"
:(

My theory is relatively simple concerning this. God is playing the real mind game on all the douchebags in the world. The 7 years of tribulation is about to begin. The first half will be some unknown "terrorist rebel" who makes war on the nation states. He will appear with all sorts of occultic symbols and people will call him the antichrist but his words will be true for the most part. He will make war against all these false kings of the world.

The second half will be the real antichrist taking power "in order to restore peace and defeat the rebel". People will fear the rebel because he hides and remains unknown. So when the real "beast" takes power, no doubt some alien douche who shows all sorts of technical magicry and powers, people will say "yes, yes he will save us and rule us!".

But that is the test. The real beast (alien pretending to be savior) will make war against the real messiah (human rebel out to actually exact judgement by destroying those who are truly evil) but people will "marvel at the beast" and most will probably choose the alien douche as their God.

So basically its the old switcheroo, and the irony is that the beast will actually be working for/under God's control.

So figure 3 years of a messiah disguised as a rebel, then 3 years (bible says 42 months of rule for the beast) of beast rule followed by the messiah giving him a major superhero ass-kicking.

Then after that, Jesus comes back (Jesus/Messiah two different people for the religiously handicapped)

Okay, so maybe not that simple but I have thought this way for some time.

idirtify
09-28-2010, 06:27 PM
My theory is relatively simple concerning this. God is playing the real mind game on all the douchebags in the world. The 7 years of tribulation is about to begin. The first half will be some unknown "terrorist rebel" who makes war on the nation states. He will appear with all sorts of occultic symbols and people will call him the antichrist but his words will be true for the most part. He will make war against all these false kings of the world.

The second half will be the real antichrist taking power "in order to restore peace and defeat the rebel". People will fear the rebel because he hides and remains unknown. So when the real "beast" takes power, no doubt some alien douche who shows all sorts of technical magicry and powers, people will say "yes, yes he will save us and rule us!".

But that is the test. The real beast (alien pretending to be savior) will make war against the real messiah (human rebel out to actually exact judgement by destroying those who are truly evil) but people will "marvel at the beast" and most will probably choose the alien douche as their God.

So basically its the old switcheroo, and the irony is that the beast will actually be working for/under God's control.

So figure 3 years of a messiah disguised as a rebel, then 3 years (bible says 42 months of rule for the beast) of beast rule followed by the messiah giving him a major superhero ass-kicking.

Then after that, Jesus comes back (Jesus/Messiah two different people for the religiously handicapped)

Okay, so maybe not that simple but I have thought this way for some time.

So some very credible witnesses finally come out with significant information indicating advanced species have been visiting us for some time, and you (and others) see it as indicating apocalyptic religious prophesy (complete with all the violent and emotional and fatalistic overtones). Don’t you realize that your type of hysterical doomsday over-reaction (fear) is precisely the thing that is probably to blame for the long-term secrecy (besides government self-interests)?

wizardwatson
09-28-2010, 07:19 PM
So some very credible witnesses finally come out with significant information indicating advanced species have been visiting us for some time, and you (and others) see it as indicating apocalyptic religious prophesy (complete with all the violent and emotional and fatalistic overtones). Don’t you realize that your type of hysterical doomsday over-reaction (fear) is precisely the thing that is probably to blame for the long-term secrecy (besides government self-interests)?

Well, I just see a deeper conspiracy. And there's not really any fear I have about it. I said it was just a theory.

wizardwatson
09-28-2010, 07:23 PM
So some very credible witnesses finally come out with significant information indicating advanced species have been visiting us for some time, and you (and others) see it as indicating apocalyptic religious prophesy (complete with all the violent and emotional and fatalistic overtones). Don’t you realize that your type of hysterical doomsday over-reaction (fear) is precisely the thing that is probably to blame for the long-term secrecy (besides government self-interests)?

Furthermore, the whole deal about aliens "visiting us" or "showing us the way" is precisely the fake out. Humans rarely spend a few days with a desire to learn about real spirituality and God for salvation, but if an alien from outer space doing fancy magic tricks and healing the sick showed up, they'd bend over backwards to suck its dick for the promise of immortality. That's the point.

Again, just my take on it. I don't know anything with certainty, and that includes scientific "theories".

Vessol
09-28-2010, 08:12 PM
YouTube - Bill Cooper - The UFO Deception (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DEiIq9_9OY)

pcosmar
09-28-2010, 08:25 PM
Time will tell.

I had refrained, but since the subject has come up, and all of this is speculation at this point.
I offer this for consideration.
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/UFOs/demons_aliens_clothes.htm

It is a relatively clear and well written alternate view, from a Christian point of view.
It is very close to my beliefs. There are many sites dedicated to this subject on the web and I found this one today.
I have had my views on this subject long before I ever had a computer.

Arklatex
09-28-2010, 08:32 PM
From Prodigorium liber, writer Julius Obsequens 216 B.C.


Things like ships were seen in the sky over Italy.... At Arpi a round shield was seen in the sky....At Capua, the sky was all on fire, and one saw figures like ships....

Anyone read the Bible? The wheel inside a wheel of Ezekiel?

oyarde
09-28-2010, 08:40 PM
From Prodigorium liber, writer Julius Obsequens 216 B.C.



Anyone read the Bible? The wheel inside a wheel of Ezekiel?

Yes , I have read the wheel inside a wheel .

Arklatex
09-28-2010, 08:48 PM
pcos that is indeed true

thought it doesn't recognize the other side of the coin at all, and it is indeed just as true.

it takes a + and a - to complete a circuit, the creation blinks at the light nor the darkness, each are paths to "empower"

That sight only depicts one pole in this conflict, there indeed exists a light to that darkness presented in that site.

The + have the advantage of working together

The - have the disadvantage of constant power struggle

The ultimate expression of + is a sun

the ultimate expression of - is a black hole

Star Wars.

idirtify
09-28-2010, 11:02 PM
Well, I just see a deeper conspiracy. And there's not really any fear I have about it. I said it was just a theory.

I see. So you predict that this new information signals seven years of tribulation for the entire planet where demonic beasts and antichrists wreak havoc, but you really don’t have any fear about it. Right. :rolleyes:

idirtify
09-28-2010, 11:11 PM
Furthermore, the whole deal about aliens "visiting us"...is precisely the fake out.

So you think these witnesses are not telling the truth?



Humans rarely spend a few days with a desire to learn about real spirituality and God for salvation, but if an alien from outer space doing fancy magic tricks and healing the sick showed up, they'd bend over backwards to suck its dick for the promise of immortality. That's the point.

Forgive me; I don’t get ‘the point”. So now you think these witnesses ARE telling the truth, but you would be angry if people gave the aliens more respect than god?



Again, just my take on it. I don't know anything with certainty, and that includes scientific "theories".

So you believe less in scientific theories and more in your “coming of the anti-Christ” theories?

Mach
09-28-2010, 11:36 PM
I skipped ahead, when people get to into what's really going on "they" do their damnest to sidestep them, you know, give them directions to the wrong subject.

When anyone has some actual proof, let me know.

Bruno
09-29-2010, 06:24 AM
Despite my very normal not being serious type of commenting, this is a serious question. Personally, I'm skeptical about the ability to travel through space at great distances. However, since some people seem to really study this stuff I'm just looking for reasons my neighbor saw an object that looked like a fireball come down and then hover over my house when I was a child. Truthfully, I think the guy was a raging alcholic, but I have yet to halucinate off of alcohol. I think the guy did see something, just seeing if anyone can produce clarity.

Thanks for the clarification.

People often question the ability of another civilization to travel vast distances. If we could figure out how it is done, we would probably be pretty close to being able to do it ourselves. Just because we don't know how it could be done, doesn't mean it isn't. And just because we don't know "their" motives, doesn't mean that they don't have motives and aren't already here.

It may help to remember that 150 years ago, people on earth were skeptical that we could every fly the distances and speeds that we can. 500 mph in larger planes carrying millions of passengers all over the world? That was unheard of, let alone flying 13,500 mph outside our orbit. We now operate ROVs on Mars and have landed on the moon many times. And we also have unmanned craft that have left our solar system to head out into outspace.

Who knows what your neighbor saw that night?

idirtify
09-29-2010, 08:49 AM
I skipped ahead, when people get to into what's really going on "they" do their damnest to sidestep them, you know, give them directions to the wrong subject.

When anyone has some actual proof, let me know.

What “sidestepping” are you talking about? Please post the minute marks.

Arklatex
09-29-2010, 09:04 AM
Distance.

Easily overcome, once you understand is it indeed what? An illusion.

There are things that are closer to you than your bones. Though in the illusion they might appear 1000000000 light years away.

They have no need to travel through "wormholes", they have more efficient means of travel. This is elementary to them.

I highly recommend the Law of One books, all of this is gone into very mundane detail. The questioner was PHD Don Elkins. He was questioning a multidimensional being. They could ask him anything, and he could answer instantly, trivial questions such as "what is wrong with my cat" to "the esoteric dimensions of the pyramids" to "why did the tape recorder malfunction?"

He answered all questions with ease, and explained things that were never heard of at the time but later were proven as fact.

I challenge anyone to read it - you'll find yourself in state of epiphany. Here it is in its entirety free online: (with a search able database feature) go ahead and try it - type a subject in and see what was said.

http://www.lawofone.info/

You're welcome. I've read every word of it and it was the most important thing I've ever done in my life. Therein lies all the answers to your questions on this reality.

Deborah K
09-29-2010, 09:06 AM
:D

UN to appoint space ambassador to greet alien visitors
www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=262099&highlight=alien

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=project+bluebeam&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

I saw an astronomer interviewed about this the other day when the story broke. His name escapes me but he is seen on many shows. He is Asian (Japanese maybe) and has long gray hair. He said the astronomy community was going to announce in the next 6 months to a year that a duplicate earth has been discovered.

pcosmar
09-29-2010, 09:11 AM
When anyone has some actual proof, let me know.
Oh, you mean like the "actual proof" the Osama was involved in or masterminded 9/11.
Or the "actual proof" that there were WMDs in Iraq.
Perhaps the "actual proof" that marijuana is a Dangerous drug.

Laws can be enforced, wars can be fought and lives can be ruined without "actual proof".

To me it is honestly irrelevant what or who they may or may not be .
I am more concerned with how it will be USED.
And I expect that it Will Be Used.

Arklatex
09-29-2010, 09:27 AM
a duplicate earth has been discovered.

Indeed true.

What does it exist for is an hell of an answer! Many people are going to find themselves on this duplicate.

idirtify
09-29-2010, 11:06 AM
Indeed true.

What does it exist for is an hell of an answer! Many people are going to find themselves on this duplicate.

What the “hell” are you talking about? Is it related to the topic?

itshappening
09-29-2010, 12:35 PM
Does anyone remember what episode of the x-files it was when Mulder was walked through a facility and had everything explained to him in the last 50 years? it reminded me of the scene from JFK when he met Mister X but it was many years ago that I saw it and I can't remember where it's from so maybe someone remembers?

YouTube - Jim Garrison meets Mister X Part One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3pkp-zQPqs)

YouTube - Jim Garrison meets Mister X Part Two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onks09EQyLY)

Mach
09-29-2010, 02:22 PM
What “sidestepping” are you talking about? Please post the minute marks.

Don't take it personally, I'm looking at it from a..... this is not a problem that should be on the top of the list perspective, it just takes peoples minds off of the immediate emergencies we're currently facing.

FLUFF.



Oh, you mean like the "actual proof" the Osama was involved in or masterminded 9/11.
Or the "actual proof" that there were WMDs in Iraq.
Perhaps the "actual proof" that marijuana is a Dangerous drug.

Laws can be enforced, wars can be fought and lives can be ruined without "actual proof".

To me it is honestly irrelevant what or who they may or may not be .
I am more concerned with how it will be USED.
And I expect that it Will Be Used.

Again, it's not something that I want to be PRE-occupied with right now, I do find it interesting (http://www.alienshift.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/EgyptAliens.jpg), I just think people should be digging into immediate reality, if they're going to land then WELCOME, otherwise TCOB now.:D

pcosmar
09-29-2010, 02:42 PM
otherwise TCOB now.:D

I am guessing you mean Take Care Of Business. If so..

DHS tests cyber response plan in global drill
http://fcw.com/articles/2010/09/28/dhs-testing-new-cyber-response-plan-in-global-drill.aspx
global response to global threats
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/public/story_page/031-83460-266-09-39-903-20100923STO83456-2010-23-09-2010/default_en.htm
, Global Response Needed
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1916458/superbug_found_in_3_us_states_global_response_need ed/
'Civil society's roles in global governance',
http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=EN_NEWS_PRES&ACTION=D&DOC=1&CAT=NEWS&QUERY=012b5ea27b5f:6b8e:59983fc8&RCN=32595

Just a few examples of Business as usual.
hence my concern
:(

idirtify
09-29-2010, 08:52 PM
Don't take it personally, I'm looking at it from a..... this is not a problem that should be on the top of the list perspective, it just takes peoples minds off of the immediate emergencies we're currently facing.

FLUFF.




Again, it's not something that I want to be PRE-occupied with right now, I do find it interesting (http://www.alienshift.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/EgyptAliens.jpg), I just think people should be digging into immediate reality, if they're going to land then WELCOME, otherwise TCOB now.:D

I don’t take any disagreements personally. But if you don’t think this topic is very important, why are you here?

BU-BYE!

idirtify
09-29-2010, 08:54 PM
I am guessing you mean Take Care Of Business. If so..

DHS tests cyber response plan in global drill
http://fcw.com/articles/2010/09/28/dhs-testing-new-cyber-response-plan-in-global-drill.aspx
global response to global threats
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/public/story_page/031-83460-266-09-39-903-20100923STO83456-2010-23-09-2010/default_en.htm
, Global Response Needed
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1916458/superbug_found_in_3_us_states_global_response_need ed/
'Civil society's roles in global governance',
http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=EN_NEWS_PRES&ACTION=D&DOC=1&CAT=NEWS&QUERY=012b5ea27b5f:6b8e:59983fc8&RCN=32595

Just a few examples of Business as usual.
hence my concern
:(

How about concerning yourself with the ACTUAL topic?

pcosmar
09-29-2010, 09:08 PM
How about concerning yourself with the ACTUAL topic?

Unidentified Flying Objects

Do you claim to Identify them?
What they are. Where they are from? And exactly what they are doing here?

I'm all ears.

Bruno
09-29-2010, 09:20 PM
I never normally pay attention to or care about star ratings, but how does this thread rate only one star?

pcosmar
09-29-2010, 09:25 PM
I never normally pay attention to or care about star ratings, but how does this thread rate only one star?

It was tinfoil hat stuff, till last Monday.

idirtify
09-29-2010, 09:28 PM
Unidentified Flying Objects

Do you claim to Identify them?
What they are. Where they are from? And exactly what they are doing here?

I'm all ears.

Good, you have ears. Click on the conference again, and listen closer. The very credible witnesses provide lots of information which points toward the identification of the UFOs and what they are doing – but not much toward their origin.

pcosmar
09-29-2010, 09:35 PM
Good, you have ears. Click on the conference again, and listen closer. The very credible witnesses provide lots of information which points toward the identification of the UFOs and what they are doing – but not much toward their origin.

Actually I did. It was observation and opinion.
Nothing tangible. No proof of origin.

The only thing was that they have publicly said what many knew.
There are Unidentified Flying Objects.
They confirm that the Governments of the world know this.

idirtify
09-29-2010, 10:02 PM
Actually I did. It was observation and opinion.
Nothing tangible. No proof of origin.

The only thing was that they have publicly said what many knew.
There are Unidentified Flying Objects.
They confirm that the Governments of the world know this.

Who are you arguing with? A phantom? Of course there is no proof of the crafts’ origins. None of the witnesses claimed any such nonsense.

If you actually watched it, you missed a lot. The witnesses indicated far more than that there are Unidentified Flying Objects and that Governments of the world know it. They helped identify the objects as piloted by more advanced species and helped indicate that they do not have hostile intentions.

pcosmar
09-29-2010, 10:06 PM
They helped identify the objects as piloted by more advanced species and helped indicate that they do not have hostile intentions.

Actually they assume that, not having either seen pilots nor communicating with the objects.
It is an opinion based on their assumptions.

idirtify
09-29-2010, 10:28 PM
Actually they assume that, not having either seen pilots nor communicating with the objects.
It is an opinion based on their assumptions.

But their opinions and assumptions are quite reasonable, based on what they saw. What else but more advanced species could be piloting crafts with such technological abilities? And what else but peaceful intentions could cause them to deactivate nukes?

If you have more logical assumptions, let’s hear them.

pcosmar
09-29-2010, 10:41 PM
But their opinions and assumptions are quite reasonable, based on what they saw. What else but more advanced species could be piloting crafts with such technological abilities? And what else but peaceful intentions could cause them to deactivate nukes?

If you have more logical assumptions, let’s hear them.

You have your opinion based on your faith despite never touching these "vehicles" nor seeing their occupants.

My faith is different in that I believe that there is a spiritual dimension and that there are spiritual beings. It is my belief that these are spiritual beings and that they have been here for a very long time.
You believe that they are benevolent. I believe that they are not.
And just as your belief is based on faith so is mine.

idirtify
09-29-2010, 10:59 PM
You have your opinion based on your faith despite never touching these "vehicles" nor seeing their occupants.

My faith is different in that I believe that there is a spiritual dimension and that there are spiritual beings. It is my belief that these are spiritual beings and that they have been here for a very long time.
You believe that they are benevolent. I believe that they are not.
And just as your belief is based on faith so is mine.

No, not “faith”; just LOGIC and REASON. As I said, they are the most reasonable assumptions based on the observations.

But you disagree and give your assumptions, that they are malevolent spiritual beings (demons); which implies that you think your assumptions are MORE logical (and that you KNOW their identity AND origin).
With both meanings intended: That’s “HYSTERICAL” !

idirtify
09-29-2010, 11:01 PM
You know in the movies when more advanced people visit a primitive tribe and they are worshiped as gods? You think that’s how it will be when aliens make contact? Think again. It will be worse than that. Just look at some of the hysterical replies here. If a more advanced species visits here, the “natives” will run amok shouting things like “it’s the devil” or “they are demons” or “the antichrist has come” or “the apocalypse is here” or “it’s the end of days and Revelations is upon us!”

pcosmar
09-29-2010, 11:01 PM
No, not “faith”; just LOGIC and REASON. As I said, they are the most reasonable assumptions based on the observations.

But you disagree and give your assumptions, that they are malevolent spiritual beings (demons); which implies that you think your assumptions are MORE logical (and that you KNOW their identity AND origin).
With both meanings intended: That’s “HYSTERICAL” !

:D

Bman
09-29-2010, 11:51 PM
You know in the movies when more advanced people visit a primitive tribe and they are worshiped as gods? You think that’s how it will be when aliens make contact? Think again. It will be worse than that. Just look at some of the hysterical replies here. If a more advanced species visits here, the “natives” will run amok shouting things like “it’s the devil” or “they are demons” or “the antichrist has come” or “the apocalypse is here” or “it’s the end of days and Revelations is upon us!”

They do that now.

pcosmar
09-29-2010, 11:57 PM
Started a thread in HT to expand on and continue discussion.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2910128#post2910128

:cool:

tpreitzel
09-30-2010, 12:21 AM
Started a thread in HT to expand on and continue discussion.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2910128#post2910128

:cool:

As I just posted in your thread in Hot Topics:

Even Jacques Vallee would mostly agree with you. The die hard followers of "UFOs" as "space brothers" simply base their "logic" on assumptions of unwitting observers. Charles Halt (RFI in 1980) recently made the statement that he experienced the 1980 UFO "from a distance" and was thereby somehow immune from the possibility of personal contact and effect. Personally, I find it rather amusing that unwitting observers like Charles Halt think of likely supernatural (spiritual) experiences in term of the physical senses, i.e. since he didn't actually TOUCH the object, he likely wasn't a personal contactee. Has he ever undergone hypnosis to find out? ;) To be honest and fair, one can't even raise the topic of UFOs WITHOUT raising the topic of religion as the two have much in common although they're not identical. Read Vallee's Messengers of Deception for further instruction. These entities are not likely our "space brothers" regardless of their overt messages delivered directly or through patsies. Their covert messages, sneaking around primarily at night (see Dr. Karla Turner), are of more concern to me. :)

idirtify
09-30-2010, 07:41 AM
They do that now.

Yeah, it makes one ponder which culture is actually more “primitive” and “native”. Sometimes I think all of humanity is still deeply stuck in our early superstition phase of development – and those few who aren’t are stuck in the basement of the asylum (hell).

idirtify
09-30-2010, 07:52 AM
As I just posted in your thread in Hot Topics:

Even Jacques Vallee would mostly agree with you. The die hard followers of "UFOs" as "space brothers" simply base their "logic" on assumptions of unwitting observers. Charles Halt (RFI in 1980) recently made the statement that he experienced the 1980 UFO "from a distance" and was thereby somehow immune from the possibility of personal contact and effect. Personally, I find it rather amusing that unwitting observers like Charles Halt think of likely supernatural (spiritual) experiences in term of the physical senses, i.e. since he didn't actually TOUCH the object, he likely wasn't a personal contactee. Has he ever undergone hypnosis to find out? ;) To be honest and fair, one can't even raise the topic of UFOs WITHOUT raising the topic of religion as the two have much in common although they're not identical. Read Vallee's Messengers of Deception for further instruction. These entities are not likely our "space brothers" regardless of their overt messages delivered directly or through patsies. Their covert messages, sneaking around primarily at night (see Dr. Karla Turner), are of more concern to me. :)

So you are calling these witnesses “die hard followers”, “unwitting observers”, and “patsies”? If not, what is your relevant point?

reduen
09-30-2010, 09:08 AM
I rated this thread five stars for pcosmar's posts alone.....! :cool:

Good stuff....

libertygrl
09-30-2010, 12:14 PM
Cool! Anti-Nuke Aliens! :D