CBS now: Oprah doing a special on how much the Public School system sucks

[MRoCkEd]

On CBS right now. Chris Christie is going to be on the show.

It won't come to the conclusion we want (get rid of public schools) but at least its shedding light on the problems with the system and the unions which make it impossible to fire bad teachers.

[Justinjj1]

Might be interesting. John Stossel did a good show a while back on the problems with the public school system.

YouTube - Stupid in America (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofw)

[fedup100]

Wouldn't watch the fascist ass kissing bitch if she paid me.

[angelatc]

YOu guys, there is a woman over at Democratic Underground who has blogged about the Obama school agenda extensively. She is union, and therefore threatened by it, but if you can get past that, what she is saying is true.

They don't want to fix the schools - they want to turn them over to education mega-corporations.

[oyarde]

How is her school in Africa doing ?

[Romulus]

They don't want to fix the schools - they want to turn them over to education mega-corporations.

Big Gov fixes everything.. when it doesnt, bigger Gov is needed.

That is their motto.

[Anti Federalist]

The schools are not "failing".

They are doing exactly what they were designed to do.

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

The schools are not "failing".

They are doing exactly what they were designed to do.

aye

[HOLLYWOOD]

Arne Duncan, Secretary 'Dept of Edg-A-Ma-Cuasion' and gang of Crones out of Chicago... was on the Pundit channels just yesterday pushing, get this... More Money into the DOE/Schools.

Love these losers that just keep throwing the taxpayers' money at intentional failure. But there's a reason, there's a plan, the government needs something to campaign for and politicians love hiding behind children and winning elections on Educational Funding. Same gimmick every 2, 4, & 6 years by these Capital Hill Charlatans.

Or maybe... It has to be the reprisals for campaign donations from the NEA - National Education Association 2,709,396 members?

[heavenlyboy34]

The schools are not "failing".

They are doing exactly what they were designed to do.

Nice J.T. Gatto quote, bro. :cool:

[newyearsrevolution08]

what were those liberty home school lessons? I have been trying to find them so I can get them for my son.

Can't wait to be able to home school or at least hire a home school teacher with the ability to teach what I want to be taught to my son.

[torchbearer]

Nice J.T. Gatto quote, bro. :cool:

Gatto was our main guest speaker at one of our previous LP state conventions.
Some people were in tears because of the severity of the situation.

[Anti Federalist]

Nice J.T. Gatto quote, bro. :cool:

Aye. ;)

[Legend1104]

I am a school teacher and I get so sick of people that have never taught telling everyone why schools are failing, especially when their anwser is bad teachers. I agree that the federal government getting into schools is a major problem because I have to waste my time trying to defeat teen pregnancy, fight obesity, make them into moral and responsible adults, and create productive citizens. I also agree that unions cause a lot of problems in some states, but the truth is that does not answer the real problem of why schools fail. Any teacher that is worth 2 cents can tell you why schools fail to educate kids. It is the whole out look of society. We have an entitlement society that believes that they are entitled to everything and that they do not have to work for it. As a teacher I am taught that if a student fails then it is my fault and I am expected to give them the "A." they are not willing to work for it. If I taught like I wanted to teach, everyone of my kids would fail and I would be fired. We have dumbed it down for them so much it makes me sick. Some may say that it is just public schools but, compared to some of the genius in other parts of the world and in our past (Thomas Jefferson could speak French and Latin by age 12), even private schools don't do good enough. Kids should be allowed to fail, schools need to be harder and care more about the gaining of knowledge and skill rather than just passing a grade, manditory attendence needs to be thrown out the window, schools should not be paid for by tax money but rather out of a parents pocket so parents have a monetary incentive to want their students to pass, and teachers should be allowed to kick students out of class permanently. Vouchers would not solve the problem because an education should be seen as something with value instead of a right. Only kids that desire an education should be allowed to get one. In the end most of the problem stems from society and a failing system. Most teachers get a bum rap and get all the blame when we fail to succeed in an impossibly broken system.

[angelatc]

Legend1104, I think most of us would agree with you. My kids are in public schools, and between the 2 of them they've had two bad teachers, which we figured wouldn't screw them up for life. But the administrators bend over backwards to get the kids through school, which is just opposite of how it should be.

[Anti Federalist]

The schools are not "failing".

They are doing exactly what they were designed to do.



I am a school teacher and I get so sick of people that have never taught telling everyone why schools are failing, especially when their anwser is bad teachers. I agree that the federal government getting into schools is a major problem because I have to waste my time trying to defeat teen pregnancy, fight obesity, make them into moral and responsible adults, and create productive citizens. I also agree that unions cause a lot of problems in some states, but the truth is that does not answer the real problem of why schools fail. Any teacher that is worth 2 cents can tell you why schools fail to educate kids. It is the whole out look of society. We have an entitlement society that believes that they are entitled to everything and that they do not have to work for it. As a teacher I am taught that if a student fails then it is my fault and I am expected to give them the "A." they are not willing to work for it. If I taught like I wanted to teach, everyone of my kids would fail and I would be fired. We have dumbed it down for them so much it makes me sick. Some may say that it is just public schools but, compared to some of the genius in other parts of the world and in our past (Thomas Jefferson could speak French and Latin by age 12), even private schools don't do good enough. Kids should be allowed to fail, schools need to be harder and care more about the gaining of knowledge and skill rather than just passing a grade, manditory attendence needs to be thrown out the window, schools should not be paid for by tax money but rather out of a parents pocket so parents have a monetary incentive to want their students to pass, and teachers should be allowed to kick students out of class permanently. Vouchers would not solve the problem because an education should be seen as something with value instead of a right. Only kids that desire an education should be allowed to get one. In the end most of the problem stems from society and a failing system. Most teachers get a bum rap and get all the blame when we fail to succeed in an impossibly broken system.

[Fredom101]

Big Gov fixes everything.. when it doesnt, bigger Gov is needed.

That is their motto.

Exactly!

Oprah likely wants us all to get ready to cough up more money for schools cuz, more money has always fixed the problems in the past, and, don't you care about the children? :rolleyes:

[newyearsrevolution08]

I am a school teacher and I get so sick of people that have never taught telling everyone why schools are failing, especially when their anwser is bad teachers. I agree that the federal government getting into schools is a major problem because I have to waste my time trying to defeat teen pregnancy, fight obesity, make them into moral and responsible adults, and create productive citizens. I also agree that unions cause a lot of problems in some states, but the truth is that does not answer the real problem of why schools fail. Any teacher that is worth 2 cents can tell you why schools fail to educate kids. It is the whole out look of society. We have an entitlement society that believes that they are entitled to everything and that they do not have to work for it. As a teacher I am taught that if a student fails then it is my fault and I am expected to give them the "A." they are not willing to work for it. If I taught like I wanted to teach, everyone of my kids would fail and I would be fired. We have dumbed it down for them so much it makes me sick. Some may say that it is just public schools but, compared to some of the genius in other parts of the world and in our past (Thomas Jefferson could speak French and Latin by age 12), even private schools don't do good enough. Kids should be allowed to fail, schools need to be harder and care more about the gaining of knowledge and skill rather than just passing a grade, manditory attendence needs to be thrown out the window, schools should not be paid for by tax money but rather out of a parents pocket so parents have a monetary incentive to want their students to pass, and teachers should be allowed to kick students out of class permanently. Vouchers would not solve the problem because an education should be seen as something with value instead of a right. Only kids that desire an education should be allowed to get one. In the end most of the problem stems from society and a failing system. Most teachers get a bum rap and get all the blame when we fail to succeed in an impossibly broken system.

I can talk about bad teachers

my son currently has one

i'll paint the picture



my son can sometimes talk more than he needs to, seems to have my issues as far as wanting to ask questions and know stuff WHICH I know can be an issue as far as teachers go however all of his previous teachers realized that he wanted to be included, likes helping the teacher and overall be "involved".

His current teacher however has an issue with his talking WHICH I do agree needs to be stopped as far as the "raise hand and answer ONCE called on" however instead of dealing with the situation he actually moved him to the back of the class and actually FACING the back wall. Not even facing the teacher, the board NOTHING.

Then he doesn't get him homework for the week until wednesday and that took me going down there asking why he hasn't gotten homework when the guy says "friday" he will get it. I don't get how he can get THIS WEEKS homework on the last day of the week.

Plus once we get his homework it is missing inbetween pages. Next was where my son YET AGAIN won't be quiet which I know is an issue so he gets sent to lunch late for talking and at that point misses lunch since it is "timed" so he ended up missing lunch on two occasions which I finally was able to get to the bottom of.

Another parent had similar issues as far as them skipping lunch and apparently her child didn't have her head down to be let out on time.

My son on one of those same non eating lunch days apparently bugged the teacher with his talking that he removed his entire weeks recess which really doesn't help a kid with a chatty kathy mentality in the damn least.

I agree my son needs to zip it until asked as well as listen to his teacher however we have never had any issues and all his teachers before loved his attitude and wanting to help out and in general a very active kid.

This same teacher simply didn't show up one day and luckily another teacher saw our kids just standing outside the door waiting to be let in and brought them to her class.

He has tenure or however it is spelled and apparently that really is all that matters and he can do whatever the hell he wants to do.

My son has his faults however all teachers before KNEW how to deal with kids of all levels of activity. Some are quiet, some are off the wall and many in between.

I don't think all teachers should be teaching plain and simple.

[Stary Hickory]

I am a school teacher and I get so sick of people that have never taught telling everyone why schools are failing, especially when their anwser is bad teachers. I agree that the federal government getting into schools is a major problem because I have to waste my time trying to defeat teen pregnancy, fight obesity, make them into moral and responsible adults, and create productive citizens. I also agree that unions cause a lot of problems in some states, but the truth is that does not answer the real problem of why schools fail. Any teacher that is worth 2 cents can tell you why schools fail to educate kids. It is the whole out look of society. We have an entitlement society that believes that they are entitled to everything and that they do not have to work for it. As a teacher I am taught that if a student fails then it is my fault and I am expected to give them the "A." they are not willing to work for it. If I taught like I wanted to teach, everyone of my kids would fail and I would be fired. We have dumbed it down for them so much it makes me sick. Some may say that it is just public schools but, compared to some of the genius in other parts of the world and in our past (Thomas Jefferson could speak French and Latin by age 12), even private schools don't do good enough. Kids should be allowed to fail, schools need to be harder and care more about the gaining of knowledge and skill rather than just passing a grade, manditory attendence needs to be thrown out the window, schools should not be paid for by tax money but rather out of a parents pocket so parents have a monetary incentive to want their students to pass, and teachers should be allowed to kick students out of class permanently. Vouchers would not solve the problem because an education should be seen as something with value instead of a right. Only kids that desire an education should be allowed to get one. In the end most of the problem stems from society and a failing system. Most teachers get a bum rap and get all the blame when we fail to succeed in an impossibly broken system.

At the end of the day it is not your job to determine who is educated properly or not it is the parents who determine what is good education. The current system gives parents very little say in their childs education. They are charged for education services against their will and cannot choose not to patronize the public school system

If you taught in a free market you could teach however you wanted but people would hire and pay you only when how you taught in a way that suited their needs. And this is how it should be. It's like this for car repair, for restaurants, for apartment renting, for TVs, house cleaning, car washes....and so on.

The schools are jacked up because people do not have the choice not to patronize bad schools.

[Marenco]

"The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses." - Albert Einstein

[silus]

Wouldn't watch the fascist ass kissing bitch if she paid me.
Your hatred accomplishes nothing.

[Fox McCloud]

Call me a cynic, but her program would likely just call for "reform", "more funding", "more strategic funding", or the likes; basically more of the same that will just cause our schools to fall further behind.

Europe is still socialistic in their school-system, like ours, but it involves a bit less central planning...since money is attached to the student and not the school itself (like our model).

[tnvoter]

I don't mind terrible schools existing.

JUST STOP CHARGING ME FOR THEM.