SERIOUS trouble is imminent!

[tangent4ronpaul]

Our "beloved" gvmt is releasing a report today about how the they were slow to respond to the threat of "homegrown terrorism". They are going to have a pompous circus and fear mongering celebration over the release of this waste of tax dollars to be broadcast LIVE on C-SPAN at 10am.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that this means more civil rights stripped away, more surveillance and an expansion of the USASTAZI (aka DHS).

BAD NEWS! :(

-t

[newbitech]

Our "beloved" gvmt is releasing a report today about how the they were slow to respond to the threat of "homegrown terrorism". They are going to have a pompous circus and fear mongering celebration over the release of this waste of tax dollars to be broadcast LIVE on C-SPAN at 10am.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that this means more civil rights stripped away, more surveillance and an expansion of the USASTAZI (aka DHS).

BAD NEWS! :(

-t

sources would be nice

[tangent4ronpaul]

sources would be nice

Tune into C-SPAN at 10am EST - they just mentioned it. It's going to be broadcast live. about 20 min from now. They also stream it from c-span.org in case you don't have cable.

-t

[newbitech]

Tune into C-SPAN at 10am EST - they just mentioned it. It's going to be broadcast live. about 20 min from now. They also stream it from c-span.org in case you don't have cable.

-t

Ah duh,, sorry need some more coffee. cspan is slow on my net. No cable here.

must be this evolving terrorist threats piece they have a container for.

no vid yet hasn't aired, and took forever to load!

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/295404-1

[A. Havnes]

So, according to these clowns, what exactly constitutes as homegrown terrorists?

[Bruno]

So, according to these clowns, what exactly constitutes as homegrown terrorists?

Americans

[pcosmar]

So, according to these clowns, what exactly constitutes as homegrown terrorists?

Us.
see the MIAC Report.

to add. Haven't heard it yet, but tuned in

[Elwar]

The Republicans gave Bush a pass on spending and fiscal insanity because he's a Republican. The Democrats will give Obama a pass on the destruction of civil liberties because he's a Democrat.

[coastie]

Great...Thomas Keene/Lee Hamilton. Talking about "reassessing" the threat right now. "ways we may need to change as a nation to meet that threat"....WTF:mad::mad::mad:

I feel my TV might b in danger from flying objects if I continue watching this...


EDIT- I really wish I didnt run out of herb last night now....my heads about to explode just from the ball licking going on right now with just introductions...

[newbitech]

looking for the actual report

here it is



Assessing the Terrorist Threat 2010 Pdf File (http://bipartisanpolicy.org/sites/default/files/Final%20NSPG%20Threat%20Assessment%20Report%20Sept %202010%20report%20w%20cover.pdf)

[coastie]

Just fucking said it...."what we're seeing also is a big increase in American citizens themselves gravatating towards terrorism..." (paraphras)

[paulitics]

Quick summary so far.

Everyone is a threat. Homegrown is the biggest threat. American born citizens. Women a threat too, and blond hair blue eyes americans. The leadership is increaingly Americanized.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Why is this a surprise to any of you? How did Britain react to the secessionist colonists?

If this be treason than so be it.






“Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim - when he defends himself - as a criminal.”

[paulitics]

Everyone is a terrorist now. Now pitching for a new agency to "counter radicalization". A "panalopy" of threats. Be afraid!

[Danke]

Women a threat too, and blond hair blue eyes americans.

They have always been on my Watch List.

[newbitech]

From the Conclusion portion of the Report.


Persons of color and Caucasians have done so. Women along with men. Good students and well-educated individuals and high school dropouts and jailbirds. Persons born in the U.S. or variously in Afghanistan, Egypt, Pakistan, and Somalia. Teenage boys pumped up with testosterone and middle-aged divorcees. The only common denominator appears to be a newfound hatred for their native or adopted country, a degree of dangerous malleability, and a religious fervor justifying or legitimizing violence that impels these very impressionable and perhaps easily influenced individuals toward potentially lethal acts of violence.


The diversity of this array of recent terrorist recruits presents new challenges for intelligence and law enforcement agencies, already over-stressed and inundated with information and leads, to run these new threats to ground. There seems no longer any clear profile of a terrorist.


Moreover, the means through which many of these persons were radicalized -- over the Internet -- suggests that these days you can aspire to become a terrorist in the comfort of your own bedroom.


As the ranks of U.S. recruits have grown, the new frontlines have become the streets of Bridgeport, Denver, Minneapolis, and other big and small communities across America.


It is reckless to leave the task of combating terrorism only to the professionals when the changing nature of the threat requires that ordinary Americans play a larger support role in detecting and preventing terrorist activities.

[pcosmar]

This report will be used basically as an excuse to strip more rights from American citizens.
Freedom of speech, 2nd amendment, search and seizure, real ID, etc.etc.etc.
Oh yeah, the establishment of the Stazi mentality.
Everyone spy on your neighbors,,

:(

[Philhelm]

I play baseball, grill hot dogs, and read the bible by day. But at night...oh at night...I drill my way to the Earth's core so that I can unleash the greatest weapon to ever be seen by man!

Actually, in addition to the MIAC report, check out the DHS Report on Rightwing Extremism, as well as the Domestic Extremist Lexicon. In the Lexicon, it targeted Americans of both left and right leaning ideologies, giving a list of specific groups and ideologies, ranging from things such as PETA to pro-lifers. Curiously, there was no mention of Muslim-Americans in the list who may commit terrorists acts, despite the fact that we are supposedly at war with terrorism perpetrated by radical Muslims. Curious indeed.

[Elwar]

Everyone is a terrorist now.

We are all terrorists now.

Ich Bin Ein terroristisch

[jclay2]

Sounds like a reiteration of the MIAC report.

[newbitech]

Sounds like a reiteration of the MIAC report.


They are really focusing on the idea that the government can't control "the threat" and its up to the "American People" whatever that means, to stop terrorism themselves. Oh and the internet is bad, very bad!

[newbitech]

really bashing "the internet" wow.

[wizardwatson]

This thread confuses me. So C-Span is doing an expose' on this MIAC report?

Is this the report in question?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13290698/The-Modern-Militia-MovementMissouri-MIAC-Strategic-Report-20Feb09-

Looks kind of short and adolescent. If its less than 500 pages doesn't really seem like government material.

[newbitech]

This thread confuses me. So C-Span is doing an expose' on this MIAC report?

Is this the report in question?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13290698/The-Modern-Militia-MovementMissouri-MIAC-Strategic-Report-20Feb09-

Looks kind of short and adolescent. If its less than 500 pages doesn't really seem like government material.

I got a link up there ^^, this report just came out today.

[newbitech]

oh foreign policy question! Who is asking that nice question lady!

[wizardwatson]

I got a link up there ^^, this report just came out today.

Danka schoen, comrade. Didn't see that. :D

[pcosmar]

This thread confuses me. So C-Span is doing an expose' on this MIAC report?

Is this the report in question?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13290698/The-Modern-Militia-MovementMissouri-MIAC-Strategic-Report-20Feb09-

Looks kind of short and adolescent. If its less than 500 pages doesn't really seem like government material.

No. But keep MIAC in mind. It is still relevant.
This is a new report
This report is on the Governments' ineffectiveness at dealing with the "Terrorist Threat", and how to do MORE.
They are focusing the fear mongering on the General Public. to create a widespread fear and threat mentality.

[paulitics]

oh foreign policy question! Who is asking that nice question lady!

the guy dodged the question.

[newbitech]

the guy dodged the question.

yeah "we need more time".

Like 10 years haven't been enough? And again! The other guy said "they aren't their yet as far as recommendation for foreign policy."

"These types of questions don't help in the war on ideas!"

Wow!

Ron Paul summed it up. We just marched in, just march out! I mean really!

[wizardwatson]

No. But keep MIAC in mind. It is still relevant.
This is a new report
This report is on the Governments' ineffectiveness at dealing with the "Terrorist Threat", and how to do MORE.
They are focusing the fear mongering on the General Public. to create a widespread fear and threat mentality.

Seems like things are definitely ratcheting up, and I see this manufactured Islamophobia as a big part of that as well.

Feels like some "act" is close but I can never tell. Just seems like they wouldn't want to waste this opportunity as too much fear-mongering followed by long periods of peace builds up public immunity. Seems like a lot of coordinated "fomenting" lately though, I wonder whats in store.

[newbitech]

Just wanted to point out, that much of what was said about foreign policy and the justifications were white lies.

For instance, we didn't have troops in the middle east in 1998 when Bin Laden was blowing up our embassies.

Right, I guess we are not supposed to remember any of this.


Iraq (post-Gulf War)
Provide Comfort (1991-96) — security and humanitarian aid to Kurds in northern Iraq and No-Fly Zone North of 36°N over Iraq.
Airone (1991) — Italian codename for Operation Provide Comfort.
Southern Watch (1991-2003) — No-Fly Zone South of 33°N over Iraq.
Desert Strike (1996) — retaliation attacks on Iraq.
Northern Watch (1997-2003) — No-Fly Zone North of 36°N over Iraq
Desert Fox (1998) — bombing campaign on Iraqi targets

THIS is why the internet is so dangerous the establishment that is supposedly responsible for our foreign policy and how American's are projected over seas.

[Icymudpuppy]

You're forgetting our permanent bases in Kuwait (Arafjan) and Saudi Arabia (Sinai) which have been there at least since 1989.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Best question: Is this security theater or is it actually helping?
Runner up: about the root causes of terrorism - our foreign policy and mil bases all over the world. (the answer was give us millions more to write another report and UP THE DOMESTIC SPYING BY LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT!)

"There is a trade off between security and liberties"

VOMIT!

-t

[wizardwatson]

Reading the report from start to finish. About 25% done. So far just a history of Al-Qaeda, nothing about the threat from militias, internet yet.

[tangent4ronpaul]

The most encouraging thing about that dog and pony show is some of the questions the media had. They have become jaded and calling bull shit where they see it. I'm looking forward to the news articles about this today. I hope many will be anti-police state!

-t

[On Ice]

OMG! I'm watching it and Obama is doing the "point-with-his-fist" thing that Bush used to do!

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

[A. Havnes]

Lee Hamilton is speaking and making smacking sounds at the same time. You guys'll have to discuss what he said, I can't take that sound. Maybe he's nervous...

[Mahkato]

The real terrrrrist is the federal government. No other organization has been so effective in destroying America.

[Bruno]

OMG! I'm watching it and Obama is doing the "point-with-his-fist" thing that Bush used to do!

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Meet the New Boss. Same as the Old Boss.

[MRK]

We are all terrorists now.

Ich Bin Ein terroristisch

Sie haben "Ich bin Terrorist" gemeint. Wahrscheinlich haette Kennedy mindestens "Ich bin ein Terrorist" gesagt.

[Anti Federalist]

One of the most infuriating threads I've read.

*sigh*

"calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean".

[Cowlesy]

One of the most infuriating threads I've read.

*sigh*

"calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean".

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=260198

[Dojo]

One of the most infuriating threads I've read.

*sigh*

"calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean".

YouTube - Cool Change Little River Band (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bKwRW0l-Qk)

[tangent4ronpaul]

We should seriously get a bunch of "Domestic Terrorist Onboard" bumper stickers made and put um on our cars.

I've only found "Domestic Terrorist" ones for sale with some variations...

http://www.zazzle.com/domestic_terrorist_bumper_sticker-128322386058452601

http://www.zazzle.com/dt3_bumper_sticker-128563420710143887

http://www.zazzle.com/patriot_bumper_sticker-128668357512969888

http://www.zazzle.com/homeland_security_domestic_terrorist_bumper_sticke r-128725368223366222

-t

[wizardwatson]

Reading the report from start to finish. About 25% done. So far just a history of Al-Qaeda, nothing about the threat from militias, internet yet.

I read the whole report from beginning to end.

http://bipartisanpolicy.org/sites/default/files/Final%20NSPG%20Threat%20Assessment%20Report%20Sept %202010%20report%20w%20cover.pdf

I recommend everyone to read it, it was very unbiased and informative. Talks about the real terrorists and how they've changed their strategy since 9/11.

It does talk about homegrown terrorism and how people from all walks of life have joined the jihadists, but it talks specifically about actual people who have done so who were based in the US. Basically saying the "profile" of these American radicalized terrorists is no longer "poor kids from Pakistan" etc. Anyway, its a very good objective (and short) read.

With that said, I can imagine how all the talking heads are trying to dovetail this with the militias and "right to bear arms" gold-loving folks, but this is N-O-T in this report in any form whatsoever. So if you hear anyone trying to spin this in that direction it isn't from this report, and I'd advise anyone who thinks so to read it.

We need to stop demonizing law enforcement folks in general. Terrorists are real. Yeah, maybe there's an Al-CIAeda element at play but its not the default. There are real assholes in the world trying to recruit other assholes to blow themselves and others up, and this report speaks very accurately I believe on what their strategy is. I do believe there are forces that are trying to piggy-back there socialist/fascist agenda on the war on terrorism, but I don't think we should be directing our venom against the boots on the ground folks who are trying to find these criminals and bring them to justice.

We can debate all day about how drone attacks kill innocents, we shouldn't be "over there", this is all "blowback" etc., and we certainly should debate it. We should be figuring out how to fight and reduce crime here and in the global arena in a way that is consistent with justice. But we need to stop dismissing every player in the game because their actions, somewhere along the line in our reckoning of the chain of interactions, are not consistent with our concept of absolute justice. We should be trying to figure out how to guide all our actions toward justice, not throw the baby out with the bath water with this, "scrap it all and start over" mentality.

My $1.25

[wizardwatson]

Also, I learned three new words/sayings from the report.

feckless

Lacking purpose or vitality; feeble or ineffective. 2. Careless and irresponsible.

reconnoiter

scout: explore, often with the goal of finding something or somebody, To make a preliminary inspection of, especially in order to gather military information.

"Soup to nuts"

is an American English idiom conveying the meaning of "from beginning to end". It is derived from the description of a full course dinner, in which courses progress from soup to a dessert of nuts.

LOL, just thought I'd share. I'm very averse to not knowing any word/saying I come across.

[phill4paul]

These forums frikken kill me sometimes.:D


One of the most infuriating threads I've read.

*sigh*

"calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean".


YouTube - Cool Change Little River Band (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bKwRW0l-Qk)

[pcosmar]

I recommend everyone to read it, it was very unbiased and informative.
From who's point of view?
I listened to the talking heads, and the take away was,,
We need the citizens to spy on everyone, and report anything that makes them nervous.
Terrorists are everywhere.


Talks about the real terrorists and how they've changed their strategy since 9/11.

The ones in Washington DC?
Those are the only "terrorists" that concern me. I am being terrorized daily.

As far as folks in foreign countries fighting invading forces, or even the few that may come here,,,
Well,, I am a firm believer in self defense.

[BuddyRey]

These craven cry-babies won't be satisfied 'til they've turned this whole country into East Berlin.

[wizardwatson]

From who's point of view?
I listened to the talking heads, and the take away was,,
We need the citizens to spy on everyone, and report anything that makes them nervous.
Terrorists are everywhere.


The ones in Washington DC?
Those are the only "terrorists" that concern me. I am being terrorized daily.

As far as folks in foreign countries fighting invading forces, or even the few that may come here,,,
Well,, I am a firm believer in self defense.
Well from my point of view.

What I've watched/learned about the real terrorist threat, pretty much agrees with and is reinforced by this report.

The report doesn't say anything close to what people on this thread are getting from the talking heads on tv. I haven't seen any tv on this, I just read it, and like I said, I'm sure there are political opportunists who would use any study to paint the tea party types as potential terrorists. I'm saying that if they are saying that they are misrepresenting what is in the report.

The report says that actual people pledged and part of Al-Qaeda number less than 200. Also says that their have only been 14 actual American victims of Al-Qaeda attacks since 2001. However, it speaks to how the tactics of Al-Qaeda are more economic in nature. Killing people isn't as important as being in the media, and causing the US to waste money and manpower. Also says the WMD style attacks are highly unlikely in the future. There isn't any mention of militias, or libertarians, or anything like that. It's strictly focused on how the jihadists are actively trying to recruit and radicalize Americanized westerners into their organization because Americanized westerners don't fit the terrorist profile, and the whole intention is to cause the US to have a bloated over-compensating intelligence infrastructure, more than causing mass-death.

Get it? The report is saying that Al Qaeda wants things like the PATRIOT Act. It doesn't say we need things like the PATRIOT act. Mostly at the end of the report are open-ended questions. But the report itself is saying pretty much the opposite of what people on this thread are getting from the talking heads. The report says Al-Qaeda wants to cripple us economically and turn us into a police-state. If the talking heads are saying on tv that we need more money for intelligence and we need a bigger police state, then they are playing into the hands of what Al Qaeda wants according to this report. Read the report if you don't agree.


There are two components: One is economic; the other, operational. Al-Qaeda has rarely claimed it could or would defeat the U.S. militarily. Instead, it hopes to wear the United States down economically by forcing the U.S. to spend more on domestic security and remain involved in costly overseas military commitments. Given the current global economic downturn, this message arguably has greater resonance now with al-Qaeda’s followers and supporters, and perhaps even with recruits. The operational dimension seeks to flood already stressed intelligence and law enforcement agencies with “noise”: low-level threats from “lone wolves” and other jihadist “hangers-on.” This “low-hanging fruit” is designed to distract law enforcement and intelligence personnel from more serious terrorist operations, allowing such plots to go unnoticed beneath the radar and thereby succeed.

Anyway, I'm not defending what anyone on tv is saying in relation to this study, but I do think the study is a valuable resource for anyone who actually wants to read it.

But few people read, they like tv.

[oyarde]

Lee Hamilton is speaking and making smacking sounds at the same time. You guys'll have to discuss what he said, I can't take that sound. Maybe he's nervous...

Whatever he is saying is something he probably just made up yesterday for his newspaper column .

[newbitech]

Well from my point of view.

What I've watched/learned about the real terrorist threat, pretty much agrees with and is reinforced by this report.

The report doesn't say anything close to what people on this thread are getting from the talking heads on tv. I haven't seen any tv on this, I just read it, and like I said, I'm sure there are political opportunists who would use any study to paint the tea party types as potential terrorists. I'm saying that if they are saying that they are misrepresenting what is in the report.

The report says that actual people pledged and part of Al-Qaeda number less than 200. Also says that their have only been 14 actual American victims of Al-Qaeda attacks since 2001. However, it speaks to how the tactics of Al-Qaeda are more economic in nature. Killing people isn't as important as being in the media, and causing the US to waste money and manpower. Also says the WMD style attacks are highly unlikely in the future. There isn't any mention of militias, or libertarians, or anything like that. It's strictly focused on how the jihadists are actively trying to recruit and radicalize Americanized westerners into their organization because Americanized westerners don't fit the terrorist profile, and the whole intention is to cause the US to have a bloated over-compensating intelligence infrastructure, more than causing mass-death.

Get it? The report is saying that Al Qaeda wants things like the PATRIOT Act. It doesn't say we need things like the PATRIOT act. Mostly at the end of the report are open-ended questions. But the report itself is saying pretty much the opposite of what people on this thread are getting from the talking heads. The report says Al-Qaeda wants to cripple us economically and turn us into a police-state. If the talking heads are saying on tv that we need more money for intelligence and we need a bigger police state, then they are playing into the hands of what Al Qaeda wants according to this report. Read the report if you don't agree.



Anyway, I'm not defending what anyone on tv is saying in relation to this study, but I do think the study is a valuable resource for anyone who actually wants to read it.

But few people read, they like tv.

I was watching live the announcement of the release of the report. I posted up a few quotes from the conclusion section a few threads up. I think we were commenting on the words explaining this report coming from the horses mouth. No bobble heads interjecting.

The report is certainly not as intense or focused on a specific profile, like militia, free staters, constitutionalist, people with Ron Paul bumper stickers, or poor pakistanis.

Nah, now they just flat come out and say it, anyone can be a terrorist and probably is. They are telling us that they are incapable of handling this "threat", and in fact we'd be wreck-less to leave it up to "only" them.

This tells me that now the government is no longer locked in, they are on seek mode. Like an errant torpedo, or sidewinder heat sinker.

[oyarde]

Also, I learned three new words/sayings from the report.

feckless

Lacking purpose or vitality; feeble or ineffective. 2. Careless and irresponsible.

reconnoiter

scout: explore, often with the goal of finding something or somebody, To make a preliminary inspection of, especially in order to gather military information.

"Soup to nuts"

is an American English idiom conveying the meaning of "from beginning to end". It is derived from the description of a full course dinner, in which courses progress from soup to a dessert of nuts.

LOL, just thought I'd share. I'm very averse to not knowing any word/saying I come across.

Feckless = congress . People do not use reconnoiter , it is just abbreviated to recon .

[QueenB4Liberty]

Sounds like a reiteration of the MIAC report.

Nah, the report itself is talking about future Islamic Jihadists. Although some could be Caucasian, it isn't as troubling as I thought it would be. The MIAC report was troubling.

[tangent4ronpaul]

I watched the "ball licking" session. and I saw exerts from the repoort po\ted. It is NOT OBJECTIVE! It is so REPULSIVE that I have no interest in reading the whole thing.

It brings serious questions about one members postings....! And their alliances.

-t

[wizardwatson]

I watched the "ball licking" session. and I saw exerts from the repoort po\ted. It is NOT OBJECTIVE! It is so REPULSIVE that I have no interest in reading the whole thing.

It brings serious questions about one members postings....! And their alliances.

-t

You're right, there isn't enough fear-mongering and divisiveness being spread by the media and those who are funding them, lets do it here at RPF as well.