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Anti Federalist
09-24-2010, 08:39 PM
ATF targets gun dealers to stem sales to Mexican cartels

By Michael Isikoff
National investigative correspondent

NBC News
updated 9/24/2010 1:58:48 PM ET

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39345370/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

U.S. law enforcement officials have devised an aggressive and potentially controversial new strategy to crack down on the illegal gun trade to Mexico by targeting cartel networks inside this country and "corrupt" U.S. firearms dealers, according to internal Justice Department documents obtained by NBC News.

The documents also state that the drug traffickers appear to have expanded efforts to acquire firepower in the U.S. by tapping well-developed supply networks beyond the Southwest border region in order to acquire high-powered assault rifles as well as components for improvised explosive devices (IEDs).


The new strategy was prepared in recent weeks by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF)’s Office of Field Operations, in the wake of stinging criticism of current ATF efforts to stem the flow of weapons to the cartels by the Justice Department’s inspector general.

Labeled “law enforcement sensitive,” it calls for ATF agents to put more emphasis on monitoring the activities of U.S. guns stores and other federally licensed firearms dealers who may be assisting or turning a blind eye to gun purchases by drug cartel operatives. The report describes such “corrupt” U.S. firearms dealers as “high value targets” -- a phrase that could rile gun rights groups and their supporters in Congress who charge ATF is already too aggressive in regulating the firearms industry.

The principal thrust of the revised strategy directs that ATF agents focus on taking down the operations of high-level gun traffickers working for specific Mexican cartels rather than simply trying to arrest low-level “straw buyers,” as they have often done in the past.

It also calls on agents to use more sophisticated investigative methods, such as analyzing financial and telephone records, routinely used in terrorism and organized crime cases, and to work more closely with other federal agencies such as the Drug Enforcement Administration.

oyarde
09-24-2010, 08:41 PM
So they will be checking dealers phone records . What are they looking for Hispanic names ? WTH .

pcosmar
09-24-2010, 08:43 PM
Gun dealers?
Like this one?

http://home.millsaps.edu/mcelvrs/Ollie_North.jpg

:mad:

They aren't getting the full auto military arsenal M16s from the gun shops in this country.

Anti Federalist
09-24-2010, 08:46 PM
Gun dealers?
Like this one?

http://home.millsaps.edu/mcelvrs/Ollie_North.jpg

:mad:

They aren't getting the full auto military arsenal M16s from the gun shops in this country.

Or the grenades and RPGs.

:mad:

oyarde
09-24-2010, 08:47 PM
Gun dealers?
Like this one?

http://home.millsaps.edu/mcelvrs/Ollie_North.jpg

:mad:

They aren't getting the full auto military arsenal M16s from the gun shops in this country.

No , many of them did belong to the Mexicam military previously .

Anti Federalist
09-24-2010, 08:49 PM
No , many of them did belong to the Mexicam military previously .

Pete makes an awesome point about who the real gun runners are with that photo.

Brian4Liberty
09-24-2010, 08:50 PM
This would explain the following sting operation:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=260221

pcosmar
09-24-2010, 08:50 PM
No , many of them did belong to the Mexicam military previously .

And were transfers to the Mexicans by,,,,?

Clue.
Not bubba down the street.

oyarde
09-24-2010, 08:53 PM
And were transfers to the Mexicans by,,,,?

Clue.
Not bubba down the street.

Correct , sold to the Mexican military by the US and other countries . I am unaware of Mexican arms production.

Pericles
09-24-2010, 09:10 PM
Wish I could find the article again when this started and a shipment of M16s were found bound for Mexico and the trace revealed that the M16s went from the US gov to the Army of the Republic of Vietnam, and were lost at that point until seized by ATF.

pcosmar
09-24-2010, 09:25 PM
I also remember that more recently arms shipments to Iraq went missing. Quite a large number in fact.
It wasn't just a box that fell off the truck. ;)
Found some.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IH17Ak01.html

As a result, the GAO found a discrepancy of at least 190,000 weapons between data reported by the former commander of the Multinational Security Transition Command-Iraq (MNSTC-I) and the property books. The GAO report indicates that US military officials do not know what happened to 30% of the weapons the United States distributed to Iraqi forces from 2004 through early this year.

Bet I could find more if I look.
and I am not even a paid investigator.
How much do those ATF guys make ? and they can't tell a real from a toy gun.

CCTelander
09-25-2010, 02:15 AM
F-Troop has been tirelessly working to put as many honest gun dealers as possible out of business for decades. It's been their plainly stated agenda for as long as I can remember.

Something like 90% of their prosecutions are for non-violent "violations" that frequently amount to little more than paperwork mistakes.

Their conviction rate is above 98%.

Most of the people they prosecute are bankrupted by the process. MANY wind up serving decades in federal prison for failing to properly fill out forms, or for an NFA form that went missing in F-Troop's system. The error rate in their NFA system is something like 50%. They ALWAYS testify in court, under oath, that their system is 100% accurate.

Just a few interesting facts about F-Troop.

Southron
09-25-2010, 08:11 AM
I wish disbanding the ATF was in the "Pledge".

pcosmar
09-25-2010, 09:25 AM
I wish disbanding the ATF was in the "Pledge".
:)

No chance in hell.

Besides,
The Pledge is not really a Pledge, It's more of a Guideline.

http://www.devon-cornwall-film.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/johnny-depp-pirates-of-the-caribbean.jpg

Cowlesy
09-25-2010, 09:51 AM
I also remember that more recently arms shipments to Iraq went missing. Quite a large number in fact.
It wasn't just a box that fell off the truck. ;)
Found some.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IH17Ak01.html


Bet I could find more if I look.
and I am not even a paid investigator.
How much do those ATF guys make ? and they can't tell a real from a toy gun.

Good grief, 190,000 guns go *poof*, and these guys spend their times freaking out about illegible signatures on some guys application to buy a Taurus Judge in the middle of Oklahoma.

Talk about having your priorities straight.