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puppetmaster
09-26-2010, 05:23 PM
Regardless how you feel about Beck, Do you think he has helped the liberty movement overall, or has his show hindered the movement?

I am not sure...some days he brings up good points then others...he is lost....I am not sure if he is bringing any new blood to the movement.

yes--helped
no--hurt
maybe

pcosmar
09-26-2010, 05:25 PM
Why do I get the feeling that a bunch of people are trying to sell me a car that I don't want to buy.
:(

sofia
09-26-2010, 05:26 PM
He is a bloodsucker....sucking potential new Ron Paul recruits away from us and into the GOP tent.

who cares how much "education" he is doing if the newly educated are gonna be corralled into Sarh's camp (or Mitch's or Christies etc)

If not for beck, a lot of those Tea Partiers would have found their way to our camp by now.

newyearsrevolution08
09-26-2010, 05:27 PM
Why do I get the feeling that a bunch of people are trying to sell me a car that I don't want to buy.
:(

because thats the american way

puppetmaster
09-26-2010, 05:28 PM
LOL PCO I think his show does not really help.....the people that watch it are generally neocons...

puppetmaster
09-26-2010, 05:31 PM
He is a bloodsucker....sucking potential new Ron Paul recruits away from us and into the GOP tent.

who cares how much "education" he is doing if the newly educated are gonna be corralled into Sarh's camp (or Mitch's or Christies etc)

If not for beck, a lot of those Tea Partiers would have found their way to our camp by now.

true.-- I think he will push a palin type person.....and the sheep will follow.

Does anyone know his views on Sharon Angle?

pcosmar
09-26-2010, 05:33 PM
because thats the american way

Well then strip it down and put a real motor in it.

http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2008/03/07/hot-rod-1_7071.jpg

Live_Free_Or_Die
09-26-2010, 05:36 PM
I will give Glenn Beck credit anytime he says, don't take my word for it do your own research.

I will give Glenn Beck credit for opening up the books of history.

I oppose Glenn on his notion government is good which he used to tear apart Medina. The evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates government is not good.

I oppose Glenn on interventionalist foreign policy.

JamalianTheory
09-26-2010, 05:46 PM
I will give Glenn Beck credit for opening up the books of history.



You sho' am right 'bout dat.

But seriously, remember when Meltdown first came out? I do, and Glenn invited Tom Woods onto the radio show AND the TV show. Do you know how much that helped his sales? Despite what people think about Glenn's viewpoints, if they bought the book and read the whole thing, they got PURE Tom Woods. We should be very thankful about that.

He's also had Tom on recently to discuss American history and the progressive movement. The American people need to hear this stuff. Say what you want about the other shit he says. He has had more Austrian style economists on his show than anyone else on primetime TV. Wait, he's on at 4PM central. He's not even primetime, and look at his ratings.

wormyguy
09-26-2010, 05:46 PM
He's brought a much more liberty-oriented message to millions of people who would otherwise be rotting their brains with Hannity or O'Reilly or Limbaugh. He therefore is helpful, if not perfect.

Maximus
09-26-2010, 05:53 PM
Beck is an ally. He isn't pure. He is MSM.

Let's take what we can get from him.

Stop freaking out if he doesn't completely tow the line. Like others have said, he gives us a platform (INCLUDING LETTING THE JUDGE GUEST HOST WHEN HE'S OFF).

Let's use it to our advantage!

payme_rick
09-26-2010, 05:53 PM
he's done a lot of good for it I'll admit... it's all about nut-cuttin' time, and he hasn't show up for us there...

JamalianTheory
09-26-2010, 05:54 PM
He's brought a much more liberty-oriented message to millions of people who would otherwise be rotting their brains with Hannity or O'Reilly or Limbaugh. He therefore is helpful, if not perfect.

Exactly. People in the Ron Paul liberty movements don't want to see no one get any shine unless they completely agree with Ron Paul on every issue.

People on this board hate Glenn Beck, who probably agrees with Ron Paul at least on 80% of the issues, yet people on this board love to give Dennis Kucinich props, even though he probably disagrees with Paul on 80% of the issues. Mind you, he is a socialist.

I can't change anyone's opinion, but let's at least examine the logic of what people here are thinking.

speciallyblend
09-26-2010, 05:57 PM
i said maybe, in gop circles it is a toss of the coin head or tails on hurting and helping the liberty movement! In the general circles i would say he hurts our message to general voters and voters outside the radical right-wingers(tea/gop)!!!! In general i have do not trust rule on glenn beck!!!

djdellisanti4
09-26-2010, 06:00 PM
I think we could ask the same question of Ronald Reagan. On one hand, he made the more libertarian rhetoric visible, and before him it was not that visible among the political elites. On the other hand, he often went against his own words and now people associate capitalism with his policies

djdellisanti4
09-26-2010, 06:02 PM
Exactly. People in the Ron Paul liberty movements don't want to see no one get any shine unless they completely agree with Ron Paul on every issue.

People on this board hate Glenn Beck, who probably agrees with Ron Paul at least on 80% of the issues, yet people on this board love to give Dennis Kucinich props, even though he probably disagrees with Paul on 80% of the issues. Mind you, he is a socialist.

I can't change anyone's opinion, but let's at least examine the logic of what people here are thinking.

Here's the problem though: What happens when liberals and moderates associate Beck with Paul and make the assumption that they are one in the same. Not every voter can be as totally informed as most of the people on this board. Many people will come to believe that Beck's brand of capitalism is the same as Dr. Paul's and many people who view Beck as a radical, might also view Dr. Paul in the same way.

JamalianTheory
09-26-2010, 06:09 PM
Here's the problem though: What happens when liberals and moderates associate Beck with Paul and make the assumption that they are one in the same. Not every voter can be as totally informed as most of the people on this board. Many people will come to believe that Beck's brand of capitalism is the same as Dr. Paul's and many people who view Beck as a radical, might also view Dr. Paul in the same way.

Newsflash: Lots of people already think Ron Paul is a radical. So is Glenn Beck.

We need to forget the haters. You know that you're doing something right when haters hate.

heavenlyboy34
09-26-2010, 06:10 PM
Regardless how you feel about Beck, Do you think he has helped the liberty movement overall, or has his show hindered the movement?

I am not sure...some days he brings up good points then others...he is lost....I am not sure if he is bringing any new blood to the movement.

yes--helped
no--hurt
maybe

He's a joke. I say other-he's irrelevant.

heavenlyboy34
09-26-2010, 06:12 PM
Newsflash: Lots of people already think Ron Paul is a radical. So is Glenn Beck.

We need to forget the haters. You know that you're doing something right when haters hate.

Beck is a "radical"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D You made my day with that one! I'm rofl-ing here! :D:D:D

wormyguy
09-26-2010, 06:16 PM
I think we could ask the same question of Ronald Reagan. On one hand, he made the more libertarian rhetoric visible, and before him it was not that visible among the political elites. On the other hand, he often went against his own words and now people associate capitalism with his policies

Without Reagan, we would be a European-style Socialist country, so he has to be given credit despite his flaws. He also maintained a relatively non-interventionist foreign policy, WHICH COULD BE AN EXAMPLE FOR THE CURRENT GOP!!! :mad::mad::mad:

JamalianTheory
09-26-2010, 06:16 PM
Beck is a "radical"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D You made my day with that one! I'm rofl-ing here! :D:D:D

Even Alex Jones thinks that Beck is making radical statements that are unprecedented in the mainstream news.

I don't particularly care for Alex Jones, but even he came around to that idea.

speciallyblend
09-26-2010, 06:18 PM
I like Ron Paul but i do not agree with everything he says! I do not agree with everything Glenn Beck says but i do not like Glenn Beck! Glenn Beck could never be a Ron Paul! I trust Ron Paul! I doubt i could ever trust Glenn Beck!! Glenn Beck needs to give alot of Liberty Head before i can ever trust him again!!

unless glenn beck is a republican delegate he hurts the liberty movement in 2012 for Ron Paul

pcosmar
09-26-2010, 06:20 PM
Newsflash: Lots of people already think Ron Paul is a radical. So is Glenn Beck.

We need to forget the haters. You know that you're doing something right when haters hate.
Nother Newsflash.
Beck is not a politician. He is not running for office (yet)
He is a "journalist", an employee of a huge corporation. He will do as his employers tell him or he will be out of a job.
He did that last time and actively promoted the loser that they wanted promoted.
He has actively promoted the war agenda.
You can't separate him from his employed purpose.

FrankRep
09-26-2010, 06:23 PM
Beck is a "radical"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D You made my day with that one! I'm rofl-ing here! :D:D:D


Even Alex Jones thinks that Beck is making radical statements that are unprecedented in the mainstream news.

Alex Jones is starting to defend Glenn Beck, *don't trust him*, but is warming up to Glenn Beck.

Glenn Beck Copying Alex Jones?
YouTube - Glenn Beck Copying Alex Jones? Glenn Beck to Become 9/11 Truther in a Year? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTEwvc2ee7A)

speciallyblend
09-26-2010, 06:24 PM
Nother Newsflash.
Beck is not a politician. He is not running for office (yet)
He is a "journalist", an employee of a huge corporation. He will do as his employers tell him or he will be out of a job.
He did that last time and actively promoted the loser that they wanted promoted.
He has actively promoted the war agenda.
You can't separate him from his employed purpose.

bottom line NEVER TRUST GLENN BECK!! He has alot of Liberty Head to give before he can ever be trusted!! zip zip(sound effect for unzipping pants!!!)

Brett85
09-26-2010, 06:24 PM
Nother Newsflash.
Beck is not a politician. He is not running for office (yet)
He is a "journalist", an employee of a huge corporation. He will do as his employers tell him or he will be out of a job.
He did that last time and actively promoted the loser that they wanted promoted.
He has actively promoted the war agenda.
You can't separate him from his employed purpose.

When Beck had the Cato guys on it sounded like he wanted to bring our troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan.

pcosmar
09-26-2010, 06:28 PM
When Beck had the Cato guys on it sounded like he wanted to bring our troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Beck has said a lot of things. Often contradictory.

Brett85
09-26-2010, 06:28 PM
I will give Glenn Beck credit anytime he says, don't take my word for it do your own research.

I will give Glenn Beck credit for opening up the books of history.

I oppose Glenn on his notion government is good which he used to tear apart Medina. The evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates government is not good.

I oppose Glenn on interventionalist foreign policy.

He doesn't support an interventionalist foreign policy. Go look at some of his more recent statements rather than things that he said two or three years ago.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,591157,00.html

JamalianTheory
09-26-2010, 06:30 PM
Alex Jones is starting to defend Glenn Beck, *don't trust him*, but is warming up to Glenn Beck.

Glenn Beck Copying Alex Jones?
YouTube - Glenn Beck Copying Alex Jones? Glenn Beck to Become 9/11 Truther in a Year? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTEwvc2ee7A)

I'm glad one person is on page with me, even though our styles may be different.

I'm harsh and crude. I give FrankRep a lot of credit for posting the stuff he does, shit that is right up my alley.

JamalianTheory
09-26-2010, 06:35 PM
Beck has said a lot of things. Often contradictory.

Have you ever watched a Glenn Beck show from start to finish? Have you done it regularly?

I have, and I can tell you that A LOT of his shows are completely liberty oriented. His shows about american history, the founding fathers, and the economy would appeal to most peoples' interests on this board.

The simple problem is, people don't watch his show, and don't ever plan on watching his show. Then they find a few youtube clips and feel like they can judge him with full-on accuracy -- he's a conspiratorial CIA operative with the intention of leading the American people into a right wing New World Order.

I don't understand how so many people can judge without watching his show, yet feel so righteous in their criticisms.

pcosmar
09-26-2010, 06:38 PM
"There is quite an incredible spread of relationships. You don’t need to manipulate Time magazine, for example, because there are [Central Intelligence] Agency people at the management level."
--William B. Bader, former CIA intelligence officer, briefing members of the Senate Intelligence Committee,



"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
--William Colby, former CIA Director,

YouTube - William Schaap - Part 1/8 - The Media, CIA, FBI & Disinfo. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0)

Also reference Operation Mockingbird

Combine this with the fact that the MSM (all of them) are owned and influenced by the Counsel on Foreign Relations.
You can read their papers and positions at your leisure.

Wesker1982
09-26-2010, 06:39 PM
poll question isn't a yes or no question...

JamalianTheory
09-26-2010, 06:41 PM
poll question isn't a yes or no question...

You sho' am a good reader.

FrankRep
09-26-2010, 06:46 PM
When Beck had the Cato guys on it sounded like he wanted to bring our troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan.


Glenn Beck had an entire show today about bringing ALL of our troops home, stopping the wars and slashing the defense budget (http://www.dailypaul.com/node/131898)

Daily Paul
April 15, 2010


The goon even said that he's on his way to becoming like Ron Paul... Yup, he used Ron Paul's name more than once.

He said we should mind our own business and stop giving foreign aid to ALL countries. He even said that our policies overseas DO create unintended consequences ie. 9/11.

I'm sure someone will post the video on YouTube soon.

I don't like the guy for what he did to Medina, but he DEFINITELY helped our cause today by saying Dr. Paul's common sense stance for a sensible foreign policy to the millions of his receptive viewers.

There's no denying that Ron Paul now has a tremendous chance of winning the 2012 election!

Michigan11
09-26-2010, 06:47 PM
Rush Limbaugh - Sean Hannity - Glenn Beck... they all seem to have and cater to a certain subset of the Republican party. Did the previous two help or hurt the conservative movement since they began?

pcosmar
09-26-2010, 06:53 PM
Glenn Beck had an entire show today about bringing ALL of our troops home, stopping the wars and slashing the defense budget (http://www.dailypaul.com/node/131898)





That's interesting.
I would expect that there are some other huge changes coming.

Eyes and ears open.

btw,, I am still skeptical of there being an election in 2012.
Time will tell.

Brett85
09-26-2010, 06:54 PM
Rush Limbaugh - Sean Hannity - Glenn Beck... they all seem to have and cater to a certain subset of the Republican party. Did the previous two help or hurt the conservative movement since they began?

I like Rush, but he got a little too close too Bush and defended him way too much. Hopefully he's learned his lesson.

paulitics
09-26-2010, 06:58 PM
I like Rush, but he got a little too close too Bush and defended him way too much. Hopefully he's learned his lesson.

I don't think he has learned much since he wants to start WW3 with Iran.

FrankRep
09-26-2010, 07:03 PM
Judge Napolitano just recently gave kudos to Glenn Beck on Freedom Watch. ;)



Judge Napolitano:


Glenn Beck - leading the fight against Big Government and the Progressives. A champion of Human Freedom.

Freedom Watch Part 1 - 9/25/2010
YouTube - Freedom Watch Part 1 - Attacks On Common Sense 9/25/2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S97K1IERMA4)

Baptist
09-26-2010, 07:41 PM
He's a warmonger. As long as we're a nation of warmongers, we'll never restore liberty. I voted no.

JamalianTheory
09-26-2010, 07:45 PM
He's a warmonger. As long as we're a nation of warmongers, we'll never restore liberty. I voted no.

As someone pointed out earlier, the question was not meant for a yes or no answer.

LOL.

Want to explain what you mean?

Baptist
09-26-2010, 08:44 PM
As someone pointed out earlier, the question was not meant for a yes or no answer.

LOL.

Want to explain what you mean?



uhhhhh did you guys not read the OP?


Regardless how you feel about Beck, Do you think he has helped the liberty movement overall, or has his show hindered the movement?

I am not sure...some days he brings up good points then others...he is lost....I am not sure if he is bringing any new blood to the movement.

yes--helped
no--hurt
maybe


I put "no," meaning, he hurt.

puppetmaster
09-27-2010, 12:35 AM
surprised.....I thought it would be more "hurt" the movement then "helped"......but its early.
I think Beck falls apart too easy and loses rational thinkers by his crazed showmanship.