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RonPaulFanInGA
09-17-2010, 02:41 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/wisconsin/election_2010_wisconsin_senate

Goodbye to McCain-Feingold?

oyarde
09-17-2010, 02:43 PM
Feingold must go !!!!

specsaregood
09-17-2010, 03:02 PM
Polls like this will dry up the fundraising for Conway, quickly.

Southron
09-17-2010, 03:08 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/wisconsin/election_2010_wisconsin_senate

Goodbye to McCain-Feingold?

Possibly goodbye to Feingold but we are stuck with McCain:(

oyarde
09-17-2010, 03:10 PM
Feingold's name is all over just about every pc. of terrible legislation in recent times . The damage that could have been done to the people by this guy is staggering . Feingold is an enemy of the people .

Kludge
09-17-2010, 03:19 PM
McCain-Feingold may have been well-intentioned, but it resulted in abuse by corporations and large, aggressive political campaigns - on top of being unforgivably restrictive from a libertarian purist PoV.

Otherwise, Feingold was THE ONLY senator who voted against the PATRIOT Act. He also voted against the invasion of Iraq and was the first senator to call for a complete withdrawal.

He may be a liberal, but he's been a fairly consistent anti-war liberal. It would be a shame to lose him in the Senate, especially to a Zionist-pandering fellow who's wishy-washy on foreign policy and uses Iraq as a basis to compare Afghanistan to with regards to a "level of success."

low preference guy
09-17-2010, 03:22 PM
He may be a liberal, but he's been a fairly consistent anti-war liberal. It would be a shame to lose him in the Senate, especially to a Zionist-pandering fellow who's wishy-washy on foreign policy and uses Iraq as a basis to compare Afghanistan to with regards to a "level of success."

He voted for Universal Healthcare. That's unforgivable. Throw the bum out.

Jeremy
09-17-2010, 03:24 PM
McCain-Feingold may have been well-intentioned, but it resulted in abuse by corporations and large, aggressive political campaigns - on top of being unforgivably restrictive from a libertarian purist PoV.

Otherwise, Feingold was THE ONLY senator who voted against the PATRIOT Act. He also voted against the invasion of Iraq and was the first senator to call for a complete withdrawal.

He may be a liberal, but he's been a fairly consistent anti-war liberal. It would be a shame to lose him in the Senate, especially to a Zionist-pandering fellow who's wishy-washy on foreign policy and uses Iraq as a basis to compare Afghanistan to with regards to a "level of success."

There's no reason to sympathize for such an extreme statist. His voting record in support of some civil liberties and against economic freedom is nothing but a contradiction. He grew the power of government that proudly murdered innocent people all around the world. Good riddance.

Kludge
09-17-2010, 03:28 PM
There's no reason to sympathize for such an extreme statist. His voting record in support of some civil liberties and against economic freedom is nothing but a contradiction. He grew the power of government that proudly murdered innocent people all around the world. Good riddance.

He's hurting government, just like Obama is. This path of big government and low taxes is unsustainable, yet higher taxes will cause outrage and possible rebellion. The government is about to pass the 100% GDP/debt ratio, and it's exponentially picking up in speed with regards to deficit spending.

He is passionate and powerful in opposing murder, but hastening the collapse of the government, whether intentionally or not.

Jeremy
09-17-2010, 03:29 PM
He's hurting government, just like Obama is. This path of big government and low taxes is unsustainable, yet higher taxes will cause outrage and possible rebellion. The government is about to pass the 100% GDP/debt ratio, and it's exponentially picking up in speed with regards to deficit spending.

He is passionate and powerful in opposing murder, but hastening the collapse of the government, whether intentionally or not.

So you would support the election of Adolf Hitler for teaching us why fascist/socialist dictatorships are bad?

oyarde
09-17-2010, 03:31 PM
He voted for Universal Healthcare. That's unforgivable. Throw the bum out.

Absolutely .

oyarde
09-17-2010, 03:32 PM
There's no reason to sympathize for such an extreme statist. His voting record in support of some civil liberties and against economic freedom is nothing but a contradiction. He grew the power of government that proudly murdered innocent people all around the world. Good riddance.

Economic terrorist .

low preference guy
09-17-2010, 03:32 PM
His voting record in support of some civil liberties and against economic freedom is nothing but a contradiction

Support of civil liberties? Gutting the first amendment is consistent with supporting civil liberties?

Oh, you wrote "some". Never mind.

Kludge
09-17-2010, 03:34 PM
So you would support the election of Adolf Hitler for teaching us why fascist/socialist dictatorships are bad?

No. Adolf Hitler was a murderer, like Johnson likely will be. Feingold's just an asshole restricting liberties for those who choose to be law-abiding citizens.

Mini-Me
09-17-2010, 03:40 PM
Feingold's name is all over just about every pc. of terrible legislation in recent times .
...except for the PATRIOT Act.


The damage that could have been done to the people by this guy is staggering . Feingold is an enemy of the people .

I'm glad to see all incumbents go, especially ones who have done so much damage, but I will always respect Feingold for his vote against the PATRIOT Act. He stood against it when NO ONE else would. No matter how much other damage he's done, I just can't hate the guy, and I think there are PLENTY of other Senators who deserve the boot more than him.

Worse, Ron Johnson is a probable neocon. He supports both the PATRIOT Act and Real ID, and his issues page comes out against "artificial withdrawal timelines" for war, i.e. he probably wants to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan forever.

It's good that endangered high-profile Democrats will shift funding away from Conway, but we're not gaining anything else when the Dems are simply being endangered by neocons again.

Jeremy
09-17-2010, 03:42 PM
No. Adolf Hitler was a murderer, like Johnson likely will be. Feingold's just an asshole restricting liberties for those who choose to be law-abiding citizens.

Fiengold may have murdered less people than Hitler. That being said, I would certainly vote for Fiengold over Hitler.

low preference guy
09-17-2010, 03:42 PM
...except for the PATRIOT Act.



I'm glad to see all incumbents go, especially ones who have done so much damage, but I will always respect Feingold for his vote against the PATRIOT Act. No matter how much other damage he's done, I just can't hate the guy, and I think there are PLENTY of other Senators who deserve the boot more than him.

Worse, Ron Johnson is a probable neocon. He supports both the PATRIOT Act and Real ID, and his issues page comes out against "artificial withdrawal timelines" for war, i.e. he probably wants to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan forever.

It's good that endangered high-profile Democrats will shift funding away from Conway, but we're not gaining anything else when the Dems are simply being endangered by neocons again.

From my POV, Obamacare is worse than the Patriot Act.

nate895
09-17-2010, 03:42 PM
Support of civil liberties? Gutting the first amendment is consistent with supporting civil liberties?

Oh, you wrote "some". Never mind.

But he voted against the PATRIOT Act!!!!!!!!

Mini-Me
09-17-2010, 03:44 PM
From my POV, Obamacare is worse than the Patriot Act.

It very well may be, in the long run. It's certainly going to be harder to repeal if and when the bureaucracy actually gets to work. Of course, if only one Senator had voted against Obamacare during a time of otherwise unanimous consent, I think that Senator would hold a special place in my heart too, even if he was terrible on everything else. ;)

Jeremy
09-17-2010, 03:45 PM
But he voted against the PATRIOT Act!!!!!!!!

*cough*

He's even named after it...

McCain-Fiengold

low preference guy
09-17-2010, 03:46 PM
But he voted against the PATRIOT Act!!!!!!!!

Voting for McCain-Feingold makes him a disaster on civil liberties regardless of any other vote he takes.

oyarde
09-17-2010, 03:47 PM
From my POV, Obamacare is worse than the Patriot Act.

I probably lean that way too . It is my personality to hate the economic freedom things worse than anything . We all have our flaws . Now you know one of mine .

nate895
09-17-2010, 03:49 PM
Voting for McCain-Feingold makes him a disaster on civil liberties regardless of any other vote he takes.

I was using sarcasm to prove your point.

low preference guy
09-17-2010, 03:50 PM
I was using sarcasm to prove your point.

Oh. I should've noticed it.

Good to clarify anyway.

Kludge
09-17-2010, 03:52 PM
Voting for McCain-Feingold makes him a disaster on civil liberties regardless of any other vote he takes.

But supporting the PATRIOT Act doesn't?

I don't like Feingold, but he's a relatively good senator. His positions clearly aren't oriented toward libertarians, but in practice, they're nowhere near as devastating as Johnson's which will continue unnecessary and extraordinarily dangerous occupations.

Johnson doesn't even offer a decent alternative to ObamaCare. When he isn't attacking Obama, he's pandering to seniors declaring he'll fight for them to receive healthcare benefits by preserving Medicare and Social Security.

low preference guy
09-17-2010, 03:55 PM
But supporting the PATRIOT Act doesn't?

I don't like Feingold, but he's a relatively good senator. His positions clearly aren't oriented toward libertarians, but in practice, they're nowhere near as devastating as Johnson's which will continue unnecessary and extraordinarily dangerous occupations.

Johnson doesn't even offer a decent alternative to ObamaCare. When he isn't attacking Obama, he's pandering to seniors declaring he'll fight for them to receive healthcare benefits by preserving Medicare and Social Security.

Supporting the Patriot Act makes him a disaster on civil liberties as well.

It's a matter of deciding which is worse, and supporting Obamacare is worse from my POV. I don't hold anyone to the standard of eliminating Medicare and Social Security, and there is not even one senator or senate candidate (except Peter Schiff, who at least advocated means testing) who supports that. Not even Ron Paul supports eliminating them.

Stary Hickory
09-17-2010, 04:28 PM
Possibly goodbye to Feingold but we are stuck with McCain:(

His wretched cold neocon heart has to stop beating eventually. I will out live him.

specsaregood
09-17-2010, 04:35 PM
His wretched cold neocon heart has to stop beating eventually. I will out live him.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.
http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/john_mccain_do_not_struggle_young_one.jpg

oyarde
09-17-2010, 04:39 PM
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/john_mccain_do_not_struggle_young_one.jpg

The Mccain Vampire thing is pretty funny .

angelatc
09-17-2010, 05:43 PM
His wretched cold neocon heart has to stop beating eventually. I will out live him.

Dude, his MOM is still alive.

oyarde
09-17-2010, 05:46 PM
Dude, his MOM is still alive.

True , and she is still coherent and can carry on a conversation. Quite impressive really , how old is she ? 90 's ?

AdamT
09-17-2010, 06:23 PM
dude, his mom is still alive.

lol

Major_C_Natural
09-17-2010, 09:47 PM
Um... Audit the Fed, anyone? Did everyone forget he is one of the few allies in the Senate working against the Federal Reserve.

Also voted against the Frank-Dodd Financial reform bill and PATRIOT Act and is anti-war.

crazyfacedjenkins
09-18-2010, 04:30 AM
Feingold is clearly better than the neo con, the war and the fed are what's bankrupting us NOW!!!!

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RonPaulFanInGA
09-18-2010, 02:53 PM
Feingold is clearly better than the neo con, the war and the fed are what's bankrupting us NOW!!!!


Are we?

Russ Feingold...

Voted for the stimulus
Voted for Obamacare
Was one of the two big proprietors of McCain-Feingold anti-1st amendment act
Has a 'F' from the NRA and a 'F-' from the Gun Owners of America

A proven enemy of liberty vs. a guy who has never cast a single vote against our freedoms. An 18-year incumbent vs. a political newcomer. It's not even close.

ChaosControl
09-18-2010, 02:56 PM
Is Johnson any good?

Feingold at least gives the impression he isn't a complete corporatist. Is it really a good thing, especially if Johnson is a neocon?

crazyfacedjenkins
09-18-2010, 03:07 PM
Are we?

Russ Feingold...

Voted for the stimulus
Voted for Obamacare
Was one of the two big proprietors of McCain-Feingold anti-1st amendment act
Has a 'F' from the NRA and a 'F-' from the Gun Owners of America

A proven enemy of liberty vs. a guy who has never cast a single vote against our freedoms. An 18-year incumbent vs. a political newcomer. It's not even close.

Fair enough on Feingold, but this neo con liberty butcher is NOT any better. Classic "lesser evil" mistake. Just because the 200 lb mess looks better than the 300 lb slob, doesn't mean either lady is attractive. Vote 3rd party.

MRoCkEd
09-20-2010, 08:45 AM
I'm still not sure how I want this race to turn out. Yes, Feingold opposed the PATRIOT Act and the Iraq war... but he is awful on everything else...

Yet Johnson comes off as a moron.

Anyway, the reason I bumped this is because:

New PPP results for dkos, will post tomorrow -- Feingold down by double digits, MASSIVE intensity gap. W/o gap, it'd be tied race.

specsaregood
09-20-2010, 09:33 AM
Has a 'F' from the NRA and a 'F-' from the Gun Owners of America


LOL @ F freaking minus.

oyarde
09-20-2010, 11:28 AM
lol @ f freaking minus.

f - from me as well .

Justinjj1
09-20-2010, 12:07 PM
It will be a shame if this neocon clown beats Feingold. He's a liberal, but at least he is principled and is great on foreign policy, the fed, and civil liberty issues. As far as current senators go , I can't think of one that I like better than him.

RonPaulFanInGA
09-20-2010, 02:39 PM
I'm still not sure how I want this race to turn out. Yes, Feingold opposed the PATRIOT Act and the Iraq war... but he is awful on everything else...

Yet Johnson comes off as a moron.

Anyway, the reason I bumped this is because:

New PPP results for dkos, will post tomorrow -- Feingold down by double digits, MASSIVE intensity gap. W/o gap, it'd be tied race.

Woo-hoo!

Lose Feingold, lose!

Minuteman2012
09-20-2010, 02:50 PM
You can't trust any democrat, I learned that after Kucinich caved in on Corporatist Obamacare and Sanders gutted Ron Paul's Fed Audit bill. I am sure as hell not going to support Feingold, who supports funding the terror state of Israel, forcing us to buy private insurance, and gutting our first amendment rights. I would support the third party candidate here.

Depressed Liberator
09-20-2010, 03:23 PM
Fuck this R vs D shit. You guys are supposed to be above that.

I don't know this Johnson guy too well, but if what I have briefly read about him, he just sounds like a neocon. Fuck that. I don't particularly like Feingold, but I hate neocons more than anything.