More on the FL father who stormed a school bus and raised hell.

[Anti Federalist]

Back to the Bullying Topic
Posted by Karen De Coster on September 22, 2010 06:00 AM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/66090.html#more-66090

As usual, the bobbleheads in the MSM (mainstream media) are doing a shoddy job of reporting this story: “Florida Father Apologizes for School Bus Tirade, Threats.”

A Florida man apologized Tuesday for boarding his daughter’s school bus earlier this month and threatening the other children and the driver, saying he acted out of frustration over students bullying his daughter.

“I handled it the wrong way when I went on the bus,” James Jones said. He said he does not condone storming on the bus or his profanity-laced tirade in front of students.

I can only imagine the reactions from various libertarians concerning this man’s actions. Well, here’s my take, like it or not.

I saw the video today, and I applauded the man, James Jones, for taking a stand and defending the honor and rights of his beloved (handicapped) child. His 13-year-old daughter has cerebral palsy. She had been repeatedly bullied, taunted, spit on, called names, and physically assaulted on the public school bus (yes, being “pushed around” is an assault). He found out about these events when his daughter finally revealed why she didn’t want to go to school any longer. His heart broke. He lost his temper and stormed a school bus, taking no other actions except yelling at the assortment of delinquents who filled the yellow-and-black bully pulpit. He cussed and tossed f-bombs, and threatened to kick the butts of the guilty punks.

Indeed, he said he’d “kill whoever did it,” but the word was not used literally. Other than the use of that word in temper, James Jones only rose up in defense against the repeated violence foisted upon his child. The media reaction was painfully predictable. How dare any person storm the sacred ground of a public education prison transport full of wonderful children and desecrate its semi-sacred ambience with profanity?

The collective, politically correct forces made James Jones go public and “urge parents not to follow his example, but to use available resources and talk to the school if their child is being bullied.” They have put this man on Good Morning America, and in press conferences, to genuflect before the alters of the educational system’s codes of political correctness. He has performed forced apology after forced apology, because he stepped up, in righteous anger and fatherly love, to defend his helpless baby girl.

He is therefore facing “two misdemeanor charges of disorderly conduct and disturbing a school function.” “Disturbing a school function” is somehow distinctive from “disturbing” anything else? Of course it is, because a “school function” is representative of the mighty indoctrination arm of the state.

Any real man, any protective father, would be pushed over the edge to react to a bunch of baggy pants losers incessantly bullying his disabled daughter who could not defend herself. As a punishment, this real man is being forced to grovel, heel, abide, and be perpetually apologetic.

[Southron]

Please homeschool! It's for the children.

[newyearsrevolution08]

public school sucks

my son learns far more at home than that place.

now to find a way to homeschool while 2 parents work

what would be sweet is a formation of a liberty minded private school

self funded by those who choose to go, no local,state, fed money involved

parents could donate their time if they choose or donate money or what have you.

[Southron]

public school sucks

my son learns far more at home than that place.

now to find a way to homeschool while 2 parents work

what would be sweet is a formation of a liberty minded private school

self funded by those who choose to go, no local,state, fed money involved

parents could donate their time if they choose or donate money or what have you.

Just curious, do you absolutely need two incomes? Do you think you could make do with one with a little discipline?

[dannno]

Wow, those kids are fuckin dbags, they probably deserved it.

[dannno]

That would have been rad if he pulled out a crowbar at the end and started yelling "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUCK A STRANGER IN THE ASS!!" and then continued to run outside and start smashing all of the bus windows.... "DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS? *SLAM* DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS?! *SLAM* *SLAM* DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUCK.... A STRANGER.... IN THE ASS!?! THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS!!! *SLAM* *SLAM*"

[Anti Federalist]

That would have been rad if he pulled out a crowbar at the end and started yelling "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUCK A STRANGER IN THE ASS!!" and then continued to run outside and start smashing all of the bus windows.... "DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS? *SLAM* DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS?! *SLAM* *SLAM* DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUCK.... A STRANGER.... IN THE ASS!?! THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS!!! *SLAM* *SLAM*"

Obviously a movie reference but I'm all :confused:

Moar info plz

[dannno]

Just curious, do you absolutely need two incomes? Do you think you could make do with one with a little discipline?

I'm sure he could do it if half of one of those incomes wasn't being stolen.

[dannno]

Obviously a movie reference but I'm all :confused:

Moar info plz

Cowlesy.


http://www.hulu.com/watch/12411/this-is-what-happens-larry


Dude. You need to watch that movie. It's like one of the best movies ever made.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

That would have been rad if he pulled out a crowbar at the end and started yelling "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUCK A STRANGER IN THE ASS!!" and then continued to run outside and start smashing all of the bus windows.... "DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS? *SLAM* DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS?! *SLAM* *SLAM* DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUCK.... A STRANGER.... IN THE ASS!?! THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS!!! *SLAM* *SLAM*"

that would have been very undude.

[pcosmar]

Cowlesy.


http://www.hulu.com/watch/12411/this-is-what-happens-larry


Dude. You need to watch that movie. It's like one of the best movies ever made.

Intended for mature audiences, not sure I qualify.

Have to log in.
:(

[Vessol]

This reminds me a bit of the scene at the end of Super Troopers.

YouTube - SUPER TROOPERS FARVA SCHOOL BUS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtX3ac0X7S8)

[dannno]

Intended for mature audiences, not sure I qualify.

Have to log in.
:(

Just rent "The Big Lebowski"


Edit: And also rent Super Troopers if you haven't seen it :D


Then get ready for the funniest shit ever.

[Andrew-Austin]

How how much a twisted little punk do you have to be to make fun of someone handicapped like that.

That this was even allowed to go on is shocking, of course the dad couldn't stand sending his defenseless daughter off to spend time with a pack of wolves each day.

[Anti Federalist]

Cowlesy.


http://www.hulu.com/watch/12411/this-is-what-happens-larry


Dude. You need to watch that movie. It's like one of the best movies ever made.

Derf, of course.

Seen it, years ago, but agreed, have to watch it again.

[Brian4Liberty]

Bullying on the school bus has always existed, probably always will. It's not all of a sudden happening or expanding like the hand wringers are claiming.

The really funny part of the story is that they had two adult "guardians" on the bus, and they didn't speak English! So much for monitoring verbal abuse. :rolleyes:

[Vessol]

I'm not trying to justify the actions of the kids. But I was bullied somewhat when I was younger. While it pissed me off and depressed me at the time, it really has had no effect at all on me in the long run.

[Southron]

I'm not trying to justify the actions of the kids. But I was bullied somewhat when I was younger. While it pissed me off and depressed me at the time, it really has had no effect at all on me in the long run.

Not exactly conducive to a learning environment is it?

I witnessed a girl rip an earring out of the top part of the ear of another girl on a school bus.

[Vessol]

Not exactly conducive to a learning environment is it?

I witnessed a girl rip an earring out of the top part of the ear of another girl on a school bus.

No it isn't, but I'm not really keen on giving the government power to turn schools into PC day cares. This really wouldn't be a problem if we didn't have public schools. In a private school, the school would have to deal with the issue or risk losing a customer.

[dannno]

I'm not trying to justify the actions of the kids. But I was bullied somewhat when I was younger. While it pissed me off and depressed me at the time, it really has had no effect at all on me in the long run.

Sounds like they were taking it a bit too far with this handicapped girl, tho..

[Anti Federalist]

No it isn't, but I'm not really keen on giving the government power to turn schools into PC day cares. This really wouldn't be a problem if we didn't have public schools. In a private school, the school would have to deal with the issue or risk losing a customer.

That ^^^

Even better, homeschooling FTW.

[Anti Federalist]

Another Theory of Bullying

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/66133.html

Posted by Charles Featherstone on September 22, 2010 01:33 PM

I’d like to add few cents to the discussion on bullying. It struck me — as someone who was pretty thoroughly bullied in a state elementary school in Southern California from 4th through 6th grade — that bullying is not only tolerated, but encouraged by teachers, as a way of (1) maintaining “order” and (2) providing a very cheap way of rewarding those who are favored by the hierarchy.

By order, I mean enforcement of conformity and the stifling of any sort of dissent or real difference (as opposed to the alleged difference of the multi-culturalists). It is a very cheap way of ensuring that the norms of the community are enforced upon those who actually differ or may be most likely to differ. It has been my experience that a great many people simply cannot abide that some people choose to live differently, or like different things, and that makes them easy targets, especially in communities where shared social norms are very, very important, in which it is believed that people should not be allowed to make choices too far outside what is expected or demanded of them. This is why I love big cities, as opposed to suburbs or small towns. In cities, I can live the way I want without fear that someone is going to try and make it an issue. Knowing your neighbors is pointless if you have to live in fear of them.

And there is the matter of rewards. The world is full of sadists, people who enjoy brutalizing and humiliating other people, especially the weak, so it is better to make sure they are on the right side of the hierarchy (you know, giving them badges and guns when they are old enough) and serving its interests. Allowing or encouraging kids to bully other kids rewards them with power — a cheap reward, really, but one valued by the kids who bully. It means, for the most part, they aren’t going focus their sadism up toward the hierarchy, but down, toward approved victims of state power.

While suing is a nice idea, and a cute one, I don’t buy it. It won’t make kids stop, or their parents care, and it will not really change authority structures. The only way things stopped for me was working up the courage to fight back, which I started doing in 7th grade. It was hard, because I was never allowed to fight back, either by my parents or by teachers (and certainly not encouraged), and since no one acted to stop anything, I was effectively disarmed. And I paid a price for fighting, one that makes me angry to this day. It was worth it, though.

[fisharmor]

I'm not trying to justify the actions of the kids. But I was bullied somewhat when I was younger. While it pissed me off and depressed me at the time, it really has had no effect at all on me in the long run.

I'd bet the rent money that it did.

[MelissaWV]

I'd bet the rent money that it did.

I'm going to have to agree. For instance, he brought it up just now :p I'm sure there were any number of things that had no impact whatsoever on me that happened 20+ years ago. I just can't recall what they were.

[pcosmar]

I'm not trying to justify the actions of the kids. But I was bullied somewhat when I was younger. While it pissed me off and depressed me at the time, it really has had no effect at all on me in the long run.

It bothered me, I eventually learned to fight back.
I still hate violence, but have been told by those that found out that I hit HARD.

It is the only cure I have found for bullies.

[MelissaWV]

How how much a twisted little punk do you have to be to make fun of someone handicapped like that.

That this was even allowed to go on is shocking, of course the dad couldn't stand sending his defenseless daughter off to spend time with a pack of wolves each day.

The idea that you should care about those less fortunate than you (in whatever way that happens to be) is not instilled in a lot of kids. Even when it is, it can make that other child a target of bullying, too, so they just keep quiet or go with the flow and contribute to the bullying. You can see the same behavior in adults.

My parents, or a family friend (depending on how far back we are talking), would drive me to school. There weren't buses that served my area for most of them. Being different was discouraged, but it wasn't the end of the world. Ultimately the bullying complaints go back to the parents yelling at the schools to do something about it.

If this guy thinks he was going to make things way safer for his daughter by yelling at and threatening the boys on the bus, he is sadly mistaken. Now they have more fodder with which to make fun of her, and they have the protection of the school who will rally to their defense and say "how dare you! They're only children!" :rolleyes: It's sad, but in this case since she can't fight back, you as a parent need to remove her from that situation. Homeschooling sounds like a great idea, or talking to "special" schools in the area who might sympathize with the case and offer scholarships, or even just a regular private school that might be interested (religious schools in particular). Or, hell, drive the girl to school.

As for Vessol, I go back to your comment about it not having an impact on you. Even if we take that to be true, you were not (to my knowledge anyhow?) handicapped like this little girl is. Her processing of what's happening to her, and her capacity to fight back, are probably compromised, which is why I suggested what I did. Otherwise, I'd suggest the kid learn some survival skills and focus on what is really actionable, if it comes to that, further on down the line.

[Sola_Fide]

The punks deserved it.

[phill4paul]

Just wanted to add a good story here.

There was a kid in my high school that was picked on by the jocks. Every day the kid went through a hell because as he passed the jocks in the hall they would punch him in the bicep.
One day I guess the kid just got tired of it.
He took some thumbtacks and pressed them through some duct tape and wrapped his upper arm in them. Then he covered the "porcupine" with his shirt.
The first jock that laid into him that day got a real surprise. From what I heard his knuckles actually stuck to the kids arm. Lucky for the kid, as I'm sure he'd have received a major ass beating, a teacher was right around the corner and heard the "WTF!" from the jock.
Both went to the principals office. Jock was suspended and kid skated. Kid skated even beyond the authorities as the jocks gave him some kind of recognition and left him alone after and forever razzed the perpetrator.
I thought it was pretty clever. Brilliant even. The kid wasn't culpable. If the jock hadn't initiated violence then nothing would have happened.
Today the kid would probably be questioned for having a harmful devise or something like that. Much the shame.
Hope it kinda applies and you liked the story.

[Brian4Liberty]

It bothered me, I eventually learned to fight back.
I still hate violence, but have been told by those that found out that I hit HARD.

It is the only cure I have found for bullies.

Yeah, that's the best way. In the middle of class is the best time. It sets an example. :D

They used to bully "Francis", until he stepped up. A case could be made that he went too far though:

YouTube - Stripes - Don't Call Me Francis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrllCZw8jiM)

(So many good uses for that clip) ;)

[nate895]

These kids who are insulting the girl with cerebral palsy need to be shown the cat-o'-nine-tails. Just shown the first time. Second time, they can see what it feels like to be in the Royal Navy.

[Rael]

that would have been rad if he pulled out a crowbar at the end and started yelling "this is what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass!!" and then continued to run outside and start smashing all of the bus windows.... "do you see what happens? *slam* do you see what happens?! *slam* *slam* do you see what happens when you fuck.... A stranger.... In the ass!?! This is what happens!!! *slam* *slam*"


lmao

[Rael]

Just wanted to add a good story here.

There was a kid in my high school that was picked on by the jocks. Every day the kid went through a hell because as he passed the jocks in the hall they would punch him in the bicep.
One day I guess the kid just got tired of it.
He took some thumbtacks and pressed them through some duct tape and wrapped his upper arm in them. Then he covered the "porcupine" with his shirt.
The first jock that laid into him that day got a real surprise. From what I heard his knuckles actually stuck to the kids arm. Lucky for the kid, as I'm sure he'd have received a major ass beating, a teacher was right around the corner and heard the "WTF!" from the jock.
Both went to the principals office. Jock was suspended and kid skated. Kid skated even beyond the authorities as the jocks gave him some kind of recognition and left him alone after and forever razzed the perpetrator.
I thought it was pretty clever. Brilliant even. The kid wasn't culpable. If the jock hadn't initiated violence then nothing would have happened.
Today the kid would probably be questioned for having a harmful devise or something like that. Much the shame.
Hope it kinda applies and you liked the story.

Thats a great story.

If it had happened today, the police would have been called and the boy with the thumbtacks would have been tasered and arrested. Then the bully's parents would file a lawsuit against the school and the boy.

[phill4paul]

Yeah, that's the best way. In the middle of class is the best time. It sets an example. :D

They used to bully "Francis", until he stepped up. A case could be made that he went too far though:

YouTube - Stripes - Don't Call Me Francis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrllCZw8jiM)

(So many good uses for that clip) ;)

Lol. I use this one quite a bit. Most don't get it.

YouTube - Lighten Up Francis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k&NR=1)

[Romulus]

It breaks my heart to hear about that girl... anyone with a shred of dignity would do what that father did. I'm glad to hear that parents still care these days. Any sign of it, and the establishment turns on you.

The one case where I condone violence is in defense of a bully. Its the only thing that teaches them a lesson.

[phill4paul]

Thats a great story.

If it had happened today, the police would have been called and the boy with the thumbtacks would have been tasered and arrested. Then the bully's parents would file a lawsuit against the school and the boy.

Sad but I think true. He probably would have had to have mental examinations also.:(

[Pericles]

Please homeschool! It's for the children.

The souls you save by doing so will be those of your children.