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DjLoTi
09-03-2010, 12:59 AM
YouTube - Government - BP - Poisoning Us In Gulf Of Mexico (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j87L5QKy2ms&feature=player_embedded)

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2ND OIL RIG EXPLOSION IN THE GULF: What's the difference? (http://www.seattlepi.com/business/1310ap_us_gulf_rig_explosion_differences.html?sour ce=rss)

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Naples-area water testing shows “chemical compounds that can only come from Corexit 9527″ (AUDIO)" (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/naples-area-water-testing-shows-chemical-compounds-that-can-only-come-from-corexit-9527)

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"...for the first time blood tests on sickened humans have shown signs of exposure to high levels of toxic chemicals related to crude oil and dispersants.

Some of the individuals tested have not been on the beaches, were not involved in any cleanup operations or in the Gulf water — they simply live along the Gulf Coast." [SOURCE] (http://oilspillaction.com/no-safe-harbor-on-gulf-coast-human-blood-tests-show-dangerous-levels-of-toxic-exposure)

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Meanwhile, BP spends $100 million... on ads. (http://oilspillaction.com/bp-paid-nearly-100-million-for-ads)

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CURRENT PHOTOS:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs293.snc4/40984_1375678436604_1371128066_30860643_2463256_n. jpg
Today....Sept. 2. 2010...shoreline of Grand Isle @ Laura Ln area.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs430.snc4/47275_1375665076270_1371128066_30860635_238291_n.j pg
Grand Isle, 2010 on "open the public" section of the beach. (Laura Ln area)
This stretched out as far as the eye could see!

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs410.snc4/47350_1375666196298_1371128066_30860636_3774585_n. jpg
Grand Isle, a close up pic!

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs155.ash2/41113_1375680356652_1371128066_30860652_7901037_n. jpg
Another.....with oil strands.....at shoreline
And again.....it was this way along the shore for as far as the eye can see....

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs625.snc4/58490_1375666676310_1371128066_30860637_3913027_n. jpg
Another.....

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs311.ash2/59184_1375678836614_1371128066_30860644_4952418_n. jpg
Another....

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs405.snc4/46822_1375685876790_1371128066_30860707_2974279_n. jpg
Another....
this one looks like some sort of powdered form...

Indy Vidual
09-03-2010, 01:20 AM
Ewwwww :eek:
Supposedly the scene is almost 100% totalitarian down there. Aren't reporters being severely restricted, barred, blocked, muzzled, threatened, etc?

// Edit: Yes, the video seems to verify the above.

erowe1
09-03-2010, 05:26 AM
Doesn't look so bad to me.

DjLoTi
09-03-2010, 11:08 AM
bump

DjLoTi
09-03-2010, 11:33 AM
Doesn't look so bad? Crazy. There are like 2 things that rile my emotions to the level that the destruction of the gulf does. 1 - the murder of our troops overseas, and the terror they experience in war, and 2 - the prospect of Ron Paul becoming president, ending the wars, the bailouts, and bringing out country back to our roots

As I watched this video for the first time last night, I started tearing up. Gregg Hall, the man in the video, is not a conspiracy theorist. He is a regular AMERICAN who lives on Pcola beach. That is is HOME, and if I lived there, I would be out there every day, taking video, photographing, and probably SCREAMING for help....

WHY IS NO ONE SERIOUSLY BOTHERED BY WHAT IS GOING ON??? IS IT SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE ON THE GULF COAST??? THIS IS HAPPENING INSIDE OUR BORDERS!!!

I'm fully convinced there is a war of information and power being waged against American citizens in reference to the gulf oil spill.... VERY disturbing.....

NiceGoing
09-03-2010, 11:42 AM
Bump!

erowe1
09-03-2010, 01:01 PM
Doesn't look so bad? Crazy. There are like 2 things that rile my emotions to the level that the destruction of the gulf does. 1 - the murder of our troops overseas, and the terror they experience in war, and 2 - the prospect of Ron Paul becoming president, ending the wars, the bailouts, and bringing out country back to our roots

As I watched this video for the first time last night, I started tearing up. Gregg Hall, the man in the video, is not a conspiracy theorist. He is a regular AMERICAN who lives on Pcola beach. That is is HOME, and if I lived there, I would be out there every day, taking video, photographing, and probably SCREAMING for help....

WHY IS NO ONE SERIOUSLY BOTHERED BY WHAT IS GOING ON??? IS IT SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE ON THE GULF COAST??? THIS IS HAPPENING INSIDE OUR BORDERS!!!

I'm fully convinced there is a war of information and power being waged against American citizens in reference to the gulf oil spill.... VERY disturbing.....

Gregg Hall is probably used to red tides already. The difference between this and those is that this isn't as bad or as harmful, and it's a one-time thing that won't last very long.

DjLoTi
09-03-2010, 01:04 PM
erowe1... I would love for you to speak to Gregg Hall... He would whip you out of your fantasy land QUICK.

You are not living in reality my friend! This is NOT NORMAL BY ANY MEANS MAN!!!!

erowe1
09-03-2010, 01:08 PM
erowe1... I would love for you to speak to Gregg Hall... He would whip you out of your fantasy land QUICK.

You are not living in reality my friend! This is NOT NORMAL BY ANY MEANS MAN!!!!

I didn't say it was normal. I said it was a one time thing that won't last very long. Red tides are normal, and they're worse than this.

DjLoTi
09-03-2010, 01:12 PM
Gregg Hall is probably used to red tides already. The difference between this and those is that this isn't as bad or as harmful, and it's a one-time thing that won't last very long.

Me
"Gregg Hall is probably used to red tides already. The difference between this and those is that this isn't as bad or as harmful, and it's a one-time thing that won't last very long."
If you care to respond, I'll c/p your reply
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=259375
14:07Gregg
Is that what someone posted?
14:07Me
yea
14:07Gregg
know nothings
Where do they get the idea that this isn't worse than red tide and that it won't last longer?
Red tides are of limited duration and only affect certain fish
I've never seen dead sharks from red tide
Also, the dispersant and hydrocarbons have already been found in shrimp and crabs on the coast, so it is now in the food chain
14:10Gregg
in addition a large portion, if not the majority of the plankton, phytoplankton, zooplankton, krill, etc have been killed
14:11Me
thanks gregg, i will c/p your response. I am trying to help spread the word. I wish I could be out there with you helping. I have experience in citizen journalism.
14:11Gregg
they have wiped out the ecosystem from the bottom up - we won't see the real impact for years

So apparently Gregg disagrees with you, lol

a-texan
09-03-2010, 02:35 PM
As a former Galveston island resident this is very dear to my heart having grown up around the gulf. I do not think people realize how serious this oil spill and assorted toxins are to the residents and the sea life. I read the New Orleans paper daily about the oil spill and reports from Florida Oil Spill Law.

Just the other day one site reported that oysters were good to eat and now 80-90% oysters are reported dead in a Mississippi bay. You are not even suppose to eat oysters in hot weather. What is up with these people. Why was fishing, shirmping, crabing, and oystering even reopened by state wildlife departments with a reduction in the seafood population. Would not they normally be closed as to have a chance to recover?

There have been reports in Florida that folks have found Coreix in their swimming pool and come down with rashes and digestive track illness. Other reports of people working concessions on the opened and clean beaches getting oil in their hair from the sea breeze.

My thoughts and prayers are with you on the gulf coast. May in His time, may the Creator heal the waters. I do no believe man has the brain, pocketbook, or deisre to.

erowe1
09-03-2010, 04:40 PM
Me
"Gregg Hall is probably used to red tides already. The difference between this and those is that this isn't as bad or as harmful, and it's a one-time thing that won't last very long."
If you care to respond, I'll c/p your reply
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=259375
14:07Gregg
Is that what someone posted?
14:07Me
yea
14:07Gregg
know nothings
Where do they get the idea that this isn't worse than red tide and that it won't last longer?
Red tides are of limited duration and only affect certain fish
I've never seen dead sharks from red tide
Also, the dispersant and hydrocarbons have already been found in shrimp and crabs on the coast, so it is now in the food chain
14:10Gregg
in addition a large portion, if not the majority of the plankton, phytoplankton, zooplankton, krill, etc have been killed
14:11Me
thanks gregg, i will c/p your response. I am trying to help spread the word. I wish I could be out there with you helping. I have experience in citizen journalism.
14:11Gregg
they have wiped out the ecosystem from the bottom up - we won't see the real impact for years

So apparently Gregg disagrees with you, lol

The amount of oil that spilled out in the entire spill was less than one one-billionth of the volume of the Gulf of Mexico. So, yes, it's in the food chain in amounts less than one part per billion on average, an amount that will decrease over time. And the dispersants are much less than that. Let your friend know that it didn't wipe out any ecosystem for years to come. It didn't kill a majority of the plankton, phytoplankton, zooplankton, or krill. And the ones it did kill will be replaced as their populations grow back to their pre-spill equillibria by this time next year. So he can start resting easy now.

forsmant
09-03-2010, 04:43 PM
whats it supposed to look like?

DjLoTi
09-03-2010, 04:45 PM
So erowe1, exactly how much time have you been studying the gulf oil spill? Do you have a science background? How many people do you know that have studied the spill? Can you name any scientists that you have talked to? Can you please share your links?

Otherwise, stop talking nonsense

DjLoTi
09-03-2010, 04:48 PM
whats it supposed to look like?

All of the foam is unnatural. From the videos (that I have seen before), it is constantly foaming, or sometimes it's more like a fizz, like soda. It is 'dissolving' the oil.

However, corexit is super toxic, and I wouldn't be surprised to see more and more reports about sickness and other serious health and environmental issues.

I'll try to keep up with the continual coverage

ninepointfive
09-03-2010, 04:48 PM
wow. what a shame. I also cant believe erowe thinks this is all fine and dandy.

erowe1
09-03-2010, 04:51 PM
So erowe1, exactly how much time have you been studying the gulf oil spill? Do you have a science background? How many people do you know that have studied the spill? Can you name any scientists that you have talked to? Can you please share your links?

Otherwise, stop talking nonsense

My bachelors is in Civil and Environmental Engineering. I haven't talked to any scientists about the spill. It became obvious to me early on that all the sensationalism about it was hyped up, so I haven't followed it closely since then.

But when it comes to math, it is what it is. You don't have to get some scientist's imprimatur on it for it not to be nonsense. The Gulf of Mexico is over 600 quadrillion gallons of water, meaning that an amount of oil less than 600 million gallons is less than one one-billionth of its volume. That's not nonsense, it's something anyone can verify.

ninepointfive
09-03-2010, 04:57 PM
My bachelors is in Civil and Environmental Engineering. I haven't talked to any scientists about the spill. It became obvious to me early on that all the sensationalism about it was hyped up, so I haven't followed it closely since then.

But when it comes to math, it is what it is. You don't have to get some scientist's imprimatur on it for it not to be nonsense. The Gulf of Mexico is over 600 Quadrillion gallons of water, meaning that an amount of oil less than 600 million gallons is less than one one-billionth of its volume. That's not nonsense, it's something anyone can verify.

Looks like that beach is currently 100% covered in nasty pollutants.

erowe1
09-03-2010, 05:01 PM
Looks like that beach is currently 100% covered in nasty pollutants.

So that's just that much of the oil that isn't elsewhere and that won't wash up there in the future. Obviously you can find places where it's concentrated and others where there's none at all. But it didn't even look that bad to me. That looks like most lakes I've been to.

DjLoTi
09-03-2010, 05:04 PM
I'm sure I'll be back here in a week or 2, with updated stories, pictures, and videos, on how the beaches and the wildlife and people along the gulf coast are still struggling immensely, even months after the oil well was 'capped'..

also, the ENTIRE GULF OF MEXICO is NOT affected! It is the US GULF COAST which is primarily affected. Your numbers and conclusions are far too broad and general to accurately depict the situation in the gulf

and, corexit is toxic anywhere from 1-100 ppm, depending on the species of fish. Add that information with the sudden dissapearance of substantial wildlife in the gulf, and it is not a far reach to conclude we are eliminating our species at an alarming rate.

E - did you see the reports about people being reported sick? And you're still saying this is not a big deal? Seriously man, wake up!

Anti Federalist
09-03-2010, 05:20 PM
Looks like Grand Isle has always looked, as far as I'm concerned.


CURRENT PHOTOS:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs293.snc4/40984_1375678436604_1371128066_30860643_2463256_n. jpg
Today....Sept. 2. 2010...shoreline of Grand Isle @ Laura Ln area.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs430.snc4/47275_1375665076270_1371128066_30860635_238291_n.j pg
Grand Isle, 2010 on "open the public" section of the beach. (Laura Ln area)
This stretched out as far as the eye could see!

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs410.snc4/47350_1375666196298_1371128066_30860636_3774585_n. jpg
Grand Isle, a close up pic!

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs155.ash2/41113_1375680356652_1371128066_30860652_7901037_n. jpg
Another.....with oil strands.....at shoreline
And again.....it was this way along the shore for as far as the eye can see....

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs625.snc4/58490_1375666676310_1371128066_30860637_3913027_n. jpg
Another.....

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs311.ash2/59184_1375678836614_1371128066_30860644_4952418_n. jpg
Another....

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs405.snc4/46822_1375685876790_1371128066_30860707_2974279_n. jpg
Another....
this one looks like some sort of powdered form...

Anti Federalist
09-03-2010, 05:26 PM
and, corexit is toxic anywhere from 1-100 ppm, depending on the species of fish.

That is not true based on the MSDS for this product.

http://lmrk.org/corexit_9500_uscueg.539287.pdf

It is a relatively mild surfactant/degreaser with a health risk rating of 1 (slight).

The LD50 doses on marine life tested are, literally, millions of times higher than 100 PPM levels.

DjLoTi
09-03-2010, 05:35 PM
http://www.iosc.org/papers/00020.pdf

1 - I've heard they're using 9527, not 9500

2 - it would appear it is not as toxic as i said (1ppm) but is clearly much more toxic then you said as well, such as scallops (200 ppm), early life stages of fish, mollusks, and crustaceans (1.6-100ppm), ect ect ect

DjLoTi
09-03-2010, 05:42 PM
btw it is really amazing how i have to break it down, and some of you guys still just do not care

It's like caring for the environment means your a tree-hugging socialist or something. But it's not everyone. I'm glad some of you guys care and realize the scope of this tragedy

Anti Federalist
09-03-2010, 06:45 PM
http://www.iosc.org/papers/00020.pdf

1 - I've heard they're using 9527, not 9500

2 - it would appear it is not as toxic as i said (1ppm) but is clearly much more toxic then you said as well, such as scallops (200 ppm), early life stages of fish, mollusks, and crustaceans (1.6-100ppm), ect ect ect

The MSDS for Corexit 9527 has similar results.

Both were used.

http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/posted/2931/Corexit_EC9527A_MSDS.539295.pdf

The tiny amounts of dispersant used, when compared to the volume of sea water that they were introduced into, is insignificant.


btw it is really amazing how i have to break it down, and some of you guys still just do not care

It's like caring for the environment means your a tree-hugging socialist or something. But it's not everyone. I'm glad some of you guys care and realize the scope of this tragedy

Ok, let's assume we all "care" about, what amounts to, a bad industrial accident, one that government will use to increase it's grip and control over people.

How should we manifest that "caring"?

I spend half my life in that environment every year, and have been "on the ground" since day one, and the overblown reports of what was happening never even closely resembled the reality.

forsmant
09-03-2010, 07:07 PM
anybody got a pic before the disaster?

Anti Federalist
09-03-2010, 11:44 PM
anybody got a pic before the disaster?

Couple of pics of Grand Isle beaches at this blog, from 2008.

Most of the pictures were taken in Florida

http://www.louisianasharkfishing.com/

http://www.tx-sharkfishing.com/photoalbum/albums/userpics/Grand_Isle%2C_La_Oct_18_2008_010.jpg

specsaregood
09-04-2010, 12:00 AM
btw it is really amazing how i have to break it down, and some of you guys still just do not care

It's like caring for the environment means your a tree-hugging socialist or something. But it's not everyone. I'm glad some of you guys care and realize the scope of this tragedy

There is a difference between "do not care" and not buying into fear mongering alarmism. I've lived in a few different places around the gulf and nothing in those pictures looks particularly surprising. On the subject of red tides, I've seen red tides kill all sorts of sea critters and it ain't no fun for humans to breath the air around them either.

Vessol
09-04-2010, 12:04 AM
Considering how much the mainstream media pushed the fear mongering in the Gulf, complete with Anderson Cooper going all "tough", that's when I shut out and realized it was all a joke.

eOs
09-04-2010, 12:14 AM
YouTube - Fresh Oil On Orange Beach Behind Holiday Inn Express August 17 2010 730 PM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAZ26KdcI0)

DjLoTi
09-04-2010, 08:48 AM
Roger. Next time I post, be it a week or two, and I post more stories about people being poisoned, government and BP corruption, scores of wildlife missing, ect., I'll be sure to put a disclaimer: "please, do not be alarmed. This is just another normal day in the gulf"

And hopefully, you people who are anti-alarmed about the situation, can stay off my topic, and not try to degenerate my concern into your casual apathy

Funny thing is, MSM is completely failing in covering the gulf crisis. I guess you guys think the crisis is over, yeah? It's not. There has been a massive cover up.

And who else is posting about the gulf? Are you guys just so sick of hearing about it that you shoot everything down that's about the gulf?

Sad... state of affairs, this place.

Anti Federalist
09-04-2010, 11:40 AM
Roger. Next time I post, be it a week or two, and I post more stories about people being poisoned, government and BP corruption, scores of wildlife missing, ect., I'll be sure to put a disclaimer: "please, do not be alarmed. This is just another normal day in the gulf"

And hopefully, you people who are anti-alarmed about the situation, can stay off my topic, and not try to degenerate my concern into your casual apathy

Funny thing is, MSM is completely failing in covering the gulf crisis. I guess you guys think the crisis is over, yeah? It's not. There has been a massive cover up.

And who else is posting about the gulf? Are you guys just so sick of hearing about it that you shoot everything down that's about the gulf?

Sad... state of affairs, this place.

**sigh**

I'm the first to jump on a conspiracy, they happen all the time.

The conspiracy here is not that this is an end of the world as we know it situation that has been covered up, but, just the opposite, the hype and the drumbeats of the media blew up a bad situation into an insane one. I've been as close as humanly possible to this thing since day one, and you talk about getting shouted down. I've tried, from day one to provide some close, first hand accounts and got called a corporate stooge and a shill and everything in between.

"They" want that to happen, not because "they" care about seals and dolphins and birds, but because "they" want even more people put out of work, dependent on government and want one of the last domestic sources of critical oil shut down, therefore making the US entirely reliant on foreign sources.

Sources that will have to be kept in check by military force, don't you know?

DjLoTi
09-04-2010, 12:12 PM
Honestly, I don't even know what the MSM has been saying because I don't even have television access. Everything information-wise I can find on the internet.

If you want to ease my anger, show me pictures of wildlife. I've heard that nearly all of the wildlife in the oil spill area has been eliminated. I think Gregg is right - we won't know the impact for years.

This has nothing to do with the outrage I feel for the corporate and government collusion, including the local AND federal government. Including my concern for the health of our AMERICANS

So, I care for both the wildlife and our Americans, and I am concerned about the corporate-government collusion. If you want to ease my concern, get on a boat and take pictures of some dolphins, or other living creatures in the sea. I'm almost under the impression that the wildlife has had a enormous impact, not much unlike the 80-90% of the oysters dead.

With no oysters, there is no food for other animals. It is a butterfly effect. Oysters are not the only species affected. That is just 1 example of 1 species in the Mississippi Bay, in one of the richest habitat areas in our country (the Mississippi Delta).

Who knows and who cares about what the MSM has to say. I am pretty ENRAGED and LIVID and FRIGHTENED about this situation, and now BP says they can't pay damages unless we let them drill (HAH!!!)

And what's also nearly equally entertaining is how people seem to think oil is some 'end-all be-all' resource. We do not need oil, it is a scam and a corporate monopoly on technology. It can pretty much be said that the entire Gulf of Mexico (including all oil spills, not just the latest and largest one in history) were pretty much caused for nothing. All of the death is for useless oil. Ya that can make me upset some times