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surf
09-15-2010, 03:10 PM
from Bruce Ramsey - an editorial writer for the Seattle Times that is libertarian -

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2012896747_bruce15.html

Pot heads toward legalization
Seattle Times editorial columnist Bruce Ramsey examines a strategic disagreement among activists who would legalize marijuana in the state of Washington.


By Bruce Ramsey

Seattle Times editorial columnist

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Marijuana is moving toward legalization. Fourteen states now allow it as medicine, which has changed people's view of it. The image of a user is no longer Cheech and Chong, but grandma.

"The states that were the first to legalize medical marijuana will be the first to legalize marijuana more broadly," predicts cannabis activist Ethan Nadelman of the Drug Policy Alliance.

Washington will be one of the first states. But how to do it? Legalizers don't agree.

Earlier this year the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington refused to support Initiative 1068. The ACLU supports legalization, but it wants regulations, and I-1068 didn't have any. It would have removed criminal penalties only. The ACLU's opposition curdled the initiative's fundraising, and it didn't make the ballot.

Last Sunday, the ACLU held a forum on legalization. Nadelman and others were here from Washington, D.C. Local organizers of I-1068 were not invited.

Their disagreement is not whether cannabis would be regulated. Of course it would be regulated. Like beer and wine, there would be rules about how it could be marketed, who could sell it and who could buy it. And it would be taxed — heavily.

Why leave the regs and taxes out of the ballot measure? Partly because initiatives are for simple questions. Details belong in the Legislature. The I-1068 folks, who call themselves Sensible Washington, had an additional reason.

Marijuana is illegal under federal law. If a state sets up a law permitting it, the feds can ask a federal court to throw that law out. The Obama administration could ask a court to throw out Washington's law permitting cannabis as medicine. It has chosen not to, but it could do it.

If Washington voters passed a law permitting cannabis as a consumer product, the feds would be inclined to attack it. And if that law also included repeal of criminal penalties, both could fall and the criminal penalties return.

And that, says Seattle attorney Douglas Hiatt, the head of Sensible Washington, is the reason to do repeal separately. Repeal, by itself, creates nothing to attack. It simply erases. The feds could still attack any regulations, but the repeal would stand.

Hiatt, who was a history major, discovered that's how the legalizers of alcohol did it 78 years ago. In November 1932, the people approved Initiative 61, which repealed all the state laws against alcohol. The rules and regulations came later, from the Legislature.

"It was a two-step process," Hiatt says. "And it was brilliant. It remains the only tried and true way to repeal prohibition."

Alison Holcomb, the ACLU's drug-policy director here, argues that legalization challenges the federal government no matter how it is done. The defensible position, she says, is "to set up a well-regulated system."

Hoclomb says "a broad coalition" plans to run a legalize-and-regulate cannabis initiative here in 2012.

Meanwhile, state Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles, D-Seattle, plans to introduce a bill in January that would protect medical users from arrest, which current law does not. Kohl-Welles wants full legalization, but she told Sunday's forum, "We have to address what's possible."

Hiatt thinks legalization is possible now, by popular initiative. He's planning to run I-1068 again, in 2011.

"We're not changing anything in the substance of the initiative," he says.

Bruce Ramsey's column appears regularly on editorial pages of The Times. His e-mail address is bramsey@seattletimes.com

surf
09-15-2010, 04:38 PM
self bump for Danno and Speciallyblend's comments

speciallyblend
09-15-2010, 05:03 PM
self bump for Danno and Speciallyblend's comments

haha;)^^^^ the more they regulate. The more folks will go back to the streets! F Regulations! Didn't need them when marijuana was illegal and won't need them either way! cheaper to get a marijuana ticket in colorado then a speeding ticket vrooom vrooom!!
i couldn't post what i really wanted to say;) i didn't want to be banned from rpf;)

regulations will only make sure the black market stays in business. The aclu and the regulations folks are dreaming!

All over a simple plant, kinda of laughable if it wasn't so serious! Our own government is more harmful then marijuana!!

oyarde
09-15-2010, 05:26 PM
haha;)^^^^ the more they regulate. The more folks will go back to the streets! F Regulations! Didn't need them when marijuana was illegal and won't need them either way! cheaper to get a marijuana ticket in colorado then a speeding ticket vrooom vrooom!!
i couldn't post what i really wanted to say;) i didn't want to be banned from rpf;)

regulations will only make sure the black market stays in business. The aclu and the regulations folks are dreaming!

All over a simple plant, kinda of laughable if it wasn't so serious! Our own government is more harmful then marijuana!!

Our own government is more harmful than Marijuana . That is an understatement . You need to go with something like " may be equivelent to battery acid " or something like that .

dannno
09-15-2010, 05:33 PM
If they want to setup a 'regulated' market, great, but lets see who participates and buys the super weak ass bud from Marlboro.. no, most people want the dank, and there will still be underground markets.. however cops won't be so focused on them because it will be too hard to distinguish between the legal and illegal markets. The important thing is to stop it from being a crime where you are sent to jail.

speciallyblend
09-15-2010, 05:53 PM
Our own government is more harmful than Marijuana . That is an understatement . You need to go with something like " may be equivelent to battery acid " or something like that .

need a bumper sticker along those lines , US GOV More Harmful Then Marijuana!! or
US GOV more Harmful Then Weed trying to figure how to make it shorter!

jkr
09-15-2010, 05:55 PM
YouTube - Cyndi Lauper - True Colors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPn0KFlbqX8)

LibertyVox
09-15-2010, 05:57 PM
If they want to setup a 'regulated' market, great, but lets see who participates and buys the super weak ass bud from Marlboro.. no, most people want the dank, and there will still be underground markets.. however cops won't be so focused on them because it will be too hard to distinguish between the legal and illegal markets. The important thing is to stop it from being a crime where you are sent to jail.

Also legit : Weed, Dope, Grass, ganja, giggle weed, Aunt Mary, Mary Jane, chronic, rego, wacky tobacky, bud, grass, pot, herb, trees, dope, indo, killaz, Smoke, dankity dank, diggety dank, purple kush, purp slurp, white widow, white rhino, cannabis, canny banny, left handed tobacco, sativa, blueberry yum-yum, AK47, bubonic, KDW (Kansas ditch weed). And "poke smot" is a spoonerism for "smoke pot." :):p;):D

LibertyVox
09-15-2010, 06:00 PM
Forgot: stressor and bluntman

CaseyJones
09-15-2010, 06:01 PM
Yes to Pot Legalization! No to Pot Corporatization! No to Pot Industrialization!! No to Pot Growers Unions!! If It Be Free Let Me Grow It In My Backyard!!!

oyarde
09-15-2010, 06:03 PM
Also legit : Weed, Dope, Grass, ganja, giggle weed, Aunt Mary, Mary Jane, chronic, rego, wacky tobacky, bud, grass, pot, herb, trees, dope, indo, killaz, Smoke, dankity dank, diggety dank, purple kush, purp slurp, white widow, white rhino, cannabis, canny banny, left handed tobacco, sativa, blueberry yum-yum, AK47, bubonic, KDW (Kansas ditch weed). And "poke smot" is a spoonerism for "smoke pot." :):p;):D

You could sell the "ditch weed " on a bumper sticker somehow and make them for each state .

LibertyVox
09-15-2010, 06:04 PM
Also forgot: Hasheesh, abba zaba, randy weed, the good root, the other maple....

speciallyblend
09-15-2010, 06:18 PM
Also forgot: Hasheesh, abba zaba, randy weed, the good root, the other maple....

another nickname making its rounds in Colorado" The Cheese",referring to kief smoked alone or on top of the dank making it dankier:)