Grade the "Pledge to America"

[Anti Federalist]

Grade poll.

Right now it is getting an "F".

Open comments as well.

http://www.libertycentral.org/grade-the-pledge-to-america-2010-09

[newyearsrevolution08]

woohoo fox's tea party is going 100% back to the constitution lol.

I don't want any actual liberty candidates trying to go under that banner with palin and those other b.s. fake patriots.

[AuH20]

woohoo fox's tea party is going 100% back to the constitution lol.

I don't want any actual liberty candidates trying to go under that banner with palin and those other b.s. fake patriots.

The Tea Party hates this garbage. Maybe a quarter will swallow it.

[sailingaway]

Gave it an F. Said it is time for establishment Republicans to listen, not talk.

[Kotin]

F!!



What a joke.

[BetaMale]

Its not good, considering all of the time they've had to at least pretend that this was inspired by grassroots resistance against big government. This is proof once again that the GOP is out of touch and does not deserve power. If we vote them back in, we deserve everything we get.

Reason's blog has a nice quick little write up on why this sucks: http://reason.com/blog/2010/09/23/pledgin-their-time-but-not-to

[bwlibertyman]

it hasn't gotten a single a vote yet.

[ItsTime]

voted f.

[Slutter McGee]

I am going to give it a D- just to be different from all yall.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[newyearsrevolution08]

I am going to give it a D- just to be different from all yall.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

I think that is how the Democratic party started as well lol.

[Fozz]

I give it a C.

An F would be a wholesale rejection of liberty, a call for inflation, a call for war with Iran, and a military draft.

[Maximus]

I was pleasantly surprised at the call to cite Constitutional authority in bills...

[bunklocoempire]

To the GOP:

If you upheld your oath, you wouldn't have need for a "pledge".

:rolleyes::mad:


Bunkloco

[BetaMale]

My brother mentioned it to me that the GOP is just not trying to upset old people. They would never mention anything about cutting entitlements. It would destroy them...

[Brett85]

There really isn't a net decrease in spending in this when the GOP wants to keep spending trillions on endless war. Until we bring our troops home and end the empire we'll never balance the budget and pay off the debt.

[Fozz]

I was pleasantly surprised at the call to cite Constitutional authority in bills...

That is just a meaningless sop.

[Dr.3D]

To the GOP:

If you upheld your oath, you wouldn't have need for a "pledge".

:rolleyes::mad:


Bunkloco

Well, there has to be some sort of penalty for violating the oath or their so called pledge, then perhaps we can discuss it further.

[fisharmor]

Wow, they were obviously aiming for founding principles but fairly immediately veered away.


Whenever the agenda of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the
people to institute a new governing agenda and set a different course.
These first principles were proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence, enshrined in the
Constitution, and have endured through hard sacrifice and commitment by generations of
Americans.

BZZZZZZT!!!! Wrong.
It is not the right of the people to set a new agenda,
it is the right of the people to alter or abolish the government itself.

Reading is fundamental.

[Southron]

I was pleasantly surprised at the call to cite Constitutional authority in bills...

They will all just cite the commerce clause.

[Anti Federalist]

Wow, they were obviously aiming for founding principles but fairly immediately veered away.



BZZZZZZT!!!! Wrong.
It is not the right of the people to set a new agenda,
it is the right of the people to alter or abolish the government itself.

Reading is fundamental.

Thread winner.

Been making that point all over.

[specsaregood]

I was pleasantly surprised at the call to cite Constitutional authority in bills...

Ya know, I remember a rep talking about this and he said they already have such a rule in place. But everybody just cites the general welfare clause or commerce clause.

[Brian4Liberty]

I gave it it a quick review. Here's my objections:

Nothing in the document about the Federal Reserve. What about the popular "Audit the Fed" drive that they pretended to co-sponsor? Lost somewhere?


The need for urgent action to repair our economy

"We are from the government, and we are here to help".

Urgent actions and long-winded "plans" are a little scary. The only action they need to take is to butt-out of the economy.


We pledge to honor families, traditional marriage, life, and the private and faith-based organizations that form the core of our American values.

Yawn. Gays and abortion. Such major fiscal issues. And they didn't want any gay or socially moderate votes anyway.


We offer a plan to stop out of-control spending and reduce the size of government. With common-sense exceptions for seniors, veterans, and our troops,...

So they are not going to cut war spending...


We will impose a net hiring freeze on non-security federal employees

Yippee. They will keep increasing the Homeland Security budget. Gee, where do they stand on violating American's rights via the "Patriot" Act? And of course they have to keep those million dollar checks flowing to the ADL and SPLC to put out short documents that attack the "Patriot" movement.


Expand Health Savings Accounts
Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) are popular savings accounts that provide cost effective health insurance to those who might otherwise go uninsured.

Just what I always wanted, Government controlled savings accounts. :rolleyes:


We are a nation at war. We must confront the worldwide threat of terrorism and to deal with the world as it is, not as we wish it to be.

More war... :(


And we will never apologize for advancing the cause of freedom and democracy around the world, nor will we abandon our historic role in lifting up those who struggle to receive the blessings of liberty.

More spreading "democracy" and nation building? :mad:


National security is more than just war fighting: it is protecting our citizens, bringing certainty to an uncertain world

Wow! "Certainty to an uncertain world," that will be impressive. How much will it cost? :rolleyes:


Demand an Overarching Detention Policy
Foreign terrorists do not have the same rights as American citizens, nor do they have more rights than U.S. military personnel.

Guantanamo forever! No constitutional rights, no POW rights, no rights at all.


Require Tough Enforcement of Sanctions against Iran

The Iranian regime is a state-sponsor of terrorism, has actively worked to harm our deployed troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and violates the rights and will of its own people. It has declared its determination to acquire a nuclear capability, which threatens its neighbors and the security of the United States. We will work to ensure the government aggressively and effectively implements the sanctions with the tools Congress has provided.

Bomb, bomb, bomb...bomb, bomb Iran! :rolleyes:

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In summary, it's a neo-conservative manifesto, with a lot of lip service paid to small government and the Constitution.

[Anti Federalist]

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[Michigan11]

Voted this new pledge is a complete joke, remember the bullshi% contract with America in 94'. Even then before I was awakened, I thought that was ridiculous, we need to send out emails to everyone we know to go viral telling people what a scam this is. Keep pushing and keep it together!

[Matt Collins]

we need to send out emails to everyone we know to go viral telling people what a scam this is. Keep pushing and keep it together!I'm on it!

[Michigan11]

I'm on it!

Let's Get Ready!

[Matt Collins]

I was pleasantly surprised at the call to cite Constitutional authority in bills...
Why don't you ask one of the Republicans who voted for TARP if they think that TARP is Constitutional? :cool:



The problem with these people is that they think the Constitution = whatever the courts say.

[RSLudlum]

We will impose a net hiring freeze on non-security federal employees

Yippee. They will keep increasing the Homeland Security budget. Gee, where do they stand on violating American's rights via the "Patriot" Act? And of course they have to keep those million dollar checks flowing to the ADL and SPLC to put out short documents that attack the "Patriot" movement.



Not only that but at a time when just about anything including fat kids and school lunches are considered a national security threat, there's plenty of hiring that can be done under 'security' umbrella.

[Southron]

I was at least hoping for some elimination of departments that we could get behind.

The spending cuts are so weak (assuming they follow through) that they would probably be less than the increases in defense/security spending proposed.

I honestly think that they grew the military-industrial complex so large since 9/11 that they are afraid not to feed it.

They probably rightly believe all the contractors and businesses that are feeding off defense spending will turn to the Democrats if they don't keep it up.

[BetaMale]

Even my GOP friends have been posting on Facebook about how much bullshit this thing is. I have a feeling this will blow up in their face.

[AlexMerced]

YouTube - GOP Pledge for America - My Thoughts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2MB25M4UMM)

[Fozz]

Just what I always wanted, Government controlled savings accounts. :rolleyes:
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In summary, it's a neo-conservative manifesto, with a lot of lip service paid to small government and the Constitution.

Ron Paul supports medical savings accounts.

But other than that, I agree that this "pledge" SUCKS.

[AlexMerced]

this would be a better "Pledge to America"

A Birpartisan Action Plan on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/15086209)

[Matt Collins]

http://animalspooing.com/data/media/2/pooping.jpg

[bunklocoempire]

http://animalspooing.com/data/media/2/pooping.jpg

LOL! Thank you! Made my day!:D


Bunkloco

[surf]

F (49%, 1,149 Votes)
D (16%, 364 Votes)
A (13%, 297 Votes)
C (12%, 282 Votes)
B (10%, 252 Votes)

[purplechoe]

Talk about a PR stunt... :rolleyes:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/politics/2010/09/23/sot.boehner.pledge.cnn.640x360.jpg

[devil21]

Reminds me of Contract WIth America in the 90's, GWB's platform in 2000, etc etc....but now with more nation building, wars, and police state.

F grade, of course.

[devil21]

Talk about a PR stunt... :rolleyes:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/politics/2010/09/23/sot.boehner.pledge.cnn.640x360.jpg

Quick! Everyone take off your ties so you look folksy. :rolleyes:

[Matt Collins]

Quick! Everyone take off your ties so you look folksy. :rolleyes:
And roll up your sleeves! :rolleyes:

[Daamien]

F. By the way, you could have utilized the actual polling feature.

[Imaginos]

F is too generous.
I'd like to give Z, if that's available.

[Brian4Liberty]

Ron Paul supports medical savings accounts.


Yeah, it's a trade-off. Tax-break vs. Government control, bureaucracy, and Corporatism. Ron Paul is being practical, and almost always sides with tax-break or refund, which is often successful. Fighting the system all the time results in very few wins.

[Anti Federalist]

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[Brian4Liberty]

It looks like "F" won the poll. Who in the world are all of these people who voted "A"? :confused: :rolleyes:

[RokiLothbard]

D-

In a vaccum I might be able to give it a B. But they already all take an Oath to follow the constitution that they openly break all the time. So I don't see why I should consider it anything other than pure BS. Still, it might accidently influence one or two of the members of the parasite class to occassionally do the right thing, so I won't go all the way to an F.

[phill4paul]

They already took a pledge.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

Just live up to that one.:cool:

[HOLLYWOOD]

They already took a pledge.

Just live up to that one.:cool:
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff63/Blind_Pig/DSC04636.jpg

[Pauls' Revere]

F (37%, 1,809 Votes)
B (19%, 914 Votes)
C (16%, 788 Votes)
A (15%, 721 Votes)
D (13%, 669 Votes)

LOL

The people aren't buying this crap again!

[Matt Collins]

YouTube - SA@TAC - Ron Paul's Pledge to America (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu8YotE2WHI)