Obama is not a socialist. Proof is that he chose to not nationalize banks.

[idirtify]

Orszag on CNN (Fareed Zacharia GPS): “Obama is not a socialist. Proof is that he chose to not nationalize banks.” (paraphrased)

Thoughts?

[bwlibertyman]

He has increased state control. Just because he just don't go all the way with the banks doesn't make him any less socialist.

[Stary Hickory]

The only reason he does not try to do HALF the stuff he would like is the reaction he knows he will get from the people. If there were no restraints on him I doubt we would have one ounce of liberty or freedom left.

I mean seriously people have got to get over this krap about the president being king. It's not so in this country and even REAL kings had to consider revolt and the will of the people. So many here have some crazy misconception that presidents are Gods and can do whatever they like.

Yes our presidents have behaved like Tyrants in the past and especially now, but that does not mean they can choose to do whatever they like.

[bwlibertyman]

Yeah I agree. I'm waiting for the day where the president will actually give some of his power away. They really do try to act like kings. Just because we vote for our leaders doesn't make them anymore moral or right. People with power will abuse it and they have time and time again.

[SevenEyedJeff]

The banks were already nationalized in 1913. :p

[fedup100]

The banks were already nationalized in 1913. :p

who owns the banks?

who owns wall streeet?

who owns the Federal Reserve?

Who controls (owns ) the fed gov?


The coup that took place with Bush and Hanky Panky when he handed Panky all the money in our treasury was the final take over of america by the nationalized banks..

They put Ali Bama in the white house he has no need to go there.

[awake]

Two ways to government control: One is simply to take it over in the midst of a crisis; the government makes all the decisions [nationalize]. Second, continuously and relentlessly write regulations, in the midst of low level crisis', slowly removing all private owner decisions and making which is laid out in the regulations the only acceptable course.

The second method leaves the outward appearance of private ownership with government decrees controlling every conceivable use of property [ National Socialist model]. This is the perfected method, as it can be claimed that so an so didn't out right nationalize the industry , he's not a socialist.

[RedStripe]

Obama isn't a socialist. He's trying to preserve the state-corporate partnership which is fundamentally unstable and unsustainable. A partnership that goes back much farther than 1913.

Here's one way to tell if a country is really becoming socialist: how are the rich doing? This isn't socialism. Chavez is a socialist, not a puppet of Wall Street like Obama.

[Kludge]

I thought Fascists wanted to nationalize the economy, not indirectly regulate it into submission. Don't Communists & Socialists always end up with an awful blend of Private/Public Corporatism like we have now?

[pcosmar]

Federal ? Reserve ?
FDIC ?
Federal regulations?

They have nothing to do with whether Obama is a socialist or not.

The country was socialized long before he was anointed.
income tax
social security
welfare
subsidized health and other industries
etc.etc.etc
:(

[JustinTime]

Federal ? Reserve ?
FDIC ?
Federal regulations?

They have nothing to do with whether Obama is a socialist or not.

The country was socialized long before he was anointed.
income tax
social security
welfare
subsidized health and other industries
etc.etc.etc
:(

You're absolutely right, except for one detail, it has everything to do with whether Obama is a socialist. It was all done long before he took office, but maintains what was done and adds a little more. Ergo, he cant be anything but a socialist.

[pcosmar]

You're absolutely right, except for one detail, it has everything to do with whether Obama is a socialist. It was all done long before he took office, but maintains what was done and adds a little more. Ergo, he cant be anything but a socialist.

And Bush (both of them) ?
HMOs
Medicare supplements
SPP ?
"Read my Lips"

"We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a new world order, a world where the rule of law, not the rule of the jungle, governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful, and we will be, we have a real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the U.N.'s founders."
President George Bush 1991
:(

[Sola_Fide]

Obama's Not A Socialist, But A Corporatist by Ron Paul:


http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul665.html

[Deft9]

As the first video on www.trueworldhistory.info explains, there are ultimately only two forms of government.... oligarchy (rule by a group) and republics (rule of law).

Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Plutocracy, Dictatorships, and Monarchies are all forms of oligarchy. Dictators don't rule alone. Anarchy is a transitional state that leads to the anarchist leaders emerging as the new oligarchy. Democracy also leads to oligarchy, as the will of the minority is silenced. Only the law protects everyone.

Call Obama a Communist, Socialist, whatever. Corporatist sounds appropriate. The Constitution does not authorize the Federal Government to do the things they do. The Federal Reserve has allowed the rise of a ruling class who used fraud to gain wealth and power. They keep picking away at the 2nd amendment. It's a bad situation all around.