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FrankRep
09-26-2010, 07:04 PM
Judge Napolitano just recently gave kudos to Glenn Beck on Freedom Watch. ;)


Judge Napolitano:


Glenn Beck - leading the fight against Big Government and the Progressives. A champion of Human Freedom.

Freedom Watch Part 1 - 9/25/2010
YouTube - Freedom Watch Part 1 - Attacks On Common Sense 9/25/2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S97K1IERMA4)

Stary Hickory
09-26-2010, 07:06 PM
He does those things well and he takes a lot of krap for doing it.

pcosmar
09-26-2010, 07:06 PM
This shit is calling my previous respect for the Judge into question.

:(

newyearsrevolution08
09-26-2010, 07:07 PM
I don't consider him that larger of a figure especially since he has only been in this fight for a year or so. Took him awhile to wake up but as far as champion I can think if MANY more deserving folks than glenn.

he is better than he was but that religious undertone for every reasoning is fucking annoying as hell.

JamalianTheory
09-26-2010, 07:10 PM
This shit is calling my previous respect for the Judge into question.

:(

http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/30403/original/YouMad.jpg?1260647699

FrankRep
09-26-2010, 07:11 PM
This shit is calling my previous respect for the Judge into question.

:(

Adam Kokesh Defends Glenn Beck and the Restoring Honor Rally
YouTube - Adam Kokesh Defends Glenn Beck and the Restoring Honor Rally (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbbRZCceI4w)

Stary Hickory
09-26-2010, 07:12 PM
Beck is not all bad, just because some people here are comitted beck bashers doesn't mean a thing. I put that up there with Rush Limbaugh who cannot come around to the truth because he has years invested in the wrong philosophies.

Beck is and has been doing a great deal of good for libertarians and bringing to light the desperate struggle we are in to keep and REGAIN our freedoms. He is effective at what he does too. I am under no illusion that he is a 100% libertarian but he is better than most and shows the ability to learn and is willing to change views. He is not a warhawk, although he believes in interventionism to a much larger extent than I do, he is against the FED, he had Austrian Economics day, he likes and respects Ron Paul, he likes Rand, he is against progressivism and the growth of government, he talked about the president killing americans no problem...and so on.


I don't even watch Glen Beck's show and I know all this from clips I see posted in various places.

All I hear here are 90% personal attacks against this guy. Nothing of substance...just lame personal attacks.

AuH20
09-26-2010, 07:14 PM
You don't have to like Beck but you can't deny the incredible work he has done. He sure as hell ain't the enemy, which many in this forum erroneously believe. The enemy would never dredge up Colonel Mandel House and Maurice Strong on national TV. It's not in their best interests obviously.

FrankRep
09-26-2010, 07:17 PM
You don't have to like Beck but you can't deny the incredible work he has done. He sure as hell ain't the enemy, which many in this forum erroneously believe. The enemy would never dredge up Colonel Mandel House and Maurice Strong on national TV.

This took extreme courage for Glenn Beck to expose these things:

Glenn Beck Recapitulates The John Birch Society
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6372-glenn-beck-recapitulates-the-john-birch-society

Glenn Beck Zeros In on the Council on Foreign Relations' Role in Media Bias
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6412-glenn-beck-zeroes-in-on-cfrs-role-in-press-bias

Glenn Beck Discovers Carroll Quigley! - False Paradigm of Political Parties
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6441-beck-uses-quigley-quote-about-political-parties

Glenn Beck Discovers 'Philip Dru: Administrator' by Colonel Edward Mandell House
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6405-glenn-beck-discovers-philip-dru-administrator

Glenn Beck: History Vindicated Joe McCarthy
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/37-history/3876-glenn-beck-history-vindicated-joe-mccarthy

Beck's Founders' Fridays Attempts to Undo Revisionists' Damage
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/37-history/3678-becks-founders-fridays-attempts-to-undo-revisionists-damage

Glenn Beck exposes the Progressive Movement, Woodrow Wilson, and the Federal Reserve
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257099

pcosmar
09-26-2010, 07:20 PM
You don't have to like Beck but you can't deny the incredible work he has done. He sure as hell ain't the enemy, which many in this forum erroneously believe. The enemy would never dredge up Colonel Mandel House and Maurice Strong on national TV. It's not in their best interests obviously.

And perhaps in a few days or a month it may make no difference at all.

False Flag
Economic Crash
Or UFO at the UN

Beck is not running for office.
His job is to entertain and manipulate.

As I said,, Time will tell.

Some folks are trying awful hard to sell him here though.

JK/SEA
09-26-2010, 07:20 PM
This shit is calling my previous respect for the Judge into question.

:(


I hear you. I'm getting these weird thoughts of the Judge stabbing the liberty folks, and especially the Ron Paul Revolution folks in the back. I think i'm just paranoid...but still......

Stary Hickory
09-26-2010, 07:21 PM
This took extreme courage for Glenn Beck to expose these things:

Glenn Beck Recapitulates The John Birch Society
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6372-glenn-beck-recapitulates-the-john-birch-society

Glenn Beck Zeros In on the Council on Foreign Relations' Role in Media Bias
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6412-glenn-beck-zeroes-in-on-cfrs-role-in-press-bias

Glenn Beck Discovers Carroll Quigley! - False Paradigm of Political Parties
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6441-beck-uses-quigley-quote-about-political-parties

Glenn Beck Discovers 'Philip Dru: Administrator' by Colonel Edward Mandell House
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6405-glenn-beck-discovers-philip-dru-administrator

Glenn Beck: History Vindicated Joe McCarthy
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/37-history/3876-glenn-beck-history-vindicated-joe-mccarthy

Beck's Founders' Fridays Attempts to Undo Revisionists' Damage
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/37-history/3678-becks-founders-fridays-attempts-to-undo-revisionists-damage

Glenn Beck exposes the Progressive Movement, Woodrow Wilson, and the Federal Reserve
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257099

Yeah and I see this guy getting hammered for doing this and doing it in front of HUGE audiences. All we have are a bunch of people with their panties all bunched up over stuff Beck said in the past. He was a neocon like MOST of the country at one time. If he has questioned himself and sought the truth and has come to join the party or at least put is big toe in the water to see how it feels...that is great! He has a lot of people watching his show.

When I see him expose this stuff....cover stuff no one else will or can because they have no exposure...it makes me very happy. I know this guy can spout out some stupid stuff as well...but so can like 97% of people on TV these days...the difference is Beck gets a lot of it right and it delivers big when he does.

FrankRep
09-26-2010, 07:22 PM
I hear you. I'm getting these weird thoughts of the Judge stabbing the liberty folks, and especially the Ron Paul Revolution folks in the back. I think i'm just paranoid...but still......
Do you have any real evidence to back up your claims?

JamalianTheory
09-26-2010, 07:23 PM
You don't have to like Beck but you can't deny the incredible work he has done. He sure as hell ain't the enemy, which many in this forum erroneously believe. The enemy would never dredge up Colonel Mandel House and Maurice Strong on national TV. It's not in their best interests obviously.

Agree 100%.

And I would love someone to name me another mainstream TV news show that has invited Tom Woods to appear live and have an actual discussion about American history.

I mean SERIOUSLY. On who else's show has Austrian economists and historians appeared on?

Tell me.

AuH20
09-26-2010, 07:24 PM
And perhaps in a few days or a month it may make no difference at all.

False Flag
Economic Crash
Or UFO at the UN

Beck is not running for office.
His job is to entertain and manipulate.

As I said,, Time will tell.

Some folks are trying awful hard to sell him here though.

I just don't think he's evil incarnate like many have indicated. He's not perfect but he's making gains by circulating critical information much like Alex Jones . I think eventually he's going to be pulled off the air and Ailes is going to get his ass kicked by the higher ups.

Brett85
09-26-2010, 07:30 PM
It seems like the only people who don't like Beck are the 9-11 truthers.

JK/SEA
09-26-2010, 07:31 PM
Do you have any real evidence to back up your claims?

No, just gut feelings. I'm tired of being taken for a fool.

1. Beck is not to be trusted. Remember, he said we were terrorists.
2. Rupert Murdoch signs their checks.
3. Judge Nap giving kudos to Beck, who has yet to apologize or say he was mistaken. Still waiting.
4. Judge Nap giving kudos to Beck.
5. Beck seems fine with being given the mantle of being the poster boy for the Tea Party, which as you know was started here back in 07.
6. Judge Nap giving kudos to Beck.

Gut feelings. Hey, sometimes i'm wrong.

JK/SEA
09-26-2010, 07:35 PM
It seems like the only people who don't like Beck are the 9-11 truthers.

it seems the only people who like Beck are NEOCONS.

cindy25
09-26-2010, 07:35 PM
Beck makes his money with radio, book deals. Murdoch needs Beck more than Beck needs Murdoch. (unlike Palin or Huck)

Beck is evolving. Cronkite was pro-Vietnam war until he was against it. Beck says he is more Paul than Palin; he could be the influence to flip Palin (they are close)

JamalianTheory
09-26-2010, 07:36 PM
It seems like the only people who don't like Beck are the 9-11 truthers.

I don't mind 9/11 truthers to tell you the truth.

But 9/11 truthers come in all varieties. They are not and have never been for the most part, libertarian.

There are plenty of socialist 9/11 truthers. Plenty of liberal 9/11 truthers. 9/11 truthers are against the government that we have currently, but I think most of them are not opposed to establishing a government of their own. That's why I don't trust them.

Just like Zeitgeist was a waking up moment for lots of people, they exposed themselves in the sequel as a bunch of socialists aspiring for a utopian society, which I think is pretty dangerous.

Teaser Rate
09-26-2010, 07:36 PM
In my view, the board seems to be split on Glenn Beck along the following line:

-One side believes the world is run through competing interests each vying for more power and influence. As such, they can appreciate that Glenn has done more good than harm promoting many issues of the liberty movement to a mass audience since he got on Fox News.

-The other side believes the world is run through a cohesive, all-powerful union of strong elites who own the media and government, and who strive to enslave us all through perpetual war and a police state. Seeing as Glenn Beck is a mainstream media personality who isn’t a purist, he must be a black-ops CIA operation designed to co-opt the liberty movement. He is the enemy and pure NWO, CFR, tri-lateral commission scum who was probably involved in killing JFK and “pulling down” WTC 7.

Brett85
09-26-2010, 07:37 PM
it seems the only people who like Beck are NEOCONS.

Neocon=Anyone who doesn't want to abolish the entire defense department.

JamalianTheory
09-26-2010, 07:39 PM
No, just gut feelings. I'm tired of being taken for a fool.

1. Beck is not to be trusted. Remember, he said we were terrorists.
2. Rupert Murdoch signs their checks.
3. Judge Nap giving kudos to Beck, who has yet to apologize or say he was mistaken. Still waiting.
4. Judge Nap giving kudos to Beck.
5. Beck seems fine with being given the mantle of being the poster boy for the Tea Party, which as you know was started here back in 07.
6. Judge Nap giving kudos to Beck.

Gut feelings. Hey, sometimes i'm wrong.

SOMEBODY, find the news clip of Ron Paul saying that Judge Napolitano should be nominated to the supreme court. Find that clip.

Ron Paul fully supports the Judge and he knows full well that he works for Fox News. Why would Paul make such an endorsement for a person that works for this "evil" network? Is Ron Paul a fool?

JK/SEA
09-26-2010, 07:40 PM
Neocon=Anyone who doesn't want to abolish the entire defense department.


lol

FrankRep
09-26-2010, 07:40 PM
it seems the only people who like Beck are NEOCONS.
Judge Napolitano is a NEOCON? :rolleyes:

JamalianTheory
09-26-2010, 07:42 PM
In my view, the board seems to be split on Glenn Beck along the following line:

-One side believes the world is run through competing interests each vying for more power and influence. As such, they can appreciate that Glenn has done more good than harm promoting many issues of the liberty movement to a mass audience since he got on Fox News.

-The other side believes the world is run through a cohesive, all-powerful union of strong elites who own the media and government, and who strive to enslave us all through perpetual war and a police state. Seeing as Glenn Beck is a mainstream media personality who isn’t a purist, he must be a black-ops CIA operation designed to co-opt the liberty movement. He is the enemy and pure NWO, CFR, tri-lateral commission scum who was probably involved in killing JFK and “pulling down” WTC 7.

Good post. Well played sir.

No, but seriously, you are correct.

JK/SEA
09-26-2010, 07:42 PM
SOMEBODY, find the news clip of Ron Paul saying that Judge Napolitano should be nominated to the supreme court. Find that clip.

Ron Paul fully supports the Judge and he knows full well that he works for Fox News. Why would Paul make such an endorsement for a person that works for this "evil" network? Is Ron Paul a fool?

Ron would respect my gut feelings, and i his.

Ron endorses people i put into question. Your point?

JamalianTheory
09-26-2010, 07:44 PM
Ron would respect my gut feelings, and i his.

Ron endorses people i put into question. Your point?

So do you put Ron Paul into question? Because obviously, he endorses people that disturb your "gut feeling".

AuH20
09-26-2010, 07:44 PM
SOMEBODY, find the news clip of Ron Paul saying that Judge Napolitano should be nominated to the supreme court. Find that clip.

Ron Paul fully supports the Judge and he knows full well that he works for Fox News. Why would Paul make such an endorsement for a person that works for this "evil" network? Is Ron Paul a fool?

Nap's staunch support of Beck definitely short-circuits people's reasoning about Glenn. Logically, they start to include the Judge in the sordid web. And let me say that I believe in the sway of the CFR and other globalist think tanks, so I'm certainly not your average rube.

JK/SEA
09-26-2010, 07:53 PM
So do you put Ron Paul into question? Because obviously, he endorses people that disturb your "gut feeling".

Sometimes i follow my gut, sometimes i don't. Is that alright with you?...

payme_rick
09-26-2010, 07:55 PM
Awesome, I was just thinking, "the front page needs another glenn beck thread!"... Read my mind...

JK/SEA
09-26-2010, 07:56 PM
bump...

JamalianTheory
09-26-2010, 08:06 PM
Sometimes i follow my gut, sometimes i don't. Is that alright with you?...

That's okay with me.

Fozz
09-26-2010, 08:10 PM
I respect the Judge, but Glenn Beck is a snake.

speciallyblend
09-26-2010, 08:12 PM
Beck is not all bad, just because some people here are comitted beck bashers doesn't mean a thing. I put that up there with Rush Limbaugh who cannot come around to the truth because he has years invested in the wrong philosophies.

Beck is and has been doing a great deal of good for libertarians and bringing to light the desperate struggle we are in to keep and REGAIN our freedoms. He is effective at what he does too. I am under no illusion that he is a 100% libertarian but he is better than most and shows the ability to learn and is willing to change views. He is not a warhawk, although he believes in interventionism to a much larger extent than I do, he is against the FED, he had Austrian Economics day, he likes and respects Ron Paul, he likes Rand, he is against progressivism and the growth of government, he talked about the president killing americans no problem...and so on.


I don't even watch Glen Beck's show and I know all this from clips I see posted in various places.

All I hear here are 90% personal attacks against this guy. Nothing of substance...just lame personal attacks.

it has nothing to do with haters or bashers. It comes down to simple trust which becks lacks mainly! He will have to give alot of Liberty Head to regain trust! He better get to work .He has along way to go and alot of zippers to start working on!! When i can trust glenn beck over the gop leadership! Then he might be getting somewhere! It is about Trust!! Trust is why i sent all my money to Ron Paul 2008!!

LibertyMage
09-26-2010, 08:14 PM
Glenn Beck has taken a large part of our message and made it mainstream. How many huge figureheads go in front of millions of people and rail against progressivism, increasingly advocate a non-interventionist foreign policy and put Ron Paul in front of the pack? He isn't perfect, but political phenomenon rarely are. You don't have to trust him. Just play the game.

FrankRep
09-26-2010, 09:42 PM
I found this interesting.


Glenn Beck: John Birch Society Makes More and More Sense. Interviewed JBS spokesman Sam Antonio

YouTube - Glenn Beck: John Birch Society Makes Sense. Interviewed JBS spokesman Sam Antonio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qENCbmysnAQ)


Glenn Beck and JBS spokesman Sam Antonio talk about the SPP.gov Security and Prosperity Partnership agreement between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. July 25, 2007

John Birch Society
http://www.jbs.org/

Fr3shjive
09-26-2010, 10:36 PM
It seems like the only people who don't like Beck are the 9-11 truthers.

lol @ this. Beck was given the opportunity to support a real liberty candidate and Beck went with Rick Perry instead of the Ron Paul backed Medina.

He keeps saying he's more Ron Paul than Sarah Palin but when it comes time to wield his influence and support a liberty candidate over an establishment candidate I think he'll go with the establishment candidate 9 time out of 10.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I'll trust him when he starts using his influence to get liberty candidates elected instead of the same old establishment candidates.

Reason
09-26-2010, 11:02 PM
This shit is calling my previous respect for the Judge into question.

:(

Agreed.

MichelleHeart
09-26-2010, 11:17 PM
I was the standard, state-of-the-art, neoconservative Republican partisan before I started watching Beck. He (yes, HE) brought to my attention the complete joke that is the two-party system. If you want to bring his sincerity into question, fine. But there's one thing you can't deny: He's taken libertarian ideas that were once thought to appeal only to quirky, techy, geeky types, and transformed them into a down-to-earth message that resonates with your average, typical, everyday American. You're not going to attract Grandma and Grandpa to the movement by giving them lectures on the non-aggression axiom. You're just not. Libertarians put so much of their time and efforts on abstract political theory and philosophical reflection that they forget about what truly matters to your, typical middle-class working folks: VALUES. And not just any values (like self-ownership, voluntaryism, etc.), but values that strike at the core of America's heart and soul: thrift, self-reliance, hardwork, charity, personal responsibility, moderation, and love/respect for one's neighbor, which ultimately translates into nonviolence, peace, and individual freedom for all. He takes these values, and explains to the average viewer why libertarianism (along with a dash of cultural conservatism) is compatible with the free, just, and moral society that our Founders envisioned.

That said, I hear a lot of people call Glenn Beck a hawk and a neocon. Not true. He is anything but.


Anybody who tells you that they haven't changed — anybody who hasn't changed their mind on something, especially over a long period of time, is either lying to you or they're dead. We all change. That's the point. We all learn.

In the last five years, I have — I've gone from a big hawk to not Ron Paul, but on the road to Ron Paul. Part of it is motivated by we can't spend it anymore. The other part, honestly, is I wasn't paying attention before 9/11. I didn't know what the heck was going on in the world. Now, I'm paying attention.

When people said they hate us, well, did we deserve 9/11? No. But were we minding our business? No. Were we in bed with dictators that abandoned or values and principles? Yes. That causes problems.

So, here it is if, I'm king of the world, don't screw with us. And when we fight, we'll fight to win and then come home. No nation-building, no U.N.-building. That's it.


The example we set now is what pisses everyone off: We say we're going to spread democracy, but we bed dictators, we bow to Saudi princes, when it's to our advantage. George Washington wanted us to be like the Swiss: Enemy of none, friend to all. Places like Germany — hey, we're glad you are all straightened out, but we're pulling out, you're on your own. We're not staying. We need to get out of the Korean Peninsula and Japan. No longer will we be the world's loiterers.

The United States spends approximately $102 billion annually to maintain troops, equipment, fleets and bases overseas — if you count Iraq and Afghanistan it jumps to $250 billion. Well, I'm tired of being the world's policeman. And in many cases we are the world's loiterers. We need to have a "no loitering" policy.

That policy comes from the progressives. The Republicans say we'll send in the "green helmets" and just nation build our way to global security. The liberals want to do it through the United Nations; they want to send in the "blue helmets" — which we pay for.

This doesn't work. I don't want to nation build. I don't want a global government or military force.

And for all the Don Rumsfelds out there watching who are cursing me out right now because they think no time is a good time to cut defense spending. Well, maybe this will help. This chart shows who accounts for all military spending in the world. (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/misc_images/beck_spending.jpg)

Almost half of all military spending in the world — 47 percent — is America. The next biggest spender is Europe — that's not even a country, they spent $289 billion on military-related expenses. We almost spent that much outside our country for our own defense!

So don't tell me we can't afford to cut back. Clearly we can.

And here's (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=144405) a libertarian explaining why Beck is miles apart from the FOX cabal on foreign policy.

Glenn Beck on why the two-party system is a complete sham (he rips apart Republicans in this one):

YouTube - Common Sense, 5, Part 1, The Cancer of Progressivism.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuAMm45clbc)

Beck has compared (http://www.redstate.com/jpniner/2010/03/02/glenn-beck-incoherent-idiot-calls-republicans-nazis/) modern-day Republicans to Nazis and fascists. (!) Even Napolitano and Stossel haven't been brave enough to do that.

Beck has mocked some of his FOX News colleagues for acting like "the gays are coming for us." (His words, not mine.) He thinks flag-burning should be legal. He's against the War on Drugs. And, in an interview with Katie Couric, he expressed the opinion that America would have been worse off under McCain than under Obama.

Glenn Beck is not a partisan hack. At least as far I'm concerned.

alsis8xmy
09-27-2010, 02:45 AM
Beck is a wolf is sheep's clothing

1. Supported TARP in the runup to congress voting on it, when support for or against counted the most.
2. Torpedoed Medina when his support could have tipped the primary in her favor.
3. Dis'd Ron Paul supporters during the primaries, again when his support could have tipped the balance.

Glen Beck always seems to pull the rug out from under the liberty movement when it counts the most. The proof is in the pudding, once bitten, twice shy.

I think his whole modus operandi is to co-op the tea party and be the saboteur when in clutch moments his support can be most decisive. Glen Beck is a fair weather friend and a wolf is sheep's clothing, beware!

fj45lvr
09-27-2010, 03:10 AM
he helped get "The Road to Serfdom" on a top-seller list awhile back....but back in 2007 he did call Ron "the mayor of Krazy Town".

I don't trust him even though good things can come from bad people.

AuH20
09-27-2010, 06:55 AM
I was the standard, state-of-the-art, neoconservative Republican partisan before I started watching Beck. He (yes, HE) brought to my attention the complete joke that is the two-party system. If you want to bring his sincerity into question, fine. But there's one thing you can't deny: He's taken libertarian ideas that were once thought to appeal only to quirky, techy, geeky types, and transformed them into a down-to-earth message that resonates with your average, typical, everyday American. You're not going to attract Grandma and Grandpa to the movement by giving them lectures on the non-aggression axiom. You're just not. Libertarians put so much of their time and efforts on abstract political theory and philosophical reflection that they forget about what truly matters to your, typical middle-class working folks: VALUES. And not just any values (like self-ownership, voluntaryism, etc.), but values that strike at the core of America's heart and soul: thrift, self-reliance, hardwork, charity, personal responsibility, moderation, and love/respect for one's neighbor, which ultimately translates into nonviolence, peace, and individual freedom for all. He takes these values, and explains to the average viewer why libertarianism (along with a dash of cultural conservatism) is compatible with the free, just, and moral society that our Founders envisioned.

That said, I hear a lot of people call Glenn Beck a hawk and a neocon. Not true. He is anything but.





And here's (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=144405) a libertarian explaining why Beck is miles apart from the FOX cabal on foreign policy.

Glenn Beck on why the two-party system is a complete sham (he rips apart Republicans in this one):

YouTube - Common Sense, 5, Part 1, The Cancer of Progressivism.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuAMm45clbc)

Beck has compared (http://www.redstate.com/jpniner/2010/03/02/glenn-beck-incoherent-idiot-calls-republicans-nazis/) modern-day Republicans to Nazis and fascists. (!) Even Napolitano and Stossel haven't been brave enough to do that.

Beck has mocked some of his FOX News colleagues for acting like "the gays are coming for us." (His words, not mine.) He thinks flag-burning should be legal. He's against the War on Drugs. And, in an interview with Katie Couric, he expressed the opinion that America would have been worse off under McCain than under Obama.

Glenn Beck is not a partisan hack. At least as far I'm concerned.

Glenn Beck's has expanded our numbers significantly as proven by your's and others' awakening.

cajuncocoa
09-27-2010, 07:19 AM
Glenn Beck is full of mixed messages about libertarianism. He's right about some things, but he's wrong about so many other. He calls himself one of us, but anyone can call himself anything; it doesn't make it so.

My concern is that people who are fed up with the status quo would hear GB and think his message is what we are all about.

I have no idea why the Judge introduced Beck as a "champion of human freedom"... but we're not sheep. As much as I respect the Judge's views and opinions about most issues, it doesn't matter to me what the Judge says or thinks about Beck; I can make up my own mind.

gls
09-27-2010, 08:28 AM
It's hyperbole and the Judge knows that. Beck is a mixed bag at best. My guess is Napolitano sees lavishing praise upon him as more of a good career move than anything.

fisharmor
09-27-2010, 09:01 AM
In my view, the board seems to be split on Glenn Beck along the following line:

-One side believes the world is run through competing interests each vying for more power and influence. As such, they can appreciate that Glenn has done more good than harm promoting many issues of the liberty movement to a mass audience since he got on Fox News.

-The other side believes the world is run through a cohesive, all-powerful union of strong elites who own the media and government, and who strive to enslave us all through perpetual war and a police state. Seeing as Glenn Beck is a mainstream media personality who isn’t a purist, he must be a black-ops CIA operation designed to co-opt the liberty movement. He is the enemy and pure NWO, CFR, tri-lateral commission scum who was probably involved in killing JFK and “pulling down” WTC 7.

Well I'm in the third side:
-One who doesn't believe any group of people is smart enough to have orchestrated NWO without leaving evidence that they control everything, and therefore fits into group 1, but who also believes that the competition of interests must be rewarded according to who is best fulfilling those interests - and who therefore spits venom at Beck for the times when he has unapologetically sabotaged the interests which represent me.




Glenn Beck has taken a large part of our message and made it mainstream. How many huge figureheads go in front of millions of people and rail against progressivism, increasingly advocate a non-interventionist foreign policy and put Ron Paul in front of the pack? He isn't perfect, but political phenomenon rarely are. You don't have to trust him. Just play the game.

In the kingdom of the blind, the man with one eye is king.
If his other eye is ever opened, he will understand why I hate him now.
Plenty of us have two eyes open at this point, and we understand that without opening the other one you'll never have a realistic sense of depth.
Moreover, we really do resent Mr. One-eye trying to be our king. That other eye is how we got to realize that we don't need a king at all - something which he kind of says, but doesn't seem to be able to contextualize.

The other colloquialism that applies here is this: the devil will tell a thousand truths to get in one lie.

fj45lvr
09-27-2010, 09:54 AM
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The other colloquialism that applies here is this: the devil will tell a thousand truths to get in one lie.

This is the truth that people use media to deceive others.

What position does Beck hold if he believes that Dr. Paul is mayor of Krazy Town on Paul's bills? I think we know that he believes in "preventive war" and intervention.


On the major issues that have perverted the republic (FED, Sound Money, etc.)???

MRoCkEd
09-27-2010, 10:40 AM
It's not like Beck is convincing people who are already libertarians to support something anti-freedom. He's gradually introducing Fox News watching conservatives to more and more libertarian ideals. It's beyond me why someone who hosts an entire show about slashing the military budget and who has Judge Napolitano as his fill in is considered an enemy because he wasn't as libertarian two or three years ago.

sailingaway
09-27-2010, 11:03 AM
Snort!

They pay his salary, I guess.

2young2vote
09-27-2010, 11:23 AM
I like his radio show, but not his TV show.

Justinjj1
09-27-2010, 11:28 AM
He's just a propagandist shill for Fox News who does more harm than good for the liberty movement. Now outsiders associate libertarianism and the Tea Party with this deranged, Mormon, cry-baby, who still thinks we should attack Iran and protect Israel at all cost. Just watch him interview and fawn over Pastor Hagee.

All he provides is entertainment, and not even very good entertainment. His schtick is so forced and contrived that it is really hard to watch.

georgiaboy
09-27-2010, 12:26 PM
I had to learn the hard way (sadly) not to follow any talk show hosts major policy/philosophical viewpoints wholesale, especially the so-called conservative ones.

All the right-leaning talk show hosts right now are sounding more libertarian than they were a couple of years ago. In their rhetoric they're following us, not leading us. We must continue to lead them until they are all the way there.

Glenn Beck may be further along the path of following us, but he has a ways to go.

They're all still very very behind us when it comes to candidate support and endorsement, however. This too will hopefully change over time.

Bottom line -- we lead them, we teach them, we use them; they follow, learn, and are used by us.

This goes for our "public servants" as well.

tremendoustie
09-27-2010, 12:49 PM
I had to learn the hard way (sadly) not to follow any talk show hosts major policy/philosophical viewpoints wholesale, especially the so-called conservative ones.

All the right-leaning talk show hosts right now are sounding more libertarian than they were a couple of years ago. In their rhetoric they're following us, not leading us. We must continue to lead them until they are all the way there.

Glenn Beck may be further along the path of following us, but he has a ways to go.

They're all still very very behind us when it comes to candidate support and endorsement, however. This too will hopefully change over time.

Bottom line -- we lead them, we teach them, we use them; they follow, learn, and are used by us.

This goes for our "public servants" as well.

I agree with you when it comes to average folks -- I don't think we "lead" the media personalities though -- and certainly not politicians.

Basically, both parties, when out of power, go into a pro-liberty tizzy -- then they elect politicians as a result of that tizzy who utterly fail to deliver, growing government instead. Those who put the politicians in power then make excuses for them -- you can hear it from the left now. Obama is "trying", he just doesn't have enough "confidence" to end the wars, Guantanamo, etc.

And it's the other party's turn to go into a pro-liberty tizzy.

Our job is to make sure that people translate their pro-liberty furvor into actual principled pro-liberty stances -- and not just cheer leading for their party. It can be done, and it is being done. Just get people to put down the pom-poms and think logically about the words coming out of their mouths -- and the actual record of the political party they support.

Media personalities spout words like "liberty", etc, in order to whip their party up -- but if we can convert those words into something more than slogans in people's minds, we can transform that partisan tizzy into a true, principled awakening.

cajuncocoa
09-27-2010, 01:13 PM
I think Beck only sounds more libertarian today than he did 2-3 years ago because he's opposing the Obama domestic/economic agenda.

When it comes to foreign policy and military issues, he sounds every bit as neoconservative as he ever did.

I'm glad he woke up to realize that GWBush is not the fiscal conservative that Beck may have thought he was, but when did he realize this? Two months before W's term was up?? :rolleyes:

fj45lvr
09-27-2010, 03:48 PM
Bottom line -- we lead them, we teach them, we use them; they follow, learn, and are used by us.

This goes for our "public servants" as well.


haha

this is kind of funny because it sounds like you are a international banker here!! Or one of the other special interests that are masters to their "servants".

georgiaboy
09-27-2010, 05:31 PM
haha

this is kind of funny because it sounds like you are a international banker here!! Or one of the other special interests that are masters to their "servants".

Yeah, I know. I'm trying to make a serious point, though. There is always talk on here about the media spin, or the media controlling the message that the masses hear, etc. We tend to victimize ourselves as being the David against the Goliath, but I think we need to 1. remember that David beat Goliath, and 2. reverse our thinking on this and understand the enormous power we and this movement really do have.

Why are these guys shifting their rhetoric in our direction so much? It's because they're listening to us, trying to capture us. Call it ratings or control, but they're trying to tap into this, especially younger, more libertarian demographic. I don't pay much attention to the left-leaning media, but I just wonder if it's trying to tap into this libertarian bent as well. It is the future.

Now, can we make this count legislatively and at the polls? We gotta stick to our guns -- vote for and support candidates based on principle, support and reward those in office who vote the principles we support, and support and reward those in the media who not only support our principles in word, but also support the candidates and voting records we support. That's why GB is one to watch closely, but not give too much credence to at this point. It's why Ron Paul is very careful about the endorsements of people he gives out, and why he'll side with different people depending on the issues/principles/votes they support.

We keep doing this persistently enough for long enough, and just like Dr. Paul, we'll see the rewards.

In this way we lead, we don't follow.

TNforPaul45
09-27-2010, 05:43 PM
Well well well....I guess we see where the Judge stands when the heat is on.

BlackSand
09-27-2010, 07:32 PM
We need more friends. Especially friends in high places. Id rather have Glenn Beck rules the airwaves than Rush Limbaugh.