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amy31416
09-21-2010, 10:06 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/21/this-buds-not-for-you-bee_n_732901.html


The California Beer & Beverage Distributors is spending money in the state to oppose a marijuana legalization proposition on the ballot in November, according to records filed with the California Secretary of State. The beer sellers are the first competitors of marijuana to officially enter the debate; backers of the initiative are closely watching liquor and wine dealers and the pharmaceutical industry to see if they enter the debate in the remaining weeks.

The opposition to pot among beer makers, however, is not unanimous among the CBBD's membership. Sierra Nevada and Stone Brewing Co., microbrews that began in California but have become popular national brands, both lashed out at the CBBD after news of the distributor's donation was reported on Celebstoner.com, a popular website focusing on marijuana-related news, and Alternet.com.

"Stone is not a part of this campaign in any way. This issue has caught us off guard," said a statement from the San Diego-based microbrewery, calling itself "merely a non-voting Allied Member of the CA Beer & Beverage Distributors (CBBD).As such, Stone Brewing does not/cannot participate in the political action decisions of the CBBD."

A statement from Sierra Nevada said that the company has "requested the CBBD to remove our name from their list of members, and also to disassociate the brewery from this and any future political actions."

The last thing a California microbrew needs is to be associated with the effort against legalizing marijuana. "We regret any implied association with this action by the CBBD, and maintain our independence and neutrality regarding matters of politics," the Sierra statement said. "The CBBD does not represent Sierra Nevada's political interests in any way, and does not represent the brewery's stance on the issue."

The CBBD did not return calls for comment; it donated $10,000 to Public Safety First, a committee organized to oppose the proposition, on Sept. 7, 2010, though the contribution was only recently made public. The alcohol industry has long seen illicit drugs as a threat to sales, as consumers may substitute pot for booze. A night spent on the couch smoking marijuana and watching television is a night not spent at the bar.

Public Safety First is largely funded by a different industry whose interests are threatened by the legalization of marijuana: law enforcement. Police forces are entitled to keep property seized as part of drug raids and the revenue stream that comes from waging the drug war has become a significant source of support for local law enforcement. Federal and state funding of the drug war is also a significant supplement to local forces' budgets.
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The California Narcotics Officers' Association has donated $20,500; the California Police Chiefs Association has contributed $30,000. The Placer County Deputy Sheriff's Association, the California Peace Officers Association, the California District Attorney Association and the Peace Officers Association of Los Angeles County have all contributed, as well. Los Angeles Sheriff Lee Baca has been an outspoken opponent. Earlier this months, current and former heads of the Drug Enforcement Administration held a press conference in Washington to oppose the proposition and urge the White House to sue to stop it if it passes.

The pro-legalization forces, however, have caught at least one break: The prison guards are staying neutral. One of the most potent political forces in California is the California Correctional Peace Officers Association. The prison guards spent more than a million dollars in 2008 to defeat a proposition that would have sent some nonviolent drug offenders into treatment rather than to prison -- a law that would have cut down on overcrowding and overtime.

So far, the prison guards' bosses have gotten involved -- the California Correctional Supervisors Organization has given $7,500 -- but the guards themselves are on the sidelines.

Advocates for Proposition 19, meanwhile, are running the campaign on a shoestring budget. Wealthy individuals who generally bankroll the legalization movement such as Peter Lewis, the head of Progressive auto insurance, are sitting out.

Organized labor, however, is stepping into the breach. The Service Employees International Union, a major presence in California, has endorsed the proposition. The Teamsters in September made its first successful foray into organizing pot growers. The United Food and Commercial Workers is backing the initiative and organizing cannabis club employees in the Bay Area. The teachers union, citing the revenue that could be raised for the state, is also backing the initiative.

On Saturday, Roger Salazar, a spokesman for Public Safety First, was confronted on CNN over his group's alliance with the beer distributors. He blamed it on the forklift operators. "Let's keep in mind the beer and beverage distributors are the folks who deliver beer and beverage products. The truck driver, the forklift drivers, you know, the warehouse workers. You know, these are folks who have traffic safety and employee safety issues, first and foremost," Salazar said, though the beer distributors are the only distributor of any product to oppose the proposition.

Mason Tvert, head of the organization SAFER, which makes the case that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol, told Salazar that driving or operating a fork lift while high would still be illegal if the proposition becomes law -- just as alcohol is legal but it's against the law to drive while drunk.

"With all due respect to this gentleman, he is a political consultant being paid by the booze industry to protect their turf," said Tvert. "We also need to consider the fact that this gentleman mentions all the jobs that are created by the alcohol industry. These are all jobs that can be created by the marijuana industry as well. And at the same time, we're giving Californians the ability to use a substance like marijuana that doesn't contribute to domestic violence and sexual assault and overdose... and all the other problems that alcohol contributes to."

If you're into this sort of thing, it's a perfect opportunity to support brands like Sierra Nevada and boycott the other brands who are supporting the initiative to keep pot illegal: http://www.cbbd.com/assoc_members.html

Let Sierra Nevada know why you're a new customer: http://www.sierranevada.com//FeedbackForm.asp

For clarification:

Sierra Nevada and Stone Brewery are the good guys, buy their stuff:

http://www.sierranevada.com/beers/images/harvest2008_bottle.jpg
http://thefullpint.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/stone-aba.jpg




These are the bad guys (unless they come out against this measure in the future):

BREWER/IMPORTER ASSOCIATE MEMBERS

Anheuser-Busch InBev
Black Eagle Imports
Boston Beer Co.
Crown Imports, LLC
Diageo-Guinness USA
Full Sail Brewing Co.
G.K. Skaggs, Inc.
Heineken USA, Inc.
Hudepohl-Schoenling Brewing Co
Moosehead USA
New Belgium Brewing Co.
Pabst Brewing Co.
Phusion Products LLC
Trident Products and Distribution Inc./Liquid Nitro

Dreamofunity
09-21-2010, 10:32 AM
I'm glad Sierra Nevada and Stone came out against it.

There are some good craft beers the come from Cali.

sevin
09-21-2010, 12:35 PM
Sickening. They want to keep a natural growing plant that has never killed anyone illegal while they push a substance that kills hundreds of thousands a year.

lester1/2jr
09-21-2010, 12:40 PM
ugh

Southron
09-21-2010, 01:00 PM
They want a monopoly on vice, much like the big casinos fight the openings of other casinos.

bwlibertyman
09-21-2010, 01:04 PM
Sierra Nevada does make some good beers but that doesn't make it right for them to try and stop pot legalization. Let these products compete. Don't use your lobby to prevent competition.

Minuteman2012
09-21-2010, 01:06 PM
I don't drink much beer anyways, if I have alcohol, which is only once or twice a week, I prefer Tequila.

dannno
09-21-2010, 01:06 PM
Sierra Nevada does make some good beers but that doesn't make it right for them to try and stop pot legalization. Let these products compete. Don't use your lobby to prevent competition.

Nononono... They are the GOOD guys... Sierra Nevada doesn't want to be associated with the organization that is coming out against it, neither does Stone Brewery.

Minuteman2012
09-21-2010, 01:07 PM
Sierra Nevada does make some good beers but that doesn't make it right for them to try and stop pot legalization. Let these products compete. Don't use your lobby to prevent competition.

Sierra Nevada isn't trying to stop pot legalization, they are one of the companies that don't endorse the action by the CA Beer and Beverage Distributors.

squarepusher
09-21-2010, 01:12 PM
Prop 19 is not legalization, its thinly viewed prohibition, or allowing the government decide what is legal and not and collect money.

dannno
09-21-2010, 01:18 PM
Prop 19 is not legalization, its thinly viewed prohibition, or allowing the government decide what is legal and not and collect money.

Well there is the question about medicinal patient rights, and that is still up for debate, but without considering that it is still much better than what we have now.

There is obviously still going to be a black market.

But really the important thing that you have to consider is that the legislation is a weather bell. If it doesn't pass, then everybody will think that people don't want it legal. If all the people who want it legal vote against it, then it will be spun that people think it is dangerous and don't want it legal. I'd rather have the regulation and a black market than prohibition and a black market.

lester1/2jr
09-21-2010, 01:22 PM
big pharma will anti up if it gets past this obstacle with ALOT more $$

squarepusher
09-21-2010, 01:23 PM
Well there is the question about medicinal patient rights, and that is still up for debate, but without considering that it is still much better than what we have now.

There is obviously still going to be a black market.

But really the important thing that you have to consider is that the legislation is a weather bell. If it doesn't pass, then everybody will think that people don't want it legal. If all the people who want it legal vote against it, then it will be spun that people think it is dangerous and don't want it legal. I'd rather have the regulation and a black market than prohibition and a black market.

well, im not sure that logic is sound, because by the same token, everyone may just think that people don't want a BS money making bill, and want a real proposition instead. Want real legalization (such as releasing prisoners).

Although, even though the bill is fairly contrary, it is being sold as "pot legalization," so I believe that possibly even if it passes it may have some ripple effects around the world ...

however also keep in mind, many of the people who wrote and helped fight for prop 215 back in 1996, have currently come out against this prop 19, as well as Jack Herer who recently passed earlier away this year.

Brian4Liberty
09-21-2010, 01:53 PM
Sierra Nevada, more than Pale Ale...

http://www.treehugger.com/sierra-nevada-brewery-beers.jpg

http://yalesustainablefoodproject.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/harvest2008_bottle1.jpg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcScqmPOZKxF7atF64cBftHzvGjgMgRdZ PlljHBThOJDtrwJOLs&t=1&usg=__kX532aM7qMix6ZmDCus9IXfmEOI=

http://www.simplybeer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/img_7285-225x300.jpg

bunklocoempire
09-21-2010, 02:12 PM
Sierra Nevada, more than Pale Ale...


I see they have a stout as well. I haven't seen it locally -will look harder.

I do like a stout.:)


“Sierra Nevada Stout is admirable from nose to finish, with notes of malty sweetness to the palate but plenty of bitterness available to set up a stimulating counterpoint.”

– Christopher Finch, A Connoisseur’s Guide
to the World’s Best Beer


LOL! The same way I'd describe RPFs. :D


Bunkloco

jkr
09-21-2010, 04:00 PM
A$$holes!

they been doing it for 7 decades...bAbaLoN iree!

FUCK your BEER!

i hope you punks rot in a cell for a while until you renonce your hypocracy...

Dreamofunity
09-21-2010, 04:03 PM
I've had Sierra Nevada's pale ale, IPA (Torpedo) and porter. All are pretty good quality, especially for a beer that can be found at most gas stations.

I would say overall Stone has some better products and variety, but harder to come by until you find the right liquor store.

It's kind of upsetting to see Sam Adams (Boston Brewing Co. ) on the list. They're another one of decent quality that can be found at most gas stations.

Brian4Liberty
09-28-2010, 01:59 PM
The idiots at Fox News just did a story on the "big battle" between beer and marijuana, and they kept showing Sierra Nevada beer! With no mention that Sierra Nevada supports the Proposition and has protested this "battle". Idiots.

Brian4Liberty
09-28-2010, 02:00 PM
I see they have a stout as well. I haven't seen it locally -will look harder.

I do like a stout.:)

Bunkloco

It's an American-style Stout, i.e. it's not Guiness at all, but it may be a little heavier.

bunklocoempire
09-28-2010, 02:48 PM
The idiots at Fox News just did a story on the "big battle" between beer and marijuana, and they kept showing Sierra Nevada beer! With no mention that Sierra Nevada supports the Proposition and has protested this "battle". Idiots.

I caught that also.

They also showed a miller lite truck during the story.

Interesting. I wonder who made the call on which stock footage to run.


Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty It's an American-style Stout, i.e. it's not Guiness at all, but it may be a little heavier.
Today 09:59 AM


Thanks for the info, never met a stout I didn't like.:)

Bunkloco

Humanae Libertas
09-28-2010, 03:00 PM
Good thing I don't drink alcohol.

Matt Collins
09-28-2010, 05:55 PM
YouTube - Beer Industry Against Marijuana Legalization (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YprOTH07Cc&feature=player_embedded)

james1906
09-28-2010, 06:02 PM
Have any of the other distribution members spoken out? I have trouble believing New Belgium would oppose the measure.