Why does everyone seem so certain Hiliary will win?

[dude58677]

Isn't undermining Obama's grassroot support also undermine Ron Paul's grassroot support?

[Corydoras]

Isn't undermining Obama's grassroot support also undermine Ron Paul's grassroot support?

How so?

[dude58677]

cause democrats are sheep, and vote for bill2 so they think.

Yes, but Obama has larger grassroot support then Hiliary(more meetup groups and donations) .

[csen]

Isn't undermining Obama's grassroot support also undermine Ron Paul's grassroot support?

1) Hillary has a mammoth lead over Obama in the polls -- 40%+ in some states
2) the media has gone out of its way to promote Obama and it hasn't had an impact -- people know his message and aren't swayed by it
3) intrade has Hillary up at 75% and Obama rapidly fading

I honestly believe one of Obama's biggest problems is the Ron Paul Revolution -- all of the really fervent supporters have decided he's a much better vehicle for change than the "all hat, no cattle" Obama.

[dude58677]

How so?

We are saying that Hiliary is going to win because she leads the polls over Obama while we say that polls means nothing and we ignore Obama's number of donors and meet up groups which is much more then Hiliary.

[McDermit]

obama has no substance. Hillary is a familiar face and people assume bill will be largely influential in anything she does.

[dude58677]

obama has no substance. Hillary is a familiar face and people assume bill will be largely influential in anything she does.

All of you are IGNORING Obama's grassroot support. He has 250,000 donors and Hiliary has 50,000.

[Cindy]

1) Because their media overlords tell them she will.

[dude58677]

1) Because their media overlords tell them she will.

Thank you. No further questions your honor. You may step down.

[klamath]

Obama has peaked and is on the way down. If he had kept building momentum he might have been a contender. If RP across the board started going downward in the polls I would be saying the same thing about him. Dean peaked a month early and then started down. Had he peaked a month later and won NH or Iowa he probably would have won.

[Taco John]

It's really all about the power of Bill with them. You can tell she's being coached up very well.

[McDermit]

Okay, I'll give my personal reason. I've met only one Obama supporter. Everyone I've talked to is indifferent or dislikes him. He certainly won't be taking either of my counties.

[terlinguatx]

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[McDermit]

Thank you. No further questions your honor. You may step down.

LOL. Why start a thread if the only opinion you're interested in is your own?

[texasbelle]

I think the neo-cons want Hillary to be the Dem nominee. So at debates they "address" her and not the others.. She draws such a negative opinion it will be easy to run a smear campaign against her. I dont know why but I listen to Hannity :mad: almost everyday and all they talk about is Hillary. You can tell he is foaming at the mouth for her to be the nominee because he will never run out of things to put her down with. But I know Ron Paul is the only one who can beat Hillary.

[Corydoras]

Obama has peaked and is on the way down. If he had kept building momentum he might have been a contender.

I agree. I think he jumped the shark when he said he'd go into Pakistan to bomb AQ.

[Corydoras]

Another factor working against Obama is his wife. This stuff about socks on the floor and morning breath and body odor was beyond TMI, it was icky. Bill is perfectly supportive of Hillary in comparison.

[Primbs]

Didn't Obama just raise a million dollars in one day. That would not be a candidate who is counted out just yet.

[austin356]

It does not matter if Obama wins Iowa and NH. SHE WILL WIN on super Tuesday. The powers in place are too strong.


You think this is just a coincidence?

Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton-Clinton?

No there is something much deeper than fundraising and media attention.

[Chrispy]

Obama has a lot of young supporters, which means...... yes thats right the polls are rigged on the democrat side also.

[dspectre]

If you ever notice, these things start in the media. They repeat the same thing over and over again, and therefore people start believing it whether it is true or not(It's a classic propaganda technique).

I'm not saying it always works, but it works a good bit of the time.

I honestly believe people on the Republican side of the media don't mind if Hillary wins. It would definitely boost fox news' ratings if they have the Clintons to attack all over again.

[Birdlady]

Have you ever looked at the people who donated to Hillary? It's scary.

David Rockefeller
Rupert Murdoch

Those two are enough to freak me out. If you have them backing you, it's serious business.

I am sure there are many others, but I haven't been able to think of any other names.

[SlapItHigh]

I think you bring up an excellent point. Obama should not be discounted. I tend to think that he doesn't stand a chance against Hillary because she has an enormous amount of power and will stop at nothing to achieve her goal (and I mean N. O. T. H. I. N. G.). She is scary. Admittedly this is pure opinion and I don't think it means that Obama has no chance at all.

[ronpaulhawaii]

Hillary supporters are fairly easy to turn. She is Pro War

[LibertyEagle]

obama has no substance. Hillary is a familiar face and people assume bill will be largely influential in anything she does.

That's supposed to be a good thing? :confused: :eek:

[redpillguy]

If you ever notice, these things start in the media. They repeat the same thing over and over again, and therefore people start believing it whether it is true or not(It's a classic propaganda technique).

Exactly.

http://rabbit-hole-journey.blogspot.com/2007/09/reps-and-dems-are-pushing-authoritarian.html

The Reps and Dems are together, pushing an Authoritarian, Socialist agenda

I believe The Plan is that the public will be so angry at the Republicans (Neoconservatives, actually), that they'll elect a Democrat, and think "thank goodness we now have a Democrat". And then, said Democratic president will NOT undo the authoritarian EO's that Bush put in place, and then proceed to get away with, and screw the nation, with more socialist policies.

[redpillguy]

Have you ever looked at the people who donated to Hillary? It's scary.

David Rockefeller
Rupert Murdoch

Those two are enough to freak me out. If you have them backing you, it's serious business.


Have a look at the list of media moguls:
http://rabbit-hole-journey.blogspot.com/2007/10/media-moguls-bankers-and-cfr.html

[adpierce]

I still believe in the power of grassroots support. Obama will ultimately win the nomination in my opinion. He's got a message which (due to his recent entry into Washington) he can claim to be consistent in. He's got an actual ideology behind his campaign, which Hillary lacks (maybe actually she has several ideologies actually). I finally think that even the democrats recognize how unscrupulous a woman Hillary Clinton is. I honestly think if you put her and Bill in a contest to see who can go the longest without telling a lie I think Bill would win. Despite this I honestly think Obama's a stooge like the rest of em, just give him time.

[thehittgirl]

I think the neo-cons want Hillary to be the Dem nominee. So at debates they "address" her and not the others.. She draws such a negative opinion it will be easy to run a smear campaign against her. I dont know why but I listen to Hannity :mad: almost everyday and all they talk about is Hillary. You can tell he is foaming at the mouth for her to be the nominee because he will never run out of things to put her down with. But I know Ron Paul is the only one who can beat Hillary.

I agree. Hubby listened to Rush when Bill was in, and said Hannity and Rush would love to see Hillary Clinton get in. He says Rush built his popularity by bashing Clinton. I was in a political coma back then myself so I don't know.

[thehittgirl]

Have you ever looked at the people who donated to Hillary? It's scary.

David Rockefeller
Rupert Murdoch

Those two are enough to freak me out. If you have them backing you, it's serious business.

I am sure there are many others, but I haven't been able to think of any other names.

Murdoch also donated to Giuliani. All part of the machinery :rolleyes:

[Nash]

All of you are IGNORING Obama's grassroot support. He has 250,000 donors and Hiliary has 50,000.

Because the media loves him and is pushing him every chance they get and he's not going anywhere in the polls.

Because he has tons of money and isn't going anywhere in the polls.

Because he's inexperienced and a lousy politico

Because Hilary is a juggernaut.

Conversely for Ron Paul.

The media ignores him yet he's creeping up in the Polls.

He's very experienced and a savvy political force.

The polls are understated IMO because he has a lot of support from atypical voters and republicans.

Because the Republican field is extremely weak. The front-runner is hated by social conservatives and their great hope Thompson is lazy and Romney is a total idiot.

Ron Paul would have no chance to win if this was the 2000 primaries (where Bush crushed everyone and had enormous amounts of money) but since all the money is going to the Democrat side his 5 million bucks is significant.

[thuja]

1) Because their media overlords tell them she will.

right.
i am runing into lots of those, and it's work to get them interested in taking control of their own future.

[Roxi]

im convinced because all the clues lead to the assumption that Hillary is who the establishment wants in the white house... i couldn't even begin to delve into the many possibilities of why without being up for hours and starting plenty of arguments.