Nov 5 2010 is Ron Paul 2012 Sign Waving Day

[Spider-Man]

Sign Waving Across The USA For RON PAUL On Nov. 5th!!! (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=103347796396805)

"It's time to get out there and crank up the R3VOLUTION, my friends.

Dust off your signs and find an overpass because it's GAME ON!

Sign Wave For Ron Paul: November 5th, 2010

Organize An Event For Your Area."

[Elwar]

Collecting polling data on that day would be handy. This is the last time before the primaries that we'll have voters all in one place.

Edit: Nevermind, thought it was November 2...great idea! Nov. 5 is perfect..

[newyearsrevolution08]

Who's putting this on, has it gone out to all the mailing lists?

[Bruehound]

Bump

It's go time !

[Matt Collins]

Sign waving doesn't win elections.

Doing all the training in the CFL pages, learning your precinct, and calling around to see what issues matter most to your neighbors is a much more effective use of your time.

[JeremyDahl]

i agree, polling should be taken...


who can write some really good polling script?

[Spider-Man]

Sign waving doesn't win elections.

Doing all the training in the CFL pages, learning your precinct, and calling around to see what issues matter most to your neighbors is a much more effective use of your time.

Whatever gets our guys on the streets and motivated, and gets Ron Paul's name out there, I would describe as an effective use of my time. It may not be effective enough to justify your participation, but the fact is conventional campaigning does not appeal to everyone. For others, the fun stuff like sign waving is a gateway to more sophisticated forms of promotion.

If it weren't for signs and sign waving, I'm willing to bet about half of us wouldn't even be here. Sign waving goes along with any political campaign. Holding a sign up is the most basic and visceral way to express your support or opposition to something in a public way, short of shouting it. And if you're telling me right now there's not going to be any signage or sign waving in 2012, I'm likely to just sit the whole god damn thing out.

Dissuade graffiti-style campaigning, and you're going to go a long way toward dissuading the more youthful voters from even bothering with your dull vision of what the Ron Paul campaign should be. Just my two cents.

Let's get to work, people.

[nayjevin]

A nov 5th signwave event is a great idea. It's a shot heard round the world show of strength. Most effective at about once a year. I think a nov 5th nationwide signwave is perfect.

[brandon]

Unfortunately this time around I am no longer a college student and have a full time job, making Friday afternoons a bad time for me to sign wave.

[JeremyDahl]

Sign Waiving is a waste of time...

easily ignored and in the end unproductive


that's for kids the day of or before the election

[Matt Collins]

Whatever gets our guys on the streets and motivated, and gets Ron Paul's name out there, I would describe as an effective use of my time. It may not be effective enough to justify your participation, but the fact is conventional campaigning does not appeal to everyone. For others, the fun stuff like sign waving is a gateway to more sophisticated forms of promotion.

If it weren't for signs and sign waving, I'm willing to bet about half of us wouldn't even be here. Sign waving goes along with any political campaign. Holding a sign up is the most basic and visceral way to express your support or opposition to something in a public way, short of shouting it. And if you're telling me right now there's not going to be any signage or sign waving in 2012, I'm likely to just sit the whole god damn thing out.So you would rather feel good than win? :confused: :rolleyes:


Dissuade graffiti-style campaigning, and you're going to go a long way toward dissuading the more youthful voters from even bothering with your dull vision of what the Ron Paul campaign should be. Just my two cents.
Really?

Campaigning for Rand disproves that point. I was in KY and I saw a ton of youth there.

[Elwar]

I guarantee that the 1000s of people who would get out and wave signs on Nov. 5 would otherwise be either sitting at home or at work and not phone polling for Ron Paul.

This at least creates a way to motivate and coordinate people. Which would then lead to phone polling and canvassing.

[Maximus]

It can't hurt. I'm in.

[JeremyDahl]

concerted efforts early on should be fundraising.

the early work is forming the networks, planning, data mining, developing campaign strategy and focus.

[Elwar]

concerted efforts early on should be fundraising.

the early work is forming the networks, planning, data mining, developing campaign strategy and focus.

Fundraising is of no use until Ron Paul announces.

Sign waving on Nov. 5 lets people know early on that Ron Paul will be in the game...

[Matt Collins]

Sign waving on Nov. 5 lets people know early on that Ron Paul will be in the game...It lets who know? :confused:

How many people driving by are actually voters who are likely to vote for Ron? :confused:

[JeremyDahl]

Fundraising is of no use until Ron Paul announces.

Sign waving on Nov. 5 lets people know early on that Ron Paul will be in the game...



Who does that say it to? Who will be listening?

For ourselves?

Better to organize and build, then run full from the start... like you said until he announces.

Rally the leaders before the troops and don't walk into a war blind

[Spider-Man]

Who honestly gives a fuck what Matt Collins says, anyway? This whole forum is just a way for him to get himself off. Fuck Matt Collins. I'ma go wave my signs while you're sitting here jerking yourself off. Go ahead and ban my shit while you're at it, mods. I don't have time for this.

[McBell]

If I can't dance, I don't want your r3volution.

[JeremyDahl]

You posted this on a forum, as such it is susceptible to comments from its community.

There is no need for disrespect. We value your opinion.

[Deborah K]

I'd much rather have a sit-in at every politician's office - in every district - in every state - across the nation.

[Matt Collins]

Who honestly gives a fuck what Matt Collins says, anyway? This whole forum is just a way for him to get himself off. Fuck Matt Collins. I'ma go wave my signs while you're sitting here jerking yourself off. Go ahead and ban my shit while you're at it, mods. I don't have time for this.

Your maturity and intellect is showing through :rolleyes:

[isrow]

This is a show of force. This needs to be done and everyone that wants RP to be in the White House (everyone reading this forum) should participate. This will be three days after Nov. 2nd and people will be paying attention to politics. Also on this day expect some major announcements from the youth wing of the liberty movement.

[UtahApocalypse]

My sign will say:


Run
Ron
Run

and be more a message to HIM rather then a statement to the passers by. If 1 million+ people haver this message nationwide it will show him that we are still here, and this time are ready to go all the way for him.

[Maximus]

I'm not saying that this is the key to winning the election. It can only help though. Maybe get people back in from the 2008 campaign, help build up excitement, get people networking together again.

If people have fun at a sign wave they will be more likely to knock and doors and make phone calls later on.

This is a great way to do that, don't piss on the parade.

Like I said before, how could this hurt the movement?

[Matt Collins]

I'm not saying that this is the key to winning the election. It can only help though. Maybe get people back in from the 2008 campaign, help build up excitement, get people networking together again.

If people have fun at a sign wave they will be more likely to knock and doors and make phone calls later on.

This is a great way to do that, don't piss on the parade.

Like I said before, how could this hurt the movement?

How about we start 2012 doing things the right way? :cool:

[Romulus]

I support this idea.. I think its a positive action and a great show of force during a time when people are aware and in tune with politics.

[pacelli]

As mentioned by a former member of Ron Paul's 2008 campaign staff, sign waves are largely a waste of time. Canvassing is much more important and effective.

[JeremyDahl]

As mentioned by a former member of Ron Paul's 2008 campaign staff, sign waves are largely a waste of time. Canvassing is much more important and effective.

This has been my campaign managing experience as well...

You don't see this action in other winning campaigns.

[Maximus]

I don't see why you can't go to the sign waves and say "hey we are going to be canvassing this neighborhood next Saturday, you want to join us?" get info etc.

Be smart, let's get people involved and then we can point them into more effective campaigning.

Let's make the best of all the opportunities we have

People sign waving > people watching tv at home

[JeremyDahl]

@ Maximus... it's more effective to target your efforts and do the same thing over the phone ;)

If you don't have a good enough network... that should be number one

[Jeremy Tyler]

I'm here and kentucky and canvassing and a hard-working candidate who goes all over the state speaking is winning this election. At the same time, one mass day of sign waving to show enthusiasm won't hurt, after that he can start canvassing. But this will get some energy going and thats a good thing.

[S.Shorland]

As long as his campaign is run on a proper,professional footing this time I don't care who wants to wave signs too. The technically savvy 'youth' side of things should be thinking of how to programme utilities that will make contact with eachother and campaigning and fundraising easier and more fun. Ron Paul 'flash mobs' or 'Flash Fundraisers'.One of these dating type things that you can download but instead sends texts to another RP supporter in the area to share emails and basic information rather than men/women for dating.I hope someone has approached Donna D'Errico for help in persuading any musicians she knows to provide free or subsidised performances for Ron at events.Hiring projectors and projecting RPs image onto landmarks and prestigious locations/buildings.'Gunny's' idea of using Frederick Douglas' rigorous Constitutional adherence and advocacy to bring those AAs who have been brainwashed into supporting Socialism by the public school system back into the understanding of Freedom. There are probably hundreds of ways that an enthusiastic person,small or large group can have fun and campaign at the same time.

There needs to be a 'techs forum' where ordinary people can ask if such and such a thing is possible and to make suggestions.

However,I should think that it's about winning more than fun.Have fun after you are sick of phone banking and door to door canvassing.Work a lot and then play when you've earned it.

[JoshLowry]

Who honestly gives a fuck what Matt Collins says, anyway? This whole forum is just a way for him to get himself off. Fuck Matt Collins. I'ma go wave my signs while you're sitting here jerking yourself off. Go ahead and ban my shit while you're at it, mods. I don't have time for this.

You're a volunteer. I'm not going to tell you how to participate on your own time.

Try to stay away from the insults please. <3

[libertybrewcity]

Count me in. If you are against sign waving you can join anyways, create a group, and get them to go canvassing instead. Just people the Facebook title says SIGN WAVING doesn't mean you can only wave a sign. I am definitely printing up literature. I GOT ME A JOB LAST WEEK!!! CHHEEEEEEE

[Elwar]

Nov. 6, canvassing day?

I think doing fun things is the best way to organize. Whereas someone might wait around until Ron Paul announces and maybe donate and send some e-mails otherwise. If they see something fun that they'd like to get involved in, they'll seek out a local group or organize their own. Then, when they see others participating in canvassing or phone calls they'll be more willing to jump on the band wagon and get involved even more.

[Rocco]

Though I can understand the logic behind Collins argument, I don't see anything else scheduled for november 5th and, as others have pointed out, this is better then sitting at home with my dick in my hand on RPF all day, so i'm in!

[Romulus]

^ lol!

[MRoCkEd]

Signwaving won't get us votes, but it could be a display to Ron Paul that he has the support out there, and should run.

[newyearsrevolution08]

wave signs if you want
don't if you don't want to

pretty simple

[AZ Libertarian]

If sign-waving is a waste of time WHY ARE THERE POLITICAL SIGNS ON EVERY CORNER IN AMERICA DURING ELECTION SEASON!?!

You dumbfuck control freaks wasting your time trying to tell other's what doesn't work and that they shouldn't do something to participate and let their OWN mind be heard are every bit as bad as the control freaks in power.

UNCONTROLLED GROUND-UP ACTIVISM is what got the Ron Paul R3VOLUTION as far as it is today, and changing horses in the first third of crossing the stream is a recipe for DISASTER!

Fear not Spiderman, the Phoenix R3VOLUTION is right there with you! WE WILL LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE ARE STILL HERE THE SAME WAY WE LET THEM KNOW WE WERE HERE TO BEGIN WITH, and ANYONE who gets in our way or tries to stop us will be steamrolled over flat by the stampede of people who KNOW WHO RON PAUL IS FROM THE LAST TIME WE BLITZED THEM!

Sincerely Signed,

Ed Vallejo, Organizer
The FIRST Ron Paul for President MeetUp Group ON THE PLANET!
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/7/
Current Membership: 573
MeetUps held so far: 771

http://photos3.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/d/0/f/4/highres_16793492.jpeg

[Matt Collins]

If sign-waving is a waste of time WHY ARE THERE POLITICAL SIGNS ON EVERY CORNER IN AMERICA DURING ELECTION SEASON!?!Sign waving does not equal sign placement. Placing signs simply requires dropping them off, not standing there for hours wasting time when people could be doing other more important more effective things.




You dumbfuck control freaks wasting your time trying to tell other's what doesn't work and that they shouldn't do something to participate and let their OWN mind be heard are every bit as bad as the control freaks in power. Your intellectual capacity is starting to show through.

Have you won any elections since RP '08? I've won two of them using solid methods.

If you want to win, you have to use proven ways to make that happen.


UNCONTROLLED GROUND-UP ACTIVISM is what got the Ron Paul R3VOLUTION as far as it is today, How did that work out for us in the polls?


Fear not Spiderman, the Phoenix R3VOLUTION is right there with you! WE WILL LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE ARE STILL HERE THE SAME WAY WE LET THEM KNOW WE WERE HERE TO BEGIN WITH, and ANYONE who gets in our way or tries to stop us will be steamrolled over flat by the stampede of people who KNOW WHO RON PAUL IS FROM THE LAST TIME WE BLITZED THEM!

Sincerely Signed,

Ed Vallejo, Organizer
The FIRST Ron Paul for President MeetUp Group ON THE PLANET!
[/URL][URL]http://ronpaul.meetup.com/7/ (http://ronpaul.meetup.com/7/)
Current Membership: 573
MeetUps held so far: 771

Seriously, how old are you? :confused: :rolleyes:

[JoshLowry]

If sign-waving is a waste of time WHY ARE THERE POLITICAL SIGNS ON EVERY CORNER IN AMERICA DURING ELECTION SEASON!?!

You dumbfuck control freaks wasting your time trying to tell other's what doesn't work and that they shouldn't do something to participate and let their OWN mind be heard are every bit as bad as the control freaks in power.

UNCONTROLLED GROUND-UP ACTIVISM is what got the Ron Paul R3VOLUTION as far as it is today, and changing horses in the first third of crossing the stream is a recipe for DISASTER!

Fear not Spiderman, the Phoenix R3VOLUTION is right there with you! WE WILL LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE ARE STILL HERE THE SAME WAY WE LET THEM KNOW WE WERE HERE TO BEGIN WITH, and ANYONE who gets in our way or tries to stop us will be steamrolled over flat by the stampede of people who KNOW WHO RON PAUL IS FROM THE LAST TIME WE BLITZED THEM!

Sincerely Signed,

Ed Vallejo, Organizer
The FIRST Ron Paul for President MeetUp Group ON THE PLANET!
[/URL][URL]http://ronpaul.meetup.com/7/ (http://ronpaul.meetup.com/7/)
Current Membership: 573
MeetUps held so far: 771

http://photos3.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/d/0/f/4/highres_16793492.jpeg


Ed, you are a superstar when it comes to activism.

Don't let a small minority of our forum enrage you. The grassroots activists here have worked on nothing but uncontrolled ground-up activism.

Also, please try and stay away from insults. Threads make a turn for the worse when insults are thrown around.

[JoshLowry]

Sign waving does not equal sign placement. Placing signs simply requires dropping them off, not standing there for hours wasting time when people could be doing other more important more effective things.



Your intellectual capacity is starting to show through.

Have you won any elections since RP '08? I've won two of them using solid methods.

If you want to win, you have to use proven ways to make that happen.

How did that work out for us in the polls?

Seriously, how old are you? :confused: :rolleyes:

Matt, you're close to catching a ban.

I understand that sign-waving may not be the most efficient activism, but it's fun, it brings activists together, and it does work. Remember you are talking to volunteers.

[Romulus]

Signwaving won't get us votes, but it could be a display to Ron Paul that he has the support out there, and should run.

That's what I thought too. Wave signs today, canvass the next day. Both positives.

[JeremyDahl]

If anyone would like me to pm them the personal contact info for national level political consultants, or public relations specialists... i can




Also, if you would like to talk to the leaders of the Ron Paul movement in THE ONLY COUNTY HE WON IN THE UNITED STATES, contact me...



Sign waving is not completely useless... but not for what we are talking about...

you better start looking at real precedented success, not your personal successes...


In fact, sign wave... spend your time and talent doing that... let's compare results.
It can't hurt to get more experience...

[mczerone]

Why, if you're doing this on a weekday, in the first week of November, are you not planning for Election Day? If you want to influence likely voters, there is no better time and place than when and where they go to vote! Have signs, take coolers, play reasonably chosen music at a reasonable volume - have a great time, but have literature to hand out, and maybe even some sort of food handout to engage people.

Then get people to canvass that weekend, and the weekend after.

[Tinnuhana]

Haven't seen this mentioned: a lot of the people who supported Ron Paul in the last election didn't have internet access. The visibility of signs and even a sign wave caught on media will give them the heads-up. There should be some way of organizing to get print materials to these supporters.
Also, the person running the RP Meet-up here on Okinawa PCSed before the primaries. I'm not sure what to do to re-activate the Meet-up. Can it be done? How much does it cost? I heard $75 but that was then.

[spcmckay]

Bellingham Tea Party Constitution Day 2010

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h192/theropingeffect/Ron%20Paul%20Campaign/RonPaul001.jpg

[Elwar]

From what I can tell, this sign waving is already becoming successful.

People like to sign wave. People are already starting to organize for this and there is coordination going on.

We have a few months between now and Nov. 5. As local groups start organizing for this, those organizations can be put to other uses.

With a list of people willing to go wave signs on Nov. 5, you can get the word out to that same list that we'll be doing exit polling on Nov. 2 and canvassing on Nov. 6.

Those that think that something else should be done should be the ones organizing for what they think should be done.

[AlphaMale2000]

Since November 5th is an important day in the R3VOLUTION, I think it would be cool if Trevor Lyman used the brand equity of his domain, www.thisnovember5th.com to assist in the sign waving effort and all future November 5th efforts. Maybe have a pledge list, location postings, user submitted sign ideas, graphics, stencil printouts, etc.

Then the site can be used again year after year in support of the liberty movement so that everyone will remember the 5th of November. It would be cool to have the tradition, but its obviously up to him as he is the owner of the domain.

And to the discussion, I agree that a spontaneous sign waving day on November 5th is more of a message for Ron than it is to the voters. We make a show of strength for him to be inspired to run. He inspired us, we should inspire him.